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Shikhar Dhawan announces retirement from all cricket [Update at Post#154]

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Strictly talking about ODIs.
Averaging 40+ with strike rate over 90.
Highest run getter for India in WC2015.
Player of the tournament in Champions Trophy2013..
Consistantly ranked in Top10 list..

Everyone talks about Kohli, Dhoni (rightly so) , Rohit...even likes of Rahul,Rahane, Pandey are more discussed than Dhawan...

Why Dhawan is less talked about ODI batsman despite having impressive stats and consistent preformances?????
 
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He is the anti-ABD and Amla. Turns it off in jamodis and t20 series, turns it on in tournaments.

Was in horrible, horrible form iirc going into the 2015 WC but then our magical cornered tigers Md Irfan and Sohail Khan brought him back in form.
 
I would always play him in tournaments.

Our most clutch ODI bat in tournaments.

The problem with him is that when he bats in other bilaterals, he looks so goddamn average (for most part) that its hard to hype him up. I have seen some Indians wanting to see him dropped (socking but they do haha).

He is rated fine in my view.
 
We prefer to diss him all the time so that he proves us wrong every time an ICC tournament comes up . :hamster:
 
Because inelegant left handers are cricket equivalent of a spider. They haven't wronged you and they go about doing their business quietly but you can't help but squish them.

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I dont think Dhawan is inelegant like Smith, Cook, Chanderpaul. He is like Warner - neither specially silken touch player but not inelegant either.
 
Because he has his limitations. Weak against the short ball and just outside off. Inconsistent in many ways, but somehow turns it up in tournaments.
 
I think he should be persisted with in Test matches. IMO he deserves to play ahead of Rahul, who is overrated by many Indian fans.
 
A very good odi batsmen to be fair..

Just doesn't give the confidence that he will go and score on that day.

But very unpredictable cricketer.
 
ODIs are his forte but he hasn't played an ODI for 11 months!! Has been injured far too much off late plus not being good enough for tests and T20s doesn't help his case either.
 
honeybadger said:
Because inelegant left handers are cricket equivalent of a spider. They haven't wronged you and they go about doing their business quietly but you can't help but squish them.

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May seem like a joke but this point does hold a lot of weight. Its all about the elegance in cricket. The fact that Rohit is often clubbed with likes of Rahane and Kohli just irks me but he is always deemed 'special talent' when experts talk about him.


Dhawan is not great but he is definitely under-rated.
 
Imagine Dhawan playing for Pakistan...Fans would have call him best since Anwar ,best in the world, Dhawan vs Kohli comparison , future captain and many more things.
 
He is rated just right. He is a clutch player but inconsistency is his biggest issue.
 
In my humble opinion, I feel like he is over-rated.
 
Inconsistent in bilaterals, clutch in the pressure games. If he was more consistent in bilaterals he would be rated even higher. I think he is rated fairly.
 
He feeds on adrenaline rush, so more often than not, rises to the challenge. However, it doesn't change the fact that technically, he is a slightly better version of Harbhajan.
 
Good batsman who is insane on the offside and also has a nice pickup shot off the legs.

Plays at a fast rate too but is inconsistent as other posters have pointed out.
 
Clearly 2nd best Indian batsman after Kohli. Way better than over rated FTB Sharma and useless Dhoni. Along with Kohli he was major contributor in South African series win...
 
On another planet to the overrated Rohit Sharma who is Ahmed Shehzad on steroids.
 
It's probably because in this era many fans seem to worship performances in bilaterals and are quick to forget the moments when it really meant something. Plus he's not the golden boy either and is not the usual Indian, he's a very confident cricketer and shows a lot of heart so it makes sense when there's a lot of folk at home who don't relate to him so easily
 
Brilliant batsmen. Absolutely clutch.
He is the best opener of this era and is the third best odi batsmen of this era.

Not interested in

1) Double hundreds
2) Fastest to X runs
 
Ab Fan said:
Brilliant batsmen. Absolutely clutch.
He is the best opener of this era and is the third best odi batsmen of this era.

