Should Mawlid (Eid Milad-un-Nabi) be celebrated?

[aboveandbeyond]

In my opinion. Any person who does not believe in the Qoran and hadiths, is not a muslim.

Qoran are the words of the Almighty Allah.

 

[emranabbas]

Wahabi is my branch ? I do not think you have read my comments in other threads . Brother , look at all my posts and comments , where did I present my argument from any so called wahabi books? Quran and Hadeeth are books of Islam. Wahabi books would something written by the so called sect scholars.

I have spoken strongly against Banu Ummayah rulers , including Muawiyah , which wahabi does that , leave Muawiyah alone , they praize Yazeed , which world are you living in?

Also , can you show me a single post where I said we should kill innocent people ?

Also , as far as Killing people and Takfir is concerned , your greatest scholar whom you people call Ala Hadhrat , Mr Ahmad Raza Khan , has made takfir of deobandi , salafi , shias . In fact he has called them murtad , which means they should be killed when you have opportunity. This is the peaceful fatwa issued by the scholar whom all barelvis do taqleed of.

Quran and hadeeth clearly sates what is permissible and what isn't not permissible you have yet to provide evidence where is is milad forbidden? unless you present your argument from Quran and hadeeth you have not proved anything.

 

[Justcrazy]

Quran and hadeeth clearly sates what is permissible and what isn't not permissible you have yet to provide evidence where is is milad forbidden? unless you present your argument from Quran and hadeeth you have not proved anything.

Brother , your last response was answered by me , in which I asked something , you completely ignored that , and now you are again going in cyclic arguments.

For the reference I am posting my comment again , and see how does your response match my question

During the time of prophet there was no social media , but debate was there . Forum is merely a medium , debate can take place anywhere , the medium does not change the original debate.

For example I go for hajj on airplane or walking or on a camel etc , the mode of journey does not change the rituals of Hajj , it will remain same as was done by the prophet.

You also said we do Milad for the love of prophet and it is not part of religion , where as Quran and hadeeth says love for prophet is part of deen , so your statement was wrong.

And you yourself wrote above that adding something to religion is innovation.

Please respond to these points.

 

[Justcrazy]

In my opinion. Any person who does not believe in the Qoran and hadiths, is not a muslim.

Qoran are the words of the Almighty Allah.

And who do you find here does not believe in Quran and hadeeth? I did not get the reason of your sudden post here

 

[emranabbas]

Brother , your last response was answered by me , in which I asked something , you completely ignored that , and now you are again going in cyclic arguments.

For the reference I am posting my comment again , and see how does your response match my question

During the time of prophet there was no social media , but debate was there . Forum is merely a medium , debate can take place anywhere , the medium does not change the original debate.

For example I go for hajj on airplane or walking or on a camel etc , the mode of journey does not change the rituals of Hajj , it will remain same as was done by the prophet.

You also said we do Milad for the love of prophet and it is not part of religion , where as Quran and hadeeth says love for prophet is part of deen , so your statement was wrong.

And you yourself wrote above that adding something to religion is innovation.

Please respond to these points.

I don't want to read your logics I want clear evidence from quran and hadeeth

You said its forbidden (haram)

Just like everything that is halal and haram is mentioned in quran show me milad

Alcohol is forbidden its clear in the quran

Now show me milad

 

[aboveandbeyond]

And who do you find here does not believe in Quran and hadeeth? I did not get the reason of your sudden post here

Not pointing a figure at anyone .

Just pointing out the importance of Qoran and hadiths.

I for one, will never judge anyone, that's between them and the Almighty Allah.

However, this is just me, I do not believe in any form of innovation in Islam.

 

[Justcrazy]

Not pointing a figure at anyone .

Just pointing out the importance of Qoran and hadiths.

I for one, will never judge anyone, that's between them and the Almighty Allah.

However, this is just me, I do not believe in any form of innovation in Islam.

I also did not judge , I did not say this is this person will be in hell, but on a social media if you see wrong information about Islam , you will point out to that with proper evidence. That is the whole point of having forums , to have intellectual discussions.

 

[Justcrazy]

I don't want to read your logics I want clear evidence from quran and hadeeth

You said its forbidden (haram)

Just like everything that is halal and haram is mentioned in quran show me milad

Alcohol is forbidden its clear in the quran

Now show me milad

You made a point , when I ask about that , you move to next point , is this how discussions happen?
You said I do Milad because of love for prophet , and it is not part of religion.

The Quran says love for prophet is part of Deen. Now can you tell the whole forum , which statement is correct ?

 

[emranabbas]

You made a point , when I ask about that , you move to next point , is this how discussions happen?
You said I do Milad because of love for prophet , and it is not part of religion.

The Quran says love for prophet is part of Deen. Now can you tell the whole forum , which statement is correct ?

No your twisting this because your desperate to prove a point that you can't

What's I said was

Milad is celebrated and the celebration it self is not part religion but people do it out of love for the Prophet saw which is part of the deen

Now read what you have written and what have written there is a diffrence

Stop trying your wahabi tricks on me it's not going to work

And even if we go by your twisting you added

The ayat you added are you a disbleaver of it?
If people consider it wajib based on the that ayaat and celebrating milad then your reject the quran and becoming a kafir

 

[aboveandbeyond]

I also did not judge , I did not say this is this person will be in hell, but on a social media if you see wrong information about Islam , you will point out to that with proper evidence. That is the whole point of having forums , to have intellectual discussions.

And I agree. There's a certain sect who call themselves muslims start abusing if their narrative is not met.

 

[Justcrazy]

And I agree. There's a certain sect who call themselves muslims start abusing if their narrative is not met.

