Should Pakistan take the initiative in seeking peace with India?

[Major]

So discussing on Pakistan forum is all you came up ? This is what Indian and Indian government dependent on Pakistan ?? hahah.

Bhai rehne de tu ni ho payega tere se

well you as an Indian are dependent on and cant refrain.

 

[Major]

The issue with discussing anything with Indians is their attitude. We are right, you are wrong and thats it.

Like someone called Meena jee is telling us how Pakistan should be towing the Indian line. Like just few weeks ago you guys were shown how Indian govt funded BLA.

Point is, if you cant be mature enough to accept your own faults than all you will get is insults from us while you post on a Pakistani forum

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

well you as an Indian are dependent on and cant refrain.

He loves spending time on a Pakistani forum. I am pretty sure he will hit 50,000 posts by 2028. What an achievement that will be. His reaction will most likely be: ghar mein ghus ke posts maarenge.

 

[Major]

He loves spending time on a Pakistani forum. I am pretty sure he will hit 50,000 posts by 2028. What an achievement that will be. His reaction will most likely be: ghar mein ghus ke posts maarenge.

i still find it funny that he was trying to rename Indian cities that had muslim names while his own name is Meena.

He kept reporting me after that...

 

[deltexas]

I would but the 5 white pigeons would be

1) @cricketjoshila
2) @Devadwal
3) @Major
4) @sweep_shot
5) and any other Pakistani or Indian poster like deadlyvenom or Rajdeep who like to politically tussle as well

Now you tell me how this council is gonna go down? All that'll happen is that I'll be your first signature and your final shamat

Man , it will be a tie every time it will be 1&2 voting together and 3&4 voting together. So who's gonna be the critical tie breaker lol ??

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

i still find it funny that he was trying to rename Indian cities that had muslim names while his own name is Meena.

He kept reporting me after that...

I think you must have misheard it. It definitely starts with a Ka, not an M. That's why he loves KP.

 

[deltexas]

Pakistan was not my country of origin. When I use failed state, I adopt the language that critical detractors use because I am careful not to be seen as biased. I can refer to them as successful state if you would prefer.

So India is scared of Pakistan's military prowess, is that what you are now saying?

It seems like India is totally helpless in the face of it's neighbour according to your logic.

If you dont even accept reality, living in a mirage world - then things never change.
- As of today, if Pak is not a failed state, I dont know what to say. Does it have to be that way ? No. The Pak folks can make choices that will mitigate that
- Not a question of being scared. Easy being a keyboard warrior, to spout the word "war" at the drop of a hat. Wars are terrible , waste of money and human life. What is the cost of that war win? Ind economy set back decades, Pak economy crushed and generations of trauma and loss of human life and misery.
- Nobody or atleast a vast majority of normal common folks have no time for any stupid wars

 

[mominsaigol]

If you dont even accept reality, living in a mirage world - then things never change.
- As of today, if Pak is not a failed state, I dont know what to say. Does it have to be that way ? No. The Pak folks can make choices that will mitigate that
- Not a question of being scared. Easy being a keyboard warrior, to spout the word "war" at the drop of a hat. Wars are terrible , waste of money and human life. What is the cost of that war win? Ind economy set back decades, Pak economy crushed and generations of trauma and loss of human life and misery.
- Nobody or atleast a vast majority of normal common folks have no time for any stupid wars

These are Pak folks options.

1) Immigrate
2) Beg western nations to grant free asylum and refugee visa status
3) Ask India to Attack Australia so that USA bombs India due to the treaty agreement.
4) You know the movie 300? Aka THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAA, well time to March into war and say THIS IS PAKISTANNNNN

 

[mominsaigol]

These are Pak folks options.

1) Immigrate
2) Beg western nations to grant free asylum and refugee visa status
3) Ask India to Attack Australia so that USA bombs India due to the treaty agreement.
4) You know the movie 300? Aka THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAA, well time to March into war and say THIS IS PAKISTANNNNN

@deltexas Ik this is offtopic, but Pakistan should have just played it smart like NZ and Australia did.

Australia has no issues becoming a sugar baby for USA. In the same way NZ has no issues becoming one for Aus.

Ik Pak and India share hostile borders, but PK should have tried to settle when India offered. Even China did settle with Taiwan and Hong Kong. Yes they are not happy and if USA was to vanish off the face of the earth, China would instantly reclaim these 2 terrortories since their would be no USA to keep em In check,

However China use to bully these guys alot until they settled when peace was offered.

Then canada is rushing to secure peace, UK rushed to secure peace with Germany since they were pretty much exhausted after the war.

Even Japan settled by 1952.

Don't know why PK never settled in it's early days. Logically this is something that should have been resolved around 2008-2010

 

[Suleiman]

I am also about to draft and present a joint declaration of Pakpassion posters to pledge to not indulge in War mongering, communalism and hate propaganda in their posts. I plan to invite fellow posters to be signatories of this new bill.

Anyone found in violation of the bill after becoming a signatory will face a trial, which would be heard by the 5 White Pigeons of Peace to be timely nominated by the signatories whose decision will be considered on vote to majority basis. Once proven guilty the jury will decide either abolish the membership or proposed temporary suspension.

I am with you. Let’s jot down some preliminary clauses so we can initiate this treaty. If we can be successful in implementing this on Pakpassion then our leaders have no excuse.

This would be us talking with our action and not just words

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If you dont even accept reality, living in a mirage world - then things never change.
- As of today, if Pak is not a failed state, I dont know what to say. Does it have to be that way ? No. The Pak folks can make choices that will mitigate that
- Not a question of being scared. Easy being a keyboard warrior, to spout the word "war" at the drop of a hat. Wars are terrible , waste of money and human life. What is the cost of that war win? Ind economy set back decades, Pak economy crushed and generations of trauma and loss of human life and misery.
- Nobody or atleast a vast majority of normal common folks have no time for any stupid wars

You are missing the point of what I am saying. I am not arguing whether Pakistan is a failed state, what I am saying is that India has no intent or reason for peace because that would clash with the BJP hindutva ideology. They see Pakistan as an implacable enemy, and as such, the only relation which they would consider in my opinion, is one where Pakistan would become gradually weaker. But if you disagree then feel free to give an alternative scenario.

 

[Devadwal]

You are missing the point of what I am saying. I am not arguing whether Pakistan is a failed state, what I am saying is that India has no intent or reason for peace because that would clash with the BJP hindutva ideology. They see Pakistan as an implacable enemy, and as such, the only relation which they would consider in my opinion, is one where Pakistan would become gradually weaker. But if you disagree then feel free to give an alternative scenario.

