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Shoaib Malik : The most naturally gifted Pakistani batsman of recent times?

Yes there is no other choice, after world cup he has to lead youngesters like sohaib, fawad, fakhar, babar, harris, ahmed etc and a deputy should be also kept to malik to groom him and make him learn from malik maybe sarfaraz or harris.
 
My squad for WC 2015:-
1. Ahmed shahzad
2. Fakhar zaman
3. Mohammad hafeez
4. Shoaib malik
5. Harris sohail
6. Sohaib maqsood
7. Sarfaraz ahmed (WK)
8. Shahid afridi (C)
9. Anwar ali
10. Junaid khan
11. Mohammad irfan
12. Sadaf hussain
13. Shahzad azam
14. Saeed ajmal/ any other spiner if saeed is not effective after action change
15. Babar azam
 
Sandeep said:
Malik is an Indian bully.. Always loves our bowlers.. unfortunately goes missing against better attacks.
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Exactly

A rubbish player really.Performed only against lesser oppositions.I will stop watching Pakistan if he is given chance again
 
A must read for the hate infected fans.

MMHS said:
Nobody in current PAK team understands the batting concepts of LOs better than Malik. In last 15 years, probably only 2 batsmen batted better than Malik at prime in middle order for PAK. World Cup Final or street match, one has to know how to play at No. 4 or 5 & how to build innings if the overs are counted. Malik knows how to build the LO innings, pace up & finish. May be he isn't good enough now for Internationals (I don't know, haven't seen him recently), but, he can "teach" the PAK middle order players how to play in middle overs.

I feel, most people has wrong concept of AUS wickets. These are beautiful batting wickets, were never a mine field. AUS wickets are fast with good & even bounce, balls come here with perfectly even pace & bounce. Any batsman, if set 'll enjoy batting on those wickets. At the same time, if bowlers with pace & swing bents their back or spinners give it a bit flight, they 'll get wickets. Only type of batsmen who 'll suffer in AUS are those who builds on grinding bowlers & the medium pacers - you can't play defensive cricket in AUS. Even in 70s, 80s or 90s those wickets were great for cricket, but those days, Aussie grounds were BIG (one has to send the ball into crowd to hit a six & the grounds were large for Aussie rules football) & the outfields were not that fast, which made the matches at least 10-15% low scoring then say subcontinent or WI. Even in late 70s, Viv Richards scored at a SR of almost 100 in AUS. NZ wickets are very good batting tracks, if they don't keep grass (they won't during WC), these are smallest grounds on earth, unless some grass is left on the track, potential 700 runs match.

Be it AUS/NZ - a No. 4/5 batsman has to rotate strike, build partnership & accelerate later, which Malik is very good at. Even in BD wickets, against BD or Afghanistan - every PAK batsmen showed only 2 mode.........Bang or Ops!!!!!!! Even on mine fields, I back Malik to rotate strike, because he believes in that & looks for singles, which not many does in PAK. PAK has 2 matches at Adelaide & 2 major match in NZ - Malik 'll out perform Misbah, YK, Asad or even Fawad if played at 5 on those tracks. If Hafeez doesn't bowl, any given day I 'll take Malik.

I am not sure, how clean is Malik's action oblate, but, if it's clear, he must go ahead of YK, Asad & Fawad. Ideally should be ahead of Hafeez the batsman as well, but somehow PAK THICK TANK is convinced that Hafeez can play only as a batsman & spell bound to open with him. Malik gets undue criticism in PP for politics & lack of integrity, but had he been coming from Lahore/Karachi, I am sure the wind would have blown opposite direction. I think, it was too much for the "elites" in PAK that a Sialkot boy at 24 'll lead the side - but in reality, Malik is far, far better LO Captain than any of whom PCB tried in last 15 years, barring Butt.
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With Hafeez suspended as a bowler, Shobby is a far better batting/fielding/finishing player any given day!
 