The reason is that when we make aqeedah against quran and hadeeth and start worshiping the scholars of our sects , we will naturally get agitated. I have seen there are people who believe prophet has complete knowledge of future , or he is made of light . Now naturally you cannot prove this , so when you ask for evidence they play the emotional card , to show that you are insulting the prophet. This is how they operate.

 

[Justcrazy]

No your twisting this because your desperate to prove a point that you can't

What's I said was

Milad is celebrated and the celebration it self is not part religion but people do it out of love for the Prophet saw which is part of the deen

Now read what you have written and what have written there is a diffrence

Stop trying your wahabi tricks on me it's not going to work

And even if we go by your twisting you added

The ayat you added are you a disbleaver of it?
If people consider it wajib based on the that ayaat and celebrating milad then your reject the quran and becoming a kafir

You see your contradiction !

Your third line. You say Milad is not part of religion , it is done out of love for prophet, which is part of deen.

My friend read the Quran with open eyes. No where Allah says Islam is Madhab , but everywhere HE says it is Deen. You already said love for prophet is part of Deen .

And my learned friend I did not add any ayat so far.

 

[emranabbas]

You see your contradiction !

Your third line. You say Milad is not part of religion , it is done out of love for prophet, which is part of deen.

My friend read the Quran with open eyes. No where Allah says Islam is Madhab , but everywhere HE says it is Deen. You already said love for prophet is part of Deen .

And my learned friend I did not add any ayat so far.

There is no contradiction its just that you are intentionally combining them together because your desperatly trying to win an argument you can't

Back to square one for the 5th time

You have an issue people with celebrating milad and have claimed its haraam now give us proof
That milad is haraam from quran and hadeeth

 

[Justcrazy]

There is no contradiction its just that you are intentionally combining them together because your desperatly trying to win an argument you can't

Back to square one for the 5th time

You have an issue people with celebrating milad and have claimed its haraam now give us proof
That milad is haraam from quran and hadeeth

When your contradiction is pointed you are running away !

You never clarified the previous point , unless you clarify that how can I move on. This way you can keep jumping from here and there.

You said love for prophet is not part of religion , prove this . You made a claim , give evidence , and Then I will show that love for prophet is part of deen .

If you made false statement accept that , and then I will answer your next point.

 

[emranabbas]

When your contradiction is pointed you are running away !

You never clarified the previous point , unless you clarify that how can I move on. This way you can keep jumping from here and there.

You said love for prophet is not part of religion , prove this . You made a claim , give evidence , and Then I will show that love for prophet is part of deen .

If you made false statement accept that , and then I will answer your next point.

Bro I'm taking you back to the beginning of the convosation

You claim milad is haraam but without any reference from quran and hadeeth untill you can give me any reference we can't move on

Like u will claim alcohol is haram and I will give you reference from quran and hadeeth now like you claim milad is haraam where your reference

If you can't provide reference be quiet and sit down and stop wasting everyone's time

 

[Justcrazy]

Bro I'm taking you back to the beginning of the convosation

You claim milad is haraam but without any reference from quran and hadeeth untill you can give me any reference we can't move on

Like u will claim alcohol is haram and I will give you reference from quran and hadeeth now like you claim milad is haraam where your reference

If you can't provide reference be quiet and sit down and stop wasting everyone's time

Your Three points here ( I can show from your above comments )

First , adding anything to religion is Innovation
Second , I do Milad because of Love of prophet
Third , it is not part of religion.

So , according to your logic , love for prophet is not part of religion !

This statement is wrong in light of Quran and hadeeth. So , unless you clarify this , how can I give you any kind of evidence?

 

[emranabbas]

Your Three points here ( I can show from your above comments )

First , adding anything to religion is Innovation
Second , I do Milad because of Love of prophet
Third , it is not part of religion.

So , according to your logic , love for prophet is not part of religion !

This statement is wrong in light of Quran and hadeeth. So , unless you clarify this , how can I give you any kind of evidence?

Matey it doesn't matter what I say according to you milad is forbidden then show us some evidence from quran and hadeeth. This is the 7th time I'm asking you.

Until you can't prove it from quran and hadeeth just be quiet and stop wasting everyones time

I don't have an issue with you weather you do milad or not nor do I care

It's you who have an issue with people doing milad so the onus is on you

So tell us why we should listen to you and why milad is haram from quran and hadeeth

 

[shaz619]

Matey it doesn't matter what I say according to you milad is forbidden then show us some evidence from quran and hadeeth. This is the 7th time I'm asking you.

Until you can't prove it from quran and hadeeth just be quiet and stop wasting everyones time

I don't have an issue with you weather you do milad or not nor do I care

It's you who have an issue with people doing milad so the onus is on you

So tell us why we should listen to you and why milad is haram from quran and hadeeth

I wouldn’t bother with two faced najdi’s, they don’t even do their stanjah before reading the holy scripture

 

[Justcrazy]

Matey it doesn't matter what I say according to you milad is forbidden then show us some evidence from quran and hadeeth. This is the 7th time I'm asking you.

Until you can't prove it from quran and hadeeth just be quiet and stop wasting everyones time

I don't have an issue with you weather you do milad or not nor do I care

It's you who have an issue with people doing milad so the onus is on you

So tell us why we should listen to you and why milad is haram from quran and hadeeth

It matters , because that is the precise reason you gave for doing Milad.

That was your very first comment you made here, so you need to clarify that , after that you can raise next point. That is how conversation is done. Otherwise you will keep raising different points.

 

[Justcrazy]

I wouldn’t bother with two faced najdi’s, they don’t even do their stanjah before reading the holy scripture

This is the evidence for Milad ? Calling people names ?

If you are so much interested in different sects of Islam , make a thread , there we will discuss things in detail. Just coming to random thread and posting out of context does not look intellectual.

