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Shoaib Malik : The most naturally gifted Pakistani batsman of recent times?

Buffet said:
Why so serious, just have fun in troll threads. OP is trolling here.
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There are a few posters who are new and don't know the OP very well.... or took the thread very seriously.
 
Malik is the Chuck Norris of Pakistan Cricket. No one has been ever been able to keep him away for long. His marriage was the blockbuster of the decade. Even professor couldnt do rat to keep him out of the team. True don. True talent. One love. One malik. :yk :afridi
 
As much as I detest his first name so much (Malik and Akhtar too), Malik was a decent allrounder for Pakistan. Sadly any young Pak captain would get attacked by vultures.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
He's been such a wasted talent really. The thing about him, he grows in confidence with as much time he spends in the middle. When he gets set, he can really take off and hit the big ones with ease just liek today against KKR, arguably the strongest bowling line-up in T20 club cricket.

Phenomenal performance against spin bowling.
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You surly can't be serious?????????

He does not even break the top 50 in last 15 years.
 
Shoaib Malik: The most naturally gifted Pakistani batsman of last 15 years?

Its no wonder Indians think this way. He definitely got natural talent and eye for pie chuckers and trundlers hence feasted on Indian bowlers most of the time.

I will not be amazed if Indians think malik of blend between viv,sachin and bradman he did all kind of things to them.

Clearly Malik got a thing for Indians and Indians got a thing for him.

Match made in heaven.
 
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KarachiKing said:
what a match. remember he scored 80 off 40 odd. Out of nowhere. he was seen just as a spinner back then.

great entertainment
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He is still a spinner:steyn(much worse) ....

I mean look at this clip ...90% of shots are ugly premeditated midwicket tullas....

Still...he looks like a clown while batting...strange back lift...just trying to put the ball in midwicket region....

Is all at sea against faster bowlers...literally

NO THANK YOU

GO MALIK GO:sanga
 
Malik's career could have taken a different turn if perhaps Misbah had not played that stupid scoop shot to Jogi. And vice versa for MSD, he was THE LEADER after that triumph. Such a massive high gives you so much confidence.
 
for me naturally gifted player from pak is razzak.....his ability to finish the game is awesome ...clean hitter....and also mohmd yosuf....his strike rotation and hitting boundary according to situation....and also salman butt....but his career is over in fixing.....
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Malik's career could have taken a different turn if perhaps Misbah had not played that stupid scoop shot to Jogi. And vice versa for MSD, he was THE LEADER after that triumph. Such a massive high gives you so much confidence.
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never thought of it that way. Where would Malik be now if Misbah had got it over Sreesanth?

Though theres also the possibility that because India wouldn't have won that, Intl t20's really wouldn't have taken off. IPL for sure wouldn't have been there I think
 
dhump said:
Its no wonder Indians think this way. He definitely got natural talent and eye for pie chuckers and trundlers hence feasted on Indian bowlers most of the time.

I will not be amazed if Indians think malik of blend between viv,sachin and bradman he did all kind of things to them.

Clearly Malik got a thing for Indians and Indians got a thing for him.

Match made in heaven.
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Anybody can score runs against Indian bowling. Even then Malik is no way the most gifted anything from any team.
 
What is a talented/gifted batsman? - One whom you can trust to score about 20 runs off 1 over to win. Obviously Umar Akmal is the guy whom you can trust to score those runs due to his ability to score all around the wicket.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
The way he treated Kullu in 19th over today, was not the stuff of ordinary players. When he is in groove, he is in the Inzamam, Yuvraj mould. Effortless and sublime hitter.
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I knew as soon as I opened this thread that there was some major trolling going on and when I read the comment about Inzi, I had to burst out laughing. So, the purpose of this thread is to see how many responses you can get, right?

I have to say I think Malik is the most naturally gifted batsmen since the time of Bradman. In fact, I once heard Lara and Tendulker discuss how they wished they were as talented as him.
 
Should have never been removed as captain. Removing him from captaincy severely dented his confidence, and it did nothing for Pakistan cricket in the long run. We have chopped and changed so many ever since he was sacked.

Don't know what the hell changing a captain, because the team underperformed, even proves.

Thats why Pakistan cricket is a joke.

They think changing a captain automatically means better performances.
 
Despite it being a non serious thread, I'm actually curious on what happened to Malik and his captaincy, I didn't follow cricket back then as much as I do now, just find the situation odd.

He has said himself that he will reveal why he was sacked as captain once he retires.
 
The way he destroyed a world class spinner like Kuldeep showed his class.


Pakistan need to get him back in the team ASAP.
 
There were three points in Malik's career which messed him up.

