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Most of problems Pakistan facing, are linked directly or indirectly to over-population.

I believe Pakistan ought to start enforcing one child policy.

(We can learn from our neighbors to start such programs)


http://www.dawn.com/news/1247261/my-target-is-100-children-says-father-of-35

QUETTA: Jan Muhammad, 43, is now father to 35 children after the recent births of two more children. Jan Muhammad has three wives who have given him 21 daughters and 14 sons.

"My target is 100 children," he tells Dawn.com.

We need to save people from themselves.
 
2 child would be better. Would never realistically happen though.
 
It should happen in all of Subcontinent.

Too many people and everyone struggling to get ahead of the crowd by hook or crook leading to corruption, low quality of life and violence.
 
Most of problems Pakistan facing, are linked directly or indirectly to over-population.

I believe Pakistan ought to start enforcing one child policy.

(We can learn from our neighbors to start such programs)


http://www.dawn.com/news/1247261/my-target-is-100-children-says-father-of-35



We need to save people from themselves.

This is unquestionably a huge issue which I raised a few years ago (http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...lation-bomb-article&highlight=Population+bomb). With resources such as housing, hospital beds, school places and jobs already limited and under stress, adding tens of millions more to the population can only cause disaster.

However one child policy isn't the right way to go due to the practical problems it presents such as the 4-2-1 Problem - one child having to care for their two parents and four grandparents. Also implementation will be a bureaucratic nightmare.

What's necessary is education especially about family planning and dispelling the notion that "Allah will provide for us so I'll churn out endless kids" and also tackle the false narrative from religious leaders who believe any contraception or family planning is a conspiracy to reduce the size of the Ummah. Universal access to reproductive health services is will also help to reduce birth rates.
 
I do not think education will make a real impact (as in Pakistan, education is just to secure job/degree, but it is never meant to apply in one's life)

We need some sort of stick...

Enforced vasectomy could be a viable solution for men with 3/4 children, this could be a deterrent for others.

Jan Muhammad seems an ideal candidate..
 
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The problem with such thinking is you limit people to Economic goods in this case, or a 'burden' as others have put it, but How can a Child be a 'burden' the fallacy of such thinking is ridiculous.
 
The problem with such thinking is you limit people to Economic goods in this case, or a 'burden' as others have put it, but How can a Child be a 'burden' the fallacy of such thinking is ridiculous.

Economic angle is just a tiny part of this issue.
Think about Social and psychological impacts.

Lastly Re"The hypocrite seeks for faults, the believer seeks for excuses"-Imam al Ghazali (ra)"

Critics, investigators and troubleshooters seeks for faults...seems like Ghazali is both believer and hypocrites in his quote...(seeking faults in hypocrite and this fault seems more like an excuse)
 
Economic angle is just a tiny part of this issue.
Think about Social and psychological impacts.

Lastly Re"The hypocrite seeks for faults, the believer seeks for excuses"-Imam al Ghazali (ra)"

Critics, investigators and troubleshooters seeks for faults...seems like Ghazali is both believer and hypocrites in his quote...(seeking faults in hypocrite and this fault seems more like an excuse)

The social impact of one child policy and psychological impact are well observed in east Asian countries.
 
To implement this, you need a culture where both males and females are equally preferred.

Otherwise parents prefer male children, this leads to many problems as seen in China.
 
Why does the government have to regulate this? No thanks, communist China shouldn't be our role model. People should understand this on their own.
 
never going to work in a country like Pakistan. and as others have touched upon the preference for males in Asian cultures would lead to an increase in female infanticide or foeticide and a gender ratio imbalance where there are a lot more men than women.

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One child policy is a short sighted policy which ultimately leads to disaster in society, especially male dominated society of the sub-continent. How skewed the sex ratio got in China, India did that without the one child policy, you want the same to happen in Pakistan too??

Think long term guys, certain problems don't have a quick fix solution.
 
This would lead to a disastrous male-to-female sex ration like China and destroy the family dynamic and sibling expereince for pakistani kids.

