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We all know what Chief Selector Inzamam ul Haq [Chairman, Selection Committee] performed as chief selector. Will he show character and resign himself?
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Will be a knee jerk reaction if this happens.
Selection isn't the issue.
Taking steps like having a 6 team domestic structure is a move in the right direction & is tackling the real issue.
Sacking the captain, sacking the coach, sacking the selectors is hoping for miraculous overnight changes which is never going to happen and isn't the problem in my opinion
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Who else could Inzy have picked?
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Hes as useful as having sarfaraz as the captain; broken clock that's right twice a day. After all this time, he still picked a team with players who are too old for the format, who have no future with the team. If that isn't any indication of the backwards way he thinks about talunnnt then I dont know what is. He brings the team the same backwards mentality of bowing to your seniors. Please tell this guy that cricket isn't tsbleegi jamaat or rishtaydari. This is a professional sport and should be treated as such
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Yes he should be sacked. He doesn't have a vision for the future. He just selects his favourites . I wouldn't trust him to make the right decisions for the next WC cycle.
He should be sacked not for the picks in WC (honestly, I had praised his squad, myself would have picked 13-14 of those), rather he should be sacked for his previous three years, which has created this bottleneck situation.
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If you take into account performances of Pak in last 2 years, you will realize that its not a knee jerk reaction.
Yes.
Few examples of poor selection.
Malik: enough said
Hasnain: no experience and based on what performance
Wahab: played well but was not even in the initial probables. Shows a lack of clarity
Shinwari’s non- selection: he was Pak’s best fast bowler in the last year
Abid Ali: selecting him in initial squad based on a single match
Yasir Shah: selecting him after Shadab’s injury
The list goes on and on...
Few examples of poor selection.
Malik: enough said
Hasnain: no experience and based on what performance
Wahab: played well but was not even in the initial probables. Shows a lack of clarity
Shinwari’s non- selection: he was Pak’s best fast bowler in the last year
Abid Ali: selecting him in initial squad based on a single match
Yasir Shah: selecting him after Shadab’s injury
The list goes on and on...
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No.
Inzi has selected a decent team.
As long as the seniors leave, Pakistan should be good.
Inzi has selected a decent team.
As long as the seniors leave, Pakistan should be good.
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If somebody thinks that sacking Inzi wont solve the issue, then they clearly have not been following the bizarre selections over the last 2 years.
Inzi should resign for the sake of Pakistan cricket!
Inzi should resign for the sake of Pakistan cricket!
I think it’s one of the steps required but won’t ‘solve’ all issues. In my opinion the real issue with PCB is a lack of professionalism.
And don't forget about playing his laadla bhateeja
Bhatija did alright in Asia cup, SA and Eng series to be fair.
Yes.
If he had any decency and ethics, he would have already voluntarily resigned due to his nephew being in the team (so that there is no issue of nepotism or favoritism).
Picked second rate team vs Australia in UAE and Pakistan got 0-5 drubbing. Which selector rests the major part of the team before the world cup in such an important series?
Picked Hasnain even though Junaid Khan and Shinwari had more experience and success and deserved more. Hasnain took up a spot and did nothing.
Picked Abid Ali who has a once in ten chance of having a good game. Can't bowl or field.
Picked Malik and Hafeez. These guys are over the hill.
Took the team to meet Tariq Jamil. Why? He should have instead arranged a session with Miandad for batting and Akram/Younis for bowling.
Anyone noticed that since Inzi's around as selector, the fielding standards have declined? He himself put no importance on fielding.
If he had any decency and ethics, he would have already voluntarily resigned due to his nephew being in the team (so that there is no issue of nepotism or favoritism).
Picked second rate team vs Australia in UAE and Pakistan got 0-5 drubbing. Which selector rests the major part of the team before the world cup in such an important series?
Picked Hasnain even though Junaid Khan and Shinwari had more experience and success and deserved more. Hasnain took up a spot and did nothing.
Picked Abid Ali who has a once in ten chance of having a good game. Can't bowl or field.
Picked Malik and Hafeez. These guys are over the hill.
Took the team to meet Tariq Jamil. Why? He should have instead arranged a session with Miandad for batting and Akram/Younis for bowling.
Anyone noticed that since Inzi's around as selector, the fielding standards have declined? He himself put no importance on fielding.