This is Where Pakistan peoples are delusional and no nothing about history .

The late atal bihari vajpayee tried to peace with Pakistan and started bus diplomacy .

during Indian PM Atal Bihari Vajpayee's visit to Pakistan, both countries had acceded and successfully ratified the Lahore Declaration and pledged to make joint efforts for peace and stability in South Asia.

But we he got return the kargil from Pakistan establishment then Parliament attack, Mumbai attack and this list is much bigger.

He was BJP leader which you're accusing.

India always wanted peace with Pakistan but Pakistan always betrayed.

Now situation is changed as we moved on from Pakistan and doesn't depend on Pakistan . This is MODI India where one mumbai type attacks on India by Pakistan and they will face bigger consequences.

Here is India new policy under Modi and doval .

Understanding the Doval Doctrine of Defensive Offence

A Summary of Ajit Doval's Lecture at Sastra University in February 2014. | OpIndia News

www.opindia.com

Now Pakistan has to agree with pre terms and conditions of India to sit on negotiations table or forget about it .

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is Where Pakistan peoples are delusional and no nothing about history .

The late atal bihari vajpayee tried to peace with Pakistan and started bus diplomacy .

during Indian PM Atal Bihari Vajpayee's visit to Pakistan, both countries had acceded and successfully ratified the Lahore Declaration and pledged to make joint efforts for peace and stability in South Asia.

But we he got return the kargil from Pakistan establishment then Parliament attack, Mumbai attack and this list is much bigger.

He was BJP leader which you're accusing.

India always wanted peace with Pakistan but Pakistan always betrayed.

Now situation is changed as we moved on from Pakistan and doesn't depend on Pakistan . This is MODI India where one mumbai type attacks on India by Pakistan and they will face bigger consequences.

Here is India new policy under Modi and doval .

Understanding the Doval Doctrine of Defensive Offence

A Summary of Ajit Doval's Lecture at Sastra University in February 2014. | OpIndia News

www.opindia.com

Now Pakistan has to agree with pre terms and conditions of India to sit on negotiations table or forget about it .

So basically you are agreeing what I am saying. India has a fixed policy of enmity with Pakistan and will use some incident in history to justify it regardless of Pakistan's position. In truth this suits India, and maybe it suits Pakistan military leadership as well. Both are fighting the same cause actually.

 

[deltexas]

You are missing the point of what I am saying. I am not arguing whether Pakistan is a failed state, what I am saying is that India has no intent or reason for peace because that would clash with the BJP hindutva ideology. They see Pakistan as an implacable enemy, and as such, the only relation which they would consider in my opinion, is one where Pakistan would become gradually weaker. But if you disagree then feel free to give an alternative scenario.

Ind tried peace so many times in the past. Pak never reciprocated and backstabbed Ind . So now Ind is at a point where it has decided it has no value talking to Pak. 1st think Pak will say is Kashmir and that will be the end of discussion. J&K is now a part of Ind period whether Pak agrees or not and thats the reality. And the truth is Pak establishment knows this 100% as well but they will use this for eternity to milk the money for their own gains and fooling the Pak public. Pak should agree to LOC as int border and discuss but will never happen or else establishment doesnt have anything to show as to why they need the funds.

- 1965 war, 1971 war ( Ind returned 93,000 prisoners of war in this. 93000! Let that sink in for you folks who keep harping on the tea was fantastic nonsense. No matter what country POW's should always be treated with respect and am happy that Ind returned them in 71. Id could have have forced Pak to sign "anything" in exchange for them but didnt do it as thats not the right protocol and every Ind was proud of it unlike Pakposters here who repeatedly post about "1" Abhinandan which is a shame.
- 99 Kargil war - Vajpayee tried the Lahore peace bs thing and got this gift in return
- 2008's Ind parliament attacks, Taj Mumbai attacks
And others.. So you tell me , Ind reached out so many times ? What was Pak response ? Can Pak be mature and get to the table to talk? And frankly the Kashmir plebicite talk, UN resolution talk etc etc is all history now. Agree to LOC as int border and talk but will never happen and you know why but wont ever accept it. And so , here we are in limbo.

 

[LordJames]

India has never accepted Pakistan and nothing short of assimilation back into India and complete subjugation of Muslims by Hindus will be acceptable.

There are only two solutions to India:

1. Islamic rule over India again and this time, apply the rules of Shariah to all minorities. This means granting all rights (religious, personal, property) but non-Muslims live by giving Jizyah
2. Muslims accept to live as 2nd or 3rd class citizens to Hindus

1 is inevitable but 2 may happen for a number of Muslims for a short period.

The Sultans & Mughals (including Aurangzeb) didn't rule by principles of Shariah, many individuals pious kings but principles of Shariah was lacking (particularly Dawah to large numbers of locals), the vast majority of (converted Muslims of India) are due to Sufi Dawah and not any state sponsored, organized and concerted efforts as highlighted by Shah Waliullah

A large number of Hindus are not the problem, it is the Brahmin rule and its vice like grip on Hinduism which is the issue and will lead to its downfall and their desire to subjugate Muslims which will trigger a backlash.

Tawheed and Shirk cannot coexist, I am not saying Muslims and Hindus cannot coexist, I am saying that the the systems of Tawheed and Shirk cannot coexist and each will be at the other's neck until one of them submits.

Its a matter of time...

 

[Devadwal]

T

India has never accepted Pakistan and nothing short of assimilation back into India and complete subjugation of Muslims by Hindus will be acceptable.

There are only two solutions to India:

1. Islamic rule over India again and this time, apply the rules of Shariah to all minorities. This means granting all rights (religious, personal, property) but non-Muslims live by giving Jizyah
2. Muslims accept to live as 2nd or 3rd class citizens to Hindus

1 is inevitable but 2 may happen for a number of Muslims for a short period.

The Sultans & Mughals (including Aurangzeb) didn't rule by principles of Shariah, many individuals pious kings but principles of Shariah was lacking (particularly Dawah to large numbers of locals), the vast majority of (converted Muslims of India) are due to Sufi Dawah and not any state sponsored, organized and concerted efforts as highlighted by Shah Waliullah

A large number of Hindus are not the problem, it is the Brahmin rule and its vice like grip on Hinduism which is the issue and will lead to its downfall and their desire to subjugate Muslims which will trigger a backlash.

