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Should Babar Azam take bold decision to drop Shadab Khan from the Playing XI?

Usama should only go in as a wicket taker, not to limit runs or bowl economically
S Khan should also not be dropped after falling victim to bumrahs reverse swing, although he doesn't have the strengh to clear India boundaries. He is still a better batter than Usama

Mir should be on reserve for the 20th and then play on the 23rd if needed
 
Usama should only go in as a wicket taker, not to limit runs or bowl economically
S Khan should also not be dropped after falling victim to bumrahs reverse swing, although he doesn't have the strengh to clear India boundaries. He is still a better batter than Usama

Mir should be on reserve for the 20th and then play on the 23rd if needed
shadabs batting since the start of Asia cup 2023

3, 4, 6, 3, 32, 2,

the 32 was vs netherlands

surely usama mir can score single digits so i dont see the advantage of shadab as hes not taking wickets either
 
Shadab now needs to do the noble thing to get Abrar, the reserve, into the playing 11...I am talking about the arm breaking scene in Escape to Victory (hope the team have seen that film)!
 

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First of all management should remove shadab from the Vice Captaincy role.

Because this is the main cause on which he gets into the squad all the time.
 
Dropping Shadab is common sense, also his whole attitude treating the game like its a local club game on a Sunday afternoon.
 
Shadab is what happens when someone starts believing his own hype. He was hyped to the moon as a superstar that could win the game with bat, bowl and in the field.


A proper bits and pieces club level cricketer. Only in the side since he is friends with the captain.
 
I'd be surprised if Shadab plays against Australia, especially with Usama Mir in the squad.

Bear in mind also Usama is no mug with the bat.

Where Usama is not up to Shadab's level is fielding.
 
Usama should only go in as a wicket taker, not to limit runs or bowl economically
S Khan should also not be dropped after falling victim to bumrahs reverse swing, although he doesn't have the strengh to clear India boundaries. He is still a better batter than Usama

Mir should be on reserve for the 20th and then play on the 23rd if needed
I find it funny how indian posters are calling off cutters as reverse swing. But than again, they got fast bowlers just now, so just learning the correct terminologies will take time
 
I am going to answer you based on the fact you are actually looking to understand human psyche and simply not playing around.

There are 4 things in any argument.

Opinion, Delusions, Statistics and Dishonesty.

Firstly, opinions are opinions. They are completely subjective and depends on the person uttering the opinions. They might have some evidence based on events but they are not embedded in stone. For instance, you could say my opinion is Babar greater than Tendulkar because of x, y and z. It would be your opinion and your right to have it. It may very well be a false opinion. It might not even have any credibility or weight because it is against everything you see on the cricket pitch. But it is still an opinion.

What is the difference between opinion and delusion? When facts show it is not the case but a person still clings on to his beliefs and opinions because of whatever reason. Multiple conflicting evidence could be offered but the person would stick to his beliefs. For instance, you could say Babar Azam greater than Tendulkar because of x, y and z and even if a and b evidence is presented to counter that claim, you still cling to the belief that Babar > Tendulkar. That is classic example of delusion.

Thirdly, Statistics. Statistics are neither biased, misconstrued, or manipulated or skewed. They are just a bunch of figures that if you put in a certain place, you arrive at an end result. The "operator behind the stats" is the person who is biased about the "type of output he wants from the stats". If he wants a certain result he can manipulate the stats to show the type of result he wants.

For example, Babar > Tendulkar because of x, y and z but a and b is presented to counter that claim, the person presents variable c which is the only variable that MIGHT make Babar = Tendulkar in a certain specified condition and setting. Next is to present the result in such a way that people only look at variable C and forget about A and B and suddenly lo and behold Babar = Tendulkar.

Finally dishonesty. This is completely operator dependent. After presented the statistics in the way that Variable C takes precedence and establishing statistical superiority of C, we introduce a variable D which would put variable C+D combined to be better than original claim. This variable is often very weak but has to be put because the "operator was looking for a certain end result and he had to statistically alter his studies in a certain way to make sure that original claim was completely valid and not dependent on C only.

