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Should Pakistan be scared of India's spin attack?

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I mean you got 3 indian spinners who can get wickets anywhere they play won't give you anything to play with pakistan should really worry how they can get past these 3 spinners they faced Afghanistan with 4 spinners but here is a similar challenge even tougher than Afghanistan spinners.
 
I mean you got 3 indian spinners who can get wickets anywhere they play won't give you anything to play with pakistan should really worry how they can get past these 3 spinners they faced Afghanistan with 4 spinners but here is a similar challenge even tougher than Afghanistan spinners.
Varun is the most difficult threat to Pakistan

He’s a tough bowler to line up.

You can bide your time and play Kuldeep and Axar a bit more easier. Rashid Khan+Noor are harder bowlers to hit than Axar and Kuldeep
 
Varun is the most difficult threat to Pakistan

He’s a tough bowler to line up.

You can bide your time and play Kuldeep and Axar a bit more easier. Rashid Khan+Noor are harder bowlers to hit than Axar and Kuldeep
So right rana sahab i think varun will be hard to face pakistan has to choose the right bowler to hit they can milk varun and look to attack bowlers who can be in Pakistan favour but it's gonna be hard to play these 3 guys in uae conditions.
 
Pakistan will fight decently, it's not that bad of a team.for a T20. Coach Hesson will have some plan to counter spinners. If they play at their best, Pakistan can win too.
 
I just wonder why Kuldeep has played so few tests (13). I would have played him in every test in England and the series result might have been different .

Also never understood why Zampa does not play tests (? Personal choice). Is Nathan Lyon really better than him?
 
I just wonder why Kuldeep has played so few tests (13). I would have played him in every test in England and the series result might have been different .

Also never understood why Zampa does not play tests (? Personal choice). Is Nathan Lyon really better than him?
Very rare for a Chinaman to become a test regular.Finger Spinners do better than wrist in tests
 
I mean you got 3 indian spinners who can get wickets anywhere they play won't give you anything to play with pakistan should really worry how they can get past these 3 spinners they faced Afghanistan with 4 spinners but here is a similar challenge even tougher than Afghanistan spinners.
The Afghan spinners are as good as any in the world and at Sharjah are monsters. Pak will struggle because we are generally rubbish vs spin but it’s not an unknown.

Pakistan shouldn’t be in awe of them
 
Very rare for a Chinaman to become a test regular.Finger Spinners do better than wrist in tests
Agreed that’s a general rule but many wrist spinners have also been very effective in tests. Warne, Murali and Abdul Qadir etc.
 
Obviously India has world class spin attack but there is no need to be fearful just go with a plan and try to execute as best you can what you don't want is blindly slogging.
 
Agreed that’s a general rule but many wrist spinners have also been very effective in tests. Warne, Murali and Abdul Qadir etc.
yes but very rare case also none were chinaman,also Qadir was actually way more impactful in ODIs than tests.. Warne and Qadir were elegant to watch as well,
 
We have some confidence having played Afghan’s full strength bowling attack and coming out on top.

We have to go in with the mindset of attacking the spinners, but that doesn’t mean full tullaybaazi.
 
yes but very rare case also none were chinaman,also Qadir was actually way more impactful in ODIs than tests.. Warne and Qadir were elegant to watch as well,
Kuldeep has a good test record though

56 wickets in 13 tests @ 22 and SR 37 means he could/should have played more tests
 
Cliche - all bets are off in Pak Vs Ind contests.

More than not, momentum of the game shifts very quickly in T20 - especially when these 2 teams are playing. The playing conditions in UAE are not ideal for cricket which makes it more complicated. India on paper has better spinners and overall a much better side. The question is, if Indian bats lose few quick wickets, would they be able to keep the composure? Pak will need to bat first in my opinion to have better odds of winning.
 
Pakistan definitely has to improve though, as they were not picking Noor or Ghazanfar from the hand. Noor is quicker than Kuldeep, which makes things more challenging here on a big ground.
 
Pandya will come out of syllabus lol When you play India don't break your head over one match up. You could lose in the least fancied match ups. That is the nature of the format. You can literally get out to any bowler in T20 like Abhishek got out to UAE bowler. Even poor bowler bowling poor ball can lead to wicket at times just because batsman makes a mistake. Some pak fans extrapolate some random T20 dismissals and come out theories. This guy got out to one bowler in under-19 match. Hence he will get out to that bowler for the rest of his life. I hope they don't go there thinking SKY will fail against us. How well you react to the situation will decide the course. You can't go in with pre-set plan of slogging spinners, seeing off spinners.
 

