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Since 2011, each Ashes series has been won by the home team. Hence would it be a good idea to play Ashes in the following format to determine which team is actually better than the other?:

1) Home
2) Away
3) Neutral such as in India where no team will have a home advantage

Basically each side has become a home bully.
 
Why Ashes only?

Every series should be like that and then you will see how impractical this is
 
SM1989 said:
Since 2011, each Ashes series has been won by the home team. Hence would it be a good idea to play Ashes in the following format to determine which team is actually better than the other?:

1) Home
2) Away
3) Neutral such as in India where no team will have a home advantage

Basically each side has become a home bully.
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Yeah, and who will sponsor that series?
 
Here is the reason why it wont happen and shouldn't happen, it would not have the atmosphere of a ashes series, it would not mean anything to anyone. Ashes are a festival of cricket between Aus and Eng, the crowds are enormous and make the ashes what they are, playing in India or any other country would be a dull uninteresting match that no one really cares about.
 
5 ashes tests at eden wankhede chidambaram kotla mohali would be epic.
We can easily manage 20-25k spectators from 3 countries.
 
Actually a great idea. Ashes is kinda boring with the home side thrashing the one most of the times.

So when the action shifts to neutral spot, it can be exciting with a real winner emerging.

The neutral Ashes can be held in between the regular Ashes and not as a replacement of either one.

5 match series held in separate neutral countries presenting contrasting conditions with strict instructions to prepare pitches that each country is known for.

Will be amazing.

Wish it happens though it never will.
 
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More than the logistics and cultural feasibility of it, who do you think will win if they were held in:

1) India
2) South Africa
3) New Zealand
4) West Indies
5) Heck, Bangladesh?
 
Ashes is played for fans in Eng and Aus. Why will you hold it in some third country?

No one does that. Pakistan doing it because it's forced to do so.
 
No one will come to view it at the stadium. These teams lack the attraction outside their own countries.

Only sub continent teams, Sri lanka and Bangladesh are actually capable of attracting supporters in nuetral venues. West Indies to some extent also
 
The only country that may suit as a neutral venue for the Ashes is India. It will get a decent crowed size and following because of Indians who are conflicted in their opposition to England due to the Raj and Australians because it is supposedly cool to have Australia as your rival as an Indian. As confused as it sounds,, its not far from reality
 
It would reduce the home advantage which is really affecting the quality of the Ashes. Seems to be a cycle of England winning in England and then Australia winning in Australia. However, the fans are what makes cricket in England and Australia so it's not a likely proposal and I don't think it should happen either. What I would do instead is to decide the Ashes on an aggregate. For example as we know, Ashes is played in England/Australia then the reverse.

So for example, Ashes in 2019 in England or whenever could be won 3-2 by England then Ashes in 2020 or whenever in Australia could be 4-1 to Australia. Therefore Australia would win on aggregate and this overcomes the problem of home advantage a lot as both teams play equal amount of games at home.
 
A test series outside of England and Australia is not the Ashes anymore.

Australia won 2 tests in England last time and England won an Ashes in Australia in this decade.
 
The Ashes are a huge draw and matter for the supporters who turn up, it's kind of selfish to want to have at a neutral venue because you think you'd get a more interesting or competitive or testing series.
 
Varun said:
More than the logistics and cultural feasibility of it, who do you think will win if they were held in:

1) India
2) South Africa
3) New Zealand
4) West Indies
5) Heck, Bangladesh?
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1. Australia cause they have the better spinners
2. Toss up, both sides generally do well in South Africa. I'd go for England as I think the ball is more likely to swing than not.
3. England
4. & 5. Australia for the same reason outlined in 1. Furthermore, and I wouldn't have said this 18 months ago, Australia definitely possesses more capable batsmen who can play on turning tracks.
 
Playing devil’s advocate here, but if this ever happened then I bet a lot of England fans would get their plane tickets and be out there to watch it (not sure about Australians)
 
Gilly said:
Here is the reason why it wont happen and shouldn't happen, it would not have the atmosphere of a ashes series, it would not mean anything to anyone. Ashes are a festival of cricket between Aus and Eng, the crowds are enormous and make the ashes what they are, playing in India or any other country would be a dull uninteresting match that no one really cares about.
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Only the Enlgish and Australians see it as a huge festival of cricket etc.