For example Babar = Tendulkar in setting C (ignoring settings A and B) , but during a certain timeframe C+D combined was better than the original claim. This would mean Babar is for instance better than Tendulkar in UAE pitches and then add variable D (Babar at 25 had better average than Tendulkar at 25) and hence proven that Babar > Tendulkar.

In short,

Opinions - Subjective with some evidence which can either be false or true.
Delusions - Subjective and contrary to factual evidence and persist despite evidence pointing otherwise.
Statistics - Evidence based collections of facts and figures that operator uses to get an end result (unless they are double blind or triple blind).
Dishonesty - Evidence based collections of facts and figures that are manipulated to get an end result.

I hope that clears it up.
Bro , are u a doctor or phd holder in
Stat's.i can see the detailings of a professional maths degree holder.i wonder how a science student still has this much. My own bro is a doctor and he forgot almost everything about maths .
 
Babar has no guts to take aggressive decisions. Even it reflects from his captaincy at the field
 
In the 14 ODIs that Shadab has played in 2023, he averages 19 with the bat and 42 with the bowl. Has only picked up 15 wickets in those 14 matches, 4 of which came in one match vs Nepal.

Great alrounder.

:salute
For a second i read 19 with the ball and 42 with the bat
 
I find it funny how indian posters are calling off cutters as reverse swing. But than again, they got fast bowlers just now, so just learning the correct terminologies will take time
This once again shows your arrogance despite being clueless.

I vividly remember it was an off cutter to rizwan and a seam up delivery to shadab. Anyhow just to confirm, i did just revisit the footage of shadab's dismissal and it was indeed a seam-up ball which straightned a bit despite angling in.

I don't even find it funny anymore how clueless you are and how you keep coming up with such rubbish posts time and again.
 
Dropping this overhyped bits and pieces player might be a bold decision only from Babar's perspective as he has to drop his best mate.

But a very sane and logical decision for teams future prospects in this World Cup.

It is crystal clear that Babar has continuously failed to put the team and country first.
 
Shadab or Nawaz should be dropped no doubt. The next match against the Aussies is not an easy one and you need a specialist spinner who has some variations to create some problems for the batter. Otherwise, they are gonna feast on these part-timer specialists.
 
shadabs batting since the start of Asia cup 2023

3, 4, 6, 3, 32, 2,

the 32 was vs netherlands

surely usama mir can score single digits so i dont see the advantage of shadab as hes not taking wickets either
This is all purely based on the psl and the hundred
If we're going to pick players based on domestic t20 cricket where the hell is azam khan
 
This is all purely based on the psl and the hundred
If we're going to pick players based on domestic t20 cricket where the hell is azam khan
What you talking about this is asia cup
It's international cricket and recognised by icc. full strength international teams playing each other
 
Not just Azam Khan but where the hell is Sarfraz, Sharjeel, Imad, Amir?
Sarfraz is old, he's a good player but he doesn't have much left in the tank, also despite his age at 36, I don't think he is 36, he's older given the fact he's balding badly and players fake their age by alot. Even if he is 36, how much more does he have left in the tank? Even till 2027 he'll be 40 and he'll be past it. Unless he's Sachin or Dhoni, many players like pointing, inzi, waqar younis started regressing due to age.

Sharjeel sold his country and isn't in selection cards at all.

Agree on imad and Amir. As for azam khan he should have been given a longer rope but haris is doing fine atm, personally I want haris to have a longer rope.
 
These are Shadab's 2023 ODI stats:

14 matches
Runs: 172
Average: 19.11
High Score: 48

Wickets: 15
Average: 42.60
Economy: 5.73

He was once a good player and still brings good energy in the field, but the time has come to try Mir out
 
I think today is the day when Babar will drop Shadab and play Usama hopefully. Shadab has failed to impress and is form is very poor to still keep him.
 