Should India be scared of Pakistan's spin attack?​

This would be my question.
Nawaz is in topform, Abrar bowled well and Sufiyan also back them up. And you have Saim with his offies.

I don't think it will be just one way traffic.
 
Agreed that’s a general rule but many wrist spinners have also been very effective in tests. Warne, Murali and Abdul Qadir etc.
Name one wrist spinner in top test playing nation who is a regular for his side in all conditions currently. None.
 

Should India be scared of Pakistan's spin attack?​

This would be my question.
Nawaz is in topform, Abrar bowled well and Sufiyan also back them up. And you have Saim with his offies.

I don't think it will be just one way traffic.
India has 2-3 spin hitters in middle overs to go after these spinners. Will surely take risks to take them on....
 
They cannot show fear nor can they be reckless.

This tournament should mark experience & practice ahead of the T20WC next year for this Pakistan side.

Regardless what happens in the game, Mike Hesson will experience something he hasn’t experienced before.
 
They cannot show fear nor can they be reckless.

This tournament should mark experience & practice ahead of the T20WC next year for this Pakistan side.

Regardless what happens in the game, Mike Hesson will experience something he hasn’t experienced before.
Ya but in the name of intent i am afraid pakistan will play like tullas just swining their bat blindly they have to give them respect and apply themselves.
 
Ya but in the name of intent i am afraid pakistan will play like tullas just swining their bat blindly they have to give them respect and apply themselves.
That is where you need good defense. All the Indians defend well when needed. If your defense is worse than your hacking then that is where things can go pearshaped. Team can completely disintegrate into pieces.
 
That is where you need good defense. All the Indians defend well when needed. If your defense is worse than your hacking then that is where things can go pearshaped. Team can completely disintegrate into pieces.
Ya even someone like travis head can be vulnerable against these spinners in uae conditions but maybe they can take the route of travis head go for your shots he is monster when he play like that vs india what do you think bro?
 
None of the hitter can 'hit' if the ball is gripping or spinning.
They will access different parts like behind the wicket. Axar was the highest run getter in the Australia test series from both sides on turning wickets. He saved us with his batting.
 
They will access different parts like behind the wicket. Axar was the highest run getter in the Australia test series from both sides on turning wickets. He saved us with his batting.
But still it won't be easy against spinners if ball spun but not sure dubai assist spinner more than sharjah
 
But still it won't be easy against spinners if ball spun but not sure dubai assist spinner more than sharjah
Players that don't have backfoot game will not panick. Only if it is slow and turgid then timing will become harder. That's okay. India's bowling will be three times harder to face against on such pitches.
 

Should India be scared of Pakistan's spin attack?​

This would be my question.
Nawaz is in topform, Abrar bowled well and Sufiyan also back them up. And you have Saim with his offies.

I don't think it will be just one way traffic.
A composed Pakistan should not, since they recently played against arguably a better T20 spin bowling under these conditions.
 
Pak are battle hardened and seasoned after playing Afg spinners, as long as they don't lose their heads, it shouldn't be a tough exam to crack...
 
A composed Pakistan should not, since they recently played against arguably a better T20 spin bowling under these conditions.

India only have one great spinner and he is Kuldeep.

Other spinners are more like containing bowlers.

So, Pakistan shouldn't feel pressure.

Afghanistan have much better spinners and Pakistan beat them.
 
Most UAE batsmen got out to simple deliveries. Pakistanis aren't that inept.

From what I have seen of Varun today, he seems to be an inferior version of Mujeeb and Ghazanfar. Even RizBabar spanked around Varun in 21WC ! Maybe he has improved by I will back Farhan to smack him out of attack during PP.

Axar Patel is Nawaz level bowler. If you can hit a few boundaries early against him, he will go into defense mode and will be easier to deal with.

Kuldeep is the real threat. He bowls slow which is ideal for Dubai with near 80m boundaries. Hopefully, Fakhar can line him up for a few sixes. Fakhar has dominated leg spinners like Shamsi and Sodhi before. He has hit sixes against Kuldeep as well but gave away his wicket at times. Should be a good contest between these two.

If we can counter Kuldeep, rest won't be much of an issue.
 
Most UAE batsmen got out to simple deliveries. Pakistanis aren't that inept.

From what I have seen of Varun today, he seems to be an inferior version of Mujeeb and Ghazanfar. Even RizBabar spanked around Varun in 21WC ! Maybe he has improved by I will back Farhan to smack him out of attack during PP.

Axar Patel is Nawaz level bowler. If you can hit a few boundaries early against him, he will go into defense mode and will be easier to deal with.

