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Should Misbah-ul-Haq retire before the SCG Test?

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Not fair to ask him to prolong his career just for the sake of the team. He has served the team well and should have the luxury to retire when he wants. I feel Shahryar Khan has been unfair on Misbah asking him to extend his stay.

Misbah should do a Dhoni here.

Meanwhile, YK should also decide when he wants to retire soon.
 
The Australians believe that once retirement gets in the head of any player, it's foolish to stop him as he's mentally not there!

Misbah I believe has been ready to go since England! As big of a fan as I am of him, he shouldn't stay!

The answer is.. yes!
 
He should have gone after England on a high. Very soon we will be hitting rock bottom in Tests as well
 
Yes

It is in his own interest and will lead to respect
 
He shouldn't retire instead he should be kicked out.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out , Misbah.
 
NauV said:
The Australians believe that once retirement gets in the head of any player, it's foolish to stop him as he's mentally not there!

Misbah I believe has been ready to go since England! As big of a fan as I am of him, he shouldn't stay!

The answer is.. yes!
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Yes. He mentally looks already retired.
 
He should, there is no point in him playing another Test now that the series is lost.

Misbah should step down and allow Sarfraz/Azhar a chance to lead the side in Sydney, his retirement will give a youngster a valuable match in Aus to learn from too.
 
He doesn't look like scoring a run atm. If he even had the slightest bit of form one could have said he could make some runs at Sydney and bow out with some respect but at this rate if he plays there he will be embarassed again and it will be an even sadder way to go.
 
arehaan said:
He should have gone after England on a high. Very soon we will be hitting rock bottom in Tests as well
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It would have been very hard on Azhar/Sarfraz to tour Australia so early in their captaincy. Getting thrashed here would have done them a lot of damage, and obviously the results would have been no different.

Misbah had to take this one. His legacy is already cemented and he can walk away with his head high. I hope he can score one final hundred in Sydney and sign off on a personal high.
 
Rubbish captain.. after azhar and sarfraz need to groom Mohammad amir.. we need a bowling captain..



Misbah has been the worst captain I have seen.. Every Pakistani fan was knew the Aus can win this. But Pakistan attitude coming out was so ugly disgracefulll performance
 
Who cares? He wanted to play 2015 world cup despite he was finished as an ODI player a year back and he was desperate to continue his test career despite he was done and dusted long ago. A selfish player like him when get so much power you do not care about your cricket anymore.
 
He will selfishly cling on till he is dropped. Same happened with T20 side, same happened with ODI side and now same will happen with test side.

Misbah should not have played a single match after the 2011 WC, but here we are six years later still suffering from this pathetic player
 
Noman said:
Rubbish captain.. after azhar and sarfraz need to groom Mohammad amir.. we need a bowling captain..



Misbah has been the worst captain I have seen.. Every Pakistani fan was knew the Aus can win this. But Pakistan attitude coming out was so ugly disgracefulll performance
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I have maintained this all these years that all success Pakistan under Misbah had was purely due to spinners. You make Afridi captain of test team and he would also beat Aussies and English teams on UAE's turning pitches. Just like Azhar Ali smashed WI 3-0 in ODIs.

Misbah was always arrogant ever since he won the series against English side 3-0 and this arrogance has now fallen and well exposed..I'm very happy not because Pakistan lost but because an arrogant skipper brought down to earth and showed his true caliber. good day for me.
 
Syed1 said:
Misbah should not have played a single match after the 2011 WC, but here we are six years later still suffering from this pathetic player
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ok now this is just not true
 
Mamoon said:
It would have been very hard on Azhar/Sarfraz to tour Australia so early in their captaincy. Getting thrashed here would have done them a lot of damage, and obviously the results would have been no different.

Misbah had to take this one. His legacy is already cemented and he can walk away with his head high. I hope he can score one final hundred in Sydney and sign off on a personal high.
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Can't say I'm often in agreement with your cricketing views, but have to really commend you for this post (and many similar ones you've written on the subject of Misbah).

The knives are out, and for you to say that is very classy indeed.
 
MRSN said:
I have maintained this all these years that all success Pakistan under Misbah had was purely due to spinners. You make Afridi captain of test team and he would also beat Aussies and English teams on UAE's turning pitches. Just like Azhar Ali smashed WI 3-0 in ODIs.

Misbah was always arrogant ever since he won the series against English side 3-0 and this arrogance has now fallen and well exposed..I'm very happy not because Pakistan lost but because an arrogant skipper brought down to earth and showed his true caliber. good day for me.
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Shame on you!

But Umar Akmal and Shehzad will remain the clowns they are and aren't coming back so not a good day for you
 
Syed1 said:
He will selfishly cling on till he is dropped. Same happened with T20 side, same happened with ODI side and now same will happen with test side.