1) His induction into the test team as captain: Malik wasn't really playing tests pre-2007, was basically just a squad player who played sometimes. What the selectors failed to see was that he was strictly a limited-overs specialist. In limited-overs, he took his chances, unsettled the bowlers and if he didn't perform with the bat, was useful with the ball. All in all, a very good utility player. When he was inducted into the test team on a permanent basis and that too as captain, he had to be a lot more circumspect which messed up his batting approach. From then on, even in ODIs, even though he scored some good runs as captain, the approach had changed and the runs came at a lower strike rate.

2) Induction of Hafeez: Hafeez was a much better bowler as compared to Malik. That made his offspin almost redundant. That meant that he was under extra pressure to perform with the bat, hence started being more circumspect.

3) YK at 3: Malik had a settled role in the team batting at 3 in ODIs and an attacking approach to go with it. YK's truckload of runs in Tests meant that he could not be ignored for the ODIs anymore and was subsequently handed his favorite no.3 position where he has continued to flop till now.

If Malik is to ever make a successful comeback to the team, as many of these factors would have to go away as possible.

1) Never be considered for tests, not his cup of tea.
2) Bowling as 6th bowler in ODIs bowling 5-6 overs every match. Can't see that happening with Afridi and Hafeez there. Maybe after the World Cup when Afridi is gone.
3) Batting at 3 and definitely no lower than 4.
 
RagingJ said:
Despite it being a non serious thread, I'm actually curious on what happened to Malik and his captaincy, I didn't follow cricket back then as much as I do now, just find the situation odd.

He has said himself that he will reveal why he was sacked as captain once he retires.
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That's something people try to avoid because it involves one of most popular figure; a darling of Pakistan :jf That being said, i am gonna explain everything. [MENTION=134371]RagingJ[/MENTION]


Making Shoaib Malik as captain was not originally planned and certainly not even for backup plan. After disastrous WC 2007, Inzimam had to resign due to public's pressure. During that time, Younus was vice-captain, refused to step in when PCB needed him as captain for the team. So, certain senior cricketers saw that as opportunity hoping to get called.

Instead PCB chose to appoint Shoaib Malik as captain which was not expected, a cricketer who was in form of life, but hardly captaincy material with no experience nor he was test specialist batsman. So, appointing Shoaib Malik ascaptain was kind of surprising which threw everyone off the guard including senior cricketers.

Knowing the ego of some senior cricketers, that didn't go well. Despite of their best effort to keep feeling inside their pants, yet it was clear as sky of how they were feeling when they were representing the team under the captaincy of youngster. Wasim Akram was in similar situation after WC 1992. So, he didn't survive as captain neither could Shoaib Malik.

But Shoaib Malik had support from the chairman. The chairman, Naseem Ashraf back then, supported him through thick and thin. Unfortunately, his tensure ended as soon as General Pervaiz Musharraf resigned - the one who appointed Naseem Ashraf as chairman of PCB.

The replacement of Naseem Ashraf, Ijaz Butt wasn't fond of Shoaib Malik. So, Shoaib Malik never stood a chance. Pakistan was hosting Sri Lanka at home after disaster year, 2008, where Pakistan team played very few cricket and no test series at all. So Pakistan team was bit rusty. Even though, Pakistan was hosting Sri lanka after a long time followed by long and disastrous year, and last series Pakistan played was in Abu Dhabi/Dubai where Pakistan defeated West Indies 3-0. Unfortunately, Ijaz Butt as chairman had other mind. Senior cricketers joined together for oath-bridge, which is rumour, against Shoaib Malik.

At the end, Pakistan lost ODI series against Sri Lanka so embarrassingly. After that, Shoaib Malik was immediately asked to resign from captaincy. While he was forced to resigned, Younus khan, along with senior cricketers, were celebrating with Ijaz Butt while Shoaib Malik had to bear the brunt with everything you can think of.

During that time, the media was already against Shoaib Malik. Senior cricketers betrayed him. The nation was very happy with Shoaib Malik's resignation. The way Ijaz Butt as chairman did to Shoaib Malik while Younus khan stood silently.

If you take all these into accounts, from that moment he was killed inside. What happened to him screwed him mentally big time. That was the year of 2009; bad year for him and also for Pakistan. The only good news he had so far in that year was Sania Mirza.

Ever since, he is struggling to move past all these issues. During Inzimam's captaincy, he was world-class batsman, a real fighter player against fast bowlers and spinners. Every time Shoaib Malik gets recalled, he gets nervous not because he is playing in international level, rather he is trying to get settled while PCB is keeping its eyes very close on him, and waiting him to fail so they can have him gone which doesn't make sense as to why they select him in the first place if not lending him some support.