I suggest a two child cap, & three for those who can afford. Anybody who is wealthy and has good genes should have no limit.

The policy should have mulitple categories.
 
This would lead to a disastrous male-to-female sex ration like China and destroy the family dynamic and sibling expereince for pakistani kids.

I suggest a two child cap, & three for those who can afford. Anybody who is wealthy and has good genes should have no limit.

The policy should have mulitple categories.

even better, as we would be able to reduce/control population earlier than expected.

This is not only about wealth (economics) so same rule for everyone.
 
even better, as we would be able to reduce/control population earlier than expected.

This is not only about wealth (economics) so same rule for everyone.

Do you understand the implications of a skewed sex ratio??
 
Do you understand the implications of a skewed sex ratio??

More movies/dramas/novels/poetry about love tri-angles.

Of course, Pakistan must not allow gender selection and as far as I know, the ratio remains about same.
 
One child policy is must for overpopulated countries like India, Pakistan.
 
More movies/dramas/novels/poetry about love tri-angles.

Of course, Pakistan must not allow gender selection and as far as I know, the ratio remains about same.

How do you do that oh great policy maker, and that do in a highly male dominated society like Pakistan?

and God said,"Let there be light" and boom it happened! :)
 
Without a family planning policy, sex ratio in Pakistan is already skewed, one child policy will simply hurl Pakistan in the direction worse than China within a decade or even less.
 
How do you do that oh great policy maker, and that do in a highly male dominated society like Pakistan?

and God said,"Let there be light" and boom it happened! :)

It's a mind set...which can easily be manipulated.
 
even better, as we would be able to reduce/control population earlier than expected.

This is not only about wealth (economics) so same rule for everyone.

even better cause you get to live comfortably in Canada while frustrated Pakistani men will suffer like they do in China already.

Your ideas are laughable.
 
Will islam religion allow this kind of policy to be implemented. If scholars and maulvis etc can agree on this and do not create problems then maybe it can be implemented. I feel it is the need of the hour in india atleast. Pakistan population is still better. I really feel that over population is not a blessing but a curse for india. Smaller population better development and overall better standard of living. But on the other hand male dominated society like india this will lead to lesser females and bring about a whole new set of problems
 
Nice Dream! Come back to reality.

Unless you dream it never becomes a reality :P.

Its biology anyway, males of almost all species are tuned to desire many partners while females are always selective in their choice of mate.
 
Will islam religion allow this kind of policy to be implemented. If scholars and maulvis etc can agree on this and do not create problems then maybe it can be implemented. I feel it is the need of the hour in india atleast. Pakistan population is still better. I really feel that over population is not a blessing but a curse for india. Smaller population better development and overall better standard of living. But on the other hand male dominated society like india this will lead to lesser females and bring about a whole new set of problems

Just look at Iran for proof of this being implemented.
 
Just look at Iran for proof of this being implemented.

lol yes and now look at them nervously reversing those policies.

They foresee demographic problems happening in the future if Iranian birth rates are so low.

Family planning was the war cry against over population but forcing it or swift implementation leads to long term ill effects worse than over population.
 
Pakistan TFR has dropped from around 5-6 to less than 3 in 20 years, without any significant government intervention.
 
Pakistan TFR has dropped from around 5-6 to less than 3 in 20 years, without any significant government intervention.

Exactly, as woman in society start moving out of the houses for work instead of being just a tool to reproduce. The population automatically gets checked.

In medieval times, it was diseases and shortage of resources which controlled population, but with advanced medical science it will be woman getting their rightful status in society.
I think its a well established trend that as women employment rises, fertility drops.
 
China had more population growth at time.
Its not population alone, but lack of character as a nation. Of a failed meaningless state.
 
Exactly, as woman in society start moving out of the houses for work instead of being just a tool to reproduce. The population automatically gets checked.

In medieval times, it was diseases and shortage of resources which controlled population, but with advanced medical science it will be woman getting their rightful status in society.
I think its a well established trend that as women employment rises, fertility drops.