Misbah should not have played a single match after the 2011 WC, but here we are six years later still suffering from this pathetic player
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A true gentleman leaves the ground when he knows he is not good enough. Look at BM. Look at Clarke. They do not continue despite passing their sell by date.
 
MRSN said:
A true gentleman leaves the ground when he knows he is not good enough. Look at BM. Look at Clarke. They do not continue despite passing their sell by date.
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well Afridi didnt either
 
No he should continue the series is done after that WI tour and back in UAE where he is so successful business as usual he should retire before SA tour in 2018/19
 
Kianig89 said:
No he should continue the series is done after that WI tour and back in UAE where he is so successful business as usual he should retire before SA tour in 2018/19
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So that when the next set of overseas tours come you again have to chose a new captain and then the PCB chief decides to rather continue with Misbah?
 
Series is over, it doesn't even matter now. He should play his last and final test.
 
Slog said:
Shame on you!

But Umar Akmal and Shehzad will remain the clowns they are and aren't coming back so not a good day for you
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Its not about names it's about thinking mentality and approach. Misbah left ODI side and it is showing hint of improvement after he is kicked out of test side too we will see improvements.

Tell me captaining a side for 6 years and you can't realize the importance of an spinner and building an all rounder in the team then what exactly you are good at? Ever since bans on Ajmal and Hafeez he did not push for specialist off spinners. We have plenty of off spinners who may not be on the same quality as Ashwin but at least he as a captain could have forced selectors to pick one in the side? he was too happy with the likes of Imran Khan and Zulifqar baber.

A good captain is the one that builds team for future not look for shortcuts. The sad fact is Misbah always looked for short cuts to win because he knew he would stay for a short time and didn't risk losing that's why he didn't risk building a team with experiments.
 
Coming from a diehard Misbah fan, this match hurt so bad.

So many successes and dominance under Misbah. It's not even that he was beaten by pace or anything he literally played such stupid shots..

He should've left after England. This hurts so bad I can't believe we lost the series in this way. So close the 1st match and collapse now.
 
I am not sure if he needs announce retirement in the middle of the series. But I think he should step down (injury whatever) for the next match. Thereafter he may retire when back home.
Although I would ideally want yk to step down as well.
 
Speedster777 said:
Wahab, Misbah, Younis, Sohail Khan all should retire.
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Misbah should take his tried and tested failures with him. It will be a great service to Pakistan. May have forgotten Younis Khan.

It's shame whenever Yasir SHah failed Misbah didn't have any tricks in his bag to make opposition suffer. Just take out Yasir Shah and Ajmal out of equation and Misbah's mental strength and his captaincy logic would struggle to get one batsman out. forget the team.
 
Statsman said:
So that when the next set of overseas tours come you again have to chose a new captain and then the PCB chief decides to rather continue with Misbah?
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No Misbah will be on the next set of overseas tour, and the next ones after that, and the ones after that.. basically Misbah has been given the role of our test captain for life.
 
Mamoon said:
It would have been very hard on Azhar/Sarfraz to tour Australia so early in their captaincy. Getting thrashed here would have done them a lot of damage, and obviously the results would have been no different.

Misbah had to take this one. His legacy is already cemented and he can walk away with his head high. I hope he can score one final hundred in Sydney and sign off on a personal high.
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Well atleast we would have classified it as part of learning and come next tour the captain would be made much better equipped to handle aus conditions. Anyways let's see what happens next now that we don't have any test cricket for some time. We will be back to our normal position of 5 or 6.
 
160KPH said:
Coming from a diehard Misbah fan, this match hurt so bad.

So many successes and dominance under Misbah. It's not even that he was beaten by pace or anything he literally played such stupid shots..

He should've left after England. This hurts so bad I can't believe we lost the series in this way. So close the 1st match and collapse now.
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it's okay. We wanted to give our seniors(YK,Misbah) ODI farewell by gifting ODI world cup and now we have successfully given our seniors another farewell by gifting two tours that we get after 7-8 years. Mission accomplished.
 
Boi said:
He doesn't look like scoring a run atm. If he even had the slightest bit of form one could have said he could make some runs at Sydney and bow out with some respect but at this rate if he plays there he will be embarassed again and it will be an even sadder way to go.
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it's not about form mate. He is just not capable of scoring runs in conditions helpful for bowlers. Look at his averages in SA and Aus and SL. Even NZ he has been very poor. he is perfect definition of a flat track bully.
 
Well about time. But he deserves respect for changing Pak crickets image more than anything. The turn around from 2010 to no.1 in England, these defeats wont really tarnish his legacy. Best Pak captain after Imran.
 
MRSN said:
it's okay. We wanted to give our seniors(YK,Misbah) ODI farewell by gifting ODI world cup and now we have successfully given our seniors another farewell by gifting two tours that we get after 7-8 years. Mission accomplished.
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To be fair, both the ODI world cup failure and the failure on this and the New Zealand tour have been a collective effort.
Misbah at least performed in ODI World Cup, but since then in Tests him, Younis, Wahab, Babar Azam, Sami Aslam have not impressed at all.