 

[Kroll]

If Milad is something that brings people together to remember the Prophet (PBUH) or closer to their deen, whereas otherwise they may not get the opportunity do so. Then surely it can't be a bad thing?

 

[emranabbas]

It matters , because that is the precise reason you gave for doing Milad.

That was your very first comment you made here, so you need to clarify that , after that you can raise next point. That is how conversation is done. Otherwise you will keep raising different points.

My first point and last point is your claiming milad to be haram prove it from quran and hadeeth

It's the 8th time I'm asking

Since I've been told you follow the wahabi ideology you better keep you stuff to your self and your wahabhi people no need to discuss with us

 

[Justcrazy]

My first point and last point is your claiming milad to be haram prove it from quran and hadeeth

It's the 8th time I'm asking

Since I've been told you follow the wahabi ideology you better keep you stuff to your self and your wahabhi people no need to discuss with us

Your question is within your own statements which you have made , you yourself have accepted that adding anything to religion is innovation .

And then you said you do Milad for love of prophet.

Love for prophet is part of religion.

Now , do you have any objection to the statements I made or falsely attributed to you ?

 

[emranabbas]

Your question is within your own statements which you have made , you yourself have accepted that adding anything to religion is innovation .

And then you said you do Milad for love of prophet.

Love for prophet is part of religion.

Now , do you have any objection to the statements I made or falsely attributed to you ?

Forget what i say I'm not a mufti and I don't represent the whole Muslim community

Since your so knowledgeable you tell us where milad is forbidden in quran and hadeeth

9th time I'm asking

 

[Justcrazy]

Since I've been told you follow the wahabi ideology you better keep you stuff to your self and your wahabhi people no need to discuss with us

Those from you hear , ask them evidence . I give a **** about any sect , making sectsis itself wrong in Islam.

All these terms have been devised by your Mullahs who are goal keepers of there sects.

If you talk about Tawheed you are wahabi
If you talk about ahle bayat you are shia
If you talk about prophet you are barelvi etc etc.

And those who told you I told them to make another thread and we will see in detail what blunders their so called scholars have done . I just want to stick to the point discussed in these thread.

If you ask me my opinion , I do not consider the wahabi rulers that are in charge now to be even Muslims , because they are helping in killing of other Muslims. Right from the first Monarch , Muawiyah to the one till date , they have hurt Islam a lot.

But that does not mean I will multiple them by zero.

 

[emranabbas]

Those from you hear , ask them evidence . I give a **** about any sect , making sectsis itself wrong in Islam.

All these terms have been devised by your Mullahs who are goal keepers of there sects.

If you talk about Tawheed you are wahabi
If you talk about ahle bayat you are shia
If you talk about prophet you are barelvi etc etc.

And those who told you I told them to make another thread and we will see in detail what blunders their so called scholars have done . I just want to stick to the point discussed in these thread.

If you ask me my opinion , I do not consider the wahabi rulers that are in charge now to be even Muslims , because they are helping in killing of other Muslims. Right from the first Monarch , Muawiyah to the one till date , they have hurt Islam a lot.

But that does not mean I will multiple them by zero.

It's very apparent from your conversation your a wahabi it's only the wahabis who have hate for the Prophet s.a.w that's why you have an issue with people celebrating prophet s.a.w milad

 

[Justcrazy]

Forget what i say I'm not a mufti and I don't represent the whole Muslim community

Since your so knowledgeable you tell us where milad is forbidden in quran and hadeeth

9th time I'm asking

You do not need to be a Mufti or scholar to have an opinion. Prophet said that even if you know one ayat , let others know about that. prophet himself has given you certificate .

So now , you saying that love of prophet is part of religion ? If it is part of religion , then how do you justify adding to that .

Or do you say that we can add into religion.

 

[Justcrazy]

It's very apparent from your conversation your a wahabi it's only the wahabis who have hate for the Prophet s.a.w that's why you have an issue with people celebrating prophet s.a.w milad

Will a person who hates prophet remain a Muslim?

Which scholars are you listening to brother ? For a second use your mind , if this argument is accepted , then what will you say about those companions , and the salaf of 300 years who never celebrated that ?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

For me it always comes back to this point.

The sahaba loved the prophet so much that they would rush to grab his saliva, or droplets of water he has done wuzu with.

After the Prophet left this world they didn't do milads, not did the other generations after them.

For me that's enough for me to think it's a waste of time. I think calling it haram is incorrect though.

 

[Justcrazy]

For me it always comes back to this point.

The sahaba loved the prophet so much that they would rush to grab his saliva, or droplets of water he has done wuzu with.

After the Prophet left this world they didn't do milads, not did the other generations after them.

For me that's enough for me to think it's a waste of time. I think calling it haram is incorrect though.

Milad was started probably 600 years after prophet died , that too by some sultan who saw Christians celebrating birth of Jesus as Christmas. Though surprisingly Jesus being born on that day is itself not proved.

These people claim to follow Imam Hanifa , shafi etc etc , but they also did not celebrate this.
In Islam birthdays have no significance at all. If that was the case Allah swt would have mentioned dates of birth of several prophet or Muhammad SAW would have celebrated birthday of Ibrahim AS.

This is Innovation.

Now , why this is wrong. Because when we do these kind of innovations , it can imply two things.

First , prophet knew this was a good thing in religion , but he intentionally hide that from us.

Second , prophet did not know this , but after his death , some scholar or saint understood this .

In Both cases this is wrong and a major sin.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Milad was started probably 600 years after prophet died , that too by some sultan who saw Christians celebrating birth of Jesus as Christmas. Though surprisingly Jesus being born on that day is itself not proved.