Tawheed and Shirk cannot coexist, I am not saying Muslims and Hindus cannot coexist, I am saying that the the systems of Tawheed and Shirk cannot coexist and each will be at the other's neck until one of them submits.

Its a matter of time...

Haha Pakistani and their delusion has no Limit.

Islamic rule over India again is inevitable @Rajdeep

 

[Devadwal]

India has never accepted Pakistan and nothing short of assimilation back into India and complete subjugation of Muslims by Hindus will be acceptable.

There are only two solutions to India:

1. Islamic rule over India again and this time, apply the rules of Shariah to all minorities. This means granting all rights (religious, personal, property) but non-Muslims live by giving Jizyah
2. Muslims accept to live as 2nd or 3rd class citizens to Hindus

1 is inevitable but 2 may happen for a number of Muslims for a short period.

The Sultans & Mughals (including Aurangzeb) didn't rule by principles of Shariah, many individuals pious kings but principles of Shariah was lacking (particularly Dawah to large numbers of locals), the vast majority of (converted Muslims of India) are due to Sufi Dawah and not any state sponsored, organized and concerted efforts as highlighted by Shah Waliullah

A large number of Hindus are not the problem, it is the Brahmin rule and its vice like grip on Hinduism which is the issue and will lead to its downfall and their desire to subjugate Muslims which will trigger a backlash.

Tawheed and Shirk cannot coexist, I am not saying Muslims and Hindus cannot coexist, I am saying that the the systems of Tawheed and Shirk cannot coexist and each will be at the other's neck until one of them submits.

Its a matter of time...

Haha Pakistani and their delusion has no Limit.

Islamic rule over India again is inevitable @Rajdeep

 

[Rajdeep]

Haha Pakistani and their delusion has no Limit.

Islamic rule over India again is inevitable @Rajdeep

Not only that...he wants to implement Shahria law on minorities as well. Imagine the mindset of these Islamists and think about the conditions of minorities in countries like Pak and BD. These guys wants Sharia law when in majority but cry for secularism when in minority.

 

[Rajdeep]

India has never accepted Pakistan and nothing short of assimilation back into India and complete subjugation of Muslims by Hindus will be acceptable.

There are only two solutions to India:

1. Islamic rule over India again and this time, apply the rules of Shariah to all minorities. This means granting all rights (religious, personal, property) but non-Muslims live by giving Jizyah
2. Muslims accept to live as 2nd or 3rd class citizens to Hindus

1 is inevitable but 2 may happen for a number of Muslims for a short period.

The Sultans & Mughals (including Aurangzeb) didn't rule by principles of Shariah, many individuals pious kings but principles of Shariah was lacking (particularly Dawah to large numbers of locals), the vast majority of (converted Muslims of India) are due to Sufi Dawah and not any state sponsored, organized and concerted efforts as highlighted by Shah Waliullah

A large number of Hindus are not the problem, it is the Brahmin rule and its vice like grip on Hinduism which is the issue and will lead to its downfall and their desire to subjugate Muslims which will trigger a backlash.

Tawheed and Shirk cannot coexist, I am not saying Muslims and Hindus cannot coexist, I am saying that the the systems of Tawheed and Shirk cannot coexist and each will be at the other's neck until one of them submits.

Its a matter of time...

How exactly you think Islamist rule will come back in India? India has 80% Hindus...so what is your plan to make them minorities and replace the majority with Islam. I would love this to be a seperate thread as it will be interesting discussion which will expose many hypocrites here.

 

[Devadwal]

Not only that...he wants to implement Shahria law on minorities as well. Imagine the mindset of these Islamists and think about the conditions of minorities in countries like Pak and BD. These guys wants Sharia law when in majority but cry for secularism when in minority.

This mindset is very dangerous for the society and no wonder Pakistan has become a failed state and hub of non State actor's .

Hope one day sanity prevail and think something positive for the society .

Hope against hope .

 

[LordJames]

How exactly you think Islamist rule will come back in India? India has 80% Hindus...so what is your plan to make them minorities and replace the majority with Islam. I would love this to be a seperate thread as it will be interesting discussion which will expose many hypocrites here.

Firstly, I am not Pakistani.

Secondly, I am discussing about Islam and not Pakistan or Pakistani Army taking over India. Pakistan is a majority Muslim country just like many other majority Muslim countries around the world (Bangladesh, Indonesia, Egypt, Turkiye etc). I understand that in the mind of a "standard Hindu" whenever Islam is discussed they automatically equate it with Pakistan and that is a folly.

Pakistan didn't exist before 1947 and may not exist in the future, who knows...

Tahweed and belief in God has existed since Prophet Adam (Peace be Upon Him) and will continue to exist so I am discussing Islam as a system here. As far as Hindus living under Shariah is concerned then Hindus lived under "Muslim here" for hundreds of years and even "Muslim here (as opposed to Islamic here)" ensured that they not only survived but thrived so an Islamic rule guarantees minority rights beyond even what your forefathers experienced under "Muslim rule" for centuries.

Thirdly, the superficial (skin deep) economic prosperity which "some of the Indian middle class enjoys" is relatively recent (since the late 90s) and it is a matter of a global economic downturn coupled with xenophobia (against Indians) that India will be unable to feed its massive population because structural prosperity in India doesn't exist. The West sees India has nothing but a massive market and a stop against China, both options can disappear in the blink of an eye due to market shifts and India will overnight revert back to what it is, an abject poor nation unable to feed its citizens.

In such a scenario, millions (or even billions) around the world be impacted (Muslims included) but Islam will survive while Hindutva will be severely impacted and the temporary showboating (IPL etc) will not be around.

In a showdown between Islam and Hindutva OR even Islam and Hindusm, Islam will never lose.

As I said, the issue is that every time Islam is mentioned your mind instantly equates it with Pakistan or whenever an Islamic rule of India (in the world) is mentioned your mind automatically pictures Pakistan Army tanks rolling or Pakistan General sitting in Delhi...all of these are mental concepts which cannot be farther from the truth.

In addition, a fake narrative (based on absolute lies) has been put in your mind about Aurangzeb which colors your judgement about Islamic rule . Aurangzeb was a good person who may have made mistakes (any human does) but he didn't commit or sanction Genocide or set out to destroy Hinduism. Even if he did (which he didn't) his actions do not represent Islam​

 

[rpant_gabba]

India has never accepted Pakistan and nothing short of assimilation back into India and complete subjugation of Muslims by Hindus will be acceptable.

No. Most current generation Indians are glad with the formation of Pakistan and would prefer to cut off all relations with Pakistan, both east and west.