Its not the employment, but the awareness of world that comes with it. It got its own flaws though.
 
Awareness and education are better drive to stop people from breeding like tapeworms.

One child policy is not as simple as it sounds and has many detrimental effects on individual level.

Have a read :
Desperate to raise the immense sum needed to purchase official identity for her nine-year-old son, Little Jie, Lu Cuiping (shown above with her son) tried to sell a kidney, but was told she was too old. ‘I have thought about robbing a bank,’ she says. ‘But I don’t have those kinds of skills.’ (Adam Dean for The Globe and Mail)
THE GHOST CHILDREN
OF CHINA
In 1980, China introduced the one-child policy. In the process, it created a lost generation – second and third children who went unregistered, couldn’t go to school, and who continue to live in the shadows. Nathan VanderKlippe explores the human and economic costs of one of the biggest social experiments in history
Little Jie, in a yellow cap and grey hoodie, darts out the doors of his school and across the road to where his mother is waiting to pick him up for lunch. He jumps up and down in excitement. “My favourite food is French fries,” the nine-year-old says. His favourite period at school is xiake, when class is dismissed. “Because after xiake, you can have fun outside.”

While his mother, Lu Cuiping, steams vegetables inside their small apartment on the outskirts of Beijing, he brings out a Lego navy frigate, which in his hands becomes a Chinese vessel mounting assaults on the enemy. “I want to be a military expert,” he says, “researching naval weapons.”

“He’s very patriotic,” Ms. Lu says. Usually, “the enemy is Japan. … But sometimes he will aim at the family-planning committee.”

For most Chinese, a child who dreams of attacking the state would be horrifying. But Little Jie is not Chinese – at least not according to the country in which he was born and lives. To China, he is no one. A ghost.

Forty-five years ago, China inaugurated an era of population control, amid fears that too many people would bring catastrophe. In 1980, it officially announced a national one-child policy, forcibly limiting the size of families. But there have been, inevitably, second (and, rarely, third and fourth) children: children who go unrecognized by the government, have no official identity – who are left to live outside the institutions of regulated society. Little Jie is one of them.

Chinese data show the dramatic spike in abortions, sterilizations and intrauterine-device insertions following the introduction of the one-child policy in 1980. SOURCE: CHALLENGING MYTHS ABOUT CHINA¹S ONE-CHILD POLICY - THE CHINA JOURNAL, NO. 74 (Trish McAlaster / The Globe and Mail)
Since 1971, China has seen a total of 336 million abortions, completed 196 million sterilizations, and inserted 403 million intrauterine devices.

More difficult to count are the ghosts: the ones who were born, but have no official status. China’s 2010 census estimated that there were 13 million people without official documentation – a population almost the size of Ontario’s.

China’s one-child policy has been called the “most spectacular demographic experiment in history,” and “one of the most draconian examples of government social engineering ever seen.” It has also been, according to the best available evidence, a failure even on its own terms.

It did little to alter birth rates – much of the decline had come earlier, under a 1970s-era two-child policy. Meanwhile, the most significant purported economic benefit of the one-child rule – that women who bear fewer children would be better able to join the work force and boost national productivity – is being offset by the mess China faces today, due to its vast forgone population.

While population restrictions fundamentally reshaped China, the one-child policy itself, which coincided with a time of growing wealth that brought natural declines in birth rates, didn’t do China much good. Instead, by artificially cutting families to just one child, it brought decades of pain — and the millions of ghosts it has created are still without official home or respite.

LIFE AS A GHOST

The foundation of Chinese civic life is the hukou, a maroon-and-gold household-registration document. It is a form of identity used to control people’s movements inside the country, set up by the Communist regime, and similar to systems used in Soviet Russia and imperial China. With it, a person can secure a national-identification card, attend school, access basic medical services, find a place to live, board a bus or train, open a bank account, get a job, and secure a passport. Without it, each of those things becomes difficult and, for those with too little money or too few connections, often impossible.