Dropping Shadab was inevitable, but Usama is nothing special. Pakistan has the worst spin attack in the tournament, including Netherlands.
 
Can Usama Mir bat? To me, Bangalore is run fest ground. To me it feels Babar is protecting Shadab from phaita. Usama will have a bad day and then no one will ask to drop Shadab in Chennai.
 
I'd be surprised if Shadab plays against Australia, especially with Usama Mir in the squad.

Bear in mind also Usama is no mug with the bat.

Where Usama is not up to Shadab's level is fielding.

I'd be surprised if Shadab plays against Australia, especially with Usama Mir in the squad.

Yep, he didn’t play against Australia and Usama Mir did.

Bear in mind also Usama is no mug with the bat.

He’s no mug, but he’s not half-decent either. Got out for a DUCK.

Where Usama is not up to Shadab's level is fielding.

Yep defintely not. Dropped Warner on 10. He went on to smash 163.


You should have a job in the PCB.
 
Dropping Shadab was inevitable, but Usama is nothing special. Pakistan has the worst spin attack in the tournament, including Netherlands.
He’s horrible for sure. Nothing good. Even Ajmal at 50 could bowl better.
 
He’s 28, meant to be at the peak of his career but he’s playing like he’s in the twilight of his career.

Zimbabar.
Zimmy boy couldn’t score against NL either. It’s the end of Babar as we know it. Expect him to be “rested”.

Sarfraz is 10000x better than this soft batter.
 
It doesn't matter. Pakistan cricket is done. Like I said 2021/22 T20 WCs were are only chances of ICC silverware for a few decade's. We choked them now wake up to reality.
 
Absolutely nothing bowling from Usama, let me down, even Shadab bowls many lolly pops but atleast he beats batsmen in few balls too, Usama did not even for one ball. And his fielding and batting is atrocious.
 
Everyone wanted Shadab replaced with Usama Mir with the thought he couldn't possibly be worse than Shadab.

But Usama Mir showed us the way, The Pakistan Way!
Yep and I can guarantee now everyone calling for Abrar, he will fail big time as well, playing PSL and against C/D teams is not going to tell us how good our players are, but we will take that ranking and tout it
 
If they had to drop someone, it had to be Nawaz, not Shadab who is your out of form lead spinner. Usama cost us the game today with his **** fielding and useless bowling and batting.
 
Yep and I can guarantee now everyone calling for Abrar, he will fail big time as well, playing PSL and against C/D teams is not going to tell us how good our players are, but we will take that ranking and tout it
He’s not gonna fail. I’m not wrong in my assessments.
 
A horror WC debut. Difference was clear to see in both spinners.
Mir was continually bowling width with the odd full toss that made it comfortable for the batsmen, his warner drop also cost us 150+ runs.
Zampa bowled intelligently with good lines, adjusting accordingly for any pre-meditiation. Did a fantastic job at containing in the middle and then the two key scalps of ifti and rizwan at the end.

I don't see any way back for Usama tbh, he must be mentally shattered. Door is wide open for Shadab to return, but not at any advantage to us.
 
Mir can’t field , bowl or bat ( he is not a batter look at his domestic record)

Mir dropped a dolly of Warner when he was on 10, conceded 82 runs in 9 overs and scored 0 runs.

No matter what Shadab would’ve done better than that and we might have even won the game.
 
No, Usama is still 100x superior to shadab. I don't rate usama bro, I just know shadab is the worst allrounder on this God damn planet.
100x? :vk1
Shadab is not a bad allrounder, he is NOT an allrounder. He would be far better off if he concentrates fully on his bowling, which when he is in form is superior to Usama’s. His batting has been needlessly hyped up on the back of one PSL season. He is a decent no 8 or 9 and nothing more.
On current form he is as good/bad as Usama. I maintain my opinion, pick either you can’t go wrong/right.
 