There are only two solutions to India:

1. Islamic rule over India again and this time, apply the rules of Shariah to all minorities. This means granting all rights (religious, personal, property) but non-Muslims live by giving Jizya

1 is inevitable

Sure. LMAO. who exactly is going to make it happen?

Lets take a survey here. What do you think @The Bald Eagle @Justcrazy @DeadlyVenom @MenInG .

Do you guys subscribe to this pipe dream? which entity is going to get this done?

but 2 may happen for a number of Muslims for a short period.

The Sultans & Mughals (including Aurangzeb) didn't rule by principles of Shariah, many individuals pious kings but principles of Shariah was lacking (particularly Dawah to large numbers of locals), the vast majority of (converted Muslims of India) are due to Sufi Dawah and not any state sponsored, organized and concerted efforts as highlighted by Shah Waliullah

A large number of Hindus are not the problem, it is the Brahmin rule and its vice like grip on Hinduism which is the issue and will lead to its downfall and their desire to subjugate Muslims which will trigger a backlash.

Tawheed and Shirk cannot coexist, I am not saying Muslims and Hindus cannot coexist, I am saying that the the systems of Tawheed and Shirk cannot coexist and each will be at the other's neck until one of them submits.

Its a matter of time...

Sure. More evidence that religiosity is a metal illness.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

No. Most current generation Indians are glad with the formation of Pakistan and would prefer to cut off all relations with Pakistan, both east and west.

Sure. LMAO. who exactly is going to make it happen?

Lets take a survey here. What do you think @The Bald Eagle @Justcrazy @DeadlyVenom @MenInG .

Do you guys subscribe to this pipe dream? which entity is going to get this done?

Sure. More evidence that religiosity is a metal illness.

Why wouldn't you want it? It was sthe most glorious era in the history of the subcontinent. Let's make India great again.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Why wouldn't you want it? It was sthe most glorious era in the history of the subcontinent. Let's make India great again.

how about answering the question that was asked?

Is it inevitable? is so who is going t make it happen? West Pakistan? East pakistan? bring some logic to your answer

 

[LordJames]

how about answering the question that was asked?

Is it inevitable? is so who is going t make it happen? West Pakistan? East pakistan? bring some logic to your answer

No. Most current generation Indians are glad with the formation of Pakistan and would prefer to cut off all relations with Pakistan, both east and west.

Sure. LMAO. who exactly is going to make it happen?

Lets take a survey here. What do you think @The Bald Eagle @Justcrazy @DeadlyVenom @MenInG .

Do you guys subscribe to this pipe dream? which entity is going to get this done?

Sure. More evidence that religiosity is a metal illness.

There is no problems with any Indian (or anyone else) disagreeing with someone's views as long as you distinguish between Islam and Pakistan.

Hinduism or Hindutva is an ideology of residents of a limited geography while Islam is the ideology of 1.5 billion spread everywhere and practiced and it is truly multi-ethnic and multi-cultural, in the confrontation Islam will never lose.

Nobody can predict the future precisely as to how and why things will happen just like the world didn't know that USSR will collapse (within a decade of invading Afghanistan) or more recently a few days before a meeting in Ankara to negotiate, HTS will take over Syria will lead to the downfall of Al-Asaad regime and they will escape with their tails between their legs..nobody knew so I also have no idea

But I know that in the next economic downturn, India will not be able to feed its massive population and the superficial middle class will be hunted down for a piece of bread. It will also impact millions (or billions) around the world but Islam will survive although millions of Muslims may not.

As long as you see the distinction and understand that I am not talking about Pakistan (East, West, North etc) or Baluchistan or anything else related to it and I am discussing Islam, don't care if you agree or not.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

how about answering the question that was asked?

Is it inevitable? is so who is going t make it happen? West Pakistan? East pakistan? bring some logic to your answer

I can't answer that question. There are many scenarios that can happen. Nothing is impossible.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

@rpant_gabba now that I have answered your question please answer mine. Why don't you want to make India great again?

 

[rpant_gabba]

There is no problems with any Indian (or anyone else) disagreeing with someone's views as long as you distinguish between Islam and Pakistan.

Hinduism or Hindutva is an ideology of residents of a limited geography while Islam is the ideology of 1.5 billion spread everywhere and practiced and it is truly multi-ethnic and multi-cultural, in the confrontation Islam will never lose.

Nobody can predict the future precisely as to how and why things will happen just like the world didn't know that USSR will collapse (within a decade of invading Afghanistan) or more recently a few days before a meeting in Ankara to negotiate, HTS will take over Syria will lead to the downfall of Al-Asaad regime and they will escape with their tails between their legs..nobody knew so I also have no idea

But I know that in the next economic downturn, India will not be able to feed its massive population and the superficial middle class will be hunted down for a piece of bread. It will also impact millions (or billions) around the world but Islam will survive although millions of Muslims may not.

As long as you see the distinction and understand that I am not talking about Pakistan (East, West, North etc) or Baluchistan or anything else related to it and I am discussing Islam, don't care if you agree or not.

Why do religious folks start ranting instead answering somple straight forward questions.

If Islam and Allah are so great why are gazans getting their heads kicked in?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Why do religious folks start ranting instead answering somple straight forward questions.

If Islam and Allah are so great why are gazans getting their heads kicked in?

You are referring to the murder of small children who are deliberately being bombed and maimed. Before saying religiouslity is a mental illness you should consider your language regarding the murder of innocent children. I hope you do not have children of your own with such an attitude.

 

[LordJames]

Why do religious folks start ranting instead answering somple straight forward questions.

If Islam and Allah are so great why are gazans getting their heads kicked in?

Sure, because your assumption is based on superficial view of the world.

In your view, abundance of wealth and scarcity of problems is success. In Islam, God has never promised good things to those who believe, in fact God has promised the opposite which is:

[2:155] We will certainly test you with a touch of fear and famine and loss of property, life, and crops. Give good news to those who patiently endure—

In the Qur'aan, there are anecdotes of great Prophets like Moses (Peace be upon Him) or Job (Peace be upon Him) or Joseph (Peace be upon Him) who were tested with poverty, physical harm or other loses.

Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) never ate to his full (his entire life), suffered enormous losses (death of children, divorces of his beloved daughters, physical harm) etc all his life

The Palestinians know that they have not been promised the wealth, prosperity and blessings of this world, they have been promised the hereafter. That's why you see their reaction when their beloved are killed and they state

[2:156] who say, when struck by a disaster, “Surely to Allah we belong and to Him we will ˹all˺ return.”