These people claim to follow Imam Hanifa , shafi etc etc , but they also did not celebrate this.
In Islam birthdays have no significance at all. If that was the case Allah swt would have mentioned dates of birth of several prophet or Muhammad SAW would have celebrated birthday of Ibrahim AS.

This is Innovation.

Now , why this is wrong. Because when we do these kind of innovations , it can imply two things.

First , prophet knew this was a good thing in religion , but he intentionally hide that from us.

Second , prophet did not know this , but after his death , some scholar or saint understood this .

In Both cases this is wrong and a major sin.

Agree with this. All this lighting and stuff will bring no benefit to society. Instead it is waste of money that can be used for other important purposes.

 

[Kroll]

Agree with this. All this lighting and stuff will bring no benefit to society. Instead it is waste of money that can be used for other important purposes.

A bit of lighting and decoration is not bringing any harm, plus from what I can see especially in Pakistan, money is spent on feeding the poor in the communities.

 

[Farhan The Man]

A bit of lighting and decoration is not bringing any harm, plus from what I can see especially in Pakistan, money is spent on feeding the poor in the communities.

Pakistan experiences chronic power shortages, health care facilities are better served than to have deity-worshippers keep up christmas-like celebrations.

Lest we forget the noise pollution and traffic havoc this day creates. No harm you say.

 

[Kroll]

Pakistan experiences chronic power shortages, health care facilities are better served than to have deity-worshippers keep up christmas-like celebrations.

Lest we forget the noise pollution and traffic havoc this day creates. No harm you say.

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Apologies I didn't mean it in an ignorant way, its a very sensitive topic and as you say its very much a desi thing exported to other countries as well now.

But given the popularity of the events as evidenced in your photo, it could be assumed many people would be fine with the disruptions caused.

 

[Farhan The Man]

Apologies I didn't mean it in an ignorant way, its a very sensitive topic and as you say its very much a desi thing exported to other countries as well now.

But given the popularity of the events as evidenced in your photo, it could be assumed many people would be fine with the disruptions caused.

The ones in the majority are not in the crowd, without weapons.

And the notorious blasphemy law ensures any resistance to deity-worshippers is culled with slit of a throat; and/or immediate burn down with family members, sometimes even rape.

 

[Kroll]

The ones in the majority are not in the crowd, without weapons.

And the notorious blasphemy law ensures any resistance to deity-worshippers is culled with slit of a throat; and/or immediate burn down with family members, sometimes even rape.

Ok dude, thanks for informing me.

 

[chinaman00]

For me it always comes back to this point.

The sahaba loved the prophet so much that they would rush to grab his saliva, or droplets of water he has done wuzu with.

After the Prophet left this world they didn't do milads, not did the other generations after them.

For me that's enough for me to think it's a waste of time. I think calling it haram is incorrect though.

Well said. If the sahaba and the first generation didn’t do it, then it puts a big question mark on its validity. I personally don’t celebrate.

If you love the Prophet (SAW) then read the Quran and follow the sunnah of God’s messenger. That’s the best and safest way to honor our beloved Prophet (SAW).

 

[BouncerGuy]

Well said. If the sahaba and the first generation didn’t do it, then it puts a big question mark on its validity. I personally don’t celebrate.

If you love the Prophet (SAW) then read the Quran and follow the sunnah of God’s messenger. That’s the best and safest way to honor our beloved Prophet (SAW).

Well said. People try to introduce new things every day. try to follow QURAN and the SUNNAH. That's the best way to HONOR THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD (SAW).

 

[Farhan The Man]

Well said. People try to introduce new things every day. try to follow QURAN and the SUNNAH. That's the best way to HONOR THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD (SAW).

Hyperbole this. In caps for some reason.

Enlighten us on the need for shouting out?

Following sunnah in modern times is detrimental to one's existence. zakir naik serves the example.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Hyperbole this. In caps for some reason.

Enlighten us on the need for shouting out?

Following sunnah in modern times is detrimental to one's existence. zakir naik serves the example.

Instead of dismissing the sunnah as detrimental, it might be more constructive to explore how its teachings can be applied in a way that benefits both Muslims and non-muslims alike.

 

[Farhan The Man]

Guaranteed you didn't read sunnah books, hence this rosy view of what it entails.

Let's start with chapter dedicated on thighing: how to satisfy older men with underage girls.

There's more loathsome stories within. You can censor facts, but truth prevails eventually.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Guaranteed you didn't read sunnah books, hence this rosy view of what it entails.

Let's start with chapter dedicated on thighing: how to satisfy older men with underage girls.

There's more loathsome stories within. You can censor facts, but truth prevails eventually.

what SUNNAH book have you read brother that you are making this claim????

 

[chinaman00]

Hyperbole this. In caps for some reason.

Enlighten us on the need for shouting out?

Following sunnah in modern times is detrimental to one's existence. zakir naik serves the example.

This is outrageous statement. Subhanallah.

 

[chinaman00]

Guaranteed you didn't read sunnah books, hence this rosy view of what it entails.

Let's start with chapter dedicated on thighing: how to satisfy older men with underage girls.

There's more loathsome stories within. You can censor facts, but truth prevails eventually.

I hope you’re not offended by my question and sincere apologies if you deem it offensive, but I want to know if you are a Muslim?

No Muslim will attack the Sunnah of the Prophet (SAW). You might question the legitimacy of certain Hadith but the Sunnah & Quran are off limits. When you criticize the Sunnah, you are essentially criticizing the Prophet (SAW).

 

[BouncerGuy]

I hope you’re not offended by my question and sincere apologies if you deem it offensive, but I want to know if you are a Muslim?

No Muslim will attack the Sunnah of the Prophet (SAW). You might question the legitimacy of certain Hadith but the Sunnah & Quran are off limits. When you criticize the Sunnah, you are essentially criticizing the Prophet (SAW).