What's even worse is the fact that we just don't have anyone to replace them. No one in Domestics is that impressive. I thnk that's what hurts the most is that even the best we have on display are playing like this. How did we go from Wasim and Waqar to Sohail and Wahab.
 
Misbah could be retiring before or after SCG

"I've always said if i cant contribute as a player then i will retire and its something i have to think abt before SCG or end of the series" - Misbah
 
Feel sad for him, but even i think he will have to retire after this series.
 
Yes Misbah and YK both need to call it quits asap... Misbah wanted to retire after England series in 2015, but the management forced him on.. he did well against England, but since then it has seemed apparent that he is declining at a very fast rate..
He was off color vs WI too
 
Maybe they'll keep YK on until he gets to 10,000 runs, but Misbah definitely has no reason to carry on
 
He has not retired from t20 and odi yet.

He is inflexible captain, he should be sacked, along with YK.
 
waleed88 said:
Maybe they'll keep YK on until he gets to 10,000 runs, but Misbah definitely has no reason to carry on
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I am pretty sure misbah will sit out but tactically for the next test match both misbah and yk should sit out
 
Yes, absolutely, both Misbah and YK should retire.
I have immense respect for them for the all the good things they have done over the years, but they need to retire with immediate effect.
 
Kashmiri_Pak_fan said:
I sense he will not play the last test
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That's the ONLY way, he can regain some respect. He had the stage after Oval - didn't do it right way; now the fall back strategy is what Mike Denness did in '74 or MSD couple of years back. AUS is the toughest place, if you are not top of your game.
 
Misbah has served the country well but I feel he is stretching his retirement. He just doesn't seem to be there mentally and his form his terrible so I feel he should retire right now.

Although I feel it is very unlikely that will happen so his absolute last game should be the SCG match.

And to think PCB wanted Misbah to continue till 2018. I'm a Misbah fan that's why I wanted him to retire after the England tour. No better way to leave than at the number 1 ranking.
 
MMHS said:
That's the ONLY way, he can regain some respect. He had the stage after Oval - didn't do it right way; now the fall back strategy is what Mike Denness did in '74 or MSD couple of years back. AUS is the toughest place, if you are not top of your game.
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Agreed, although I feel it's highly unlikely that Misbah would do that.
 
Major said:
"I've always said if i cant contribute as a player then i will retire and its something i have to think abt before SCG or end of the series" - Misbah
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Is there anything left to think about? It should've been an automatic decision provided his lackluster, insipid and tactless captaincy coupled with his woeful form with the bat and lets not even mention his old age translating into weary reflexes. Still the guy has the audacity to "think" about retirement after such shambolic performance that we witnessed today. If this isn't selfish attitude, then tell me what is?
 
hur rizvi said:
YEs, should do a Dhoni as stated in OP
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Duh !. Even Dhoni clung on to the test captiancy for way too long . The selectors should have had him booted like they had decided much earlier.
 
People know he isn't a special player. Neither does he possess any outstanding skills regarding the game.

However, he is a fighter. He won't go down till it's over.

Unfortunately for him, the end doesn't look pretty.
 
The problem is the next captain will be Azhar Ali and he himself does not inspire alot of confidence
 
Syed1 said:
Not happening as in AA wont be the captain or Misbah will cling on?
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PCB has seen enough of AA to know he isn't captaincy material.

I don't know if you were referring to next match or next series. If Misbah doesn't play in the next test, AA will probably be captain. But for the next permanent test captain, I'm sure it won't be AA. He's been pathetic as ODI skipper and even the diabolical PCB isn't stupid enough to appoint him as the permanent test captain.
 
Sarfarazian92 said:
PCB has seen enough of AA to know he isn't captaincy material.

I don't know if you were referring to next match or next series. If Misbah doesn't play in the next test, AA will probably be captain. But for the next permanent test captain, I'm sure it won't be AA. He's been pathetic as ODI skipper and even the diabolical PCB isn't stupid enough to appoint him as the permanent test captain.
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You give the PCB too much credit man
 
Pete Rose said:
I am pretty sure misbah will sit out but tactically for the next test match both misbah and yk should sit out
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Misbah has been tactically as bad as MoYO was for the Sydney test.. No planning whatsoever, batting has been the worse, if not as bad as his captaincy
 
Syed1 said:
No Misbah will be on the next set of overseas tour, and the next ones after that, and the ones after that.. basically Misbah has been given the role of our test captain for life.
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I think he needs a long time away from cricket now, and then he needs to earn his coaching career from the bottom up.
 