And the ideology and belief of Palestinians in Gaza is exactly why Islam will rule over you and in a confrontation between Islam and Hindutva OR even Islam and Hindusm, Islam will never lose.

Your (temporary, superficial and new found) economic prosperity will not survive beyond the next economic downturn along with your ideology.

The Palestinian will die (in the most brutal manner) but will leave this world happy, content and with success while you will see it and think of it as failure. This is something which you cannot grasp or comprehend...

 

[LordJames]

You are referring to the murder of small children who are deliberately being bombed and maimed. Before saying religiouslity is a mental illness you should consider your language regarding the murder of innocent children. I hope you do not have children of your own with such an attitude.

Yes, I see that on Social Media where hordes of Indians are rejoicing over the killing of innocent Palestinian Children.

Their ideological hatred has stripped their humanity where they are unable to condemn barbaric killing of children. Any killing of anyone innocent (Muslim or Hindu) let alone children is tragic, barbaric and condemnable.

 

[rpant_gabba]

I can't answer that question. There are many scenarios that can happen. Nothing is impossible.

So a non answer. you are consistent.

 

[rpant_gabba]

You are referring to the murder of small children who are deliberately being bombed and maimed. Before saying religiouslity is a mental illness you should consider your language regarding the murder of innocent children. I hope you do not have children of your own with such an attitude.

I'm sure millions of native indians got murdered during islamic era in india. thats the price india had to pay for the "great" moghul era

Its the great jewish era in the middle east. thats why the guardians of Islam KSA is sitting quietly. Stop complaining non stop about trivial stuff and enjoy the great Zionist era. making middle east great again.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I'm sure millions of native indians got murdered during islamic era in india. thats the price india had to pay for the "great" moghul era

Its the great jewish era in the middle east. thats why the guardians of Islam KSA is sitting quietly. Stop complaining non stop about trivial stuff and enjoy the great Zionist era. making middle east great again.

The children that died were innocent's whether killed by mughals, Hindus or Jews. I assume you are some sort of incel with these types of posts.

 

[Justcrazy]

No. Most current generation Indians are glad with the formation of Pakistan and would prefer to cut off all relations with Pakistan, both east and west.

Sure. LMAO. who exactly is going to make it happen?

Lets take a survey here. What do you think @The Bald Eagle @Justcrazy @DeadlyVenom @MenInG .

Do you guys subscribe to this pipe dream? which entity is going to get this done?

Sure. More evidence that religiosity is a metal illness.

what is your question , can you rephrase it ?

 

[Justcrazy]

Why do religious folks start ranting instead answering somple straight forward questions.

If Islam and Allah are so great why are gazans getting their heads kicked in?

So you want God to act straightaway and punish people for wrong doing? You do not understand the doctrine of Islam, just want to pull out same arguments again and again .

Islam ( or other religions ) believe in hereafter. God will have his retribution but at its appointed time. When you go to school , the professor does not fail or pass a student in one day , it is the day when results come out and that is decided by the University.

That is why I always say , first point of debate should be the existence of God , after that attributes of God. If you jump the step , , it will never work out.

 

[rpant_gabba]

The children that died were innocent's whether killed by mughals, Hindus or Jews. I assume you are some sort of incel with these types of posts.

c'mon man get with the program. your boy lordjames wants jizya fro non muslims in india. you think mughal era of plunder and murder of native india was a small price for the great mughal era.

Israelis and many in the world think whats happening in the gaza is amll price fo rteh great Zionist era.

Besides the big islamic powers are sitting around with thumbs up their ass for 70+ years and some them in bed with the Zionists.

So what is good for the goose is good for the gander

 

[Devadwal]

Here are a few things Pakistanis need to understand about India before they decide what to do next:

1. The India of 2025 isn't the same as India of 2005. The strategic equation has drastically shifted in India's favour while Pakistan is still talking about the same issues today that it was back in 2005. A lot of people even in the West find it hard to digest but India has achieved whatever it has achieved with hard work and rational policy making.

2. The India of today sees itself not just as a regional player as it once used to. Today's India has Great Power ambitions. Indian policymakers are working overtime to exert their reality on the rest of the world, and the world has been listening. India wants itself to be treated at the same level as Russia, China, UK. And on that India has powerful allies in various capitals who agree with that view.

3. With the Trump admin in charge, the US is expected to forge even closer ties with India as part of its counter China policy. And at the same time Trump's policies towards Canada, UK, EU will ensure many more openings and opportunities for India. For instance, the same Canada that was recently accusing India of carrying out assassinations on its soil based on American intelligence is now booing the American anthem while offering an olive branch to India. Yes, right now Canada is desperate to improve its ties with India. Some time back Pakistani officials told American and Canadian officials that Pakistan also has the same complaint about India when it comes to assassinations on foreign soil. Why do you think Pakistani officials never heard back from the Canadians about that?

4. China itself has been encouraging India to resolve disputes, which is yet another Trump Effect. So Pakistan shouldn't expect China to aid it in its struggle against India beyond a certain extent. Add to that the fact that CPEC has not produced the kind of results for China (or Pakistan for that matter) that were initially imagined. Lately, China has been leaning towards Iran, and a lot of that is at the expense of Pakistan and Pakistani leaders know that quite well.

5. If Pakistan was expecting that it will get a free hand in Bangladesh to open a new front against India, much of those expectations were drained when Trump told Modi to deal with Bangladesh however he pleases. At the very least what that means is that Pakistan won't get a free hand there and Americans will be watching the whole thing very closely to make sure that whatever India and Pakistan are up to in Bangladesh doesn't create any major spoilers for US interests.

Now take all that information and do what suits you best. Good luck.

@DeadlyVenom you said na aap logo ki kon sunta hai ? Here is my answer . I know truth will hurt you but that's the your problem.

 

[rpant_gabba]

So you want God to act straightaway and punish people for wrong doing? You do not understand the doctrine of Islam, just want to pull out same arguments again and again .

Islam ( or other religions ) believe in hereafter. God will have his retribution but at its appointed time. When you go to school , the professor does not fail or pass a student in one day , it is the day when results come out and that is decided by the University.

