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Shoaib Akhtar as our next bowling coach?

Sher Khan

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On PTV sports lately he has been complaining of the Pakistani bowlers looking timid and not bowling enough wicket raking deliveries.

Their is no doubt during his career, akhtar was always aggressive and looking for wickets. The current bowlers seem to have forgotten about the stumps being present. Rarely do we see them bowling quick at the stumps or even trying for wickets.

I wonder if making akhtar as our next bowling coach might Instill some aggression into our bowlers. He will also help massively in the development of young hasnain and ensure that he doesn't lose pace.
 
yes sure if you want to destroy the careers of any future potential talent.

Shoaib is a good pundit but apart from his hyper extension abnormality that generated that demon extra pace, he was nothing special.

Waqar who most would argue was the most skilled faster bower Pakistan produced couldn't hold down the coaching role as it required good man management skills along with accredited coaching credentials and a fair bit of pcb politics dodging... Shoaib has non of the above qualities.
 
Akhtar is one of my favorite ever bowlers!

However, you need a whole different skillset for coaching. You would notice the following things about him when he talks, analyzes the game, etc.

1. A lot of me, myself and I . . While that is fine . . but coaching is not about that . . Coaching is about you taking a back seat and letting talent shine . . I remember last year when he was roped in by Lahore Qalandar. He said something like . . "ab main aa gaya hoon . . in ko sikhaata hoon" . .
2. He is eccentric. His thoughts are all over teh place . . His demenor and patience levels are questionable . . and you can't have that in a coach . . You need a level headed person as a coach. .

In a nutshell, No! He should be no where near the international coaching setup . . if he does want to contribute, then perhaps start at grade 2 level . . and see if he can groom talent there!
 
Shoaib is a good pundit but apart from his hyper extension abnormality that generated that demon extra pace, he was nothing special.

While I don't think he should be bowling coach that is an absurd statement.

Isn't he top 5 greatest Pakistani fast bowler ever?
 
Lol, i dont think he has the patience or temprament to teach or put up with people. His whole career shows that. Will not work.
 
Talking on tv as expert is something, coaching is a whole another level. Shobby is good in picking talent, he got the eye to pick fast bowlers not coaching.
 
In his time, few players were as exciting as Akhtar. But we shouldn't be convinced by sensible opinions in the warm confines of a studio.
 
He is close to Azhar Mahmood, current bowling coach.
Shoaib Akhtar anyway
not a mature candidate and has a huge ego.

We have seen what a huge ego personality Waqar Younis did to the Pakistan team 2011 onwards. We went from from no. 6 to no. 9.

Abdul Razzaq in a more suitable candidate than Shoaib Akhtar, so better persist with Azhar for atleast another year. Has done a good job with Shinwari and transformed Hasan Ali.
 
I would be willing to see Asif get a shot at the role.
 
Shoaib Akhtar's indiscipline during his heyday makes Umar Akmal look like a choir boy. Without googling, I can recall him hitting Asif in the dressing room with a bat, being dropped for having genital warts & banned for doping (nandrolone). Possibly the most arrogant & narcissistic Pakistani player.

I remember, one time time after Pakistan lost a test series, he addressed a press conference & said "I'm the only one in this team who works hard, baaki saare koi jaan nahi lagaatay". Watch any of his recent solo interviews. You'll only hear him saying "me me me". Akhtar in any coaching position is a recipe for disaster.
 
Shoaib akhtar and wasim akram both have this attitude problem.

I dont think both of them should be considered as bowling coach, but I do feel that waqar younus ll be a good option.
 
On PTV sports lately he has been complaining of the Pakistani bowlers looking timid and not bowling enough wicket raking deliveries.

Their is no doubt during his career, akhtar was always aggressive and looking for wickets. The current bowlers seem to have forgotten about the stumps being present. Rarely do we see them bowling quick at the stumps or even trying for wickets.