Needs to increase his strike rate and shot selection or he will become an Azhar Ali V2. And people aren't going to just ignore that chachu/mamu had a hand in helping him get here, so if anything he needs to be working harder than the rest to prove his merit or be dropped. If Inzamam leaves, I can't see him staying much longer either.
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No, but the selectors around him need to be replaced. They keep playing favourites and are not qualified.
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The issue is - if team selection is the problem I can't see who else should have been selected instead.
We saw in the PSL - it's not as if we have world class batsmen or bowlers sitting on the sidelines pushing for international selection.
We need to fix our first class structure, strengthen our domestic cricket and harness talent - only then will we get results. This will take time and won't happen over night.
Chopping and changing coaches, captains or sleectors is a short sighted strategy and in fact it's not a solution at all because the results won't change.
The news earlier today about IK approving the 6 team domestic structure is the best news that's come out of Pakistani cricket in many years and inshallah will help Pakistani cricket move forward in the right direction.
However if fans or the board aren't patient and think they can sack the captain, coach or selector and suddenly expect better results - well I think Theresa May had a better chance as PM then whoever replaces Inzi, Sarfraz or Micky would have.
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Some posters find this a bitter pill to swallow - however, as far as I can see the players in the squad are the best players in the country.
I know it's hard to accept but it seems to be the way things are.
Look at the PSL. Amongst the top run scorers the only batsmen are either in the current team (Imam, Fakhar & Babar) or are TTFs (Shahzad and Kami)
Similarly with top wicket takers - we had our best bowlers as part of the squad.
The problem isn't talent selection - the issue is harnessing of talent.
If we keep changing the person who is picking the players without actually developing quality players - the selectors will always be an easy target to blame with no actual power to change anything.
I know it's hard to accept but it seems to be the way things are.
Look at the PSL. Amongst the top run scorers the only batsmen are either in the current team (Imam, Fakhar & Babar) or are TTFs (Shahzad and Kami)
Similarly with top wicket takers - we had our best bowlers as part of the squad.
The problem isn't talent selection - the issue is harnessing of talent.
If we keep changing the person who is picking the players without actually developing quality players - the selectors will always be an easy target to blame with no actual power to change anything.
Kamran failed against the West Indies after a successful PSL 2017. And I'm pretty sure Malik and Hafeez are also far from being considered the "best players in the country." They are way past their prime, if they even had one for that matter. Yet Inzamam held back Haris Sohail in favor of these two. See how big of a mistake that turned out to be, when the lad made 89(59) and 68(76) in high pressure games. Haris isn't world class, but he's definitely way better than Malik/Hafeez. See how he dropped Shinwari who has been a pretty decent bowler this past year, and even Junaid Khan whose experience would be valuable, for a rookie Hasnain. And Hasnain has not even been given one game and is just occupying a free spot that could have went to either of the two. And not to mention his nephew. While Imam is doing okay to be fair, lets be honest his selection was nepotistic to an extent. So while I do agree that proper grooming in the domestic scenes is important, as Saud Shakeel, Saad Ali, Khusdil Shah have potential, I also think with a selector like Inzamam these names will be left behind in the dust and never heard of unless they take a 5 wicker haul in the PSL or make a quickfire 50 or 100. So the selector does play a big role and should be given to someone who can handle it and makes selections without bias and strictly on merit.
I agree with you. There will always be a few borderline selections.Lot of people hate imam, but he warrants investment. The only real let downs have been Hasan and Malik.
Again most team will have 2 or 3 in the squad who don't perform.
What has Maxwell/stoinis/zampa done for Aus.
What have guptill Munro/Latham done for NZ
What have Ali/Rashid done for England.
These team all reached QFs.
I think Pakistan have exceeded most of PPs expectations especially If we win Friday. Who wouldn't have taken only 3 losses out of 9 games.
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I thought his contract was not going to be renewed after the WC anyway?
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It'll be a travesty if this pathetic guy continues to be selector post WC. In typical Pak fashion he will have to be booted out otherwise if it is left to him he will hang onto his job till his last day and give the position to Imam in his will.
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You mentioned 3 issues in your post:
1. Absolutely I agree - you will get a player like Harris who has performed well and should be played ahead of Hafeez and Malik....however that doesn't solve the fundamental problem which is lack of harnessed talent does it? Not to mention - more than half of Harris's 58 international matches have been played with Inzi as selector and Inzi is also the person to select him in the World Cup squad.