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Even if he does retire before SCG or after, I'm sure his protege will be handed the reins of Test team who'll further stagnate our development as a Test team and we'll further fall behind the rest of cricketing world, so people who think a change of captaincy will turn around things for Pakistan are deluded, our fortunes aren't changing anytime soon.
 
Junaids said:
I think he needs a long time away from cricket now, and then he needs to earn his coaching career from the bottom up.
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Who will you make next Captain?
 
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Would be extremely unfair on the next captain and bad for the team. You do not run away in the middle of a series. You take your responsibility and resign after the series is over
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Definitely not Amir.
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Give me a name doctor - you know, when you don't know the answer (or disease) you start deducting method - start putting name & let's see who survives at the end.
 
Indiafan said:
Would be extremely unfair on the next captain and bad for the team. You do not run away in the middle of a series. You take your responsibility and resign after the series is over
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The series is lost, it's best to give a new captain and player a chance when there is no pressure whatsoever.
 
No. Play that final test match, try your hardest to win and then sign off at the end of the tour instead of leaving the team with some many question marks.
 
Bilal7 said:
No. Play that final test match, try your hardest to win and then sign off at the end of the tour instead of leaving the team with some many question marks.
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Nothing is going to change, Australia will likely walk over this Pakistan side again. Futile giving Misbah another match just for the sake of it when you could give the chance to a youngster who could benefit greatly from the experience.
 
Here's why retiring in between an away series is a really bad idea for a captain

1) You are playing away from home and therefore have the added pressure. Its hostile territory. You cannot abandon your ship right in the middle of a tour.. You have to see it through

2) The new captain will not be mentally prepared. He would be focusing on his performance with bat or ball. In an away series there would already be too much pressure on him. The added responsibility of captaincy out of the blue will be devastating

3) After a series loss in a away series, suddenly getting the reins is really unfair. Usually new captains are tried at home

4) The previous captain would have had a say in squad selection etc. Its too late for a new captain to get the players he wants

5) The previous captain will still be in the dressing room as in an away team he cannot leave. So the new captain will still end up seeking his advice

6) The dressing room will be completely demoralized if they see someone like Misbah, whom they look up to, abandon them in the middle of the series
 
MMHS said:
Give me a name doctor - you know, when you don't know the answer (or disease) you start deducting method - start putting name & let's see who survives at the end.
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I have no idea how anyone would think Amir is captaincy material at this point of his career. He is already struggling to live up to expectations in bowling and I dont understand how saddling him with additional responsibility is going to help anyone. Not to mention the obvious anger in the other senior players. It will be a recipe for disaster whichever way you look at it
 
MMHS said:
Give me a name doctor - you know, when you don't know the answer (or disease) you start deducting method - start putting name & let's see who survives at the end.
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No harm in giving it to Azhar Ali who is the only one who makes the team on merit.

Amir brings too much baggage and until he starts picking wickets, even aesthetics won't keep him in the team for long.

Plus the added responsibility of being a captain might just totally destroy his bowling.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
No harm in giving it to Azhar Ali who is the only one who makes the team on merit.

Amir brings too much baggage and until he starts picking wickets, even aesthetics won't keep him in the team for long.

Plus the added responsibility of being a captain might just totally destroy his bowling.
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Why not Azhar - because he is tactically inept & defensive. Also, he is the only batsman in runs - making him Captain will over burden his pressure. Rest part, I am answering in other post -
 
Aman said:
Nothing is going to change, Australia will likely walk over this Pakistan side again. Futile giving Misbah another match just for the sake of it when you could give the chance to a youngster who could benefit greatly from the experience.
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The experience of what? The board needs to sit down and decide whether its Azhar or Sarfaraz that they want to give the armband to next. Pakistan has competed in this series and a few tweaks here and there, along with a little luck will see them win at the SCG.
 
Bilal7 said:
The experience of what? The board needs to sit down and decide whether its Azhar or Sarfaraz that they want to give the armband to next. Pakistan has competed in this series and a few tweaks here and there, along with a little luck will see them win at the SCG.
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The experience of batting of Australia and then building on from it.

In the first match, Pakistan only batted well in the last innings after the Aussies had declared their second innings. Australia were well in control of that game up until Shafiq's special.
 
Its intellectual dishonesty to assume Pakistan has competed in this series.

They were out of the 1st test match by the second day when they flopped to 67-8 and folded for 140 odd. The last innings was the most pressureless innings Pakistan ever played and was the only reason they actually made 400 plus. As soon as they got close to the score, they collapsed.

The 2nd test they scored 450 (somewhat of a competition) but after giving away 650 in 5 sessions one would have thought that's the end of incompetence.

They bettered that by being bowled out in less than 50 overs.

Only a chauvinistic blind person who can't see the truth if it stares at him in the face would have the gall to even say "they have competed".

Competition is not about winning the toss and racking up a big score.

It's about not being 2-0 down after 2 tests are over and guess what?

They are.
 
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