The rest of the cricketing world see it as one sided boring affair with Aus winning at home 9/10 times.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Only the Enlgish and Australians see it as a huge festival of cricket etc.

The rest of the cricketing world see it as one sided boring affair with Aus winning at home 9/10 times.
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Yeah thats why I wrote its a festival of cricket between Aus and Eng.

There is no requirement for anyone to watch the ashes, if you find it boring then I suggest you dont watch it.
 
The series should only be played in Australia and England. The is not a world tournament, even with all its history, Ashes is still a bilateral. I understand that it has been changing hands based on where they play but again that is more due to the quality of both the teams. Playing it elsewhere will not be Ashes.
 
If we have a world test championship then we can probably witness the battle between two countries in neutral venues (as it happens in ODIs & T20Is) Otherwise it will be a loss venture (as Ashes played in bilaterals is the only highest revenue generating event in Test Arena, and they won't kill it!)
 
James said:
Playing devil’s advocate here, but if this ever happened then I bet a lot of England fans would get their plane tickets and be out there to watch it (not sure about Australians)
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Yes. Plus there will be no loss of revenue as TV audience accounts for majority of the revenues.

Plus if this Ashes is played as an additional series, it would fill the coffers of Eng/Aus board.

I feel people here aren't being open minded.

There is literally no downside to this idea. CA and ECB will only get richer. Fans will benefit too.
 
Gilly said:
Yeah thats why I wrote its a festival of cricket between Aus and Eng.

There is no requirement for anyone to watch the ashes, if you find it boring then I suggest you dont watch it.
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This. Those who don't like the ashes can always go watch something else or fly a kite. Probably because their own teams don't produce good quality test cricket so they are jealous of the rivalry, the history and the atmosphere of an Aus-Eng Test at Lords or WACA.
 
Wouldn't ever happen but if you went down that route a world tour would be pretty interesting. 1 game in England, Australia, South Africa, India and WI/NZ.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Only the Enlgish and Australians see it as a huge festival of cricket etc.

The rest of the cricketing world see it as one sided boring affair with Aus winning at home 9/10 times.
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To be honest who cares about the rest of the cricketing world. Its not a world cup. Its not a world event. It is Australia v England.
 
Ashes is about the culture, not the level of competition. English or Aussie fans don't give two hoots about the level of competition, they turn up to watch the game of cricket. The good thing about the average Western cricket fan, unlike most of us Asians is that they don't look at the game as minutely as we do, and in that, I personally think they enjoy it more.

There's a reason that in spite of not being as thorough about stats, Australian and English stadiums have bigger audiences for County and Shield games than we do for internationals despite having 100 times the population.
 
Not at all.. Nobody has time to watch 5 day test match held between two countries neither of them playing at their home.
 
Sure why not. Held it in the UAE and u will see 10 spectators (mostly security) in the ground
 
Nope. Bad idea. And especially not in India with those pitches and inability to see anything because of the pollution.
 
Ab Fan said:
Not at all. Yes, Aussies dont lose badly in England still they always lose. Even with an ATG side, they lost once.
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How many did the ATG side win, you do lose the odd series. The point still stands, Australia are far more competitive than England are in Australia.
 
Gilly said:
Here is the reason why it wont happen and shouldn't happen, it would not have the atmosphere of a ashes series, it would not mean anything to anyone. Ashes are a festival of cricket between Aus and Eng, the crowds are enormous and make the ashes what they are, playing in India or any other country would be a dull uninteresting match that no one really cares about.
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I think enough Indians would care about the novelty to fill stadiums.
 
Australia will win the Ashes in England in two years time.
 
Convict said:
Australia will win the Ashes in England in two years time.
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I understand several Aussies are getting County jobs. Like AB in the late eighties at Essex they will learn about the pitches and grounds and how to bat in England.

Good old Counties helping other teams to beat us again.
 
Robert said:
I understand several Aussies are getting County jobs. Like AB in the late eighties at Essex they will learn about the pitches and grounds and how to bat in England.

Good old Counties helping other teams to beat us again.
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But aren't those counties being blamed right now for the state English cricket is in. How can it help an overseas teams who's few players will play couple of season?

Don't lose hope yet. Australia are poor away just as England are or India for that matter or any team at the moment :))
 
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