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I just watched the press conference of Shaun Tait. He was downright rude to some of the journalists and also didn't give proper in-depth responses to genuinely good questions.

He also stated that he is very satisfied with his performance as bowling coach. He needs a reality check if he thinks he is doing well.

My issue more is with his attitude and lack of insight. If he is acting like this in a press conference, how would he communicate with the bowlers and what would he be teaching them?
 
I noticed his body language, looks fed up. Probably not enjoying being in Pakistan and I don't blame him.
 
As I said during the T20 World Cup, Tait is completely disinterested & PCB is also not giving him any importance.

Both parties are simply waiting for the contract to expire. Tait would want to leave today but PCB is in no mood to pay him off.

Appointing him was a disastrous move by Ramiz. He is obsessed with Australians. Tait has zero credentials as coach & on top of that, he was a poor bowler in Test cricket.
 
A journalist asked Tait about what he sees the chances of Pakistan"s survival in this match are? And he replied simply yes.
 
Sher Khan said:
I just watched the press conference of Shaun Tait. He was downright rude to some of the journalists and also didn't give proper in-depth responses to genuinely good questions.

He also stated that he is very satisfied with his performance as bowling coach. He needs a reality check if he thinks he is doing well.

My issue more is with his attitude and lack of insight. If he is acting like this in a press conference, how would he communicate with the bowlers and what would he be teaching them?
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He gave a good answer to a well-known idiot in that presser.

If our journos don't have the basic etiquettes of asking questions then they deserve what he gave them.
 
Absolutely disasterous appointment. Our fast bowling stocks in test cricket have fallen to an all time low under him. Waqar had a better output with roughly the same bowlers. He should be let go the first thing the NZ tour is over.
 
Tait doesn't have much coaching experience. I also do not think his type of personality suits coaching.

Even during his playing days, he wasn't anything special. He only had pace.
 
Poor appointment by Ramiz - never made sense.

While our journalists are the most toxic beings, there is no way Tait can say that he's satisfied with our fast bowlers - horrible response from him.
 
Well we had waqar, but posters had issues with him so...

Foreign coaches enjoy karo
 
Snowflake said:
Poor appointment by Ramiz - never made sense.

While our journalists are the most toxic beings, there is no way Tait can say that he's satisfied with our fast bowlers - horrible response from him.
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He has said before that he is sent in whenever Pakistan do badly.

Saqlain should have come today given that its possible that we will lose the series tomorrow.
 
Shaun Tait speaking in the presser:

"It cannot happen that the fast bowlers can play all three formats consistently. It's too much cricket. Obviously, we are aware of that. It's gonna be an important year for Pakistan now with a couple of tournaments towards the end of the year. So management of the fast bowlers is gonna be critical."

"Yeah, I suppose. It was quite good to watch for an hour. Some chances were being created, but we did not get them. It hasn't been easy to get those consistent breakthroughs. It would be nice to get two or three in a row, but it's not the kind of wicket where you come and take three in a row. It's not easy."
 
Difficult to judge Shaun Tait as coach based on what he has to work with. I mean he was also the coach when Pakistan's bowling was giving batsmen nightmares at the World T20.

PAK just don't have the bowlers for this format. As simple as that.
 
Taits attitude is because of 2 things.

1. Pakistani journalist ask obvious questions. They ask questions to which you know what the answer is gonna be. Like asking, do you think you can win tomr, offcourse the guy is gonna say yes we will, he is not gonna say no.

2. Too much scrutiny by PCB. If a person says hoow he feels, the media would go crazy, the fans would go crazy and than the PCB will react.

The coaches or the players dont really have the freedom to say anything, football gives more leverage...

Anyways, i often found talking to the press useless as Pakistani players or management isnt allowed to talk freely.

Thus, taits frustration is understandable.
 
Was this a slightly unorthodox appointment?

I am not aware of Tait having any strong coaching credentials prior to this post.
 
I would like Tait to carry on just for his hilarious press conferences
 
James said:
Was this a slightly unorthodox appointment?

I am not aware of Tait having any strong coaching credentials prior to this post.
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Yes, he has no credentials plus he wasn't even a regular for the Australian team. Played a grand total of 3 Tests and I think not even 50 white ball games.

There are some excellent bowling coaches in Australia like Troy Cooley who have worked with the senior and state teams so don't know why Ramiz preferred Tait. And now he cries that a Test cricketer has been replaced as chairman by a journalist who has no idea on cricket.
 