Next bold decision,

Drop your accumulator openers and send out your tailenders to actually try and hit the ball in the powerplay
 
100x? :vk1
Shadab is not a bad allrounder, he is NOT an allrounder. He would be far better off if he concentrates fully on his bowling, which when he is in form is superior to Usama’s. His batting has been needlessly hyped up on the back of one PSL season. He is a decent no 8 or 9 and nothing more.
On current form he is as good/bad as Usama. I maintain my opinion, pick either you can’t go wrong/right.
First of, he classifies himself as an allrounder and hypes himself non stop.

Reason he does this allrounder drama is because he's a medicore spinner and the I am a batsmen nonsense is used to justify his place in the team. In reality he's a joke bowler and batter.

Even afridi was honest lol, Afridi always claimed he is just a bowler who can pinch hit, bit afridi is 1000x the player then this clown.

And yes usama is 100x > Shadab. Usama sucks and is terrible but he's > Shadab 😂. Usama can atleast spin and troubled Warner a few times. Sheddy would have given Warner his 200 with those full tosses.
 
This is the classic Pakistani thinking of the grass being greener on the other side.

Decision to drop Shadab was spot on, but Pakistan hasn’t gone further and dropped Nawaz as well as both are fake allrounders and have consistently failed.

Pakistan should have selected Salman Agha instead of Shadab considering this was going to be a run fest. Pakistan always had a long ugly tail.

Moving forward, Pakistan should go with this lineup.

1. Shafique
2. Imam
3. Babar
4. Rizwan
5. Saud
6. Salman Agha
7. Ifty
8. Hassan
9. Shaheen
10. Usama Mir
11. Rauf
 
This is the classic Pakistani thinking of the grass being greener on the other side.

Decision to drop Shadab was spot on, but Pakistan hasn’t gone further and dropped Nawaz as well as both are fake allrounders and have consistently failed.

Pakistan should have selected Salman Agha instead of Shadab considering this was going to be a run fest. Pakistan always had a long ugly tail.

Moving forward, Pakistan should go with this lineup.

1. Shafique
2. Imam
3. Babar
4. Rizwan
5. Saud
6. Salman Agha
7. Ifty
8. Hassan
9. Shaheen
10. Usama Mir
11. Rauf

We don't have options 😂😂. Our management kept our options in reserves.

What a management we have.
 
First of, he classifies himself as an allrounder and hypes himself non stop.

Reason he does this allrounder drama is because he's a medicore spinner and the I am a batsmen nonsense is used to justify his place in the team. In reality he's a joke bowler and batter.

Even afridi was honest lol, Afridi always claimed he is just a bowler who can pinch hit, bit afridi is 1000x the player then this clown.

And yes usama is 100x > Shadab. Usama sucks and is terrible but he's > Shadab 😂. Usama can atleast spin and troubled Warner a few times. Sheddy would have given Warner his 200 with those full tosses.
yup the allrounder nonsense is all propaganda but his bowling is not bad when he is bowling well. Let’s give credit where it’s due. He is a decent LOI bowler when he is in form. nothing special but thats the woeful state of our legspin stocks.
 
yup the allrounder nonsense is all propaganda but his bowling is not bad when he is bowling well. Let’s give credit where it’s due. He is a decent LOI bowler when he is in form. nothing special but thats the woeful state of our legspin stocks.
He's never bowled well unless it's a minnow.

Fans are living in that one special ball to yuvraj in ct 2017 final. People forget how pandya destroyed him and took him to town in that final 😂😂.

He's always been useless.
 
He's never bowled well unless it's a minnow.

Fans are living in that one special ball to yuvraj in ct 2017 final. People forget how pandya destroyed him and took him to town in that final 😂😂.

He's always been useless.
Again not saying he is great but still better than Usama (when on song). I hope I’m wrong but Usama just doesn’t seem to have what it takes to be successful at this level. There is no hustle in his action and as a result he bowls a slow loopy trajectory. That might work on helpful wickets with some guile and variety but he has abysmal control and very little guile. Check his bowling today, he fed Warner with either half volleys or half trackers and at his pace and flight, on these tracks, those balls are only destined for one place - out of the ground.
 