He is not I guess because no Muslim can say the stuff he is saying. I asked him a simple question about Sunnah Book. waiting for his answer.

 

[Farhan The Man]

what SUNNAH book have you read brother that you are making this claim????

You are right in your assertion of this particular act not in sunnah, but a lengthy fatwa by khomeini. these mullahs are awful!

Do correct my inaccurate post earlier, which is factually wrong. I own this mistake.

The fatwa is highly graphic in nature, hence not posting here.

 

[Justcrazy]

I hope you’re not offended by my question and sincere apologies if you deem it offensive, but I want to know if you are a Muslim?

No Muslim will attack the Sunnah of the Prophet (SAW). You might question the legitimacy of certain Hadith but the Sunnah & Quran are off limits. When you criticize the Sunnah, you are essentially criticizing the Prophet (SAW).

Brother , there is no point in discussing all these things with an atheist . Yes , with Non Muslims we can discus because that person also believes in God and scriptures.

The first point of debate with an atheist is existence of God. That is the fundamental question. Otherwise , if we keep answering their questions , there will never be end to questions. There has been around 60 thousand books written against Islam , is it possible to answer all this in one life time?

If you answer one point they will keep jumping around.

Thus the first question to be asked is existence of God. Rest of the questions will be cleared automatically.

 

[Farhan The Man]

I hope you’re not offended by my question and sincere apologies if you deem it offensive, but I want to know if you are a Muslim?

No Muslim will attack the Sunnah of the Prophet (SAW). You might question the legitimacy of certain Hadith but the Sunnah & Quran are off limits. When you criticize the Sunnah, you are essentially criticizing the Prophet (SAW).

Ofcourse I am not offended. It's the opposite actually.

I take great pride in the fact that I am not you. Very unlike you.

 

[BouncerGuy]

You are right in your assertion of this particular act not in sunnah, but a lengthy fatwa by khomeini. these mullahs are awful!

Do correct my inaccurate post earlier, which is factually wrong. I own this mistake.

The fatwa is highly graphic in nature, hence not posting here.

If the act is not in SUnnah then please do not make fun of such things because you have no knowledge.

 

[IAJ]

Really don't understand why this is being discussed so much. Those who celebrate Mawlid by thanking Allah SWT fot the greatest Naimat He SWT has given us should keep celebrating it. These pakistani wahabis think celebrating Mawlid is someithing started in Indian subcontinent. A large part of Ummah celebrate it, many countries in ME do it, almost in every country in Northeren Africa it's also celebrated. The najdis/wahabbis will keep saying it's innovation. Let them do that and wait for the hereafter. They will know and we will know In sha Allah.

 

[Justcrazy]

Really don't understand why this is being discussed so much. Those who celebrate Mawlid by thanking Allah SWT fot the greatest Naimat He SWT has given us should keep celebrating it. These pakistani wahabis think celebrating Mawlid is someithing started in Indian subcontinent. A large part of Ummah celebrate it, many countries in ME do it, almost in every country in Northeren Africa it's also celebrated. The najdis/wahabbis will keep saying it's innovation. Let them do that and wait for the hereafter. They will know and we will know In sha Allah.

Yes , it was not started in subcontinent but somewhere else , but where it started does not make it correct.

There were innovations that started in Arab as well , that also did not make it right. If you want I can give you examples.

The ayat of Quran through which you form basis of Milad , was known to companions as well. And as far as I feel they know Arabic better than most of scholars we know , and their piety and love for prophet was also superior to all those scholars.
Yet none of them interpreted this ayat with those actions.

After death of prophet , possibly after 500 years suddenly some people realized that we need to celebrate the birth of prophet.

This Milad was started to counter the Christmas by christians.

 

[shamaan]

Those from you hear , ask them evidence . I give a **** about any sect , making sectsis itself wrong in Islam.

All these terms have been devised by your Mullahs who are goal keepers of there sects.

If you talk about Tawheed you are wahabi
If you talk about ahle bayat you are shia
If you talk about prophet you are barelvi etc etc.

And those who told you I told them to make another thread and we will see in detail what blunders their so called scholars have done . I just want to stick to the point discussed in these thread.

If you ask me my opinion , I do not consider the wahabi rulers that are in charge now to be even Muslims , because they are helping in killing of other Muslims. Right from the first Monarch , Muawiyah to the one till date , they have hurt Islam a lot.

But that does not mean I will multiple them by zero.

What do you want me to debate me on ?

 

[shamaan]

Does anyone want to have a debate on Mawlid ?

 

[Suleiman]

This is a bid’ah and innovation that no sahaba ever engaged in let alone the Prophet peace be upon him, and to those celebrating it or condone as “not a big deal” from the words of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him himself:

Jabir ibn ‘Abdillah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, would praise Allah in his sermon, as He deserves to be praised, and then say, “Whomever Allah guides, no one can lead him astray. Whomever Allah sends astray, no one can guide him. The truest word is the Book of Allah, and the best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The most evil matters in religion are those that are newly invented, for every newly invented matter is an innovation, every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in the Hellfire.”

Source: Sunan al-Nasā’ī 1578

Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani

This Hadith should be put on a billboard near every “shrine” or mosque that innovates and has added so much of their own wishful practices that they have deviated who knows how much at this point.

Astaghfirullah. Just because something sounds good to you doesn’t mean you play with Islam and just add it in. Look at what the Christians did to the message of Prophet Isa peace be upon him by just adding whatever “felt right”

 

[LordJames]

Does anyone want to have a debate on Mawlid ?

This is a bid’ah and innovation that no sahaba ever engaged in let alone the Prophet peace be upon him, and to those celebrating it or condone as “not a big deal” from the words of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him himself:



This Hadith should be put on a billboard near every “shrine” or mosque that innovates and has added so much of their own wishful practices that they have deviated who knows how much at this point. Astaghfirullah.