A hukou, or household-registration document, a form of identity used to control people’s movements inside China. (Adam Dean for The Globe and Mail)
There is, for those with fat enough wallets, a way around it. Although families are limited to one child, Chinese authorities allow them to simply pay a fine – that, if unpaid, grows over time – for any extra offspring; the wealthy, in other words, can buy for themselves as many children as they please. Pay the fine, and your child gets a hukou, becoming indistinguishable from any other child. Those with more modest salaries, meanwhile, struggle with sums so punitive that they are effectively impossible to pay.

The last time Ms. Lu checked, in 2012, her fine was at 333,466 yuan (about $67,500). Before Ms. Lu lost her job recently, she earned 2,000 yuan a month (about $400). It would take 166 months – nearly 14 years – of her entire salary to pay off the fine.

She lost that job, in part because she turned down her boss’s request to move to a new location, a neighbourhood where she knew she would not find a school with a sympathetic administrator – the only way Little Jie (the name his mother calls him) is able to attend elementary school right now. Even if they stay put, his education won’t last: Little Jie won’t be allowed to write the standardized exam that provides entry to middle school.

Ms. Lu, who is 42, has grown consumed by a desperation that she has cursed her child merely by giving birth to him. She tried to sell a kidney to raise money to pay the government fine, but was told she was too old. “I have thought about robbing a bank,” she says. “But I don’t have those kinds of skills.”

For the most part, she hides her feelings from Little Jie, but he already feels his situation keenly. When he found out about bird flu, he stopped eating chicken, afraid it would make him sick and that a hospital wouldn’t help him without proper documentation. For his last birthday, he begged his mother not to get presents or a cake. At the grocery store, he tells her not to buy anything unless it’s on sale. He wants her to save money in hopes of paying the fine.

Over a lunch of shredded potato with chili peppers, bok choi and dry tofu, Little Jie suggests another solution. “Maybe you can marry a big official, so he can kill Mr. Ji,” he says, with childlike naïveté. In Chinese, “ji” is the first syllable in “family-planning office.”

None of this was supposed to happen.

In 1993, Ms. Lu had her first child, a daughter. Six years later, she divorced; her husband got custody of their child. Then, she fell in love again, and although they didn’t marry, she became pregnant. She was thrilled – a new child might help assuage the pain from the girl she had lost. Fears of violating the one-child policy did not enter her mind; she has Mongolian ancestry, and minorities are largely exempt from birth restrictions. Besides, her first child had already been taken away.

But after Little Jie was born, she was asked to show marriage credentials. She didn’t have any. A court eventually deemed her legally married to Little Jie’s father, who himself had lost custody of another child from a previous marriage. “So the family-planning office judged that [Little Jie] is my third kid,” Ms. Lu says.

She is so crushed by the thought that she has ruined her son’s life, she is willing to give him up if it can give him a better one. “Find me some family to adopt him, so he can go to school,” she says. “Otherwise, I’m going to destroy him.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-policy-a-generation-is-lost/article23454402/
 
Exactly, as woman in society start moving out of the houses for work instead of being just a tool to reproduce. The population automatically gets checked.

In medieval times, it was diseases and shortage of resources which controlled population, but with advanced medical science it will be woman getting their rightful status in society.
I think its a well established trend that as women employment rises, fertility drops.

True.
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As japan progressed, the fertility rate dropped down drastically.
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CHINESE went the extreme way about this issue. IMO
 
Its not the employment, but the awareness of world that comes with it. It got its own flaws though.

Nopes bro, its employment.
Females biologically are limited with regards to number of kids they can bear in their lifetime.
Concept of employed women, reduces the chances of early marriage as they are supposed to be educated.
Getting higher degrees reduces the number of child bearing years on an average.
Employed females don't have the luxury to tend to a horde of kids, and hence the economic and prudent trend towards less number of kids. A working woman who likes her job would also have aversion to miss so many months of work due to pregnancy.

Its not awareness, but the extra needs that arise out of employed women in society that leads to trend to reduced fertility. Society otherwise is pretty dumb in this regard when almost all religions ask you to just breed and breed and increase the flock.
 