All I am trying to say is we shouldn't just blame the selectors for selecting players who have failed and not crediting them for picking a player like Harris who has done well. Before the WC Inzi should have been sacked for picking Amir according to half the posters on the forum - however, now that Amir has gone on to become one of the leading wicket takers in the tournament Inzi or the management get no credit what so ever.
Can't have it both ways.
2. The bowlers - whoever came in place of Hasnain would have been on the bench. We had a limited number of spots so we could not bring Shaheen, Amir, Junaid, Hassan, Shinwari, Wahab & Hasnain.
Picking Hasnain was gamble but he gave something the other bowlers didn't have which is extra pace. The ability to ball above 150kph. Now sure that hasn't been used in the WC so far - however, if Shinwari or Junaid had come they would have been on the bench instead.
Again - regardless of whoever was dropped - the fans would have been quick to say that the person who got dropped should have been in the squad.
3. The third and final thing you mentioned was Imam which I simply do not get! "Imam is doing okay....but he shouldn't be in the team"....what?!?!? I don't know what's worse - selectors picking family members in the team out of favouritism or fans wanting a selector to resign to allow his family members to play in the team - since even if the player plays well and his relative is a selector he doesn't deserve to be in the team.....
Surely that sounds crazy!
Again - I go back to my original question - if not Imam then who? The likes of Shehzad and Kami have been tested and failed. Sharjeel looked promising but he threw it away. Imam was amongst the highest Pakistani run scorers in the PSL. I mean on what basis should Imam not be selected?!?!
Fans are quick to blame nepotism for Imams selection when in fact it's the complete opposite and it would be discrimination if he wasn't selected and he was discriminated against because his uncle is the selector despite being the best opener we have in the country.
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Exactly! Absolutely agree!
I don't see any other group of fans wanting their coach, captain or selector sacked due to a failure of a few players.
As you mentioned - there will always be some selections that everyone doesn't agree with, however that isn't the problem.
The issue isn't the selection - it's the pool of talent available which we have to select from! We need to invest in that pool of talent and only then will we progress inshallah
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i don't think there are a great deal of competent options to replace him. He had made the blunder of selecting Yasir Shah vs Aus and Eng instead of any deserving spinner in domestic. But, maybe getting rid of the seniors, means he will choose players from domestic finally.
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Should get the boot and take his nephew with him
1. The thing is certain selections like Amir are necessitated because Amir has shown that he is a tournament player and turns up in big matches. This is where I can support the "experience" argument. Same goes for Wahab. Some people were clamoring that he didn't deserve it, but my gut told me it was a good decision when I saw his recent PSL and domestic records. But if Inzamam didn't just rely on PSL then we could have easily also harnessed talents like Saud Shakeel, Khusdhil Shah, it was on him to kick Malik and Hafeez out after CT 2017 to make room and groom new players who would have settled in by now.
2. Indeed Hasnain has pace, but why didn't they give him a game? I wouldn't have minded. Are they afraid of the risk he might fail in a crucial game? If that is the case, they should have just went with either Junaid or Shinwari. When Hasan Ali failed, the fact that we still had Amir, Wahab, and Shaheen (who thankfully came clean eventually) calmed us down, if Junaid/Shinwari were also a part of the squad, we wouldn't have even been worried at all.
3. I really don't get your point. So him being selected because of his uncle is not discrimination towards other players, but being dropped because his ex-uncle was a cricketer is discriminating against Imam? The thing is, while Imam has done okay (and I don't mean particularly great, just okay), his strike rate is a big problem. Making 50 off 75 balls like in the Australia isn't really impressive. We should be taking advantage of the power play overs, but his slow batting puts pressure on Fakhar and Babar. And it's Babar and now Haris Sohail whose mostly been carrying our batting. So you can't blame people for feeling he's only in the team cause of his uncle. And I honestly wouldn't mind bringing back Sharjeel, a lot of people will be against it, but the first thing is he has already done his time. Second, if Australia can bring back Warner and Smith, why the double standards when it comes to Pakistan? Him and Fakhar could destroy opposition lineups.
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I think this is a moot question anyway. The contracts of selectors and coaching staff are expiring post World Cup.
Resign? He should be sacked because of his brain dead nepotistic selections & failure to build a solid team.
1) He has gifted us his nephew, an opener from the 80s, who averages 26 in the World Cup at a spectacular strike rate of 67.
What makes Imam's selection more ridiculous is the fact that Inzi used to hate Fawad Alam for his mediocre strike rate (rightly so) but loves Bhateeja for the very same reason. What a hypocrite.