Last year Bangladesh had appointed Allan Donald and we preferred Tait. That shows why our cricket is in such a mess. From the top of the management to players....all are jokers.
 
MenInG said:
Shaun Tait speaking in the presser:

"It cannot happen that the fast bowlers can play all three formats consistently. It's too much cricket. Obviously, we are aware of that. It's gonna be an important year for Pakistan now with a couple of tournaments towards the end of the year. So management of the fast bowlers is gonna be critical."
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So why are the likes of Nasim Shah being picked in every format when he is already injury prone.
 
You need different type of bowlers. Express bowlers who bowl short spells and bowl less overs. One seamer who is economical and hold end for long periods. Another one is a good new ball bowler or reverse swing bowler who can bowl longer spells. That express bowler cannot be used for load sharing. That will dissipate the effectiveness of suc bowlers in the long run.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
You need different type of bowlers. Express bowlers who bowl short spells and bowl less overs. One seamer who is economical and hold end for long periods. Another one is a good new ball bowler or reverse swing bowler who can bowl longer spells. That express bowler cannot be used for load sharing. That will dissipate the effectiveness of suc bowlers in the long run.
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TBH this plan sounds well and good. England knew this was the Pakistani team management plan hence why they went after the likes of Mohammad Ali which is why the captain had no choice but to keep Naseem going.

Similarly Mir Hamza, Hasan Ali have both been totally ineffective against NZ in terms of getting wickets and keeping the runs under control therefore Naseem had to be persisted with.

Naseem has also not been helped by an ineffective Abrar. Pakistan seriously needs to get serious about its bowling stocks.

The likes of Shaheen, Naseem, Hasnain, Wasim Jr, Dhani need to be taken out of international T-20 matches and need to play domestic 4 day tournaments. Give them around 2-3 T-20 leagues per year but thats about it. Compensate them for missing out on international T-20 games. Preserve these guys for test cricket.
 
Savak said:
Absolutely disasterous appointment. Our fast bowling stocks in test cricket have fallen to an all time low under him. Waqar had a better output with roughly the same bowlers. He should be let go the first thing the NZ tour is over.
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This is a disingenuous comparison of apples and oranges. When Waqar had Hasan Ali in the test team, Hasan was in the form of his life coming off miraculously tying the QEA final for Central Punjab, captaining them and taking boat loads of wickets. Incidentally, that team also had an effective Faheem and an injury free Shaheen.

In comparison, Tait has been given newcomers to coach, whilst playing on absolute roads. No coach can do anything with those circumstances.

The white ball improvements in Pakistan’s pacers is there for all to see. Haris Rauf is now a team spearhead and can be relied upon. Naseem has come on leaps and bounds in white ball cricket, and even Hasnain has become a pretty effective new ball bowler.

However, if you choose to look at him with glass half empty approach, up to you. Don’t see how the current lot will improve from any other desi coaches who haven’t played cricket in the last two decades.
 
We are too greedy to think about player's well being. Just make money (both pcb and player) until injured or ineffective.
 
Will he continue in the role if Mickey Arthur gets the job?

Perhaps Mickey may want to go back to Azhar Mahmood.
 
Pakistan need to get more experienced coaches , just not some random English , Australian coaches.
 
Saj said:
So why are the likes of Nasim Shah being picked in every format when he is already injury prone.
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Because Pakistan cannot afford to leave any half decent fast bowler on any benches right now lest we get humiliated more than we already have.

Naseem might be able to get a rest when Shaheen and Haris Rauf return.
 
hitthestump said:
Because Pakistan cannot afford to leave any half decent fast bowler on any benches right now lest we get humiliated more than we already have.

Naseem might be able to get a rest when Shaheen and Haris Rauf return.
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No point in any way risking a young pacer in all formats especially one who has already had terrible injury problems.

They are risking his future.
 
It is hard to get result out of these sort of pitches and it is difficult to blame the bowlers as well. The reason Pakistan lose Test matches on such pitches is due to their inability to absorb pressure and see out draws. The one thing which was brilliant about Sri Lanka when they resorted to such tactics in the late 90's was that they could actually see out draws. Pakistan are doing the classic thing of not wanting to lose Test matches but again they are doing a bad job of it.