The issue is not Mawlid or praising Prophet Muhammad ﷺ, the issue is ascribing a single day for Mawlid and there is no evidence for it from the Qu'raan and Sunnah whatever that date may be e.g. 12th of Rabiul-Awwal or 27th of Rajab or 10th of Muharram. The second issue is what is done during Mawlid i.e. free mixing, certain rituals and considering them to be virtuous.

Case 1: As an example lets say PakPassion organizes an online event on October 27, 2025 and dedicates it to praising the noble birth and life of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ and different posters post Nasheeds (duff or now Music) and incidents from the Sunnah etc, such an event cannot be classed as Bid'ah as it is Mubah (permissible).

Case 2: Lets suppose that a Moderator from Pakpassion organizes an event on the same date at his home and people join in and sing Nasheeds or mention incidents from the Seerah then this is also Mubah (permissible).

Case 3: Lets suppose that a Moderator from Pakpassion organises an event on the same date at his home and those who are there think that Prophet Muhammad ﷺ is physically present at that location then there is no evidence of that from Qu'raan and Sunnah.

Case 4: Lets suppose that a Moderator from Pakpassion organizes an event on the same date and men and women combine and sing along etc then there is no evidence of that from Qu'raan and Sunnah.

Case 5: Now lets say Pakpassion organizes an an online event on September 15, 2025 and states that it is the day of birthday of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ then thre is no evidence for this in Qur'aan and Sunnah.

So what do people mean by Mawlid (I know that the word means Birth in Arabic) but there is nothing wrong with organising an event and depends on date/format/structure etc.​

 

[sweep_shot]

Mawlid wasn't mentioned in Quran and Sunnah. It was added later on.

So, I don't celebrate it as Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and his companions didn't celebrate it.

I only celebrate Eid-ul-Fitr and Eid-ul-Adha.

 

[LordJames]

Mawlid wasn't mentioned in Quran and Sunnah. It was added later on.

So, I don't celebrate it as Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and his companions didn't celebrate it.

I only celebrate Eid-ul-Fitr and Eid-ul-Adha.

The date of birth of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) isn't agreed upon in Islam and there are differing opinions. The difference of opinion in itself points to the fact that it is not something which the companions of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) marked or celebrated or authentically transmitted.

The year and day of birth of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) is authentically narrated.

 

[shamaan]

This is a bid’ah and innovation that no sahaba ever engaged in let alone the Prophet peace be upon him, and to those celebrating it or condone as “not a big deal” from the words of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him himself:



This Hadith should be put on a billboard near every “shrine” or mosque that innovates and has added so much of their own wishful practices that they have deviated who knows how much at this point.

Astaghfirullah. Just because something sounds good to you doesn’t mean you play with Islam and just add it in. Look at what the Christians did to the message of Prophet Isa peace be upon him by just adding whatever “felt right”

what does Imaam Sayuti say about mawlid.why do people fast on Mondays.Abu Lahab's punishment ?

 

[shamaan]

Mawlid wasn't mentioned in Quran and Sunnah. It was added later on.

So, I don't celebrate it as Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and his companions didn't celebrate it.

I only celebrate Eid-ul-Fitr and Eid-ul-Adha.

Prophet Muhammrd SAW fasted on Monday.

 

[shamaan]

The issue is not Mawlid or praising Prophet Muhammad ﷺ, the issue is ascribing a single day for Mawlid and there is no evidence for it from the Qu'raan and Sunnah whatever that date may be e.g. 12th of Rabiul-Awwal or 27th of Rajab or 10th of Muharram. The second issue is what is done during Mawlid i.e. free mixing, certain rituals and considering them to be virtuous.

Case 1: As an example lets say PakPassion organizes an online event on October 27, 2025 and dedicates it to praising the noble birth and life of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ and different posters post Nasheeds (duff or now Music) and incidents from the Sunnah etc, such an event cannot be classed as Bid'ah as it is Mubah (permissible).

Case 2: Lets suppose that a Moderator from Pakpassion organizes an event on the same date at his home and people join in and sing Nasheeds or mention incidents from the Seerah then this is also Mubah (permissible).

Case 3: Lets suppose that a Moderator from Pakpassion organises an event on the same date at his home and those who are there think that Prophet Muhammad ﷺ is physically present at that location then there is no evidence of that from Qu'raan and Sunnah.

Case 4: Lets suppose that a Moderator from Pakpassion organizes an event on the same date and men and women combine and sing along etc then there is no evidence of that from Qu'raan and Sunnah.

Case 5: Now lets say Pakpassion organizes an an online event on September 15, 2025 and states that it is the day of birthday of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ then thre is no evidence for this in Qur'aan and Sunnah.

So what do people mean by Mawlid (I know that the word means Birth in Arabic) but there is nothing wrong with organising an event and depends on date/format/structure etc.​

Free mixing isn't allowed and if it does happen it's laymen/women.

 

[sweep_shot]

Prophet Muhammrd SAW fasted on Monday.

Yes. He (PBUH) emphasized on fasting on Mondays and Thursdays I believe. Here it is: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/69781.

Anyway, it is not related to Mawlid.

 

[shamaan]

Yes. He used to fast on Mondays and Thursdays I believe. Here it is: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/69781.

Anyway, it is not related to Mawlid.

So why did muhammed saw fast on Mondays ?

 

[sweep_shot]

So why did muhammed saw fast on Mondays ?