2) Haris Rauf looked thrice as ready for the international arena as Hasnain, yet he picked latter, who's done nothing else except warming the bench. Another dumb call.
3) Kept persisting with the biggest TTF ever, Malik, who averages a monstrous 18 in England.
4) Kept giving Yasir Shah a free ride despite his countless pathetic performances in ODIs.
5) Invested heavily in a Relu Katta like Faheem, while a reliable batsman like Amir Yamin, who has shown his capability in 2-3 ODI/T20i chances given to him, kept getting ignored.
He should be sacked even before the team arrives.
1) He has gifted us his nephew, an opener from the 80s, who averages 26 in the World Cup at a spectacular strike rate of 67.
What makes Imam's selection more ridiculous is the fact that Inzi used to hate Fawad Alam for his mediocre strike rate (rightly so) but loves Bhateeja for the very same reason. What a hypocrite.
2) Haris Rauf looked thrice as ready for the international arena as Hasnain, yet he picked latter, who's done nothing else except warming the bench. Another dumb call.
3) Kept persisting with the biggest TTF ever, Malik, who averages a monstrous 18 in England.
4) Kept giving Yasir Shah a free ride despite his countless pathetic performances in ODIs.
5) Invested heavily in a Relu Katta like Faheem, while a reliable batsman like Amir Yamin, who has shown his capability in 2-3 ODI/T20i chances given to him, kept getting ignored.
He should be sacked even before the team arrives.
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Keep Inzamam's religion etc off your arguments
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You have hit the bullseye!
Agree with you 100%!
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Clearly, selecting Hafeez and Malik was a howler beyond repair
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Hafeez was one of the players of the tournament for Pakistan. His innings against England inspired the team which led to the bounce back.
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Hafeez has done ok, was man of the match in one game.
Malik is the reason we are out of this wc, with his stunning 8 , 0, 0 scores , while haris sat out!
If haris played in the aussie game, we would have won!
Malik is the reason we are out of this wc, with his stunning 8 , 0, 0 scores , while haris sat out!
If haris played in the aussie game, we would have won!
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How many CS, coaches and captains we have sacked in past. Did that make any difference to our performance?
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1. I am glad you support Amir & Wahab's selection - however there were many who didnt and thought this should be a sackable offence, if you look through past forums. What Im trying to say is not every selection will please everyone - however, credit for good selection should be given to the selectors as well, rather than just desperately trying to get them sacked when players dont perform - specially when there isn't an abundance of high quality players to pick from. We cant sack coaches depending on the gut feel and feelings of individuals like you and I.
Inzi - or any selector - relying on PSL has no impact on if talent is being harnessed or not. The PSL is the only high quality domestic cricket competition Pakistan has and THAT is the issue when it comes the inability of harnessing talent. Talent isn't being harnessed because players like Saud Shakeel and Khusdil Shah wont become world beaters by playing on run down pitches, with crappy training facilities in extremely one sided games.
The method of harnessing talent isn't for the national selector to play them in the international and hope that their raw talent will be enough to carry them.
2. A few things here. You would think that Hasnain not getting a game is down to Micky and Sarfraz and not Inzi - so sacking the selector who sent Hasnain with the squad makes no sense. As for why he wasnt played - if he was played the question would be asked "why was Shaheen not played?". Wahab and Amir have been our main bowlers throughout the competition so their was never any question about dropping them. Shaheen performed well when he we given a chance. So i would ask the question why should Hasnain - or Junaid/Shinwari if they were in the squad for that matter - be played at the expense of one of your bowlers who are performing well?
3. Imam being dropped because his uncle is a selector - despite being the best opener in the country - is discriminating against him and just as bad as nepotism.
Imam's okay is a lot better than anything that the other openers we have tried could do so this takes me back to my very fundmental point. The issue isn't the selection of talent - the issue is the lack of talent! We wont overcome this fundamental issue by changing coach, captain or selector.
As for bringing back Sharjeel and the morals behind it is a matter of opinion and whole different story. Again - changing the captain, coach or selector wont change the PCB's stance on whether Sharjeel will paly or not.
Having said that - replacing an ODI player who averages 53 at a SR of 80 with a player who averages 32 - albeit at a SR of 113 - doesnt seem like a revolutionary idea to me; particularly when we have another opener who averages just under 50 at a SR of 100.