Fire Bird said:
And Unlucky Sharma is the most naturally gifted Indian bowler ever. :misbah
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Ishant Sharma is most naturally gifted Indian bowler i have ever seen. He shows little glimpse of his earlier debutant recently. I feel he is not being promoted properly given the process of BCCI and Pace Academy, otherwise he would have been groomed better under the presence of Wasim Akram and Imran Khan.

He is fast bowler, should be given license to attack worrying about not runs he leaks. Dhoni is good tactician, but defensive though.

freelance_cricketer said:
With Hafeez suspended as a bowler, Shobby is a far better batting/fielding/finishing player any given day!
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Everything is coming up nicely at the right time. :jf
 
Fallen King said:
Ishant Sharma is most naturally gifted Indian bowler i have ever seen. He shows little glimpse of his earlier debutant recently. I feel he is not being promoted properly given the process of BCCI and Pace Academy, otherwise he would have been groomed better under the presence of Wasim Akram and Imran Khan.

He is fast bowler, should be given license to attack worrying about not runs he leaks. Dhoni is good tactician, but defensive though.



Everything is coming up nicely at the right time. :jf
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I can see that. But I don't think its Dhoni who spoiled Sharma though. Its that no good Venky "I bowl leg spin from a long run up" Prasad that ruined him. His coaching methods have basically set India back to the 90s in his glorious trundler image. We had a few good swing bowlers that came up in the mid 2000s such as Pathan, Balaji, RP Singh, etc. All gone to waste. If something is not done, I see Yadav, Shami and Aaron going the same way. Bhuvi is the best we got. He is basically a poor man's Zaheer Khan.
 
Fire Bird said:
I can see that. But I don't think its Dhoni who spoiled Sharma though. Its that no good Venky "I bowl leg spin from a long run up" Prasad that ruined him. His coaching methods have basically set India back to the 90s in his glorious trundler image. We had a few good swing bowlers that came up in the mid 2000s such as Pathan, Balaji, RP Singh, etc. All gone to waste. If something is not done, I see Yadav, Shami and Aaron going the same way. Bhuvi is the best we got. He is basically a poor man's Zaheer Khan.
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Fair enough. I remember Waqar Younis used to leak too many runs in the past, yet he was always encouraged to bowl fast and faster. Like i said, it is policy of BCCI, its official team including coaches, and Pace Academy.

I remember during 80's that Pakistani fast bowlers were told by coaches to discipline their bowling. God bless Imran Khan for coming at the time totally defied the advice of coaches, and urged fast bowlers to stick with pace and not worry about runs. Imran Khan gave huge boost to Wasim Akram and Waqar Younus. Imran Khan never was tactician and not good as Javed Miandad, but he was good leader though, and changed the policy that forever changed the face of Pakistan cricket as we know it.

90's era was testament of witnessing the flood of fast bowlers thank to the policy coined in 80's. :jf
 
Fallen King said:
Fair enough. I remember Waqar Younis used to leak too many runs in the past, yet he was always encouraged to bowl fast and faster. Like i said, it is policy of BCCI, its official team including coaches, and Pace Academy.

I remember during 80's that Pakistani fast bowlers were told by coaches to discipline their bowling. God bless Imran Khan for coming at the time totally defied the advice of coaches, and urged fast bowlers to stick with pace and not worry about runs. Imran Khan gave huge boost to Wasim Akram and Waqar Younus. Imran Khan never was tactician and not good as Javed Miandad, but he was good leader though, and changed the policy that forever changed the face of Pakistan cricket as we know it.

90's era was testament of witnessing the flood of fast bowlers thank to the policy coined in 80's. :jf
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True. India needs a captain like Imran. Dhoni started as a maverick but he too couldn't buck the system because of the existing philosophy, bad coaching, and also the bowlers who couldn't influence Dhoni. I have high hopes for Kohli but he too is facing a insurmountable task and runs the risk of being another Dhoni.
 