I wonder if making akhtar as our next bowling coach might Instill some aggression into our bowlers. He will also help massively in the development of young hasnain and ensure that he doesn't lose pace.

Waqar is the best choice.
 
Won’t let him in the team after his issues, but ok to let him coach the team. What mental gymnastics went on there?

No gymnastics required, just a little bit of thought and logic. Asif was 33 when his ban ended, and he will be 37 this year.

If he had age on his side, PCB would have recalled him irrespective of his issues. The only reason why Amir was allowed to come back and not Asif and Butt was because of his age.

Asif has a brilliant bowling brain and can impart his knowledge to the younger generation of Pakistani bowlers as a bowling coach.
 
The problem with super gifted players is that they cannot relate to players who don't have the same gifts. Miandad had the same problem, Akram struggles to transfer his knowledge and even in interviews he comments that he focuses mostly on motivation and on the mental aspects of the game rather than technical.

The only thing Akhtar will give advice on in gyming and how to increase pace by a few km but thats about it.
 
No gymnastics required, just a little bit of thought and logic. Asif was 33 when his ban ended, and he will be 37 this year.

If he had age on his side, PCB would have recalled him irrespective of his issues. The only reason why Amir was allowed to come back and not Asif and Butt was because of his age.

Asif has a brilliant bowling brain and can impart his knowledge to the younger generation of Pakistani bowlers as a bowling coach.

To be honest, i believe Asif might have had better stats than Amir, he certainly would have been able to pick up more than 4 wickets in 13 ODI's in comparison to Amir. The PCB missed a trick by ignoring Asif completely, if they let Amir back then Asif should have been given the same opportunity being the more gifted bowler and bowling genius. It could be argued that Asif played a huge role in Amir's bowling success on the 2010 England tour.
 
No gymnastics required, just a little bit of thought and logic. Asif was 33 when his ban ended, and he will be 37 this year.

If he had age on his side, PCB would have recalled him irrespective of his issues. The only reason why Amir was allowed to come back and not Asif and Butt was because of his age.

Asif has a brilliant bowling brain and can impart his knowledge to the younger generation of Pakistani bowlers as a bowling coach.

Out of all the players who've played for Pakistan, I've never seen anyone with a better bowling brain than Asif. He deserves a chance.
 
No gymnastics required, just a little bit of thought and logic. Asif was 33 when his ban ended, and he will be 37 this year.

If he had age on his side, PCB would have recalled him irrespective of his issues. The only reason why Amir was allowed to come back and not Asif and Butt was because of his age.

Asif has a brilliant bowling brain and can impart his knowledge to the younger generation of Pakistani bowlers as a bowling coach.

Plus new ball bowling skill could be somewhat revived. He already had predicted deficiencies in Abbas bowling in a tv show which are proving to be right. He had experience of bowling in every cricket playing country. Only downside could be UAE visa issue and spot fixing bashing coming up again. I have no problem with foreign coaches but overseas Pakistani coaches like waqar & Azhar. They demand income as UK/Aus citizen and give output like Pakistani citizen. PCB should opt for either local or foreign but not the in between person.
 
Pakistan should hire bowling coaches who can make a difference and get rid of mediocre ones like Mahmood.

Look to hire people like Donald , Pollock , Bond etc
 
I agree Asif, would be a better choice, he is more intelligent, knows everything about fast bowling and is not short-tempered like Akhtar.

Akhtar would spend more time telling others how great a bowler he was and what he could do rather than what the players, he would be coaching could do.
 
What will he teach ball tampering or the art of using performance enhancing drugs?
 
Having Akthar is useless, instead will have waqar as the bowling coach.

Ideally Ian pont, Ambrose, Donald, Bond, Pollock, McGrath will be good choices
 
While I don't think he should be bowling coach that is an absurd statement.

Isn't he top 5 greatest Pakistani fast bowler ever?