Wow, what great wisdom. Never heard this one before. /S

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Modi when got elected in 2014 tried to form good relation with every neighbouring countries, from Bangladesh to Arab world. He extended the same gesture to Pakistan by visiting in Nawaz Shariffs house. However, the establishment of Pakistan who don't want peace with India to keep their relevance intact attacked the Pathankot airbase. From that point Modi realized there is no point engaging with Pakistan and completely ignored them. Why would he visit Pakistan when Imran Khan was in power when Imran was attacking him daily from twitter by calling his fascist, Nazi etc. Same Imran who when got ousted from PM post was praising BJP and its foreign policy in public speech. India gains nothing from engaging with Pakistan...zero benefits. Considering how many times hands have been burned before trying to engage with them both under Vajpayee and Modi era, India no longer makes any effort. There is no need to actually.

This is precisely what Imran Khan learned when he tried to engage with Modi. Modi was never interested in peace with Pakistan as hindutva doctrine is that India should never implement any policy which might benefit Pakistan even if it was in both countries interest.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Here are a few things Pakistanis need to understand about India before they decide what to do next:

1. The India of 2025 isn't the same as India of 2005. The strategic equation has drastically shifted in India's favour while Pakistan is still talking about the same issues today that it was back in 2005. A lot of people even in the West find it hard to digest but India has achieved whatever it has achieved with hard work and rational policy making.

2. The India of today sees itself not just as a regional player as it once used to. Today's India has Great Power ambitions. Indian policymakers are working overtime to exert their reality on the rest of the world, and the world has been listening. India wants itself to be treated at the same level as Russia, China, UK. And on that India has powerful allies in various capitals who agree with that view.

3. With the Trump admin in charge, the US is expected to forge even closer ties with India as part of its counter China policy. And at the same time Trump's policies towards Canada, UK, EU will ensure many more openings and opportunities for India. For instance, the same Canada that was recently accusing India of carrying out assassinations on its soil based on American intelligence is now booing the American anthem while offering an olive branch to India. Yes, right now Canada is desperate to improve its ties with India. Some time back Pakistani officials told American and Canadian officials that Pakistan also has the same complaint about India when it comes to assassinations on foreign soil. Why do you think Pakistani officials never heard back from the Canadians about that?

4. China itself has been encouraging India to resolve disputes, which is yet another Trump Effect. So Pakistan shouldn't expect China to aid it in its struggle against India beyond a certain extent. Add to that the fact that CPEC has not produced the kind of results for China (or Pakistan for that matter) that were initially imagined. Lately, China has been leaning towards Iran, and a lot of that is at the expense of Pakistan and Pakistani leaders know that quite well.

5. If Pakistan was expecting that it will get a free hand in Bangladesh to open a new front against India, much of those expectations were drained when Trump told Modi to deal with Bangladesh however he pleases. At the very least what that means is that Pakistan won't get a free hand there and Americans will be watching the whole thing very closely to make sure that whatever India and Pakistan are up to in Bangladesh doesn't create any major spoilers for US interests.

Now take all that information and do what suits you best. Good luck.

See above. None of this is news, India has never been serious about peaceful relations, certainly not under current BJP govt which has a strict anti-Islam - and therefore anti-Pakistan - policy.

 

[Rajdeep]

This is precisely what Imran Khan learned when he tried to engage with Modi. Modi was never interested in peace with Pakistan as hindutva doctrine is that India should never implement any policy which might benefit Pakistan even if it was in both countries interest.

As alluded to earlier, when Modi became Prime Minister, he aimed to build relationships with all neighboring countries, including Afghanistan, Bangladesh, the Middle East, and the Arab world. Many Muslim countries embraced his outreach. He extended the same courtesy to Pakistan by stopping over there while on a trip to Kabul. However, Pakistan responded with the Pathankot attacks.

This wasn’t the first time such a pattern occurred. When Vajpayee undertook the Aman Ki Aasha bus yatra, Musharraf responded with the Kargil incursion. Similarly, during the relatively peaceful era under Manmohan Singh, Pakistan orchestrated the 26/11 Mumbai attacks.

Modi may follow Hindutva or any other ideology within his own country—that is India’s internal matter. However, that should not be the reason for strained bilateral relations. By the time Imran Khan came to power, a lot had already happened—attacks like Pathankot and Uri had ensured that India was in no mood to engage in dialogue. India didn’t want to extend a hand only to be bitten again. Imran’s frequent Twitter attacks, often made to play to his domestic gallery, only worsened matters.

I'm not solely blaming Imran Khan for the lack of progress in Indo-Pak relations, but it's important to understand the chronology. Pakistan has historically been the aggressor, driven by its obsession with Kashmir—an obsession that seems more about keeping the army relevant than any genuine concern for the Kashmiri people.

Today, India is an emerging superpower, while Pakistan continues to rely on IMF bailouts. Given this dynamic, India has little incentive to engage with Pakistan, especially if it risks getting burned once again in the process

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

As alluded to earlier, when Modi became Prime Minister, he aimed to build relationships with all neighboring countries, including Afghanistan, Bangladesh, the Middle East, and the Arab world. Many Muslim countries embraced his outreach. He extended the same courtesy to Pakistan by stopping over there while on a trip to Kabul. However, Pakistan responded with the Pathankot attacks.

This wasn’t the first time such a pattern occurred. When Vajpayee undertook the Aman Ki Aasha bus yatra, Musharraf responded with the Kargil incursion. Similarly, during the relatively peaceful era under Manmohan Singh, Pakistan orchestrated the 26/11 Mumbai attacks.

Modi may follow Hindutva or any other ideology within his own country—that is India’s internal matter. However, that should not be the reason for strained bilateral relations. By the time Imran Khan came to power, a lot had already happened—attacks like Pathankot and Uri had ensured that India was in no mood to engage in dialogue. India didn’t want to extend a hand only to be bitten again. Imran’s frequent Twitter attacks, often made to play to his domestic gallery, only worsened matters.

I'm not solely blaming Imran Khan for the lack of progress in Indo-Pak relations, but it's important to understand the chronology. Pakistan has historically been the aggressor, driven by its obsession with Kashmir—an obsession that seems more about keeping the army relevant than any genuine concern for the Kashmiri people.

Today, India is an emerging superpower, while Pakistan continues to rely on IMF bailouts. Given this dynamic, India has little incentive to engage with Pakistan, especially if it risks getting burned once again in the process

There will always be two sides to every story, but for me your very last sentence is probably the real indicator of where the truth should be divined:

"Today, India is an emerging superpower, while Pakistan continues to rely on IMF bailouts. Given this dynamic, India has little incentive to engage with Pakistan, especially if it risks getting burned once again in the process"

As you rightly say, the dynamic favours India, Pakistan is the one more in need of good relations. So reading between the lines, it is pretty clear that it is India which benefits more from keeping things sour - or at least doesn't lose much. For them it would be no big deal to pretend to make overtures of peace like you alluded to, while actually organising plots which would undermine it. Just use some basic logic.