Now again - I am going off track - the bottom line is I dont think Imam's selection is a sackable offence given the fact that he has performed better than any other option we have tried at international level or have seen at domestic level in competitions such as the PSL.
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Inzi is as useless(or as good as) as the guys that came before and the ones that will succeed him. None ever feels that they need to go and watch domestic matches, they wait for PSL and use that as the only yardstick, which anyone of us can do. We need a Chief that goes and searches for talent for the A team and maybe the odd gem in domestic cricket for the national team. Are Shadab and Imad really the 2 best spinners in PK? These guys want to pick of salaries for doing what anyone can do.
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Thank you for this! Agree with every point you've been putting in this thread.
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Glad you agree
I just feel we need to look for long term solutions and not sure term knee jerk reactions such as sacking the coach, captain or the selector.
We have seen many coaches, captains and selectors come and go in the last decade or two but that hasn't solved our fundamental issue of not having sufficient talent to pick from. THAT is the issue we need to look to tackle.
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My dear how hard is it to figure out that a so called 'senior' batsman has an average of 10+ in England and as a consequence not be selected for the most important tournament that happens only every 4 years.
We need a modern and evidence-based approach to selecting players based on hard data that is unbiased and credible. Once the system is strong enough and players are confident they will be selected based on merit, talent will gravitate towards this sport.
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Heard they want Amir Sohail in so it could be the last few weeks of Inzi.
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Who is better?
Inzimam or Amir Sohail?
I think Inzimam.
He had given us a decent squad for the WC even though we should’ve groomed another spinner.
Inzimam or Amir Sohail?
I think Inzimam.
He had given us a decent squad for the WC even though we should’ve groomed another spinner.
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Hmm that's an interesting way of looking at it.
However, there will always be a human making the selection so there will always be scope of accusing the selector for bias.
There wont - and shouldn't - ever be a day that we simply pick the players with the highest batting average and lowest bowling average. There's a lot more that goes into it then that.
However - I do find your point about attracting talent yo cricket by eliminating corruption/increasing transperency absolutely correct and something that does need to happen
I don't think the solution is simply firing him but finding someone who is adequate, qualified and deserves the job. Someone that is good at scouting talent and someone with a proper criteria on how selections should be done. It doesn't seem like there's certain goals or critera's a player needs to hit in domestic to qualify the call-up to the international level and I think that needs to change.
Even finding talents like Hasan Ali/Shadab/Fakhar etc all due to PSL is absolute insanity and shows how little credibility or scouting goes on in domestic level when players get easily ignored and it seems like unless they perform in PSL, they will continue to get ignored. You shouldn't need a heavily televised T20 Tournament to recognize talent in your own backyard.
I don't know how much blame Inzy deserves but I will say that if there is a replacement for him, I really hope it's not a former cricketer or some super old man with an old school approach. I think we've seen enough of that and people like these have brought Pakistan's cricket to the state it is in. They need some fresh, forward thinking hire who can scout talent and look into cricket from an analytical lens as well. And of course, someone that doesn't subjugate himself to seniority simply because it is seniority. It's also about maximizing a player's value and potential with respect to his own ability and how well one is suited for specific conditions.
It's just so weird some of the selections over the years with players like Yasir making a ODI comeback for no reason. Malik continuing to be selected despite being terrible in English conditions. Let's not forget crazy decisions like Malik at 4 and Asif at 6 in UAE for the Asia Cup. Or the fact we would play 3 pacers and 1 spinner in Test matches in UAE. Even the CT, it started out with Shehzad as the opener which is so crazy weird and that only two years ago. It took the team being lucky enough to be absolutely destroyed by India to make the obvious lineup changes and the same happened again WC, when they finally got the sense to remove Asif and Malik from the lineup and brought Haris back in but sadly, it was too little, too late.
I'd love to know who pushed more for these selections over these years, Mickey or Inzy and based on lineup decisions over the years, Mickey is certainly not blameless.
Even finding talents like Hasan Ali/Shadab/Fakhar etc all due to PSL is absolute insanity and shows how little credibility or scouting goes on in domestic level when players get easily ignored and it seems like unless they perform in PSL, they will continue to get ignored. You shouldn't need a heavily televised T20 Tournament to recognize talent in your own backyard.