He's never bowled well unless it's a minnow.

Fans are living in that one special ball to yuvraj in ct 2017 final. People forget how pandya destroyed him and took him to town in that final 😂😂.

He's always been useless.
You have not seen much then Shadab was OK in world cup 2019 world cup. He rarely goes for 80 runs even in his worst times in the international matches, on too of that his batting and fielding is much better than Usama. I wanted Shadab dropped for Usama but after having seen Usama in the matches he has got chances in I am changing my mind..
 
Mir was pathetic. I can see why he was selected, he had the most wickets in the last Pakistan Cup, but if he bowls like this again please put Shadab back. At least he can field.
 
Poor guy, what a horrible debut on the world’s largest stage in a crucial game.

He should be given more chances, you can’t drop a man after one game. But maybe not this WC.
 
Let’s be precise about this.

Usama Mir bowled 9-0-82-1, certainly no better than Shadab.

By dropping Warner he cost Pakistan 153 runs.

He scored 0 when he batted.

In short, the haters who hate Shadab Khan because of his self-confidence now look absolutely ridiculous.

It was a terrible option, and it had predictably terrible results.
 
Let’s be precise about this.

Usama Mir bowled 9-0-82-1, certainly no better than Shadab.

By dropping Warner he cost Pakistan 153 runs.

He scored 0 when he batted.

In short, the haters who hate Shadab Khan because of his self-confidence now look absolutely ridiculous.

It was a terrible option, and it had predictably terrible results.

Not really. Shadab had to be dropped and I still won't bring him back
 
Let’s be precise about this.

Usama Mir bowled 9-0-82-1, certainly no better than Shadab.

By dropping Warner he cost Pakistan 153 runs.

He scored 0 when he batted.

In short, the haters who hate Shadab Khan because of his self-confidence now look absolutely ridiculous.

It was a terrible option, and it had predictably terrible results.
wait what? Self confidence?

Its funny how so called senior posters around here dont even post based on what htey watch but just on the basis of feeling.

Shadab is bowling full tosses and cant turn the ball on Indian wickets. IFtikhar has more turn than Shadab. Usama Mir got whacked cause of poor captainn, but Usama was getting more turn compared to all the spinners.

No one hates SHadab personally, they hate his lack of performance. Its not a personal vendetta, they want to drop him based on performance.
 
wait what? Self confidence?

Its funny how so called senior posters around here dont even post based on what htey watch but just on the basis of feeling.

Shadab is bowling full tosses and cant turn the ball on Indian wickets. IFtikhar has more turn than Shadab. Usama Mir got whacked cause of poor captainn, but Usama was getting more turn compared to all the spinners.

No one hates SHadab personally, they hate his lack of performance. Its not a personal vendetta, they want to drop him based on performance.
Ifit chaca is much better bowler than Usama Mir and Shadab, He should be bowling 10 overs like Maxwell. I feel Shadab should be coming back for his batting alone, forget about his bowling. His batting saved us against Netherland, also recently won us a game against Afghanistan as well with the bat.
 
Ifit chaca is much better bowler than Usama Mir and Shadab, He should be bowling 10 overs like Maxwell. I feel Shadab should be coming back for his batting alone, forget about his bowling. His batting saved us against Netherland, also recently won us a game against Afghanistan as well with the bat.
this is why babar is an idiot. He should had used Ifti all the way.
 
I think Abrar would have done better than Shadab and Usama Mir on these wickets.
Both their line and lengths have been missing.

Maybe even worth bringing in Agha Salman for Usama Mir next game.

Feel like bowling stump to stump is the way to go.

Shows something when Ifti is the most economical bowler.
 
Babar should make the bold decision of dropping himself out of the team, such a useless player in all the matches that matters.
 
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