The bottom line is he doesn't trust PCB. There is a lot of politics involved in Pakistan cricket. He doesn't feel comfortable playing for Pakistan where the media and the nation are so anti-Malik while chairman and selectors ganging together against Shoaib Malik doesn't help either.

Shoaib Malik gets unconditional support in international leagues especially Carribean League where his captain backed him and supported him against Tino best regarding the racial convo on the pitch, Allahu Alim. Even Hobart Hurricanes had played him in every matches despite of poor showing as batsman. Even in the recent Champion League where he has failed in first two matches, yet Hobart persisted with him and he rewarded them with performance. It has nothing to do with domestic/international, rather it is to do with confident, support and patient which PCB has none of these quality.

Shoaib Malik was word-class player during Inzimam's captaincy. You don't become mediocre cricketer overnight. He has trust issues with PCB, hence he feels very uncomfortable playing for Pakistan due to PCB and several unaccounted factors which Shoaib Malik has promised to reveal after his retirement from Pakistan cricket. We know one thing; trust issue and for the unaccounted factors, time will tell, Allahu Alim.
 
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Whether he is the most naturally gifted or not but one thing which i like in him he always came to bat under tough situations as captain. He batted as an opener, at no 3, no 4, no 5 unlike Misbah. :moyo
 
Mehran07 said:
Whether he is the most naturally gifted or not but one thing which i like in him he always came to bat under tough situations as captain. He batted as an opener, at no 3, no 4, no 5 unlike Misbah. :moyo
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You can always see the intent in his eyes and attitude. Do you remember his role in some key ICC/Asia Cup matches? I think he is the kind of player who enjoys playing big matches and should have definitely played the Mohali semi-final.
 
MalikMohsin said:
That's something people try to avoid because it involves one of most popular figure; a darling of Pakistan :jf That being said, i am gonna explain everything. [MENTION=134371]RagingJ[/MENTION]


Making Shoaib Malik as captain was not originally planned and certainly not even for backup plan. After disastrous WC 2007, Inzimam had to resign due to public's pressure. During that time, Younus was vice-captain, refused to step in when PCB needed him as captain for the team. So, certain senior cricketers saw that as opportunity hoping to get called.

Instead PCB chose to appoint Shoaib Malik as captain which was not expected, a cricketer who was in form of life, but hardly captaincy material with no experience nor he was test specialist batsman. So, appointing Shoaib Malik ascaptain was kind of surprising which threw everyone off the guard including senior cricketers.

Knowing the ego of some senior cricketers, that didn't go well. Despite of their best effort to keep feeling inside their pants, yet it was clear as sky of how they were feeling when they were representing the team under the captaincy of youngster. Wasim Akram was in similar situation after WC 1992. So, he didn't survive as captain neither could Shoaib Malik.

But Shoaib Malik had support from the chairman. The chairman, Naseem Ashraf back then, supported him through thick and thin. Unfortunately, his tensure ended as soon as General Pervaiz Musharraf resigned - the one who appointed Naseem Ashraf as chairman of PCB.

The replacement of Naseem Ashraf, Ijaz Butt wasn't fond of Shoaib Malik. So, Shoaib Malik never stood a chance. Pakistan was hosting Sri Lanka at home after disaster year, 2008, where Pakistan team played very few cricket and no test series at all. So Pakistan team was bit rusty. Even though, Pakistan was hosting Sri lanka after a long time followed by long and disastrous year, and last series Pakistan played was in Abu Dhabi/Dubai where Pakistan defeated West Indies 3-0. Unfortunately, Ijaz Butt as chairman had other mind. Senior cricketers joined together for oath-bridge, which is rumour, against Shoaib Malik.

At the end, Pakistan lost ODI series against Sri Lanka so embarrassingly. After that, Shoaib Malik was immediately asked to resign from captaincy. While he was forced to resigned, Younus khan, along with senior cricketers, were celebrating with Ijaz Butt while Shoaib Malik had to bear the brunt with everything you can think of.

During that time, the media was already against Shoaib Malik. Senior cricketers betrayed him. The nation was very happy with Shoaib Malik's resignation. The way Ijaz Butt as chairman did to Shoaib Malik while Younus khan stood silently.

If you take all these into accounts, from that moment he was killed inside. What happened to him screwed him mentally big time. That was the year of 2009; bad year for him and also for Pakistan. The only good news he had so far in that year was Sania Mirza.

Ever since, he is struggling to move past all these issues. During Inzimam's captaincy, he was world-class batsman, a real fighter player against fast bowlers and spinners. Every time Shoaib Malik gets recalled, he gets nervous not because he is playing in international level, rather he is trying to get settled while PCB is keeping its eyes very close on him, and waiting him to fail so they can have him gone which doesn't make sense as to why they select him in the first place if not lending him some support.