Not interested in

1) Double hundreds
2) Fastest to X runs
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Better than Rohit, Warner, De Kock, Amla, and Guptill
 
Don't really see him as underrated. He has a knack of scoring it big in ICC tourneys.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Better than Rohit, Warner, De Kock, Amla, and Guptill
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Yes. De kock can surpass him 10 years later. He is too young at the moment.

Guptill hasn't done much either. I would like to correct myself- 4th best of his era. Taylor is the 3rd best.
 
Fun fact :
Dhawan is the 1st Indian Player to score a century before lunch on first day of a Test match.
 
An excellent short format player. Hasn't quite grabbed his chances in Tests though especially outside India. Lots of 20s, 30s and then gets out. England tour will be a make or break for him as a Test player.
 
Ab Fan said:
He averages 43.94 in tests.
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Has been in excellent form recently after coming back to Test squad vs SL. Last 7 tests, 689 runs@63, SR of nearly 100, 3 100s, 2 50s in 11 innings.

His main challenge now lies in doing well outside Asia.
 
cricketindiafan said:
Has been in excellent form recently after coming back to Test squad vs SL. Last 7 tests, 689 runs@63, SR of nearly 100, 3 100s, 2 50s in 11 innings.

His main challenge now lies in doing well outside Asia.
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There is no doubt he is in great form but the question is if he can score outside Asia or not.

The stats you posted includes 2 tests in South Africa I think where he failed completely. Obviously, everyone else failed as well because the conditions were too tough. Even Saffers had it hard batting. So, we dont know if he can score runs outside Asia or not. Considering his weakness outside off and his other issues like he is susceptible against short ball, the chances aren't high at all.
 
The days of him being underrated in ODIs are long gone. As for Tests, he still has a lot to prove outside Asia.
 
Ab Fan said:
There is no doubt he is in great form but the question is if he can score outside Asia or not.

The stats you posted includes 2 tests in South Africa I think where he failed completely. Obviously, everyone else failed as well because the conditions were too tough. Even Saffers had it hard batting. So, we dont know if he can score runs outside Asia or not. Considering his weakness outside off and his other issues like he is susceptible against short ball, the chances aren't high at all.
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He did well in NZ on his first tour, kept getting good starts in England and Australia but would throw it away at 20s, 30s. As I said, last chance really in England else we should move to the new set of openers.
 
Tbh I've always rated him.Even in Tests,felt he was underrated.I don't have confidence in either of him or Rahul succeeding in England.But I still feel India shouldn't have dropped him after 1st test in SA recently.He would've scored at least one fifty in next test.

My favourite FTB of all time.
 
The fact that he is not rated highly shows what a great batting nation India is, and the great legacy that they have created over the course of their history. To put things into perspective, he would have been Pakistan's second greatest opener ever with the same performances, and a certified legend.
 
Mamoon said:
The fact that he is not rated highly shows what a great batting nation India is, and the great legacy that they have created over the course of their history. To put things into perspective, he would have been Pakistan's second greatest opener ever with the same performances, and a certified legend.
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I didn't watch much of anwar.
Do you think shikhar is better than saeed anwar in odis?
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
I didn't watch much of anwar.
Do you think shikhar is better than saeed anwar in odis?
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In ODIs yes, and also in Tests on flat decks. Also, he is a very clutch player like Saeed Anwar who always came good in big games.

However, Saeed Anwar was different class in Test cricket outside Asia, which is why he was better overall.
 
He is grossly under rated as an ODI batsman but over rated in T20. In test cricket he is rated exactly as he deserves, a pretty handy HTB who loses the plot on foreign soil.
 
Mamoon said:
The fact that he is not rated highly shows what a great batting nation India is, and the great legacy that they have created over the course of their history. To put things into perspective, he would have been Pakistan's second greatest opener ever with the same performances, and a certified legend.
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Hanif Mohammad says hi.
 
Mamoon said:
Personally speaking, I do not take pre 1970 cricketers seriously. The game was completely different in the 50s and 60s, and not comparable to modern cricket.
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I agree. Infact I would say comparing players from different decades is also not practical.
The technology which coaches , players have at their disposal makes it easier to find weakness in every player and then exploit it.So bowling and batting is tougher in todays era probably and any players strength or surprise skill is decoded/deciphered within days.