Fire Bird said:
True. India needs a captain like Imran. Dhoni started as a maverick but he too couldn't buck the system because of the existing philosophy, bad coaching, and also the bowlers who couldn't influence Dhoni. I have high hopes for Kohli but he too is facing a insurmountable task and runs the risk of being another Dhoni.
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Kohli is batsman. He will do what his previous successors did in the past. Only one fast bowler can understand other fast bowler.

Imran Khan, Wasim Akram were captains, so their policies were bound to be pro-fast bowlers.
 
Fallen King said:
Kohli is batsman. He will do what his previous successors did in the past. Only one fast bowler can understand other fast bowler.

Imran Khan, Wasim Akram were captains, so their policies were bound to be pro-fast bowlers.
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Malik is better than Kohli
 
Fallen King said:
Kohli is batsman. He will do what his previous successors did in the past. Only one fast bowler can understand other fast bowler.

Imran Khan, Wasim Akram were captains, so their policies were bound to be pro-fast bowlers.
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Yup. Unfortunately our fast bowlers cant even get a permanent place in the squad let alone have the brains and will power of Imran. May the trundling continue :misbah
 
This team needed Hafeez more than malik-

1 We are going to have Afridi at 8. so we will miss hafeez who is by far far far the better bowler
2 Malik is another who takes his time to get going. How many of those do we need ?????????????????????????????????????????????????
3 Malik wont open so we will have to make 2 changes to get him in - means kami/azhar in to open

We do not want the aloof captain back
 
W63L35 said:
Turning points....... how many fans rember these knocks.... in his last 70+ international innings?

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

Average of 17.91 in last 73 innings .. even with 11 not outs.

Great entertainment for the opposition... and parosies like you!
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Hahaha- this is worse than what I thought it would be- what a bloody shambles- How can anybody support this guy

The thing is we need a 5th bowler- with haris the 6th option- so he is going to get a go.

Unbelievablely distressing.
 
salman butt was always much more naturally gifted and talented than shoaib malik.

Not going to lie I sort of miss Salman Butt - the cricketer - not his other stuff. I miss having a somewhat competent opener who played beautiful drives and was still improving every day. I miss having a good opener plain and simple. If we had a clone of him - a non matchfixing version of him I'd easily include him in the squad over most of these hacks like hacksood selfiehack hackridi hackfiq hackmal etc.
 
AmirFutureWasim said:
salman butt was always much more naturally gifted and talented than shoaib malik.

Not going to lie I sort of miss Salman Butt - the cricketer - not his other stuff. I miss having a somewhat competent opener who played beautiful drives and was still improving every day. I miss having a good opener plain and simple. If we had a clone of him - a non matchfixing version of him I'd easily include him in the squad over most of these hacks like hacksood selfiehack hackridi hackfiq hackmal etc.
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Butt is right up there. Its always been between him and Shobby.
 
Malik could have been something different if Woolmer kept him at #3 and denied YK a spot in the team. But selector/media pressure meant that YK had to be in the squad, and the only spot he could play was 3, and so Malik ended up batting all over the place. I don't think we shuffled anyone as much as we shuffled Malik. He tried to be a team man but he paid the price. Because he was simply not good enough at any other position.
 
Nevertheless, then he started sucking horribly. He was extremely bad after his good patch! A walking wicket.
 
zulfiqar said:
Malik could have been something different if Woolmer kept him at #3 and denied YK a spot in the team. But selector/media pressure meant that YK had to be in the squad, and the only spot he could play was 3, and so Malik ended up batting all over the place. I don't think we shuffled anyone as much as we shuffled Malik. He tried to be a team man but he paid the price. Because he was simply not good enough at any other position.
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Malik occupied the number 3 spot right up until he was dropped from captaincy thanks to Misbah, MoYo and Afridi's antics.

Unfortunately, he has become another lost talent among countless others in Pakistan cricket
 
He is no way our best or most talented batsmen, infact he used to be a genuine bowler, but we NEED to realise that this young team needs a Shoaib Malik with his experience and ability to bat under pressure. He has done well in domestic cricket world wide in last 18 months and its not as if we're producing world beaters with guys like Saad Nasim.
 
