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Weak and uninspiring rubs off on the players.
Sarfraz never takes responsibility or leads from the front. [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] you may dislike Misbah but he always would at least fight. Now we don't even di that.
Sarfraz surrendered this WC after the Trent Bridge ODI and his missed appeal - you could see that from his facial expressions at the end of the match. For his sake he must go.
Sarfraz never takes responsibility or leads from the front. [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] you may dislike Misbah but he always would at least fight. Now we don't even di that.
Sarfraz surrendered this WC after the Trent Bridge ODI and his missed appeal - you could see that from his facial expressions at the end of the match. For his sake he must go.
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Relax guys it is just one game, there are more matches ahead. It’s good that the loss came early in the tournament. Pakistan team can regroup and bring their Jazba Junoon
Who is going to keep then?
It's not random tournament that PAK can make Hasnain "injured" and call Rizwan. Even, if they want to replace Sarfraz, someone has to break a bat on his knee ...In the history of the game, there is a reason that Knott, Taylor, Doujon, Marsh, Kirmani, Gilchrist, ...... Strudwick was never made regular Captains. PCB made one, who doesn't even merit selection in the XI, then kept him comfortable without appointing a deputy or picking a back-up WK for 2 years!!!!
At least if Umar/Rizwan had been in squad, Sarfraz could have taken a break and Amir given temporary charge for the time being - now, Sarfraz has to up his game.
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Our Jazba will come out against England. Amir to get 7 wickets
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One game??lol.
We've only won 2 games against the SENA countries in the last 2 years.
Ohhhhhh...
You're being sarcastic...
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Who is going to keep then?
In the history of the game, there is a reason that Knott, Taylor, Doujon, Marsh, Kirmani, Gilchrist, ...... Strudwick was never made regular Captains. PCB made one, who doesn't even merit selection in the XI, then kept him comfortable without appointing a deputy or picking a back-up WK for 2 years!!!!
At least if Umar/Rizwan had been in squad, Sarfraz could have taken a break and Amir given temporary charge for the time being - now, Sarfraz has to up his game.
Hence why I mentioned he can be forced to take a retirement/break from cricket, if that's what it takes.
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Amir - almost a world class super star in this squad who can at least keep his head high (don't go much about useless bilateral games - it doesn't give much beyond some fuel for PP trolls). Malik, Hafeez shouldn't have been in squad for a day after 18th July 2017, while Wahab was never considered for Captaincy.
But, PAK doesn't have a back-up WK, so Sarfraz has to play and somehow find his game - his Captaincy wasn't that good ever, but at least he can show better body language than this, which isn't helping the moral of the team.
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The manner of the defeat suggest the players deliberately lost, granted the openers were unlucky.
Player power is a cancer and it's needs rooting out, if they want to play politics then I suggest they are thrown out regardless who they are.
Player power is a cancer and it's needs rooting out, if they want to play politics then I suggest they are thrown out regardless who they are.
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Rizwan is in UK as backup keeper
Yes lets show the world that we can’t compete and remove the captain after 1 game. People just don’t use their brain and give pathetic ideas.
This is your squad and till the end of worldcup these are your players. Yes they are embarrassing and displayed pathetic cricket so far changes can be done after the worldcup and who we kidding that changes will make this team better? We ll bring back those who we git rid of and the cycle continues. Unless we fix domestic and build players at grassroots level. And for that you gotta wait minimum 5-10 years... ooo welll....
This is your squad and till the end of worldcup these are your players. Yes they are embarrassing and displayed pathetic cricket so far changes can be done after the worldcup and who we kidding that changes will make this team better? We ll bring back those who we git rid of and the cycle continues. Unless we fix domestic and build players at grassroots level. And for that you gotta wait minimum 5-10 years... ooo welll....
Retirement doesn't cover for replacements - PAK'll be 14 men squad if he retires. Yea baat pahele hi shoch na chahie tha, that there is no back-up WK in the squad, when every other team has at least 2 in playing XI!!! At least, today's game won't cost him slow over-rate points.
This guy Ul Haq should be criminally convicted for bringing the situation like this after 3 years in charge - he did the same with Kamran Akmal as Captain, no back-up WK even in squad and Kamran kept adding fat around middle part of body; otherwise before 2006, he was the best prospect to replace Boucher as the next best gloves man in cricket.
If any one has to be sacked in the middle of WC, it's your CS, who doesn't deserve a dignified exit.
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Can't believe he was celebrating taking those wickets, team was bowled out for 100, your playing for your team not yourself.
Hassan needs a break.
Haris is a weak player he should have stayed with Babar but he choked.
No, he is not - you don't know the rule.