I don't know how much blame Inzy deserves but I will say that if there is a replacement for him, I really hope it's not a former cricketer or some super old man with an old school approach. I think we've seen enough of that and people like these have brought Pakistan's cricket to the state it is in. They need some fresh, forward thinking hire who can scout talent and look into cricket from an analytical lens as well. And of course, someone that doesn't subjugate himself to seniority simply because it is seniority. It's also about maximizing a player's value and potential with respect to his own ability and how well one is suited for specific conditions.
It's just so weird some of the selections over the years with players like Yasir making a ODI comeback for no reason. Malik continuing to be selected despite being terrible in English conditions. Let's not forget crazy decisions like Malik at 4 and Asif at 6 in UAE for the Asia Cup. Or the fact we would play 3 pacers and 1 spinner in Test matches in UAE. Even the CT, it started out with Shehzad as the opener which is so crazy weird and that only two years ago. It took the team being lucky enough to be absolutely destroyed by India to make the obvious lineup changes and the same happened again WC, when they finally got the sense to remove Asif and Malik from the lineup and brought Haris back in but sadly, it was too little, too late.
I'd love to know who pushed more for these selections over these years, Mickey or Inzy and based on lineup decisions over the years, Mickey is certainly not blameless.
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Yes selectors are still needed that have the ability to synthesize data using advanced analytics to select the best players from the available pool. We need to instil confidence that the system is fair and based on objective criteria supported by hard data that can be audited based on request or be used to provide feedback to the players so they can improve their game.
Our major issue is not that the selectors are not sincere but rather their low intellectual capacity to employ modern methods in the selection process using advanced video and software technology. We are still of the opinion that evidenced-based approaches offer no value and selector's subjectivity to uncover talent trumps player performance metrics collected over a large sample of data.
Professional teams in the west now have dedicated data science teams within their organizations looking at different metrics to judge the performance of players and trying to find an edge against the competition. Some have even won championships by forming teams by looking at their stats collectively.
We desperately need more educated people who have decent knowledge of cricket and played at the first class level to be making smart decisions and not rely on hall of fame players who unfortunately spent most of their formative years playing cricket and dropped out of school early.
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No he wont resign. Just sack him right away !
And for those saying this is the best squad we have, well its not.
- Never dropped Malik completely when he was having a horror show with the bat
- Didnt try Zafar Gohar or Umer inplace of Shadab for England
- Dumped Abid Ali for no good reason
- Persisted too long with Asif Ali
- Husnain, completely random pick
- Wasted Junaid
- Wasted Faheem Ashraf really, played him consistently for 2 years and dumped him right before WC.
list is endless
And for those saying this is the best squad we have, well its not.
- Never dropped Malik completely when he was having a horror show with the bat
- Didnt try Zafar Gohar or Umer inplace of Shadab for England
- Dumped Abid Ali for no good reason
- Persisted too long with Asif Ali
- Husnain, completely random pick
- Wasted Junaid
- Wasted Faheem Ashraf really, played him consistently for 2 years and dumped him right before WC.
list is endless
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Selecting Wahab was a good out of the box move and his world cup squad was not too bad, nobody thought Malik would be so bad.
But his tinkering in the previous few series was terrible and for this reason should go.
I'd give Inzy 7/10 as selector but be careful what you wish for in Pakistan cricket, the next selector will probably be worse.
But his tinkering in the previous few series was terrible and for this reason should go.
I'd give Inzy 7/10 as selector but be careful what you wish for in Pakistan cricket, the next selector will probably be worse.
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No.
He should be kicked out. He selects only off PSL which even the average uncle can do. Some PPers would be better selectors than him.
He should be kicked out. He selects only off PSL which even the average uncle can do. Some PPers would be better selectors than him.
Inzamam has done the once unthinkable job of ridding Pakistan team of TTFs. Many here will always be an unhappy bunch but I can guarantee, knowing the kind that'll replace him, that Pakistan cricket will take ten steps backwards if Inzi is replaced.
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Glad you agree
I just feel we need to look for long term solutions and not sure term knee jerk reactions such as sacking the coach, captain or the selector.
We have seen many coaches, captains and selectors come and go in the last decade or two but that hasn't solved our fundamental issue of not having sufficient talent to pick from. THAT is the issue we need to look to tackle.
Agreed.
I have to say though the team will definitely be better with certain people out of the team. Besides that, Inzi hasn't done terribly in his tenure. He inducted youngblood into the team which most of the previous selectors were always reluctant to do.
In the end, no matter what selector it is, they are not going to make decisions that everyone will agree upon. Every human being gets criticized for any of the decisions they make, by anybody.