 

[Rajdeep]

There will always be two sides to every story, but for me your very last sentence is probably the real indicator of where the truth should be divined:

"Today, India is an emerging superpower, while Pakistan continues to rely on IMF bailouts. Given this dynamic, India has little incentive to engage with Pakistan, especially if it risks getting burned once again in the process"

As you rightly say, the dynamic favours India, Pakistan is the one more in need of good relations. So reading between the lines, it is pretty clear that it is India which benefits more from keeping things sour - or at least doesn't lose much. For them it would be no big deal to pretend to make overtures of peace like you alluded to, while actually organising plots which would undermine it. Just use some basic logic.

India benefits more from not engaging with Pakistan than the other way around, especially in light of the aforementioned atrocities perpetrated by Pakistan. Your sneaky attempt to shift the blame onto India won’t work. These so-called "overtures of peace" aren’t new. India wasn’t a superpower in the late '90s, yet Vajpayee still undertook the bus yatra—and got Kargil in return or how 26/11 happened under relatively calm Manmohan Singh era

Had India-Pakistan relations always been strong and only deteriorated post-2014 or after Modi/Hindutva came into power, your argument might have held some weight. But the reality is, regardless of which government or political party is in power in India, Pakistan has consistently backstabbed and perpetrated aggression. Your army and ISI are largely responsible for this, and that’s precisely why Pakistan struggles to maintain good relations with any of its neighbours, eastern or western.

I am just stating the facts, like I always do. It is then obviously unto you to take it or not.

 

[Bhaijaan]

The dream of every peace lover of subcontinent

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The dream of every peace lover of subcontinent

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Lol Bhai, Imran ko Sachin jitna he bna deta...no need for this height also

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

India benefits more from not engaging with Pakistan than the other way around, especially in light of the aforementioned atrocities perpetrated by Pakistan. Your sneaky attempt to shift the blame onto India won’t work. These so-called "overtures of peace" aren’t new. India wasn’t a superpower in the late '90s, yet Vajpayee still undertook the bus yatra—and got Kargil in return or how 26/11 happened under relatively calm Manmohan Singh era

Had India-Pakistan relations always been strong and only deteriorated post-2014 or after Modi/Hindutva came into power, your argument might have held some weight. But the reality is, regardless of which government or political party is in power in India, Pakistan has consistently backstabbed and perpetrated aggression. Your army and ISI are largely responsible for this, and that’s precisely why Pakistan struggles to maintain good relations with any of its neighbours, eastern or western.

I am just stating the facts, like I always do. It is then obviously unto you to take it or not.

None of that is facts, it is just your usual spin presented as facts. At least when I put something to you I just ask you to use basic logic and don't try to pass off propaganda as "facts".

FYI the Vajpayee bus yatra in the 90's was also deeply unpopular with the hardcore hindutvas, he was seen as a sell out by many within. Kargil was a dumb move by the Pak military, but they are not the sharpest tools in the box, they have a history of being played or persuaded by larger vested interests with lots of money on offer to make dumb moves. They certainly got used extremely effectively by Uncle Sam down the decades.

But maintaining bad relations makes no sense even for them since the '90s. There is no future in making enemies and building up huge debts which will ultimately backfire. That suits India far more.

 

[Rajdeep]

None of that is facts, it is just your usual spin presented as facts. At least when I put something to you I just ask you to use basic logic and don't try to pass off propaganda as "facts".

FYI the Vajpayee bus yatra in the 90's was also deeply unpopular with the hardcore hindutvas, he was seen as a sell out by many within. Kargil was a dumb move by the Pak military, but they are not the sharpest tools in the box, they have a history of being played or persuaded by larger vested interests with lots of money on offer to make dumb moves. They certainly got used extremely effectively by Uncle Sam down the decades.

But maintaining bad relations makes no sense even for them since the '90s. There is no future in making enemies and building up huge debts which will ultimately backfire. That suits India far more.

1999 – Kargil, 2008 – Mumbai, 2015 – Pathankot, 2016 – Uri, 2019 - Pulwama — these are all facts. If you think any of them aren't, then point out which one rather than casually dismissing them as "propaganda". I haven’t even mentioned Pakistan sheltering India’s most wanted like Dawood Ibrahim or arming secessionist movements in Kashmir — because honestly, if we were to list all the atrocities committed by Pakistan, it would be a long one.

If Pakistan were a superpower, maybe India would’ve swallowed the bitter pill and extended a hand of friendship. But considering Pakistan is a failed state, and on top of that has consistently tried to harm India, there’s absolutely nothing India gains by trying to normalize relations.

Also, once again you’re hiding behind the Hindutva narrative. You seem obsessed with that term and bring it into every debate, even when it adds no value to the discussion. Whether Vajpayee was popular among Hindutva supporters or not is irrelevant to Pakistan — that’s India’s internal matter, a concern for his voter base, not yours. The bottom line is that Vajpayee, as Indian PM, made genuine attempts for peace, and in return, he was backstabbed. The same happened with Manmohan Singh, and again with Modi. Your casual dismissal of that backstabbing as “dumb moves” while focusing instead on Vajpayee’s popularity with Hindutva voters just shows a lack of understanding of the core issue.

Your army may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but India is in no mood to be on the receiving end of those “dumb moves” again.

#Sorry

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

1999 – Kargil, 2008 – Mumbai, 2015 – Pathankot, 2016 – Uri, 2019 - Pulwama — these are all facts. If you think any of them aren't, then point out which one rather than casually dismissing them as "propaganda". I haven’t even mentioned Pakistan sheltering India’s most wanted like Dawood Ibrahim or arming secessionist movements in Kashmir — because honestly, if we were to list all the atrocities committed by Pakistan, it would be a long one.

If Pakistan were a superpower, maybe India would’ve swallowed the bitter pill and extended a hand of friendship. But considering Pakistan is a failed state, and on top of that has consistently tried to harm India, there’s absolutely nothing India gains by trying to normalize relations.

Also, once again you’re hiding behind the Hindutva narrative. You seem obsessed with that term and bring it into every debate, even when it adds no value to the discussion. Whether Vajpayee was popular among Hindutva supporters or not is irrelevant to Pakistan — that’s India’s internal matter, a concern for his voter base, not yours. The bottom line is that Vajpayee, as Indian PM, made genuine attempts for peace, and in return, he was backstabbed. The same happened with Manmohan Singh, and again with Modi. Your casual dismissal of that backstabbing as “dumb moves” while focusing instead on Vajpayee’s popularity with Hindutva voters just shows a lack of understanding of the core issue.