Kuldeep is the real threat. He bowls slow which is ideal for Dubai with near 80m boundaries. Hopefully, Fakhar can line him up for a few sixes. Fakhar has dominated leg spinners like Shamsi and Sodhi before. He has hit sixes against Kuldeep as well but gave away his wicket at times. Should be a good contest between these two.

If we can counter Kuldeep, rest won't be much of an issue.
Fakhar has faced KUldeep only in ODIs. 3 times

3 matches 3 dismissals. 9.7 average against Kuldeep.
 
It is funny to see the comments that write off Indian bowlers with track record while hyping their batsmen none of whom will walk into any of the top 5 T20 international teams. In some cases they won't even walk into second XI. I doubt the actual teams don't take bowlers lightly like these fans "pretend" to take. Especially fans from perennially lower ranked teams.
 
What do you think in dubai bigger ground they are more dangerous than afghan?
The aim should be to milk their best bowlers, Kuldeep and Bumrah. Put up a total and not surrender like WC23. The concern is this batting lineup is not really equipped to handle top quality spinners aside from Agha. They’re all dashers.
 
It is funny to see the comments that write off Indian bowlers with track record while hyping their batsmen none of whom will walk into any of the top 5 T20 international teams. In some cases they won't even walk into second XI. I doubt the actual teams don't take bowlers lightly like these fans "pretend" to take. Especially fans from perennially lower ranked teams.
I don't beleive in ranking in cricket cricket is hardly played between ten countries its not football where whole is playing any one can beat anyone its all depend on conditions same sena teams will struggle vs pakistan spinners in spinning conditions and if pak can play indian spinners well its game on.
 
I don't beleive in ranking in cricket cricket is hardly played between ten countries its not football where whole is playing any one can beat anyone its all depend on conditions same sena teams will struggle vs pakistan spinners in spinning conditions and if pak can play indian spinners well its game on.
SENA team was the on ewho reached CT fianl in subcontinent conditions. SENA team is the one that reached world cup final in SC conditions. OUt of the 4 teams that reached world cup semis in 2023, 3 were SENA teams. Out of the 4 teams that reached world cup 2024 T20 on those sluggish WI tracks 2 were SENA teams. Out of the 4 teams that reached CT semi final 3 were SENA teams. When it comes to ICC events they will come up with full strength team and put aside these "lower ranked" sides with ease. You can be happy with your bilateral wins where they don't play full strength side. At the end of the day that is the only event that matters.
 
Has has a grand total of 1 six in 33 balls against kuldeep. I am sure some tailender woudl have had one too.
Different formats. I know Indians have this impulse of defending the honour of their players but I am simply stating that it should be a good contest.
 
Different formats. I know Indians have this impulse of defending the honour of their players but I am simply stating that it should be a good contest.
It is not defending honor. Just pointing out why your expectation have very little basis. I understand you want to project a "positive" vibe by putting down every opponent bowler with some weird match up projection. But just remember Pakistan was in deep trouble against UAE bowling and not long ago Bangladesh fast bowling. You don't even have to be a good bowler to trigger a collapse against pakistan.
 
They might struggle against Varun for the first game, but will eventually do better against him in the 2nd game

Not too concerned about Kuldeep and Axar

Afg have better spinners and Pak batsmen managed to score 140 runs against them on a 120 pitch
 
SENA team was the on ewho reached CT fianl in subcontinent conditions. SENA team is the one that reached world cup final in SC conditions. OUt of the 4 teams that reached world cup semis in 2023, 3 were SENA teams. Out of the 4 teams that reached world cup 2024 T20 on those sluggish WI tracks 2 were SENA teams. Out of the 4 teams that reached CT semi final 3 were SENA teams. When it comes to ICC events they will come up with full strength team and put aside these "lower ranked" sides with ease. You can be happy with your bilateral wins where they don't play full strength side. At the end of the day that is the only event that matters.
You are not getting my point can any sena team beat pakistan in spinning conditions vs sajid and noman good luck india got whitewashed against average new zealand team in their own and let me remind you pak won england series with their spinners so anything can happen no need to make everying look great about india same india during inzamam era or wasim akram era were absolutely minnows every team has their time and era just need to be respectful no need to go over the top.
 
It is not defending honor. Just pointing out why your expectation have very little basis. I understand you want to project a "positive" vibe by putting down every opponent bowler with some weird match up projection. But just remember Pakistan was in deep trouble against UAE bowling and not long ago Bangladesh fast bowling. You don't even have to be a good bowler to trigger a collapse against pakistan.
Sharjah matches are irrelevant as India doesn't play there.