The bottom line is he doesn't trust PCB. There is a lot of politics involved in Pakistan cricket. He doesn't feel comfortable playing for Pakistan where the media and the nation are so anti-Malik while chairman and selectors ganging together against Shoaib Malik doesn't help either.

Shoaib Malik gets unconditional support in international leagues especially Carribean League where his captain backed him and supported him against Tino best regarding the racial convo on the pitch, Allahu Alim. Even Hobart Hurricanes had played him in every matches despite of poor showing as batsman. Even in the recent Champion League where he has failed in first two matches, yet Hobart persisted with him and he rewarded them with performance. It has nothing to do with domestic/international, rather it is to do with confident, support and patient which PCB has none of these quality.

Shoaib Malik was word-class player during Inzimam's captaincy. You don't become mediocre cricketer overnight. He has trust issues with PCB, hence he feels very uncomfortable playing for Pakistan due to PCB and several unaccounted factors which Shoaib Malik has promised to reveal after his retirement from Pakistan cricket. We know one thing; trust issue and for the unaccounted factors, time will tell, Allahu Alim.
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Excellent post bro. Every Malik hater should read this before judging the man.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
You can always see the intent in his eyes and attitude. Do you remember his role in some key ICC/Asia Cup matches? I think he is the kind of player who enjoys playing big matches and should have definitely played the Mohali semi-final.
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Yes. I remember his innings VS Aussies in WT20 2007. Pak was 4 down and he played superb with Misbah to guide our team to victory, but he failed in Final where he supposed to deliver the most. Even in 2009 WT20 he supported Afridi till the end in semi-final and final.
 
The excuses given by some of the posters for maliks lack of performance are ridiculous. Blaming everyone but malik for his poor performance over the years. Its worse than akmals brigade blaming everything on misbah.
 
One good innings in league and we are praising as if he's just beaten Kohli or Ab Villars talent :facepalm:
 
MalikMohsin said:
That's something people try to avoid because it involves one of most popular figure; a darling of Pakistan :jf That being said, i am gonna explain everything. [MENTION=134371]RagingJ[/MENTION]


Making Shoaib Malik as captain was not originally planned and certainly not even for backup plan. After disastrous WC 2007, Inzimam had to resign due to public's pressure. During that time, Younus was vice-captain, refused to step in when PCB needed him as captain for the team. So, certain senior cricketers saw that as opportunity hoping to get called.

Instead PCB chose to appoint Shoaib Malik as captain which was not expected, a cricketer who was in form of life, but hardly captaincy material with no experience nor he was test specialist batsman. So, appointing Shoaib Malik ascaptain was kind of surprising which threw everyone off the guard including senior cricketers.

Knowing the ego of some senior cricketers, that didn't go well. Despite of their best effort to keep feeling inside their pants, yet it was clear as sky of how they were feeling when they were representing the team under the captaincy of youngster. Wasim Akram was in similar situation after WC 1992. So, he didn't survive as captain neither could Shoaib Malik.

But Shoaib Malik had support from the chairman. The chairman, Naseem Ashraf back then, supported him through thick and thin. Unfortunately, his tensure ended as soon as General Pervaiz Musharraf resigned - the one who appointed Naseem Ashraf as chairman of PCB.

The replacement of Naseem Ashraf, Ijaz Butt wasn't fond of Shoaib Malik. So, Shoaib Malik never stood a chance. Pakistan was hosting Sri Lanka at home after disaster year, 2008, where Pakistan team played very few cricket and no test series at all. So Pakistan team was bit rusty. Even though, Pakistan was hosting Sri lanka after a long time followed by long and disastrous year, and last series Pakistan played was in Abu Dhabi/Dubai where Pakistan defeated West Indies 3-0. Unfortunately, Ijaz Butt as chairman had other mind. Senior cricketers joined together for oath-bridge, which is rumour, against Shoaib Malik.

At the end, Pakistan lost ODI series against Sri Lanka so embarrassingly. After that, Shoaib Malik was immediately asked to resign from captaincy. While he was forced to resigned, Younus khan, along with senior cricketers, were celebrating with Ijaz Butt while Shoaib Malik had to bear the brunt with everything you can think of.

During that time, the media was already against Shoaib Malik. Senior cricketers betrayed him. The nation was very happy with Shoaib Malik's resignation. The way Ijaz Butt as chairman did to Shoaib Malik while Younus khan stood silently.

If you take all these into accounts, from that moment he was killed inside. What happened to him screwed him mentally big time. That was the year of 2009; bad year for him and also for Pakistan. The only good news he had so far in that year was Sania Mirza.

