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Should Pakistan strike against terrorists inside Afghanistan?

Don't put words in my mouth. You cannot blame Iran for hosting Taliban. 99% of them are in Pakistan. If you don't believe me ask Bajwa or Raheel.

A revelation .... "you cannot blame Iran for hosting Taliban"

I thought Taliban are the enemy of Afghan people .... why is Iran sheltering the enemy of Afghan people and why are you not outraged by it.

Why are you blaming Pakistan if they shelter the same people.
 
Don't put words in my mouth. You cannot blame Iran for hosting Taliban. 99% of them are in Pakistan. If you don't believe me ask Bajwa or Raheel.

Of course you can blame them. Their role might be small but it would be intelligent to deal with it while its small. Iran's support for Taliban is no conspiracy. General Joh Nicholson blamed Iran, Pakistan and Russia for trying to legitimize Taliban. He has a lot of experience there so I am sure he knows what he is talking about.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/9/john-nicholson-russian-involvement-afghanistan-bec/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/01/28/meet-the-next-commander-in-afghanistan-who-has-deeper-experience-there-than-almost-any-u-s-general/?utm_term=.ccb9bb7832d7
 
99% of Taliban are in Pakistan :)))


Now I've heard it all.



So 99% of Taliban are in Pakistan but still Afghan government doesn't have writ over any land just a kilometer outside of Kabul.
 
^ Add to that the Wahabi nations who have funded such organisations for decades. There is a reason the Taliban's office for negotiations was in Qatar.
 
^ Add to that the Wahabi nations who have funded such organisations for decades. There is a reason the Taliban's office for negotiations was in Qatar.

And there is a reason why they fly to Qatar from Pakistan. I was talking about majority of their leadership being in Pakistan and not the foot soldiers.
 
And there is a reason why they fly to Qatar from Pakistan. I was talking about majority of their leadership being in Pakistan and not the foot soldiers.

And hence it seems clear Pakistan is not the only backing the same party. There are numerous countries hosting them/backing them yet your ire is never directed elsewhere.

Nice to see you skip all 3 posts above mine. :91:
 
Ideally both Pakistan and Afghanistan governments should work together to eradicate these terrorist groups but relations seem so sour currently that I don't think there's much cooperation when it comes to intelligence sharing, joint security etc. If there is intelligence of TTP commanders inside Afghanistan and the Afghan security forces are unwilling or unable to go after them, and there is no risk of civilian casualties, then Pakistan should reserve the right to defend the security of its people and target those terrorists. Let's not be hypocritical - its the same argument the Americans use with their drone programme and most PPers are against that policy. However reality sometimes demands certain actions.

Solely focusing on this issue of Afghan border security is not enough when so many attacks originate INSIDE Pakistan. We are also focusing too much on the military aspect and neglecting the civil institutions that need strengthening to fight terror. I suggest people read as much of the Justice Isa Report that was published after the Quetta hospital bombing. Unlike NAP, there were practical recommendations that must be followed.

1) Nacta must have teeth. It is lacking trained staff, funds and authority. Nacta's OWN head Ihsan Ghani went on TV and said "There is no operational role of Nacta" ! Nacta is meant to compile data on terrorist attacks yet its own Director General admits it doesn't even do that. Nacta board of governors haven't even met once despite being legally obliged to meet every quarter.

2) Police reform and investment. I was amazed to read in the Report that the IG of Quetta police didn't even understand basic protocol in the aftermath of the Quetta terrorist attack. The crime scenes were not secured nor were they forensically examined. And sadly this incompetence is not limited to Quetta police. Whilst Punjab has a state of the art forensic lab - there is a lack of trained personnel and investigators to use them.

All police departments in Pakistan's major cities need bomb disposal equipment and access to trained personnel. Pakistani police have not moved on from the colonial era. They lack the technology needed to record data. And look at the sheer numbers. There are 179,000 police serving a population of 103 million in Punjab. In Turkey, 200,000 policemen serve 60m people. No wonder terrorists can easily cross from one province to another. In 2013, Turkey allocated $7.5 billion for its police; the Punjab police’s annual budget for the same year was $0.75bn.