Your army may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but India is in no mood to be on the receiving end of those “dumb moves” again.

#Sorry

You describe India's attempts at peace as genuine. I'm sorry but how would you know that? Are you privy to their intelligence network?

I don't make any such defence of Pakistan, just point out that they have a history for individuals being bought off, and that most of these incidents you describe have benefited the hardline hindutva movement which dominates India today. That is a real fact and your elections kind of prove it. Nothing the Pakistan establishment has done has benefited Pakistan itself and even your own posters regularly mock them for it. You could make a genuine argument that they are working for Modi's benefit above Pakistan's.

 

[RexRex]

Kargil was a dumb move by the Pak military, but they are not the sharpest tools in the box, they have a history of being played or persuaded by larger vested interests with lots of money on offer to make dumb moves.

Whadya mean .. somebody wealthy paid Musharraf to start the Kargil War of 1999 ?

 

[Rajdeep]

You describe India's attempts at peace as genuine. I'm sorry but how would you know that? Are you privy to their intelligence network?

How do you know they weren’t genuine? If India had perpetrated any attacks on Pakistan after extending a hand of friendship, the way Pakistan has done , then you could argue that India’s efforts weren’t sincere. But history clearly shows that the backstabbing has consistently come from only one side.

I don't make any such defence of Pakistan

You did initially, but my subsequent reposts have reined you in, as they usually do.

these incidents you describe have benefited the hardline hindutva movement which dominates India today

I don’t follow this line of argument at all. How would Modi visiting Pakistan uninvited, or Vajpayee undertaking the bus yatra, benefit hardline Hindutva supporters? If anything, making peace overtures towards Pakistan would only antagonize them further, no?

That is a real fact and your elections kind of prove it.

Pakistan has perpetrated attacks and backstabbed India since the 1990s, regardless of which party was in power. Indian elections have had very little to do with it.

You could make a genuine argument that they are working for Modi's benefit above Pakistan's.

Narendra Modi doesn’t need any favors from Pakistanis. The people of India have elected him as their leader three times.

 

[rpant_gabba]

There is no problems with any Indian (or anyone else) disagreeing with someone's views as long as you distinguish between Islam and Pakistan.

Hinduism or Hindutva is an ideology of residents of a limited geography while Islam is the ideology of 1.5 billion spread everywhere and practiced and it is truly multi-ethnic and multi-cultural, in the confrontation Islam will never lose.

Nobody can predict the future precisely as to how and why things will happen just like the world didn't know that USSR will collapse (within a decade of invading Afghanistan) or more recently a few days before a meeting in Ankara to negotiate, HTS will take over Syria will lead to the downfall of Al-Asaad regime and they will escape with their tails between their legs..nobody knew so I also have no idea

But I know that in the next economic downturn, India will not be able to feed its massive population and the superficial middle class will be hunted down for a piece of bread. It will also impact millions (or billions) around the world but Islam will survive although millions of Muslims may not.

As long as you see the distinction and understand that I am not talking about Pakistan (East, West, North etc) or Baluchistan or anything else related to it and I am discussing Islam, don't care if you agree or not.

Bit of word salad there. Very common among religious folks.

Here is what you wrote


>>
There are only two solutions to India:

1. Islamic rule over India again and this time, apply the rules of Shariah to all minorities. This means granting all rights (religious, personal, property) but non-Muslims live by giving Jizya

1 is inevitable
<<<

So who is going to establish islamic rule over India again? Who is goin to collect jizya?

Regarding Islam not losing, looks like Zionists are able to make Muslims behave

 

[rpant_gabba]

There is no problems with any Indian (or anyone else) disagreeing with someone's views as long as you distinguish between Islam and Pakistan.

Hinduism or Hindutva is an ideology of residents of a limited geography while Islam is the ideology of 1.5 billion spread everywhere and practiced and it is truly multi-ethnic and multi-cultural, in the confrontation Islam will never lose.

Nobody can predict the future precisely as to how and why things will happen just like the world didn't know that USSR will collapse (within a decade of invading Afghanistan) or more recently a few days before a meeting in Ankara to negotiate, HTS will take over Syria will lead to the downfall of Al-Asaad regime and they will escape with their tails between their legs..nobody knew so I also have no idea

But I know that in the next economic downturn, India will not be able to feed its massive population and the superficial middle class will be hunted down for a piece of bread. It will also impact millions (or billions) around the world but Islam will survive although millions of Muslims may not.

As long as you see the distinction and understand that I am not talking about Pakistan (East, West, North etc) or Baluchistan or anything else related to it and I am discussing Islam, don't care if you agree or not.

So Palestinian suffering is an example of Islam winning?

Looks like superpowers of Islam KSA and Turkey are playing footsie with the Yahoodis and Iran is too sacre dto lift its head up.

May be Pre islam Persia might have put a good fight.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Never forget that peace in the region must be our top priority

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The Pahalgam terror attack has underlined that peace in the region cannot be established unless the major player wants it. Before the dust had even settled on the aftermath of the attack, India's prime minister was already putting in well laid plans to to take punitive actions against Pakistan when there can be no way he would know that Pakistan had any hand in it.

Hindutva doctrine demands a permanently hostile perspective towards Pakistan, at least under this current BJP leadership. Put simply, they think the benefits of enmity outweigh the costs. Peacable relations only suit Pakistan and that is anathema to the RSS ideologues of the BJP. Any attempts at peaceful overtures are usually window dressing only, usually as a precursor to a well planned outrage on Indian soil.

 

[IAJ]

The Pahalgam terror attack has underlined that peace in the region cannot be established unless the major player wants it. Before the dust had even settled on the aftermath of the attack, India's prime minister was already putting in well laid plans to to take punitive actions against Pakistan when there can be no way he would know that Pakistan had any hand in it.

Hindutva doctrine demands a permanently hostile perspective towards Pakistan, at least under this current BJP leadership. Put simply, they think the benefits of enmity outweigh the costs. Peacable relations only suit Pakistan and that is anathema to the RSS ideologues of the BJP. Any attempts at peaceful overtures are usually window dressing only, usually as a precursor to a well planned outrage on Indian soil.

Their dream of Akhand Bharat can not be achieved peacefully, so alomost unthinkable they will take initiative to peace with Pakistan.