Ever since, he is struggling to move past all these issues. During Inzimam's captaincy, he was world-class batsman, a real fighter player against fast bowlers and spinners. Every time Shoaib Malik gets recalled, he gets nervous not because he is playing in international level, rather he is trying to get settled while PCB is keeping its eyes very close on him, and waiting him to fail so they can have him gone which doesn't make sense as to why they select him in the first place if not lending him some support.

The bottom line is he doesn't trust PCB. There is a lot of politics involved in Pakistan cricket. He doesn't feel comfortable playing for Pakistan where the media and the nation are so anti-Malik while chairman and selectors ganging together against Shoaib Malik doesn't help either.

Shoaib Malik gets unconditional support in international leagues especially Carribean League where his captain backed him and supported him against Tino best regarding the racial convo on the pitch, Allahu Alim. Even Hobart Hurricanes had played him in every matches despite of poor showing as batsman. Even in the recent Champion League where he has failed in first two matches, yet Hobart persisted with him and he rewarded them with performance. It has nothing to do with domestic/international, rather it is to do with confident, support and patient which PCB has none of these quality.

Shoaib Malik was word-class player during Inzimam's captaincy. You don't become mediocre cricketer overnight. He has trust issues with PCB, hence he feels very uncomfortable playing for Pakistan due to PCB and several unaccounted factors which Shoaib Malik has promised to reveal after his retirement from Pakistan cricket. We know one thing; trust issue and for the unaccounted factors, time will tell, Allahu Alim.
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what a load of tripe!

you really need to take your head out of the sand and think logically.

utter rubbish
 
MalikMohsin said:
That's something people try to avoid because it involves one of most popular figure; a darling of Pakistan :jf That being said, i am gonna explain everything. [MENTION=134371]RagingJ[/MENTION] .
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Darling of Pakistan????? :facepalm:
Darling of Sania Mirza....may be,
Darling of Firdous Aashiq Awan....may be,
Darling of Naseem Ashraf....may be,
Darling of Bob Woolmer because of their business partnership....may be,
but Darling of Pakistan.... ???? (is there simile for throwing up and puking?)

MalikMohsin said:
Making Shoaib Malik as captain was not originally planned and certainly not even for backup plan. After disastrous WC 2007, Inzimam had to resign due to public's pressure. During that time, Younus was vice-captain, refused to step in when PCB needed him as captain for the team. So, certain senior cricketers saw that as opportunity hoping to get called.

Instead PCB chose to appoint Shoaib Malik as captain which was not expected, a cricketer who was in form of life, but hardly captaincy material with no experience nor he was test specialist batsman. So, appointing Shoaib Malik as captain was kind of surprising which threw everyone off the guard including senior cricketers.
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So what? He is not the only “young” cricketer who was given captaincy “unexpectedly”. Miandad was one. Then there are a number of cricketers from other countries have been given “unexpectedly” and at a very young age. What is the big deal here?
Were you expecting Malik do a PhD or Masters in captaincy from a Harvard University before him being handed over the captaincy?
FYI…. He already had experience in leading Pakistan Under-19, Pakistan “A” (if I am not mistaken) and domestic teams.

MalikMohsin said:
Knowing the ego of some senior cricketers, that didn't go well. Despite of their best effort to keep feeling inside their pants, yet it was clear as sky of how they were feeling when they were representing the team under the captaincy of youngster. Wasim Akram was in similar situation after WC 1992. So, he didn't survive as captain neither could Shoaib Malik.
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So what were those feelings? Can you elaborate? How do you know? Can you provide an authentic reference? If not, you are guessing or dreaming! You qualify your statements with “Allahu Alim” and yet make statement with confidence and authority ….as if YOU KNOW that they are true. You know, how big of sin it is to spread rumor and anything without confirmation?

MalikMohsin said:
But Shoaib Malik had support from the chairman. The chairman, Naseem Ashraf back then, supported him through thick and thin. Unfortunately, his tenure ended as soon as General Pervaiz Musharraf resigned - the one who appointed Naseem Ashraf as chairman of PCB.
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So you are saying Naseem Ashraf kept him on the job, even Malik did not qualify for the job or did not deserve the job. Right?
MalikMohsin said:
The replacement of Naseem Ashraf, Ijaz Butt wasn't fond of Shoaib Malik. So, Shoaib Malik never stood a chance. Pakistan was hosting Sri Lanka at home after disaster year, 2008, where Pakistan team played very few cricket and no test series at all. So Pakistan team was bit rusty. Even though, Pakistan was hosting Sri lanka after a long time followed by long and disastrous year, and last series Pakistan played was in Abu Dhabi/Dubai where Pakistan defeated West Indies 3-0. .
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So you are saying that it was OK for Naseem Ashraf to keep his “Darling” (MaliK) in charge of the team but it is not OK for Ijaz Butt to remove him and bring in his own favorite candidate? Wow! One fair person you are! ;-)
Victim Mentality Card: #1
MalikMohsin said:
Unfortunately, Ijaz Butt as chairman had other mind. Senior cricketers joined together for oath-bridge, which is rumour, against Shoaib Malik.
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So you think, it is a rumor … and yet you are repeating it… and spreading it. What does Islam say about that?
Victim Mentality Card: #2