Rizwan is in UK as a back-up player which every team is carrying few in case of injury. But, PAK can't replace Sarfraz just because he is struggling - even they can't fake injury because independent medical board will scrutinize it. And, they won't get replacement even if that medical board judges that the injured player can heel up within WC duration. Most importantly, it's one way exit - once replaced, player's WC is over - they can't call him back as replacement for other player. If it was not that complicated, PCB won't have dropped their MVP MoHa from 2015 WC, for a minor foot injury.
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Sarfaraz was serving ban during series with Aus because of his racist remarks against SA.
Captaincy change will not make things better. Who is going to lead? Under Malik leadership Pakistan lost 5-0.
Who is going to keep then?
In the history of the game, there is a reason that Knott, Taylor, Doujon, Marsh, Kirmani, Gilchrist, ...... Strudwick was never made regular Captains. PCB made one, who doesn't even merit selection in the XI, then kept him comfortable without appointing a deputy or picking a back-up WK for 2 years!!!!
At least if Umar/Rizwan had been in squad, Sarfraz could have taken a break and Amir given temporary charge for the time being - now, Sarfraz has to up his game.
But but with Sarfaraz gone and the "jazba" renewed right until the start of the next match anyone from the 11 could keep!! And then we can replace the new captain after the next drubbing and so on. Typical knee jerk reaction from over enthusiastic but understandably upset fans. While I agree about Sarfaraz's utter incompetence, the time for replacing him is now gone. All we can do now is hope that he can get his act together if only for the selfish reason of his own career after the World Cup (and that should be motivation enough but I don't think he has the resolve) and rally the team. Also blaming only Sarfaraz for today's debacle is slightly unfair. Not a single batsman showed guts and/or a sense of responsibility.
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Incorrect. His ban was for 3 matches and 2 off those were played during SA series. He would have only missed first match of Aus series due to ban.
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I am blaming Haris, Sarfaraz and Imaad..
Err we have a squad of only 15, who will you play if you kick out everyone? This was probably our best combination and one we need to persist with, perhaps with the exception of bringing in Asif, although I really can't see where we can fit him without affecting the balance of the team.
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There's two names I want out for sure, Asif would have had more guts than Haris, granted he was getting peppered with bouncers he was weak.
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Sigh, these decisions can only be taken after the WC now. Too late to do anything, just go with the flow and pray that there is no demoralizing embarrassment
Don't take it that he was celebrating his wickets, rather he was just relieved that the humiliation was less. Also, he was trying to bowl out-swingers to left-handers and got Bravo caught at slip - his he was explaining to Sarfraz.
It was a shameful exercise today all together, don't think anyone should be blamed individually, neither praised. Had the scores been 305, who knows, Amir might have gone back to his shot of length rubbish.....
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] I had said it 1 year ago, Pakistan needed to sack Sarfraz and install Imam as captain. Not because Imam is a world class player but because Imam is someone who can grow into the role as he is a thinking player and someone who thrives under adversity. And doesn't regurgitate "captain coach gave confidence and played my natural game **". About time Pakistan resets itself after the World Cup and say goodbye to Sarfraz in all forms.
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What's more embarrassing than losing so convincingly to a team who had to qualify for the tournament??
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I was overconfident.
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No team will and should change captains in the middle of a series or tournament.
There was enough time to replace Sarfraz before the world cup but PCB decided to stick with him. So, whether you like it or not, you are stuck with Sarfraz until the end of this tournament.
There was enough time to replace Sarfraz before the world cup but PCB decided to stick with him. So, whether you like it or not, you are stuck with Sarfraz until the end of this tournament.
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What's the point of more drama. There is no professionalism in us. Sarfraz steps down in middle of the WC, next guy comes in and next game same result, so what you do, sack him as well. This is ridiculous thinking and add to injury, PCB announces that coach and head selector contracts won't be renewed just days before start of WC. I mean for God sake how much more of a laughing stock you want to be.
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Inshallah brother. If any team can beat England it’s the unpredictable Pakistan
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Only in Pakistan would people suggest changing a captain in the middle of a WORLD CUP!!!
Go for it if you want to be the laughing stock of the world
Go for it if you want to be the laughing stock of the world
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Lol. Pak cricket is already a laughing stock.
Obviously Amir will be the name that pops up because of his 3 wickets.
But his stats aren't that reassuring either. Coupled with consistent injury problems and a poor attitude in bilateral games, and those games that don't feature in England. I wouldn't put my money on him representing as a captain for Pakistan for a very long time.
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We are stuck with him till after the WC. He has to go after the tournament. I can't take his embarrassing statements and non performance anymore.
He'll be bigger disaster - not because he does or doesn't make the XI, neither he is sharp or thick. Because making him Captain won't change much fortune for this 3-21 model talented team- but, what'll happen is everyone and his dog will get after Inzi's nephew after every loss - that'll completely destroy the team.