Kuldeep will take all 10 wickets against Pakistan. Ab khush hai ?
 
Sharjah matches are irrelevant as India doesn't play there.

Kuldeep will take all 10 wickets against Pakistan. Ab khush hai ?
This guy will do everything to make india look invisible but reality is something he won't accept same indian team during inzi or akram era were treated like minnows but now if they are good they are getting too egoistic every team has their era.
 
They might struggle against Varun for the first game, but will eventually do better against him in the 2nd game

Not too concerned about Kuldeep and Axar

Afg have better spinners and Pak batsmen managed to score 140 runs against them on a 120 pitch
Game against Ind has different pressure and it’s the pressure that gets to Pak players.
 
This guy will do everything to make india look invisible but reality is something he won't accept same indian team during inzi or akram era were treated like minnows but now if they are good they are getting too egoistic every team has their era.
Lol during Inzy era India won most of the bilateral series.

And even in the Akram era, India won all of the big WC matches.
 
You are not getting my point can any sena team beat pakistan in spinning conditions vs sajid and noman good luck india got whitewashed against average new zealand team in their own and let me remind you pak won england series with their spinners so anything can happen no need to make everying look great about india same india during inzamam era or wasim akram era were absolutely minnows every team has their time and era just need to be respectful no need to go over the top.
I am talking about SENA teams. Where is India coming here. You are giving an arbitrary projection that Pakistan will dominate SENA in spinning conditions when you have zero evidence of that. So far you have played only West Indies, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, UAE with this team.

In 2025 Pakistan vs SENA 5 matches

Pakistan Spinners performances in those matches 34.11 average 10.17 ER.

2025 Different teams against SENA countries. Pakistan beneath ZImbabwe above Srilanka. Sometimes Pakistan fans don't set very high expectations from their players.

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Something to do with match-fixings many years ago.

If that is the case, India should avoid their own stadiums. LOL. India is literally the hub for betting/fixing.
I thought it was because of their poor record there or alternatively because of Sharjah’s demographics.
 
I thought it was because of their poor record there or alternatively because of Sharjah’s demographics.

No. Sharjah actually didn't host games for a few years. There were some match-fixing issues. Anyway, those issues have been resolved and it hosts games again.

Here is from Google:

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You are not getting my point can any sena team beat pakistan in spinning conditions vs sajid and noman good luck india got whitewashed against average new zealand team in their own and let me remind you pak won england series with their spinners so anything can happen no need to make everying look great about india same india during inzamam era or wasim akram era were absolutely minnows every team has their time and era just need to be respectful no need to go over the top.
Lol noman-sajid have played only 2 series. sit down.

Poor west indies drew a series against Pak. They have not won a match in India since the mid 90s lol.

Pakistan were never as good as India are now and their time will never come.

Also during Inzy era, India was better. India won 2 ODI series and 1 test series compared to 1 and 1 for Pakistan.

Pakistan under Akram-Waqar never won an ICC title and actually lost all it's matches vs India in WCs.
 
Lol during Inzy era India won most of the bilateral series.

And even in the Akram era, India won all of the big WC matches.
I remember salman butt and shoaib malik treating indian spinners like minnows that's the memories we had not sure what you watched even until now heat to head pakistan has been ahead of india.
 
I don’t know if this has been discussed elsewhere but why does Ind avoid Sharjah?
Their excuse for Sharjah is fixing but India generally avoids playing at difficult tracks against weaker teams. They are avoiding playing LOIs in Bangladesh as well.
 
I remember salman butt and shoaib malik treating indian spinners like minnows that's the memories we had not sure what you watched even until now heat to head pakistan has been ahead of india.
Then that is selective memories cause in that era India won more series.

H2H is due to older teams from 80s and 90s.

Since 2010 it is 21-7.
 
No. Sharjah actually didn't host games for a few years. There were some match-fixing issues. Anyway, those issues have been resolved and it hosts games again.

Here is from Google:

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Thanks that’s right Sharjah was out of the cricket calendar for some time and I recall the context now.

At the same time it is convenient for Ind to avoid the stadium and the bad memories.
 
I remember salman butt and shoaib malik treating indian spinners like minnows that's the memories we had not sure what you watched even until now heat to head pakistan has been ahead of india.

Pakistan dominated India from 1950's till 2009. It is after 2010, things started to tilt toward india.

I expect India to return to mid-tier once Bumrah, Kuldeep, and Siraj retire (Rohit and Kohli are already gone).
 
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