It was not related to Mawlid. It was for another reason. See below:

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Virtues of fasting on Mondays and Thursdays​

There follow a number of ahadeeth which encourage fasting on Mondays and Thursdays:

1 –Abu Qatadah al-Ansari narrated that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was asked about fasting on Mondays. He said: “On that day I was born, and on it the Revelation came to me.” (Narrated by Muslim, 1162)

2 – ‘Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was keen to fast on Mondays and Thursdays. (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 745; al-Nasai, 2361; Ibn Majah, 1739; classed as saheeh by al-Albani in Saheeh al-Targheeb, 1044)

3 –Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Deeds are shown (to Allah) on Mondays and Thursdays, and I like my deeds to be shown when I am fasting.” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 747; classed as saheeh by al-Albani in Saheeh al-Targheeb, 1041)

Source: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/697...th#Virtues_offasting_on_Mondays_and_Thursdays.

 

[Suleiman]

what does Imaam Sayuti say about mawlid.why do people fast on Mondays.Abu Lahab's punishment ?

None of what you said justifies celebrating mawlid.

Fasting on Mondays is a sunnah. Tell me where he PBUH says to fast Monday because it was for the day he was born?

If Mawlid was to be celebrated a) Prophet Muhammad PBUH would’ve said so and his companions RA who loved him more than we ever could would’ve done so. B) just like the Eid’s have specific dates to be celebrated on, so would his birthday which to this day has disagreements amongst scholars regarding the exact day- how could a day that is supposed to be celebrated be up in the air? c) refer to above Hadith about innovating in religion.

You’re trying to connect dots that don’t exist and ignoring the actual authenticated Hadith on innovation

 

[LordJames]

None of what you said justifies celebrating mawlid.

Fasting on Mondays is a sunnah. Tell me where he PBUH says to fast Monday because it was for the day he was born?

If Mawlid was to be celebrated a) Prophet Muhammad PBUH would’ve said so and his companions RA who loved him more than we ever could would’ve done so. B) just like the Eid’s have specific dates to be celebrated on, so would his birthday which to this day has disagreements amongst scholars regarding the exact day- how could a day that is supposed to be celebrated be up in the air? c) refer to above Hadith about innovating in religion.

You’re trying to connect dots that don’t exist and ignoring the actual authenticated Hadith on innovation

Brother @Suleiman

It is authentically narrated about Fasting on Monday.

Abu Qatadah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was asked about fasting on Mondays. He said, "That is the day on which I was born and the day on which I received Revelation." [Muslim].

 

[shamaan]

None of what you said justifies celebrating mawlid.

Fasting on Mondays is a sunnah. Tell me where he PBUH says to fast Monday because it was for the day he was born?

If Mawlid was to be celebrated a) Prophet Muhammad PBUH would’ve said so and his companions RA who loved him more than we ever could would’ve done so. B) just like the Eid’s have specific dates to be celebrated on, so would his birthday which to this day has disagreements amongst scholars regarding the exact day- how could a day that is supposed to be celebrated be up in the air? c) refer to above Hadith about innovating in religion.

You’re trying to connect dots that don’t exist and ignoring the actual authenticated Hadith on innovation

Abu Qatadah al-Ansari narrated that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was asked about fasting on Mondays. He said: “On that day I was born, and on it the Revelation came to me.” (Narrated by Muslim, 1162).

 

[Suleiman]

Brother @Suleiman

It is authentically narrated about Fasting on Monday.

Abu Qatadah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was asked about fasting on Mondays. He said, "That is the day on which I was born and the day on which I received Revelation." [Muslim].

It is a sunnah, I said so above as well.

However a specific date was not given to celebrate in the form of Mawlid.

Every Monday and Thursday is recommended for fasting unless Eid ul Fitr is on that day.

But a specific Monday with a specific date for his PBUH birthday? Doesn’t exist. As I said the specific date has dispute amongst the well known scholars even regarding his PBUH exact birthday.

That is because Allah SWT is crystal clear about our dates of celebration and thus pinpointed them with exact dates.

The Mawlid celebration not having that level of specification means it was never celebrated in the past by the salaf of this Ummah and yet another reason it’s an innovation.

@shamaan

 

[sweep_shot]

Abu Qatadah al-Ansari narrated that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was asked about fasting on Mondays. He said: “On that day I was born, and on it the Revelation came to me.” (Narrated by Muslim, 1162).

Mawlid was not celebrated by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and his companions.

Fasting on Mondays and Thursdays were due to this (see below):

Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Deeds are shown (to Allah) on Mondays and Thursdays, and I like my deeds to be shown when I am fasting.” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 747; classed as saheeh by al-Albani in Saheeh al-Targheeb, 1041)

 

[Suleiman]

Eid ul Adha = 10th day of Dhul Hajj
Eid Ul Fitr = 1st day of Shawwal
Mawlid= ?

Allah does not leave important ahkam and obligations even celebrations up in the air.

Had Mawlid been an official day of celebration it would’ve been specified. Just saying “because we can fast every Monday and Thursday” is not good enough.

 

[LordJames]

It is a sunnah, I said so above as well.

However a specific date was not given to celebrate in the form of Mawlid.

Every Monday and Thursday is recommended for fasting unless Eid ul Fitr is on that day.

But a specific Monday with a specific date for his PBUH birthday? Doesn’t exist. As I said the specific date has dispute amongst the well known scholars even regarding his PBUH exact birthday.

That is because Allah SWT is crystal clear about our dates of celebration and thus pinpointed them with exact dates.

The Mawlid celebration not having that level of specification means it was never celebrated in the past by the salaf of this Ummah and yet another reason it’s an innovation.

@shamaan

No, a specific date doesn't exist in Islam.

Mawlid was not celebrated by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and his companions.

Fasting on Mondays and Thursdays were due to this (see below):

Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Deeds are shown (to Allah) on Mondays and Thursdays, and I like my deeds to be shown when I am fasting.” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 747; classed as saheeh by al-Albani in Saheeh al-Targheeb, 1041)

However, if a person fasts on (any Monday) and their intention is that because its Sunnah due to birth of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) being on Monday then it would be correct as stated by Dr Aminah Bilal Phillips and many others.