It's really difficult to lead a struggling side - more for a batting Captain and even more for a batsman not really world class. PAK's best (only) option is to make a bowler Captain, who'll be out of pressure for delivering with bat under pressure. A bowling Captain can hide himself, but a batting captain will always be exposed, also a bowling Captain can make a come back - Hasan could have come back in 2nd spell (say defending 250), and take couple of wickets, his initial rubbish would have been covered, Imam or Sarfraz can't rectify their batting in this game.
There is a reason, I have mentioned many times that Amir should have been leading this squad to WC - result won't have changed much, because squad itself is poor, but at least it would given lots of flexibility. Never make a batting captain, for whom batting is weak link (now, both though, still batting gets brutally exposed, because it's measurable...).
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Safaraz's career should be over after this wc. So should hafeez, malik, fakhar, imam, haris, imad and hasan ali. I would only retain babar and amir and build a new team around them. Unfortunately, i dont know where we are going to find these new players.
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Who else to lead the team?
There is no automatic selection apart from Babar who is too inexperienced to lead the team.
It can be a disaster to make him captain. The last thing you want to do is to do something which affects his batting.
It is better to have Sarfraz than someone like Misbah for example who had the 90s psyche.
There is no automatic selection apart from Babar who is too inexperienced to lead the team.
It can be a disaster to make him captain. The last thing you want to do is to do something which affects his batting.
It is better to have Sarfraz than someone like Misbah for example who had the 90s psyche.
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Sarfraz was only banned for 2 or so matches.
He was rested from Aus series
No, not from those who can analyze the game. Amir's name was popping up even the day he was picking 3 wickets in a month - that's looking purely at the cricket without secondary considerations for a player/captain!!!
It's about the role profile (I know, Amir is a convicted fixer), personality job fit (for the team - Bumrah will be disaster as Indian Captain) and the skill set - Sarfraz doesn't have, Amir at least has some. All of his pankha bases were giving nasihat that Sarfraz's ill manners doesn't have any adverse impact (rather it's a tonic!!!) on the team's moral - will be telling that even the day one PAK player breaks a bat on someone's back, or this 0-12 runs to 0-20.
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No need for panic. It's the first game. We will most likely lose to England too - and we shoudln't panic then either. Truth is, this Windies outfit isn't that bad. Even though it's true that they barely qualified, our recent form has been shambolic too hasn't it?
There are times when Sarfaraz leads from the front - but unfortunately that's mostly during batting. In the field his plans are hit and miss. For example, when defending 102, why not have more slips in place even if the effort might be futile in the end? If we don't qualify for semis in the WC, then fine we can change him out. But I'm quietly optimistic that we will make semis! We practically start every single tournament poorly. The last time we started a tournament strong was in 2011 - where we punched above our weight due to subcontinent conditions.
Every game will be difficult but Pakistan has a few match-winners with the bat that can get us there. The teams we need to target to upset are Aus/NZ/SA - which is totally possible. Anyway.. one game at a time. The batsmen won't flop like this again except for maybe against India in the group stages.
There are times when Sarfaraz leads from the front - but unfortunately that's mostly during batting. In the field his plans are hit and miss. For example, when defending 102, why not have more slips in place even if the effort might be futile in the end? If we don't qualify for semis in the WC, then fine we can change him out. But I'm quietly optimistic that we will make semis! We practically start every single tournament poorly. The last time we started a tournament strong was in 2011 - where we punched above our weight due to subcontinent conditions.
Every game will be difficult but Pakistan has a few match-winners with the bat that can get us there. The teams we need to target to upset are Aus/NZ/SA - which is totally possible. Anyway.. one game at a time. The batsmen won't flop like this again except for maybe against India in the group stages.
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By the way, this is not to say that I like Sarfaraz. IMO he doesn't even make this team. But there are some things he can sometimes get right with this group of players as evidenced by the ICCT '17, so his track record at minimum lets me give him the benefit of doubt for this tournament. There's absolutely nothing this guy could have done today to affect a win! The entire team capitulated like a pack of cards in the only way Pakistan can 
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Absolutely horrible decision to even suggest Amir should be captain. Leaving aside the fact that he is a convicted fixer, he does not even deserve to be in the team. Can't take wickets at all. Don't get fooled by his 3 wickets today. He wouldn't be able to buy one if Pakistan bowled first.
Imam has over his short career displayed immense amounts of grit under adversity. Probably the most reliable player in the team when chips are down. Was the best player in the Asia Cup for Pakistan. Man of the Series against SA in SA. Saved Pakistan from the shameful ignominy of a test defeat against Ireland. And you think this guy can't handle pressure. His life in cricket has been under pressure.