Bullet Drive said:
No doubt in my mind he would have chased this total down.
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In this game maybe yes, because he is the best against spin bowling and Bangalis have like 5 or 6 spinners bowling in parts. But in general Malik is a smart customer who knows how to build an innings unlike many of our young batsmen who get starts and then throw it away.

Our people do not realise that these are the best we have got. It's either Malik or the likes of Saad Nasim. Take your pick.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
In this game maybe yes, because he is the best against spin bowling and Bangalis have like 5 or 6 spinners bowling in parts. But in general Malik is a smart customer who knows how to build an innings unlike many of our young batsmen who get starts and then throw it away.

Our people do not realise that these are the best we have got. It's either Malik or the likes of Saad Nasim. Take your pick.
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Thing is I watch domestic regularly and I know that Nasim isn't the best we have.

M.Nawaz is much much better.
 
Can't say if he is the most naturally gifted or not but one thing i can definitely say is that pakistan team needs him desperately for his experience, fielding and all round skills.
 
Simply cannot agree with anyone telling me that Shobby doesn't deserve a place in this team. The batting is just so hopeless.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Simply cannot agree with anyone telling me that Shobby doesn't deserve a place in this team. The batting is just so hopeless.
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He'll do well for Pakistan if he is given a proper run at the right batting position. The problem with Pakistanis is that they expect a senior player to score hundreds straight away. Unfortunately that's not always possible and impossible at number 6/7 where he has been batting for the last 4/5 years in limited overs.
 
We are living in a professional era where you pick players on utility. You play to win and not experiment. Domestic cricket is for experiment. Practice matches are for experiment. T20s are for experiments. But not freaking ODIs. You cannot afford to lose matches to Bangladesh by experimenting.
 
No bad feelings FC bhai but this useless thread needs to be closed.
 
Proving his credentials in the ongoing T20 tournament.


I am wondering for how long are people gonna keep pretending he doesn't deserve to get a recall.
 
[MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION] has always been a great judge of cricketer. U should post more regularly bro.
 
mighty talent this Guy is. Freelancer could see what us Pakistan fans and the PCB have been failing to understand for such long time :kohli
 
the Great Khan said:
amazing 150 yesterday..
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What I fail to understand is why the wider cricketing community doesn't appreciate Malik's ability.

Other than a few enlightened posters and a few non-Pakistani trolls who hope for a Pakistani eleven consisting of Malik's and Afridi's so they can laugh at our humiliation, nobody seems to talk about him.

It will be a travesty when the ICC Hall of fame committee ignore his 8's, 15's and the occasional 24 when they consider inductees fives year post Malik retirement.
 
miandadrules said:
What I fail to understand is why the wider cricketing community doesn't appreciate Malik's ability.

Other than a few enlightened posters and a few non-Pakistani trolls who hope for a Pakistani eleven consisting of Malik's and Afridi's so they can laugh at our humiliation, nobody seems to talk about him.

It will be a travesty when the ICC Hall of fame committee ignore his 8's, 15's and the occasional 24 when they consider inductees fives year post Malik retirement.
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lol stop trying to copy 'the Great Khan'. You can't do it like him.
 
Bullet Drive said:
lol stop trying to copy 'the Great Khan'. You can't do it like him.
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Oh no you've dicredited me!

But before you post again why don't you refer to the Malik support thread and check the corresponding dates to see how long our appreciation for Malik has been going on.
 
miandadrules said:
What I fail to understand is why the wider cricketing community doesn't appreciate Malik's ability.

Other than a few enlightened posters and a few non-Pakistani trolls who hope for a Pakistani eleven consisting of Malik's and Afridi's so they can laugh at our humiliation, nobody seems to talk about him.