Nopes bro, its employment.
Females biologically are limited with regards to number of kids they can bear in their lifetime.
Concept of employed women, reduces the chances of early marriage as they are supposed to be educated.
Getting higher degrees reduces the number of child bearing years on an average.
Employed females don't have the luxury to tend to a horde of kids, and hence the economic and prudent trend towards less number of kids. A working woman who likes her job would also have aversion to miss so many months of work due to pregnancy.

Its not awareness, but the extra needs that arise out of employed women in society that leads to trend to reduced fertility. Society otherwise is pretty dumb in this regard when almost all religions ask you to just breed and breed and increase the flock.

Employment alone doesn't help. I've seen working ladies having team of children. Awareness, education whatever you call it helps. It is never religious, world teaches this.
 
Employment alone doesn't help. I've seen working ladies having team of children. Awareness, education whatever you call it helps. It is never religious, world teaches this.

Its about the general trend bro, not a few exceptions.
Working females contribute a trend towards nuclear families too which in turn leads to lower number of kids.
Awareness about over population has existed since many decades or even centuries when millions died out due to famines and lack of other resources, that hardly changed the pattern of treating women as "vending machines" (excuse the terrible sounding analogy, but its in a way apt)
 
It's an interesting discussion by mostly people living outside of Pakistan, but pretty much redundant as no one in that country is even going to give it a second thought.
 
It's an interesting discussion by mostly people living outside of Pakistan, but pretty much redundant as no one in that country is even going to give it a second thought.

One child policy is definitely giving the government far too much involvement in dictating peoples' lives.

However overpopulation isn't a new topic for Pakistanis. Even Ayub Khan was talking about it in the 60s, with his infamous quote:

"There'll come a time when Pakistanis will eat Pakistanis"
 
Enforced vasectomy could be a viable solution for men with 3/4 children, this could be a deterrent for others.
What an absolutely disgusting notion. You want to open the door again to the methods similar to those used by Sanjay Gandhi in India, when his henchmen went to villages and forced every adult male to have a vasectomy, and stopped buses, forced the men off and took them to have the same?

I suggest a two child cap, & three for those who can afford. Anybody who is wealthy and has good genes should have no limit.
As if Pakistani society doesn't already have enough special privileges for the wealthy and powerful. :facepalm:

As for using the criteria of "good genes" to decide eligibility for parenthood, Hitler and the Nazi's tried something along those lines in their quest to breed a 'super race'. Is that what you are advocating?

For those of you advocating one-child policies and who have elder siblings, or even parents who are not/were not the first born to your grandparents, you wouldn't have been born if Pakistan had adopted one child policies a few decades ago.
 
Employed females don't have the luxury to tend to a horde of kids, and hence the economic and prudent trend towards less number of kids. A working woman who likes her job would also have aversion to miss so many months of work due to pregnancy.

Its not awareness, but the extra needs that arise out of employed women in society that leads to trend to reduced fertility. Society otherwise is pretty dumb in this regard when almost all religions ask you to just breed and breed and increase the flock.
That then also goes hand-in-hand with allowing abortion since working women do also get pregnant despite precautions, even those who already have a child or two and don't wish to have, as you say, 'hordes more'.
 
What an absolutely disgusting notion. You want to open the door again to the methods similar to those used by Sanjay Gandhi in India, when his henchmen went to villages and forced every adult male to have a vasectomy, and stopped buses, forced the men off and took them to have the same?

As if Pakistani society doesn't already have enough special privileges for the wealthy and powerful. :facepalm:

As for using the criteria of "good genes" to decide eligibility for parenthood, Hitler and the Nazi's tried something along those lines in their quest to breed a 'super race'. Is that what you are advocating?

For those of you advocating one-child policies and who have elder siblings, or even parents who are not/were not the first born to your grandparents, you wouldn't have been born if Pakistan had adopted one child policies a few decades ago.

We need to breed Pakistan's problems out so selective breeding is something we should look into.
 