MalikMohsin said:
At the end, Pakistan lost ODI series against Sri Lanka so embarrassingly. After that, Shoaib Malik was immediately asked to resign from captaincy. While he was forced to resigned, Younus khan, along with senior cricketers, were celebrating with Ijaz Butt while Shoaib Malik had to bear the brunt with everything you can think of.
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So you are 100% sure and you know that senior cricketer celebrated Malik’s removal? Right?
Victim Mentality Card: #3




MalikMohsin said:
During that time, the media was already against Shoaib Malik. Senior cricketers betrayed him. The nation was very happy with Shoaib Malik's resignation. The way Ijaz Butt as chairman did to Shoaib Malik while Younus khan stood silently.
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How did senior cricketers betray him? Can you be a little more specific???
Victim Mentality Card: #4, 5, 6.
MalikMohsin said:
If you take all these into accounts, from that moment he was killed inside. What happened to him screwed him mentally big time. That was the year of 2009; bad year for him and also for Pakistan. The only good news he had so far in that year was Sania Mirza.
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So according to you…..Malik was killed from inside. His mentality was screwed…. And with this state of mind, he gets married to Sania Mirza???? Do you realize what you just said?
Victim Mentality Card: #7, 8.
MalikMohsin said:
Ever since, he is struggling to move past all these issues. During Inzimam's captaincy, he was world-class batsman, a real fighter player against fast bowlers and spinners. Every time Shoaib Malik gets recalled, he gets nervous not because he is playing in international level, rather he is trying to get settled while PCB is keeping its eyes very close on him, and waiting him to fail so they can have him gone which doesn't make sense as to why they select him in the first place if not lending him some support.
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I have no idea or clue as you what you are saying here…. Except “he gets nervous when he is recalled” part!  If that is true (as you must the truth and why would you lie), then this the biggest reason for him to stay away from Pakistan team! May be when he stops getting nervous about the recall, PCB can think about recalling him. May I suggest some very good psychiatrists here in USA? I am sure, they can help him recover. ;-)
Victim Mentality Card: #9.

MalikMohsin said:
The bottom line is he doesn't trust PCB. There is a lot of politics involved in Pakistan cricket. He doesn't feel comfortable playing for Pakistan where the media and the nation are so anti-Malik while chairman and selectors ganging together against Shoaib Malik doesn't help either.
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You know all this for sure? 100% confirmed? Not exaggeration or doubt in it? If yes, then why did he (or you) trust PCB when Naseem Ashraf was chairman …who had these corruption allegations against him.
http://alaiwah.wordpress.com/2008/04/10/corruption-by-nasim-ashraf-in-nchd/

Why did Malik and Naseem Ashraf got along?
Victim Mentality Card: #10.

MalikMohsin said:
Shoaib Malik gets unconditional support in international leagues especially Carribean League where his captain backed him and supported him against Tino best regarding the racial convo on the pitch, Allahu Alim. Even Hobart Hurricanes had played him in every matches despite of poor showing as batsman. Even in the recent Champion League where he has failed in first two matches, yet Hobart persisted with him and he rewarded them with performance. It has nothing to do with domestic/international, rather it is to do with confident, support and patient which PCB has none of these quality.
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PCB supported him for last 4+ years and 73 plus international innings…. How many more failure you want PCB to support????????
Victim Mentality Card: #11.

MalikMohsin said:
Shoaib Malik was word-class player during Inzimam's captaincy. You don't become mediocre cricketer overnight.
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Yes… he did not become mediocre overnight…. But he COMFIRMED his mediocrity for 4+ years and 73+ innings he played for Pakistan!!!! How many more failure you want out of him?

MalikMohsin said:
He has trust issues with PCB, hence he feels very uncomfortable playing for Pakistan due to PCB and several unaccounted factors which Shoaib Malik has promised to reveal after his retirement from Pakistan cricket. We know one thing; trust issue and for the unaccounted factors, time will tell, Allahu Alim.
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Victim Mentality Card: #12.
You know, you have portrayed Malik as very delicate preteen sensitive girl….who is sensitive, hurt, has very delicate nerves and above all a patient who immediately needs to see a world renowned shrink!!!
 