For example....In todays era a players videos available from every angle for a new fast bowler or spinner even before they debut. There will statistics on types of deliveries per over ( big data analytics i suppose). This helps figure out bowlers quickly...sometimes even for players who have not even seen the opposition player in person.
In olden days bowlers were figured out but it took a few series playing against them till their bag of tricks was decoded or from word of mouth on what to look out for in terms of grip and what not.

Same for batters. A new batsman might score easily in first few games in today's era but then detailed analysis is done and some weakness or other is noticed and exploited.In older days, even figuring out strengths and weakness of batsman sometimes took few series.
 
People will rate him once he starts scoring outside SC in test he averages around 28 outside SC.
 
Dhawan has couple of weaknesses. Bouncers above waist height, Ball slanting into him (left armer over the wicket or right armer round the wicket).
 
He needs to hit the big ones. He looks dangerous but these quickfire 40s 60s arent enough. He needs to start hitring big daddy hundreds or simply vacate the opening spot to Rahul because he would.
 
^16 hundreds in 80 matches since he became opener. Wow thats Kohliesque.
 
On topic Dhawan is very good opener. Had he converted all those starts then would have been as good as kohli. No doubt our best batsman in ICC ODI tournament.
 
Dhawan is clutch which very few openers are. Neither Amla or Rohit are for one. He produces it on the big days, and if you looked at his scores, his median would be much higher than Rohit who pushes his average up with few big scores.

Actually Fakhar reminds me of Dhawan a lot, and if he get's to his level with the ability to convert more starts, we would have the gun opener in white-ball cricket.
 
Rishta Aunty said:
Dhawan is clutch which very few openers are. Neither Amla or Rohit are for one. He produces it on the big days, and if you looked at his scores, his median would be much higher than Rohit who pushes his average up with few big scores.

Actually Fakhar reminds me of Dhawan a lot, and if he get's to his level with the ability to convert more starts, we would have the gun opener in white-ball cricket.
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Idk which big days people talk about Dhawan & when he played great knock? People are confused between great in whole tournament and great in big match. Dhawan is great in icc tournament idk when he performed in big match (like gambhir) and to tell you virat and rohit are not too behind dhawan in icc tournament.
 
Sam99 said:
Idk which big days people talk about Dhawan & when he played great knock? People are confused between great in whole tournament and great in big match. Dhawan is great in icc tournament idk when he performed in big match (like gambhir) and to tell you virat and rohit are not too behind dhawan in icc tournament.
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ICC tournament days are big days. There's no two ways about that. I wouldn't put it past Dhawan to produce when the next tournament comes around. Not that Kohli or Sharma are not big match players (especially the former definitely is, despite a few failures here and there), but I'd take Dhawan over Sharma personally.

India are lucky they have both of them together. They really balance each other's strengths & weaknesses.
 
Rishta Aunty said:
ICC tournament days are big days. There's no two ways about that. I wouldn't put it past Dhawan to produce when the next tournament comes around. Not that Kohli or Sharma are not big match players (especially the former definitely is, despite a few failures here and there), but I'd take Dhawan over Sharma personally.

India are lucky they have both of them together. They really balance each other's strengths & weaknesses.
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I thought you might be talking about finals/semifinals or quarterfinals and atleast i don't remember any knock of him. He is very good for team to reach in playoffs but all i wanted to say was other two aren't lagging behind him if we are just talking about tournament. In Big match Dhawan isn't that good as people feel and nor is rohit or virat (but virat has time change this). Rahul might be big match player for us.
 
This man knows no pressure. Even guys like Rohit , sachin can get out to pressure. This guy thrives under pressure like another delhi guy Gambhir. He never catches cold feet during big occasions. May be lack of flair?
 
Went hiding during england tour and now back against minnows. Though a good odi player but after so many failures anyone will score century imo.
 
He is a very good ODI batsmen which is what this thread is about. Will be interesting if asked to rank the below mentioned Indian openers in ODI cricket:-

Tendulkar
Ganguly
Sehwag
Rohit
Dhawan
Gambhir

That's 6 names to pick for.
 
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