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Selectors and Coaches should resign.
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People on social media and mediapersons calling for Inzamam's presence and authority to be investigated esp. after Asia Cup. For some, resignation and sacking won't do. Inzamam went out crying while Pakistan crashed in the World Cup 2007. Now he has made others cry while Pakistan again crashes out despite doing better than under his captaincy. Till he remained in the dressing room of Pakistan, Pakistan almost lost every match.
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He should be kicked out from Pakistan team
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Yes. There were huge blunders from selection end. Hasnain was a passenger in squad, Shinwari or Junaid should have been there. Ruman could have backed him. Hasnain did nothing in international cricket. Only Inzi could have sent hin at WC.
really?? noone thought malik ll do bad with avg of 14 in eng?? last series before the wc he gave glimpse of how bad he ll be...
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The main factor of Pakistan not making WC semifinals is Pakistan’s worst fielding in WC especially dropping Finch and Warner 3-4 times in the match vs Australia.
Besides 2,3 selections selections were fine. Major blunder was not selecting Saud Shakeel in last 2 years. That’s it.
Bazid Khan, Mohammad Yousuf (if not considered for coaching at junior level) need to be part of selection committe.
Inzamam should be persisted with in my opinion.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] what do you say ?
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And don't forget about playing his laadla bhateeja
That's one good player he picked, laadla bhateeja or not.
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I think he should resign. His nephew's selection is controversial.
The team has not really improved.
I don't think he has picked anyone extraordinary yet.
His nephew is one of the reasons why Pakistan hasn't gone into the semis. The amount of runs or batting average is not important.
The team has not really improved.
I don't think he has picked anyone extraordinary yet.
His nephew is one of the reasons why Pakistan hasn't gone into the semis. The amount of runs or batting average is not important.
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He should be kicked out. He could not find a single decent spinner in a country of 200+ million.
Keep yousuf away from selection commitee. I think he was the one advocating for shafiq all these years. Bazid should be head selector.
Hafeez and malik should retire, sarfaraz needs to be dropped along with fakhar.
Give shadab one more year if he doesnr improve drop him too. Been 2years and no improvement what so ever
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I think essentially we are both saying the same thing:
You: Fix the system - this will attract more talent and you will have a bigger pool of players to pick from.
Me: Fix the domestic structure & improve facilities - this will give existing talent a chance to harness and you will have a bigger pool of talent to pick from.
I think both statements are right in there own regards. I'm not convinced the issue is talent attraction - I think harnessing the talent is the issue; however there is every possibility that I am wrong.
Either way - if you sack Inzi today and hire another selector tomorrow - which is most likely gonna be someone like Aamir Sohail or Mohsin Khan - you cannot expect results to change.
What you certainly cant do - IMO - is blame the current selectors for selecting the players they did because given the current talent in the country these are the best players. You can run whatever algorithm you want to pick the best players - I'm guessing majority of the current 15 will be the output.
We need to harness and grow talent. That's the key issue we need to solve. not look for short term knee jerk firings and hirings.
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Absolutely!
You can put anyone in Inzi's place and I can guarantee you will have a large chunk of fans complaining.
However - if you harness the talent you have and start building strong players - suddenly the selector actually has a strong pool of players that he can select the team from.
He was good today, but needed to perform like this in earlier matches where it was desperately needed.
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I have decided that the fairest way to decide which team qualifies, if level on points, is an eliminator!
If more tha 2 teams tied, then the 2 with the highest nrr will play an eliminator and the winner qualifies!
If more tha 2 teams tied, then the 2 with the highest nrr will play an eliminator and the winner qualifies!
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He is a kid, and a talented one at that. He needs to be given a run before he can come good. Chucking someone off the deep end expecting him to swim is never a good approach.
Imam was let down by his 'senior' teammates who should have stood up and taken responsibility when it mattered.
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Inziz Blunders
1) Dropping Aamir and picking Junaid.... wat abs bonkers .... Aamir wasnt getting wickets but he is probably the most economical bolwer in last 3 years.. and he had bad year or 2, half a dozen catch drops but he came good
2) Playing Fahim again and again and again....Fahim was a decent bowler but his batting was abs shameful. I am a fan of fahim but he has no clue on how to bat .. bowl him a short ball and he is done.. worst avg, even below malik, which in its self is an achivement.