It will be a travesty when the ICC Hall of fame committee ignore his 8's, 15's and the occasional 24 when they consider inductees fives year post Malik retirement.
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travesty?, lol listen mate they've already created a separate hall of fame just for him..only haters like you havent read that particular news. i believe saj reported on it..
 
The most funny thing about the thread is the thread title.

The op has no clue if he thinks Shoaib is the most "naturally gifted batsman".

He is a bowler who became a makeshift batsman. He has many flaws, especially outside offstump and of course against the short ball.

He did improve briefly when Bob Woolmer was coach but as they say bad habits dont die quickly, and so shifted back to his dodgy technique soon after.

Sure he has some attributes like playing well under pressure with cool mind but after 15 years Pakistan cricket should move on and invest someone with more potential instead of recycling these have beens.
 
Point remains,

what more he needs to do to get selected? Its pretty stupid to assume he's gonna fail again and hence not grant him the chance he so richly deserves.
 
miandadrules said:
What I fail to understand is why the wider cricketing community doesn't appreciate Malik's ability.

Other than a few enlightened posters and a few non-Pakistani trolls who hope for a Pakistani eleven consisting of Malik's and Afridi's so they can laugh at our humiliation, nobody seems to talk about him.

It will be a travesty when the ICC Hall of fame committee ignore his 8's, 15's and the occasional 24 when they consider inductees fives year post Malik retirement.
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As a T20 player he's appreciated and well regarded which is why he has played in Australia and England regularly.
 
After his brilliant double ton in the last T20 domestic match, it is expected that Malik is preparing to hit a 400 alone in the next match.

Sources close to Malik said he's preparing day and night to achieve the above mentioned goal, and has bought a dedicated buffalo for fresh milk supply. This will help him in keeping up the protein and calcium intake requirements.
 
After his brilliant double ton in the last T20 domestic match, it is expected that Malik is preparing to hit a 400 alone in the next match.

Sources close to Malik said he's preparing day and night to achieve the above mentioned goal, and has bought a dedicated buffalo for fresh milk supply. This will help him in keeping up the protein and calcium intake requirements. The buffalo is being a fed a special genetic modified feed developed by Malik himself. The former Pakistan captain is expected to market the feed to poor farmers in Pakistan once he has achieved his world record goal.

"Ive always been a lover of buffaloes. Such amazing animals. I'm hoping to sell Malik Buffaloe scent in the future so my loyal fans can carry a part of me around with them at all times."

A source close to the ICC has also informed us that Malik will be awarded an honorary award for his services to cricket and humanity in general. The accolades keep coming but Malik continues his march towards history. After securing a multi billion pound contract with Real Madrid, Manchester United and Bayern munich to help promote their upcoming Asia tours, Malik is known to be in talks with the BCCI. Sources indicate the two will be setting up Maliks world cricket academy programme to help spread the game to all parts. Stay tuned to Pakpassion for more Malik related news and views. Legends never die, and Maliks live forever.
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changed and added :) [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION]
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Point remains,

what more he needs to do to get selected? Its pretty stupid to assume he's gonna fail again and hence not grant him the chance he so richly deserves.
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It's intriguing the Pakistani players you chose to support.

Your playing a great tune on the fans of these players.

Quite the melody.
 
miandadrules said:
It's intriguing the Pakistani players you chose to support.

Your playing a great tune on the fans of these players.

Quite the melody.
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I don't support individuals but appreciate the good things they do which helps me remain an unbiased and honest analyst.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
I don't belong to any group of fans but i must admit Malik fans are usually quite level headed and progressive people.
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I'm not saying your a fan. What I am saying that the ride you take the respective fans in amusing.

Afridi, Malik....whose next?

Imran Farhat?
 
miandadrules said:
I'm not saying your a fan. What I am saying that the ride you take the respective fans in amusing.

Afridi, Malik....whose next?

Imran Farhat?
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I already have an Imran Farhat Vol.2 support thread.

lol


But then, i also have support threads for Ishant Sharma & Dhawan and supported Jadeja when he hadn't come off age.
 
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