That then also goes hand-in-hand with allowing abortion since working women do also get pregnant despite precautions, even those who already have a child or two and don't wish to have, as you say, 'hordes more'.

Again, my stress is on the impact on general trend guys. Few cases will always appear but general trend will be lowering of birth rates. Look at birth rates in countries which have abortion is severely restricted in European countries. Ireland or Iceland comes to mind, heard a case of Indian woman dying because of this.
 
We need to breed Pakistan's problems out so selective breeding is something we should look into.
And who does the 'selecting'?
The mullah's?
The politicians?
The wealthy?
The army generals?
 
Again, my stress is on the impact on general trend guys. Few cases will always appear but general trend will be lowering of birth rates. Look at birth rates in countries which have abortion is severely restricted in European countries. Ireland or Iceland comes to mind, heard a case of Indian woman dying because of this.
My point still stands, even with 'general trends'.

Women wishing to have careers, perhaps delay having kids and/or limiting themselves to having one or two children at the most, also invariably leads to to the question as to what their options are if, despite precautions, they still end up getting pregnant. ie The option of abortion. And that in turn opens up a whole new debate, especially in a society like Pakistan.
 
And who does the 'selecting'?
The mullah's?
The politicians?
The wealthy?
The army generals?

We'll have a good system, a process to vet the candidates. We'll measure each subject objectively.It'll be a beautiful thing.
 
What an absolutely disgusting notion. You want to open the door again to the methods similar to those used by Sanjay Gandhi in India, when his henchmen went to villages and forced every adult male to have a vasectomy, and stopped buses, forced the men off and took them to have the same?

No, its not a disgusting notion.
as I indicated, it will done to dads with 3+ children.
(Sanjay was doing indiscriminately, and even bachelors were operated upon)
 
No, its not a disgusting notion.
as I indicated, it will done to dads with 3+ children.
(Sanjay was doing indiscriminately, and even bachelors were operated upon)

hmm.. So you do vasectomy to a ma with 3+ children?
What if his children die early?
What's the maths for a man with many wives, lets say 4?
How will prevent female foeticide? China couldn't do it, India couldn't do it. You expect Pakistan to be able to do it. That's not optimism but pipe dreams.
 
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No, its not a disgusting notion.
as I indicated, it will done to dads with 3+ children.
(Sanjay was doing indiscriminately, and even bachelors were operated upon)
Forcing someone to have a vasectomy because they already have children is a disgusting notion.
What would be the plan? If they disagree with having a vasectomy, then you get a few henchmen to forcibly take them to the nearest clinic and operate on them against their will? If that's not barbaric then I don't know what is.
 
hmm.. So you do vasectomy to a ma with 3+ children?
What if his children die early?
What's the maths for a man with many wives, lets say 4?
How will prevent female foeticide? China couldn't do it, India couldn't do it. You expect Pakistan to be able to do it. That's not optimism but pipe dreams.

of course we should ban 4 marriages for men...Its pre-civilization things, we need to get rid of if we want to join civilized world

Regarding children's death, Pakistan should spend lot more on children's health as it's a known that mortality rate in children is directly linked to over population.


Pakistan has so many orphans, maybe these "dads" can adopt.

anyway, vasectomy can be reversed (though not 100%)
 
No, its not a disgusting notion.
as I indicated, it will done to dads with 3+ children.
(Sanjay was doing indiscriminately, and even bachelors were operated upon)

Another kicker for you,
what if the wife of that man dies and he remarries. Will he be allowed his fertility back or the woman would be denied motherhood forever for no fault of her own?
What if a woman (not the wife) wants to have kids with that man? What now?

Forcing such policy indiscriminately infringes upon some the basic fundamental Rights of people.
In India it would fall under violation of Right to life and personal liberty, (which cannot be revoked even under emergency scenarios).
 
Another kicker for you,
what if the wife of that man dies and he remarries. Will he be allowed his fertility back or the woman would be denied motherhood forever for no fault of her own?
What if a woman (not the wife) wants to have kids with that man? What now?