It's debatable he is in the top 5, he was a novelty act only good in small patches during his career when fit and when the ball was swinging, never bowled to his field, leaked runs all the time, spent most of his career on the 3rd man boundary because he couldn't field and even by the end couldn't hold a bat properly.
 
Will make a great bowling coach without doubt. His analysis on Star Sports Extra Innings programmes while he used to commentate there used to be brilliant and most impressive of the entire team. He has helped Bumrah and M Shami, in particular, in improving as bowlers when they were new, I've seen videos of him advising both between matches and detailing the discussions he had Extra Innings programme.

M Shami even credited Akhtar for his advice. https://indianexpress.com/article/s...ami-credits-shoaib-akhtar-for-new-found-pace/

Anyone who thinks Shoaib lacks coaching, technical skills, etc, is deluded. From their commentary alone, one can judge how adept Akhtar is on fast bowling as compared to the likes of Wasim, Waqar, Sikandar *****.

Tough I'd agree hiring the likes of Donald, Pollock, Bond, etc would be an upgrade
 
No gymnastics required, just a little bit of thought and logic. Asif was 33 when his ban ended, and he will be 37 this year.

If he had age on his side, PCB would have recalled him irrespective of his issues. The only reason why Amir was allowed to come back and not Asif and Butt was because of his age.

Asif has a brilliant bowling brain and can impart his knowledge to the younger generation of Pakistani bowlers as a bowling coach.

I second that.

Asif should be the Coach instead of Akhtar. If people are worried about "fixing" put proper controls in place.

Asif knows bowling

Akhtar can be a good motivator
 
Akhtar won't do anything lol.

He acts tough on media. He won't ever take the mantle for actually implementing changes
 
Let Akhtar stay on YouTube. He was a good bowler, but he has a very average cricketing mind and had terrible work ethic. I can't see him being a good influence on the next generation
 
Akhtar had limited cricketing nous as a player and actually a career that never quite lived up to expectations (though his expectation seemed to be only the first one to be clocked at 100mph).
A flamboyant character though, which will please many Pakistanis.

Azhar Mahmood has done a fantastic job at Surrey, is highly regarded by many there and is spoken of highly by players such as Curran and Atkinson.

However, if he has any sense he shouldn’t even answer the phone if the PCB call
 
Only bring Shoaib Akhtar if you want to destroy whatever little remains of Pakistan cricket. That guy is himself too volatile and will create a combustible situation from day one, the team will self-implode.
 
More than bowling coach we need 4-5 bowles who know the basics to be a fast bowlers, PCB has to think out of box how about sending Hasnain Zaman Ihsanullah to ECB high performance to get some coaching and rectify their mistakes, have no hope in NCA Lahore.
Send your squad to England for training and conditioning camp, make a deal with EcB to have combine training, for coaching during series or a tourney guys like Saqlain Yusuf are enough as during this time we mostly rely on tawakul and dua
 
About 10-15 years ago, there was a t20 franchise gig organized in Singapore. Akhtar participated in it.
Akhtar's team reached the finals. But Akhtar never turned up to the ground. The owner of that team, who I know well, told me that Shoaib overslept, came to the ground very very laste and so he never participated in the final
I really don't want him to even be considered as coach
 
Shoaib doesn't have to be the temprament to be coach. The basic pre requisite as a coach is to treat your players with respect and bring yourself down to their level.
 
having an aggressive coach doesnt make players, players being aggressive when they are getting their behinds handed to them does not make them successful.

there are no short cuts, fix up domestic cricket, increase competitive sports in schools and unis, get kids involved in sports young and maybe they will grow up with a more aggressive attitude.

our players lack fire because they are technically inferior, and u need to be confident in your own skills to talk a good game, otherwise you look like a plum.
 
I’d have him as a team mentor, someone needs to keep our players in check. No cakes, no roti gangs and no hugs with the opposition.
 
He could be a good coach one but he needs to be more sensible while giving any statements.

Infact we can try him as a bowling coach to start with!
 
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