Now you tell me whether you can fight a war on terror on this shoestring budget. Presently per capita police expenditure in Punjab is $7.6. In contrast, Indian Punjab spends $15.9, Turkey $135 and London $754.

3) Judicial reforms. The conviction rate is too low and there is a major backlog of cases. Judges and witnesses are often intimidated. The Protection of Pakistan Act 2015 passed by National Assembly has a provision for the witness protection and Sindh Assembly also passed a witness protection bill but these haven't been practically implemented.

4) Regulate madrassas. The ministry of religious affairs does not possess even basic data about the religious institutions in the country nor does have the capability to obtain it. There is no central bank of data, including the number of seminaries and their profiles, nor is the ministry, or ANY other authority in Pakistan, even attempting to collect it !
 
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If striking inside Afghanistan was so straightforward then surely the armed forces under Raheel Sharif, the most powerful army head for years, would have done so after the Peshawar school attack.

It's easy to say "let's strike Afghanistan" whilst sitting in the comfort of ones home, sometimes several thousand miles away, however the fact that the Pak army haven't gone down this route despite of all the terror attacks over the years says a lot about what kind of suggestion this is.
 
And there is a reason why they fly to Qatar from Pakistan. I was talking about majority of their leadership being in Pakistan and not the foot soldiers.

Maybe because there are no flights from Iran to Qatar?.... just a guess

Leadership lives in Pakistan and Iran... how did you gauge that it's 1%? They slip into Iran to avoid detection.

Why is Iran sheltering them and I am still waiting for an explanation on why you have such selective outrage.
 
And hence it seems clear Pakistan is not the only backing the same party. There are numerous countries hosting them/backing them yet your ire is never directed elsewhere.

Nice to see you skip all 3 posts above mine. :91:

Imagine this... Saudis, Qatar, Pakistan and .... Iran backing the same side, yet Pakistan gets all the blame!!
 
That we will be like putting an axe in one's head.what saved usa from the ire of afghans was it was 5 oceans away,otherwise it would have been turned in a suicide den.for Pakistan with borders contagious with Afghanistan it will calling for a suicide.the only forward is greater engagement with Afghanistan.
 
That we will be like putting an axe in one's head.what saved usa from the ire of afghans was it was 5 oceans away,otherwise it would have been turned in a suicide den.for Pakistan with borders contagious with Afghanistan it will calling for a suicide.the only forward is greater engagement with Afghanistan.

If US was bordering Afghanistan.... Afghanistan would a) been levelled or b) be the worlds biggest walled prison ala Gaza Strip.

No one allows such liberties as much as the afghans have been getting away in Pakistan, especially not the Americans.
 
Different countries backed different factions during the civil war. The Northern Alliance was supported by a host of foreign countries for mainly ethnic reasons, the same for Talibans with Pakistan : Talibans are mainly Pashtuns and of course the fact that there are 1.5x times more Pashtuns in PK than AFG is not an innocent factor. For some reasons the Talibans won, but what if the NA were the victors ? What would have Uzbek warlord Abdul Rashid Dostum done with Pashtuns ? Also, never forget that the "strategic depth" theory using Pashtuns was not inaugurated by Pakistan, but by Afghanistan itself : already being the only country not having recognized Pakistan's independence because of the Durrand line (formalized by the Afghan king/Pashtun nationalist - and genocider of Hazaras - Abdur Rahman Khan, for pragmatic reasons), it's the first Afghan president, Daud Khan, following "Loy Afghanistan" impetus, who directly attacked Pakistan's national sovereignty by sending irregulars into the Bajaur agency, and it's only as retaliation that Z.A. Bhutto asked Naseerullah Babar to get more involved in the neighbouring country.

Ultimately the crux of the whole problem has been that "we" sided with the US against the Soviet Union, who might have been their own flaws, but had more commendable projects for the region than the Great Satan, and at least a socialist Afghanistan might have been as prosperous as well as free of such religious extremism.
 
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