Forcing such policy indiscriminately infringes upon some the basic fundamental Rights of people.
In India it would fall under violation of Right to life and personal liberty, (which cannot be revoked even under emergency scenarios).
It's an easy one :)
No he will not be allowed ..and women will be aware of this fact in advance...so it's up to her if she wants to marry the guy or not.
 
of course we should ban 4 marriages for men...Its pre-civilization things, we need to get rid of if we want to join civilized world

Regarding children's death, Pakistan should spend lot more on children's health as it's a known that mortality rate in children is directly linked to over population.


Pakistan has so many orphans, maybe these "dads" can adopt.

anyway, vasectomy can be reversed (though not 100%)

hmm... you want to implement modern concept of laws and justice while trampling upon the personal freedoms of people. Very logical sir!!


What if people dont get to marry at all, and a guy lives with many girlfriends? So do we make sure that children are not born out of wedlock?

Regarding forcing a guy who lost his own kids is cruelty of extreme kind brother. Think it through.
 
It's an easy one :)
No he will not be allowed ..and women will be aware of this fact in advance...so it's up to her if she wants to marry the guy or not.

So a woman is denied being mother of the child of man she loves, because she was most probably born late?
Dude, how old are you? I am guessing late teens.
 
[MENTION=42489]Black Zero[/MENTION]: You are well intentioned but the plan is not clearly thought through.
Its not just procedural issues( ensuring good implementation) with the policy, but several legal and ethical issues too. Leave aside the terrible implications that are observed in the long run.
 
of course we should ban 4 marriages for men...Its pre-civilization things, we need to get rid of if we want to join civilized world
In what 'civilised world' would it be ok to forcibly operate on an healthy individual against their will? You appear to have a very twisted notion of a 'civilised world'.
 
In what 'civilised world' would it be ok to forcibly operate on an healthy individual against their will? You appear to have a very twisted notion of a 'civilised world'.

May be there is gap in our understanding of the issue...
Having children has a direct bearing on society so i do not see it as a individual issue.
 
So a woman is denied being mother of the child of man she loves, because she was most probably born late?
Dude, how old are you? I am guessing late teens.

I am old enough to avoid bollywood movies

She knew in advance, so it's her decision.
(There are so many couples who cannot have children, what do they do?)
 
May be there is gap in our understanding of the issue...
Having children has a direct bearing on society so i do not see it as a individual issue.
The only gap is in your understanding of the meaning of the word 'civilised'. You claim to wish to join the 'civilised world', but one in which perfectly healthy individuals can be forcibly surgically operated upon like animals so as to make them sterile against their will.
 
The only gap is in your understanding of the meaning of the word 'civilised'. You claim to wish to join the 'civilised world', but one in which perfectly healthy individuals can be forcibly surgically operated upon like animals so as to make them sterile against their will.

actually only animals keep producing without control
This is one of the difference between humans and animals.

why there are restrictions for drug edicts?


Law will be for everyone
One child per family...State will provide support the family through different means.
for second child ...punishment ...
for 3rd child...Punishment + operation

seems perfectly just and ethical.
 
lol yes and now look at them nervously reversing those policies.

They foresee demographic problems happening in the future if Iranian birth rates are so low.

Well, they can always import Shi'as from Pakistan to help with the demographic problems. After all, it will be one step closer for the dream of a pure Sunnified Pakistan
 
I am old enough to avoid bollywood movies

She knew in advance, so it's her decision.
(There are so many couples who cannot have children, what do they do?)

There is the legal problem with the when it denies equal justice and rights to all.
Its a very poor law which is inherently discriminatory. Sorry, this is a very poor law.
 
actually only animals keep producing without control
This is one of the difference between humans and animals.

why there are restrictions for drug edicts?


Law will be for everyone
One child per family...State will provide support the family through different means.
for second child ...punishment ...
for 3rd child...Punishment + operation

seems perfectly just and ethical.

This is something that small kids or Miss Universe contestants, device as solutions for World problems!
Which one are you?? :)
 
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