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Pete Rose said:
This is not a very convincing counter argument
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You give examples, counter arguments people don't reply because they don't have the answers and then few weeks later come back with stupid statements (stories) justifying a players' poor performances.

So in the end one can only reply the way I did. Its when someone is at the end of their teather.

Pete Rose, doe you really think that Malik is an international class batsman?
 
Well slow and steady is the road to redemption: first t20 then odi. Hafeez and Afridi are fading fast anyhow.
 
Pete Rose said:
Well slow and steady is the road to redemption: first t20 then odi. Hafeez and Afridi are fading fast anyhow.
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what a load of tripe!

you really need to take your head out of the sand and think logically.

utter rubbish
 
IMMY69 said:
You give examples, counter arguments people don't reply because they don't have the answers and then few weeks later come back with stupid statements (stories) justifying a players' poor performances.

So in the end one can only reply the way I did. Its when someone is at the end of their teather.

Pete Rose, doe you really think that Malik is an international class batsman?
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Yes I think he is an international class batsman who is rightfully out of the team at the moment, but whom I would have no hesitation in putting back in the team, if he continues to do what other senior cricketers are unwilling to do (aka razzaq, younis) perform domestically.
 
IMMY69 said:
what a load of tripe!

you really need to take your head out of the sand and think logically.

utter rubbish
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Bookmark it friend.
Which part it tripe btw: afridi's horror show recent form? Or hafeez's chucking + batting
 
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Pete Rose said:
Bookmark it friend.
Which part it tripe btw: afridi's horror show recent form? Or hafeez's chucking + batting
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I don't put a player down to promote other players. Its not my way.
Afridi should not be captian of the T20 team, is fast fading as an odi bowler and his batting is, well like it has always been.
Hafeez used to have a purple patches with the bat but they seem to have eluded him in recent times. His bowling, well lets agree to disagree about the chucking part.
Malik, his technique is awful against pacers. He has been exposed in international cricket and I have seen nothing in recent times to suggest that he's eradicated his problems. His recent showings in domestic cricket is not unusual, he lead the Sialkot Lions to the CL and scored suns there too. Has been selected to the national team on numerous occasions due to his domestic performances and has failed each and every time.

Malik, between time of his debut and 2009 was not any different to what is now as a batsman. Only difference was that he didnt play any major overseas matches and his successes came on the subcontinent. Since 2009 international bowlers have woken up to his deficiencies and you wont see many bowlers pitching the ball upto him, not unless the ball is swinging or seaming.

What I can't fathom is why people fail to see this???????
 
IMMY69 said:
I don't put a player down to promote other players. Its not my way.
Afridi should not be captian of the T20 team, is fast fading as an odi bowler and his batting is, well like it has always been.
Hafeez used to have a purple patches with the bat but they seem to have eluded him in recent times. His bowling, well lets agree to disagree about the chucking part.
Malik, his technique is awful against pacers. He has been exposed in international cricket and I have seen nothing in recent times to suggest that he's eradicated his problems. His recent showings in domestic cricket is not unusual, he lead the Sialkot Lions to the CL and scored suns there too. Has been selected to the national team on numerous occasions due to his domestic performances and has failed each and every time.

Malik, between time of his debut and 2009 was not any different to what is now as a batsman. Only difference was that he didnt play any major overseas matches and his successes came on the subcontinent. Since 2009 international bowlers have woken up to his deficiencies and you wont see many bowlers pitching the ball upto him, not unless the ball is swinging or seaming.

What I can't fathom is why people fail to see this???????
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I think he will not get out to steyn 14 times that's for sure.
And i think we are too harsh on our batsmen in this last decade. They ALL (without exception) get exposed when we tour England or Australia or a South Africa. Let's face it we play these teams once or twice a decade now and in between guys like hafeez who would never make a first eleven of Pakistan in normal times become automatic selections. I don't really care much for the t20 format, but for me Malik when he is back to form will be an asset in the middle order. His failings are quite clear to me.
 
Pete Rose said:
If it works for Umar Akmal, then why not the others.
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forget the domestic leagues for time being, Umar averages 5 runs per innings more than Malik and is around 7/8 years younger.
Umar also hasn't been averaging 17 runs per innings over the last 5 years.
 
He was very fluidic with his stroke play and strike rotation, he never played stuttering knocks (5 dots then a pressure releasing 4) like Shehzad/Misbah/Hafiz. He maintained tempo, looked busy at crease, rotated strike from the word go.

His stats may look below par today, he has deteriorated a lot but you will fail to spot a single innings of his which led to pressure on batsmen at other end when he was permanent in the team. He was not over shadowed by Yousuf/Younus/Inzimam.