 

[Suleiman]

Milad was started probably 600 years after prophet died , that too by some sultan who saw Christians celebrating birth of Jesus as Christmas. Though surprisingly Jesus being born on that day is itself not proved.

These people claim to follow Imam Hanifa , shafi etc etc , but they also did not celebrate this.
In Islam birthdays have no significance at all. If that was the case Allah swt would have mentioned dates of birth of several prophet or Muhammad SAW would have celebrated birthday of Ibrahim AS.

This is Innovation.

Now , why this is wrong. Because when we do these kind of innovations , it can imply two things.

First , prophet knew this was a good thing in religion , but he intentionally hide that from us.

Second , prophet did not know this , but after his death , some scholar or saint understood this .

In Both cases this is wrong and a major sin.

This

 

[Suleiman]

No, a specific date doesn't exist in Islam.



However, if a person fasts on (any Monday) and their intention is that because its Sunnah due to birth of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) being on Monday then it would be correct as stated by Dr Aminah Bilal Phillips and many others.

That I am ok with and again it’s because we have a Hadith with authenticity saying so.

But having a Mawlid is a clear cut Bidah. It goes beyond the scope of fasting every Monday and Thursday. You are not singling out any one Monday as an occasion when you follow the sunnah of the Monday and Thursday fast.

Where the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad PBUH begins and ends, we draw the line at. We don’t overstep.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

So why did muhammed saw fast on Mondays ?

He fasted every fourth day I believe (I may be wrong). The level of excellence in piety and submission to Allah that Prophet SAW displayed can't be outdone by any single soul. He set the bar for others to follow. Faraiz are something that are obligatory but Sunnah isn't. But following his Sunnah is an enormous and gigantic task. He even used to spend most of the night time for prayers. No other human can reach that level of ibadah that He (SAW) did.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I am not a religious scholar but my understanding is we shouldn't do something Prophet SAW himself didn't do. If Eid Milad un Nabi was to be celebrated, Prophet Muhammad SAW would have himself done that or told us to do so.
Once you try to do something that Prophet SAW himself didn't do, it becomes that you are now trying to do something better than than Him (SAW). Since he (SAW) is the best of the creations, one can't outdo his piety and righteousness.

 

[shamaan]

It is a sunnah, I said so above as well.

However a specific date was not given to celebrate in the form of Mawlid.

Every Monday and Thursday is recommended for fasting unless Eid ul Fitr is on that day.

But a specific Monday with a specific date for his PBUH birthday? Doesn’t exist. As I said the specific date has dispute amongst the well known scholars even regarding his PBUH exact birthday.

That is because Allah SWT is crystal clear about our dates of celebration and thus pinpointed them with exact dates.

The Mawlid celebration not having that level of specification means it was never celebrated in the past by the salaf of this Ummah and yet another reason it’s an innovation.

@shamaan

Are you saying the hadith is incorrect

 

[shamaan]

He fasted every fourth day I believe (I may be wrong). The level of excellence in piety and submission to Allah that Prophet SAW displayed can't be outdone by any single soul. He set the bar for others to follow. Faraiz are something that are obligatory but Sunnah isn't. But following his Sunnah is an enormous and gigantic task. He even used to spend most of the night time for prayers. No other human can reach that level of ibadah that He (SAW) did.

He fasted every fourth day I believe (I may be wrong). The level of excellence in piety and submission to Allah that Prophet SAW displayed can't be outdone by any single soul. He set the bar for others to follow. Faraiz are something that are obligatory but Sunnah isn't. But following his Sunnah is an enormous and gigantic task. He even used to spend most of the night time for prayers. No other human can reach that level of ibadah that He (SAW) did.

You said prove It that Muhammed saw said fast on Monday and I did threw hadith.

No one is saying that anyone can reach the level of ibadah

 

[LordJames]

You said prove It that Muhammed saw said fast on Monday and I did threw hadith.

No one is saying that anyone can reach the level of ibadah

Dear Brother @shamaan,

The point being made is very simple.

Since we do not know which day Prophet Muhammad ﷺ was born, his birthday cannot be celebrated.

 

[shamaan]

I am not a religious scholar but my understanding is we shouldn't do something Prophet SAW himself didn't do. If Eid Milad un Nabi was to be celebrated, Prophet Muhammad SAW would have himself done that or told us to do so.
Once you try to do something that Prophet SAW himself didn't do, it becomes that you are now trying to do something better than than Him (SAW). Since he (SAW) is the best of the creations, one can't outdo his piety and righteousness.

Dear Brother @shamaan,

The point being made is very simple.

Since we do not know which day Prophet Muhammad ﷺ was born, his birthday cannot be celebrated.

Mawlid should be celebrated throwout the year and extra effort should be made in rabi ul sharif....

 

[Suleiman]

Are you saying the hadith is incorrect

I’m not.

I’m saying your extrapolation of using the Hadith saying to fast Monday and Thursday to justify celebrating Mawlid and ignoring this Hadith is incorrect:

Jabir ibn ‘Abdillah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, would praise Allah in his sermon, as He deserves to be praised, and then say, “Whomever Allah guides, no one can lead him astray. Whomever Allah sends astray, no one can guide him. The truest word is the Book of Allah, and the best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The most evil matters in religion are those that are newly invented, for every newly invented matter is an innovation, every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in the Hellfire.”

Source: Sunan al-Nasā’ī 1578

Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani

 

[shamaan]

Tarawee is a bidah
compiled quran together biddah
Fixing congregational prayer times with the clock times

All biddah