For example, Bangladesh are good right now with result oriented pitches they have been preparing even if it means they lose. At least Bangladesh can get some wins against good opposition with such tactics. Pakistan on the other hand aren't going anywhere with these tactics and are becoming a great country to tour for SENA countries. India, SL & Bangladesh are preparing pitches which produce results which also gives opportunities for the opponents to win as well but again I would take that any day over these flat tracks with no chance of the home team winning.
 
giri26 said:
It is hard to get result out of these sort of pitches and it is difficult to blame the bowlers as well. The reason Pakistan lose Test matches on such pitches is due to their inability to absorb pressure and see out draws. The one thing which was brilliant about Sri Lanka when they resorted to such tactics in the late 90's was that they could actually see out draws. Pakistan are doing the classic thing of not wanting to lose Test matches but again they are doing a bad job of it.
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You can't excuse the bowling here, but you are not wrong in saying that batting flopped big time in forcing draws on these roads. Mahela and Co. used to force draws if win was not possible by batting really big.
 
giri26 said:
It is hard to get result out of these sort of pitches and it is difficult to blame the bowlers as well. The reason Pakistan lose Test matches on such pitches is due to their inability to absorb pressure and see out draws. The one thing which was brilliant about Sri Lanka when they resorted to such tactics in the late 90's was that they could actually see out draws. Pakistan are doing the classic thing of not wanting to lose Test matches but again they are doing a bad job of it.

For example, Bangladesh are good right now with result oriented pitches they have been preparing even if it means they lose. At least Bangladesh can get some wins against good opposition with such tactics. Pakistan on the other hand aren't going anywhere with these tactics and are becoming a great country to tour for SENA countries. India, SL & Bangladesh are preparing pitches which produce results which also gives opportunities for the opponents to win as well but again I would take that any day over these flat tracks with no chance of the home team winning.
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Bowlers can be blamed because the Australians, English and Kiwis have bowled on the same pitches and have eventually found the art of taking 20 wickets on these pitches. Maybe our bowlers should review how these bowlers and captains are managing to take wickets on these same flat pitches and acknowledge their own lack of skills.
 
Savak said:
Bowlers can be blamed because the Australians, English and Kiwis have bowled on the same pitches and have eventually found the art of taking 20 wickets on these pitches. Maybe our bowlers should review how these bowlers and captains are managing to take wickets on these same flat pitches and acknowledge their own lack of skills.
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Babar & the coaching staff need to take most of the blame as the bowlers are young and inexperienced. When India played in Gabba, none of the bowlers had more than 3 Tests to their name. Shardul, Saini, Natarajan (Debut), Sundar (Debut) all had limited international experience but India had a plan for that series which even the inexperienced ones were able to execute. Even though Captain is expected to execute the plans and guide his team, the coaching staff also need to come up with plans to restrict England's batting. Pakistan played the same way in all three Tests and English batters were under no pressure as they were able to score freely.

In 2021 series Australia were choked for runs because India came up with a plan to stop their scoring avenues. That's what Pakistan needs to do and give their bowlers a plan. All this natural talent and getting wickets with skill etc in this age of technology does not hold much water as teams study every bowler these days and have a plan already to counter them. Pakistan have repeated the same mistakes again in this series against New Zealand. You would think they would learn but it seems like they picked Hasan and hoped that suddenly wickets will start to fall and they can win. Not sure a young bowler like Abrar knows what his plans should be. He has picked up wickets but has leaked a lots of runs as well. Overall the planning is poor but again the flat wickets have given the opponents a great chance to put pressure on Pakistan with huge totals.
 
Aussies are very professional sportsmen and play the cricket hard way , his lack of interest in this circus in the name of cricket is not a surprise .
 
Eager to give Umar Gul. No body can dent his comitment and seems to have done well woth afghanistan
 
Snowflake said:
Poor appointment by Ramiz - never made sense.

While our journalists are the most toxic beings, there is no way Tait can say that he's satisfied with our fast bowlers - horrible response from him.
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What's he supposed to say? They're garbage and I can still bowl better than them? You gotta try to be positive as a coach and not pile on when our bowlers are already sinking.

Their bowling attack has played a whopping 40 Tests combined.
 
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His point about the bowlers not playing all 3 formats regularly is true.
Except when your SSA becomes fit, you guys will pump for him to play every international + the complete PSL.
The same with what our guys did with jazz-Boom, overworked him and now he will magically apear when the IPL comes around.
Eng were good with Broad pratt and grumpy jim when they took them out of odi's and T20 and today you see the results. Starc is going the same way but i'd still back Aus management to take the right calls, at least he did by opting out of IPL placing TC and ashes as his priority.
 