3) Not picking Aamir Yamin... The guy is pure class and quality ... amazingly balanced player, skiddish bowler with good variation and game knowledge
4) Not picking proper spinner in WC squad alnog with Shadab.... Kept picking YAsir Shah again and again and again.. wat a load of crap ... kept zafar gohar out. umar khan out ...shameful
5) Picking Hussnain over Harris Rauf.... Harris Rauf was more ready for the WC ... hussnain needs lot of work which showed....
6) Picking Hassan Ali , Shoaib Malik and asif ali in the squad dropping Abid Ali....Hassan Ali has been the most pathatic bowler for pakistan in last 2 years... an absoulute garbage...0 team player and he was still in the squad ...so is malik ..huh .. wat a **** piece
for all the blunders, Imam ul Haq is def not a blunder .. its a badge on him... solid reliable player with game sense... i think people talking abt blaming imam actually have no clue what cricket is and how the balance of pakistan team currently works
1) Dropping Aamir and picking Junaid.... wat abs bonkers .... Aamir wasnt getting wickets but he is probably the most economical bolwer in last 3 years.. and he had bad year or 2, half a dozen catch drops but he came good
2) Playing Fahim again and again and again....Fahim was a decent bowler but his batting was abs shameful. I am a fan of fahim but he has no clue on how to bat .. bowl him a short ball and he is done.. worst avg, even below malik, which in its self is an achivement.
3) Not picking Aamir Yamin... The guy is pure class and quality ... amazingly balanced player, skiddish bowler with good variation and game knowledge
4) Not picking proper spinner in WC squad alnog with Shadab.... Kept picking YAsir Shah again and again and again.. wat a load of crap ... kept zafar gohar out. umar khan out ...shameful
5) Picking Hussnain over Harris Rauf.... Harris Rauf was more ready for the WC ... hussnain needs lot of work which showed....
6) Picking Hassan Ali , Shoaib Malik and asif ali in the squad dropping Abid Ali....Hassan Ali has been the most pathatic bowler for pakistan in last 2 years... an absoulute garbage...0 team player and he was still in the squad ...so is malik ..huh .. wat a **** piece
for all the blunders, Imam ul Haq is def not a blunder .. its a badge on him... solid reliable player with game sense... i think people talking abt blaming imam actually have no clue what cricket is and how the balance of pakistan team currently works
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Should be sacked, his pathetic selections are one of contributing reasons to why we are a poor ODI and test side.
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All good brother. I know that like me, you want whats best for Pakistan cricket. God bless.
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You and [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] shooting arrows inthe air really on this forum to defend this guy, making stupid statements.
Just give one answer, in ODI format, is there a match Mr. Imam ul Haq finished for Pakistan in last 2 years even against minnow sides or bottom ranked teams?
How many top order partnerships Mr imam ul Haq made with his opening partner?
Why his opening partner and one down [who were sent with him] why their averages have gone down?
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We have been a poor side even before he joined as chief selector. He just didn't make much of a difference, that's all.
Hopefully the PCB brass can bring in more educated people with enough knowledge of cricket to select players using objective criteria so that talented players have confidence in the system to keep playing the game and not get disheartened because of their lack of trust in the selection process.
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Inzamam became chief selector in 2016, in his initial phase Pakistan was hovering around 8 and 9 rank.
Check the averages and total scores of top and middle order under Inzamam's tenure compared to before, you'll see the difference, batting went thru historic lows.
Picking of players of tours like NZ and England who averaged 9 and 12, likes of Shoaib Malik and Hafeez.
Interfering in roles of the team management.
Inzamam's most devastating blows came after Ehsan Mani became chairman and the decisions post Asia Cup 2018. Pakistan trounced Australia 2-0 with Fakhar Zaman scoring 90 in both innings of a test, it was followed by NZ series in UAE.
Suddenly Fakhar is told to report to NCA due to fitness concerns and is dropped from the series selects his nephew Imam ul Haq inhis place. Fakhar returned and played local domestic matches for his club.
Wahab is inducted in the team again for whatever reason. Wahab pace redeuced and was wayward during the match after which team management fdropped him but could'nt drop Imam as selector did not allow an opener reserve. Pakistan lost home series in UAE for first time 2-1, blame was diverted towards team management.
Barring Australia series where Abid Ali was brought in as a one down option went to open, Inzamam compromised his country to play his nephew and never picked a reserve opener for 2 years.
Sacking or his resignation only won't do, investigation and scrutiny should be done so that individuals who do such crass nepotism are not allowed in the future.
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