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Shocking attitude of some people on the Cameron Bancroft ball-tampering incident!

The thing is the so called tampering was deemed so minor that they decided to keep the same ball, and also it doesn't seem to have affected the match with the way SA are going. I feel bad for the players, they are going to extreme lengths. I don't think the team had foreseen this happening all in just 24 hours. Life can be so fickle.
 
This isn't about performing enhancing drugs. It's about ball tampering. All teams take part in it. Smith and Australia were caught. They should be punished and we should move on. Australia are free to do what they want but for me it's a part of the game but I don't like it at all as it is cheating.

I know a lot of posters are saying ball tampering is common and prevalent - but I find this argument void for lack of evidence - especially in international games.

There are cameras everywhere, umpires check the ball every so often and most forms of cheating are now known. No wonder DuPlessis etc got caught when they tried it.

There could be some more innovative ways being used - but where is the proof it is prevalent?
 
I know a lot of posters are saying ball tampering is common and prevalent - but I find this argument void for lack of evidence - especially in international games.

There are cameras everywhere, umpires check the ball every so often and most forms of cheating are now known. No wonder DuPlessis etc got caught when they tried it.

There could be some more innovative ways being used - but where is the proof it is prevalent?


They are finding a way to get away with it that's why. Bancroft was clearly trying to hide it. I'm sure other teams do the same.
 
I also believe other teams do it in some way, however more subtly. The difference was this was caught on camera, even then they kept the ball as it remained relatively unchanged.
 
Reaction in Australia also tells you the mentality of their people in that sportsmanship and playing the game fairly is regarded very highly.

I think the last thing they expected was for their players to be cheating...

Meanwhile we celebrate a player for dancing on the pitch or biting the ball..
 
Reaction in Australia also tells you the mentality of their people in that sportsmanship and playing the game fairly is regarded very highly.

I think the last thing they expected was for their players to be cheating...

Meanwhile we celebrate a player for dancing on the pitch or biting the ball..

We do take sportsmanship very seriously we are a sporting nation we have won more Olympics gold medals than some countries and for a coutnry with a small population that is amazing.

That is why the reaction by the Aussie public has been so vengeful, yes ball tampering has been going on for a while now everyone does it but this was a disgrace.
 
I grew up when the 1992 ball tampering allegations were levelled up against our team during that year.

I still feel there so much ignorance about the issue regarding the ball tampering and reverse swing. I know the main secret for reversing the ball and it requires tampering the ball (unless it’s perfect conditions).
I don’t have any problem with it actually and every major team indulges in it. It makes Cricket a much better sport.

However the big red line should be using foreign objects on the ball. I have made this clear so many times, not just now but over the years. Not just does it smack of desperation but it also gives the reverse swing art a bad name.

So just to make it clear the Aussies should have firm punishment - 1 Test ban and a fine is sufficient for the culprits whoever was involved.

Finally this is a forum and not everyone has tunnel vision. We can discuss an issue in many ways and especially if someone has extensive knowledge over 2 decades on it and thus bringing one of the most controversial issues that has always ignited debate.
 
This is not a usual case of ball tampering Collectively the captain, vc and coach as well as several others are involved in actively trying to cheat but also when the cameras spotted this sending out messages to hide their dirty deed by lying through their teeth All this on the back of telling the opposition that they had crossed the line

In the recent past its always been done by the odd person and not as premedidated as this where several leadership people are involved and meticulously discussed and planned

This is wrong on so many levels hence the outrage
 
Few things to point out here. The rules from my understanding permit using natural methods to maintain or enhance the state of the ball but not hasten it's degradation. And I think that's why there's much more furore over this incident that the previous ones.

Most of the previous ones involved using gum/lollies to enhance the shiny side of the ball, while this (along with the infamous Faf zipper), was deliberately used to degrade the rough side of the ball. I can confirm have played as a bowler that degradation of the rough side, especially any movement of the seam in particular is what hastens the onset of reverse swing. The fact that this action was so deliberately planned out during lunch and rubber stamped by the 'leadership team', paints the Aussies in the worst possible light.

Yes, Pakistan have done it in the past as have other teams; however, there's no doubt in my eyes that it has reduced a lot in the present day thanks to cameras in particular. It's very hard to pull this crap anymore.

Secondly, the Aussies have shown themselves up as the worst hypocrites in the world game. They push the line, headbut it, have their innocent coach Lehmann ask the crowd to sledge Broad bad enough to make him cry and go home, be pulled up for cheating in the past and push it away as a one-time thing (2008 Sydney, Brainfade).etc. Their record is abysmal and easily the world of any major cricketing nation and they have the gall to cry like babies when the shoe is on the other foot.

The fact that this happened the day after they made an official complaint about the crowd for disgraceful behaviour is the most beautiful symmetry I've seen. Sadly, they wont be in Pakistan anytime soon, but I hope Indian crowds give them the absolute worst.
 
NO!

Australia and New Zealand are proud, civilised countries , and a premeditated cheat cannot occupy the highest office in the land.

Many of my female friends play hockey well into their fifties. And the sportsmanship side of sport is paramount - not victory.
I was waiting when that would come up
 
It's always systematic.

Imran used to tell Wasim and Waqar to scuff up the ball. Everyone did it together so the ball reversed faster.

He literally said, "So I got the 12th man to bring on a bottle top and it started to move around a lot. I occasionally scratched the side (of the ball) and lifted the seam."

IK and bottle caps were well known even back then. Pringle tried it and had Pakistani batsmen in trouble as well. But that's old era without cameras, You can't get away with such blatant cheating any more. That's why we see so many incidents coming in light. Cameras will catch many now.

Events happening 25 years back can't be used to justify the same behavior right now.
 
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