Ihsanullah spent a few days with Pakistan team and according to him Shaun Tait suggested to shorten his run up and made some slight adjustments which increased his pace by a few yards. So he is doing something after all.
 
Would like to know what Tait has done with Hasnain? What a disaster this kid is now.
 
MenInG said:
Would like to know what Tait has done with Hasnain? What a disaster this kid is now.
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Lol, has Tait done anything with anyone in the team. Our fast bowling performances in test matches under his tenure tell everything. Waqar had the same the bowlers but he got more out of the bunch in comparison
 
Savak said:
Lol, has Tait done anything with anyone in the team. Our fast bowling performances in test matches under his tenure tell everything. Waqar had the same the bowlers but he got more out of the bunch in comparison
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IMO Tait's heart hasn't been in this. He lost his father I think weeks before his appointment (hence why his arrival was delayed) and being on the road away from the family takes its toll.

That's not an excuse as he shouldn't have taken the job if he's going through depression.

He's done a decent job with Naseem but apart from that he's got nothing to show for his tenure. It's another example of Ramiz's brainlessness in thinking by hiring Aussies we'll magically become Australia.

Hasnain however is a nothing bowler. Just a bowling machine set at 90mph with the occasional decent yorker or swinging delivery. He has no nerve at the death - even Liam Dawson carted him around.
 
Tait has been the best among all the coaching staff.

His only criteria for getting the job was being a phoreiner. Was hired to show the world that the shaheens also have a phoreign coach. He has done the job he was hired for with flying colors.

Its the other dramebaaz coaching staff that have contributed nothing.

:inti
 
Seems to have left the squad as per Dahani tweet

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A friend who brought smiles, left last night with tears&#55357;&#56866;&#55357;&#56468;. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ShaunTait?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ShaunTait</a> <a href="https://t.co/fNU3ePTieP">pic.twitter.com/fNU3ePTieP</a></p>— Shahnawaz Dahani (@ShahnawazDahani) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShahnawazDahani/status/1614110385107247106?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 14, 2023</a></blockquote>
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However

PCB have clarified that:

He has gone to London, not because of his contract, but just the usual holidays.
 
MenInG said:
Seems to have left the squad as per Dahani tweet

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A friend who brought smiles, left last night with tears&#55357;&#56866;&#55357;&#56468;. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ShaunTait?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ShaunTait</a> <a href="https://t.co/fNU3ePTieP">pic.twitter.com/fNU3ePTieP</a></p>— Shahnawaz Dahani (@ShahnawazDahani) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShahnawazDahani/status/1614110385107247106?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 14, 2023</a></blockquote>
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However

PCB have clarified that:

He has gone to London, not because of his contract, but just the usual holidays.
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What a legend Dahani

I recon it will be Dahani who will fist break the news of Babar being sacked
 
Foreigners find it tough working in Pakistan. There is nothing to do and you can't drink openly. Eating all the time gets boring. He probably can't even roam around by himself. It's to restrictive for a young guy like him. Probably in the UK to find work with one of the county teams.

Old foreigners are okay because they are not as outgoing. We should target over 55 year old coaches as it would be a better fit.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
Foreigners find it tough working in Pakistan. There is nothing to do and you can't drink openly. Eating all the time gets boring. He probably can't even roam around by himself. It's to restrictive for a young guy like him. Probably in the UK to find work with one of the county teams.

Old foreigners are okay because they are not as outgoing. We should target over 55 year old coaches as it would be a better fit.
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yes you can drink openly... There are many special places for foreigners and now you can easily ge beer deliered to your home in Lahore and pindi
 
Major said:
yes you can drink openly... There are many special places for foreigners and now you can easily ge beer deliered to your home in Lahore and pindi
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Its not the same as going to a bar in the evening. Pakistan does not have a nightlife. I doubt there is anything entertaining to do apart from eat. No work life balance for someone from the west.
 
i was against his appointment because he had no real top level experience, but he did well in the wt20. apart from that i dont see any westerner wanting to live in pak long term, in reality the tours should be organised to let them be with their families for at least one out of every three months.

i dont think he adds much as it is, but to whoever mentioned waqar, please, tell me your joking, id rather not have a coach than have him as a coach, was a horror show who ruined nearly every quickie he touched.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
Its not the same as going to a bar in the evening. Pakistan does not have a nightlife. I doubt there is anything entertaining to do apart from eat. No work life balance for someone from the west.
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As many England and Western fans learnt to their amazement in Qatar, life does not revolve around a pint-a-finest. Waking up with hangover does not define work life balance.