IMO he is best Pakistani fielder. Can field anywhere, Most athletic.
 
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Dhoni and Raina appear to be modern day equivalent of Inzi and Malik in Pakistani context. Malik was a different beast under Inzi, just like Raina and Jadeja under Dhoni.
 
Tera Gawaandi said:
Malik was a different beast under Inzi, just like Raina and Jadeja under Dhoni.
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Because Inzamam let him flourish and didn;t hold grudges or bias against a youngster. Even in early days of Malik's captaincy, he was doing great. It all got worse after he was unfairly stripped of captaincy. Ever since then, he's never enjoyed a proper run at the right batting positions.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Because Inzamam let him flourish and didn;t hold grudges or bias against a youngster. Even in early days of Malik's captaincy, he was doing great. It all got worse after he was unfairly stripped of captaincy. Ever since then, he's never enjoyed a proper run at the right batting positions.
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He has, but he hasn't done very well.
 
Needs to be given a consistent role, we need a bit of experience going forward so can't have a team full of kids.
I think he would actually be a decent player in our t20 format.
And I know he will be picked in the ODI or the t20 squad very soon.
He's done well for Hobart hurricanes, because he's been a consistent selection thus consistent performance.
 
Shoaib Malik darling of Pakistan cricket.. Hahahahahahaha
More like the meera of lollywood..
Abhi tou mai jawan hoon
 
Can't believe there is so much support for 'Malik the terrible'
 
Him and Kamran Akmal are singlehandedly responsible for us losing 3 tournaments. I.e the champions trophy 2013, the t20 worldcups 2012,2014.
Dont know what sins we have committed as a country that we deserve such torture.
 
waleed88 said:
Him and Kamran Akmal are singlehandedly responsible for us losing 3 tournaments. I.e the champions trophy 2013, the t20 worldcups 2012,2014.
Dont know what sins we have committed as a country that we deserve such torture.
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Two players can't lose you something single handedly. Seems to be a maths issue. Which might explain overall quality of post.
 
Pete Rose said:
Two players can't lose you something single handedly. Seems to be a maths issue. Which might explain overall quality of post.
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Single handed represents their inability to bat at any stage of the innings costing us most of the games in the tournaments I mentioned. It is a metaphor and can be taken in the literal meaning as well.

I.e they were so inept that it was as if they were batting singlehandedly.
 
Not the most naturally gifted batsman, but one of the most all round batsman in the last decade or so from Pakistan, in the sense that he is a very good player of spin, greatest runner between the wickets I've ever seen, rotates the strike effortlessly and can slog big when needed. Not many batsmen have all of these qualities.

Inzi wasn't a very good runner
Yousuf was a reckless runner and wasn't a great slogger
Younis is just a pathetic ODI batsman
Misbah can't rotate, isn't the best player of spin and can't slog lately
Umar Akmal isn't as good against spin

In that sense, yes, Malik is/was one of the most gifted batsman to come out of Pakistan in last 15 years. Still under achieved, but extremely talented. On top of that he's a great fielder and a handy bowler.

He's been in great form of late and has played cricket in Australia. He should definitely be part of the world cup squad.
 
Silly Point said:
Not the most naturally gifted batsman, but one of the most all round batsman in the last decade or so from Pakistan, in the sense that he is a very good player of spin, greatest runner between the wickets I've ever seen, rotates the strike effortlessly and can slog big when needed. Not many batsmen have all of these qualities.

Inzi wasn't a very good runner
Yousuf was a reckless runner and wasn't a great slogger
Younis is just a pathetic ODI batsman
Misbah can't rotate, isn't the best player of spin and can't slog lately
Umar Akmal isn't as good against spin

In that sense, yes, Malik is/was one of the most gifted batsman to come out of Pakistan in last 15 years. Still under achieved, but extremely talented. On top of that he's a great fielder and a handy bowler.

He's been in great form of late and has played cricket in Australia. He should definitely be part of the world cup squad.
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Excellent post. Very unbiased, thoughtful and accurate.
 
Malik is the kind of player every team likes to have in the side because of the overall package that he represents. With Malik you know what you're getting. An experienced top order batsman whose strenth lies in chasing targets with excellent strike rotation, 8-10 overs of quality off spin and a dependable athletic fielder in the covers.
For this reason he is sold like hot cakes throughout the world. I remember reading that he has played in t20 cricket in every league in the world!
I'd say Malik started the trend of utility players that are so common in world cricket today. The true lion of Sialkot, the son of Punjab, Shoaib Malik.


:mc
 
Let's hope he performs well tonight to make a strong case for the 2015 world cup.
 
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