Mickey and many others spent time in Pakistan without a whimper.

Issue is all about money.
 
Faisalabadimunda said:
Hes lost all this spark. Real disaster
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Hasnain is a good bowler and would be the amongst the best in Pak today if given fair treatment.
He has been with the squad for a few years now and he gets the odd few games throughout the year over the likes of Wasim and Rauf who are still immature for the longer formats.
All Hasnain needs is the backing just like Naseem shah and Shaheen have received. He will come good. Simply play the kid for at least 10 games consecutively and see the results.

Our problem has always been wrong players ,wrong formats. In most recent times, the fast bowlers!
Mohammad Wasim and Rauf have done nothing to warrant a place in 50 overs and test cricket. They selectors were forced as we do not even have a 1st choice of fast bowlers for the longer formats let alone back ups. And that is the reason we are, where we are.So it was like let's just roll the dice with these guy and eventually they were all thrown under the bus.

And then there's inexperience in the bowling attack too with none having played at least 25 games in FC.
List goes on and on but it's just down to the management of players I feel. If players were managed properly we would have a back up for every player. We wouldnt be using phrases like Shaheen is our match winner and we missed him as the replacements should be there to stand up. In short, we lack vision.
One player has a good series and all of a sudden, he finds himself in every format, playing every game.
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I can go on and on..
 
He was the best person/coach in the Saqlain management. Our pacers did well in LOIs.

If people are putting the blame on him for failure of our pacers in tests, then maybe he should get credit for how Shaheen, Naseem, Haris, and to an extent Wasim did in ODIs and t20is. Naseem and Shaheen have been very good in ODis and t20is. Haris in t20is has been very good. Although we all know that is not the case.

But still he's been one of the better bowling coaches we've had in some time.

Loved how he put the reporters in their place during the pressers.
 
MenInG said:
As many England and Western fans learnt to their amazement in Qatar, life does not revolve around a pint-a-finest. Waking up with hangover does not define work life balance.

Mickey and many others spent time in Pakistan without a whimper.

Issue is all about money.
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That was a temporary stay. In Dubai there is lots to do so lot of entertainment in the evening.

Mickey is older so it works, older folk don't need all of that and appreciate the money they are getting for the job. Probably saving for retirement.

For a younger coach its a tough gig.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
Its not the same as going to a bar in the evening. Pakistan does not have a nightlife. I doubt there is anything entertaining to do apart from eat. No work life balance for someone from the west.
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I live in the west and we have terrible work, life balance. It may be different in Australia as thei have great beaches, weather and wild life.
 
I have actually been impressed with some of the Pakistan pacers in limited overs formats.

An enigmatic coaching appointment for Tait but he does seem to have helped a few guys to some incremental steps.
 
Mamoon said:
As I said during the T20 World Cup, Tait is completely disinterested & PCB is also not giving him any importance.

Both parties are simply waiting for the contract to expire. Tait would want to leave today but PCB is in no mood to pay him off.

Appointing him was a disastrous move by Ramiz. He is obsessed with Australians. Tait has zero credentials as coach & on top of that, he was a poor bowler in Test cricket.
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Pakistan cricket could do a lot worse than trying to get Shane Bond as their bowling coach. Guy has had success coaching at all levels, internationally & club/IPL level & is a canny tactician. With that said, who knows if he'd want the job.
 
Snatch said:
Pakistan cricket could do a lot worse than trying to get Shane Bond as their bowling coach. Guy has had success coaching at all levels, internationally & club/IPL level & is a canny tactician. With that said, who knows if he'd want the job.
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Has he left as bowling coach ? Based on dhani's tweet seems like it
 
MenInG said:
Seems to have left the squad as per Dahani tweet

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A friend who brought smiles, left last night with tears����. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ShaunTait?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ShaunTait</a> <a href="https://t.co/fNU3ePTieP">pic.twitter.com/fNU3ePTieP</a></p>— Shahnawaz Dahani (@ShahnawazDahani) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShahnawazDahani/status/1614110385107247106?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 14, 2023</a></blockquote>
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PCB have clarified that:

He has gone to London, not because of his contract, but just the usual holidays.
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Naveedahmed1 said:
Has he left as bowling coach ? Based on dhani's tweet seems like it
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See above.
 
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