If a captain needs to hide himself when chips are down, then that guy does not deserve to be captain. Which is exactly what Sarfraz does. I don't want another clone like Amir who will hide himself in bowling. A captain is supposed to lift the team under crisis, not hide himself. What are you even suggesting.
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Lol we don't need to panic losing to WI but we should upset a gun team and likely winners to beat in Australia?
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I think we are overhyping WI too much, i dont think they have the fitness to play consistently for 9 games. Two of the players were limping already its a long tournament and WI wont last.
Wasnt this guy saying that on their day, teams should be afraid of Pakistan? Seriously, he just looks lost in the field like a schoolboy and doesn't inspire confidence.
For players like Chris Gayle, he sets a normal field, this guy cant even think outside the box. For flashy players like Gayle, its best to have a flying slip, i think i saw two deliveries go there, not that it would've matter, we lost, but at least try to think outside the box.
For players like Chris Gayle, he sets a normal field, this guy cant even think outside the box. For flashy players like Gayle, its best to have a flying slip, i think i saw two deliveries go there, not that it would've matter, we lost, but at least try to think outside the box.
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West indies as expected bowled plenty of bouncers and short pitch. They did their homework where as we didn't..
Our bowlers especially Wahab bowled too many bouncers and gifted free runs.
Where was full length deliveries?
Not 1 youker attempted
No slow delivery.... Nothing.
I'm not surprised at the result.
Our batting simply could not handle the short pitch balls. Which I predicted in my earlier post were going to be unleashed.
Our bowlers especially Wahab bowled too many bouncers and gifted free runs.
Where was full length deliveries?
Not 1 youker attempted
No slow delivery.... Nothing.
I'm not surprised at the result.
Our batting simply could not handle the short pitch balls. Which I predicted in my earlier post were going to be unleashed.
Why the answer for every failure is sarfraz in this group
I am also frustrated with his batting and captaincy but you can't put the blame on sarfraz solely
The planning of Inzamam and management needs to be asked also when teams were preparing for world cup they were looking at 2 proper batsman all 4-5 players who can hit the boundaries at will and here we are not a single batsman who can hit at their will but no all problem is sarfraz
The problem for this group is they trained themselves for round about 300 score but modern cricket has gone to 350+ as save score so in order to achieve this they play shots and lose their wickets
There is no need to panic now just play like you used to and give the bowlers at least 250+ even if their lose they can have something to bowl at
Stop doing this change captaincy drama after every match as if some flaming is waiting in our team to take over
I am also frustrated with his batting and captaincy but you can't put the blame on sarfraz solely
The planning of Inzamam and management needs to be asked also when teams were preparing for world cup they were looking at 2 proper batsman all 4-5 players who can hit the boundaries at will and here we are not a single batsman who can hit at their will but no all problem is sarfraz
The problem for this group is they trained themselves for round about 300 score but modern cricket has gone to 350+ as save score so in order to achieve this they play shots and lose their wickets
There is no need to panic now just play like you used to and give the bowlers at least 250+ even if their lose they can have something to bowl at
Stop doing this change captaincy drama after every match as if some flaming is waiting in our team to take over
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Useless thread as like OP's other posts in the forum. No solution and the tournament has just started. Going by this logic Imran Khan would have thrown in the towel in 1992 and i thinking people were out for Sarfraz's head after CT17 first defeat against India as well..
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The sadness and madness brings back the memories of the first game vs Ind in CT 17. Hoping, Sarfaraz and boys pick up the game and prove all of us wrong. Can’t slide more further, the only way is up now.
Everyone will be sacked anyway if we crash out like minnows.
Everyone will be sacked anyway if we crash out like minnows.
Absolutely horrible decision to even suggest Amir should be captain. Leaving aside the fact that he is a convicted fixer, he does not even deserve to be in the team. Can't take wickets at all. Don't get fooled by his 3 wickets today. He wouldn't be able to buy one if Pakistan bowled first.
Imam has over his short career displayed immense amounts of grit under adversity. Probably the most reliable player in the team when chips are down. Was the best player in the Asia Cup for Pakistan. Man of the Series against SA in SA. Saved Pakistan from the shameful ignominy of a test defeat against Ireland. And you think this guy can't handle pressure. His life in cricket has been under pressure.
If a captain needs to hide himself when chips are down, then that guy does not deserve to be captain. Which is exactly what Sarfraz does. I don't want another clone like Amir who will hide himself in bowling. A captain is supposed to lift the team under crisis, not hide himself. What are you even suggesting.
I am suggesting with perfectly sane head, cool mind and still early morning - Ramadan hasn't taken it's effect yet. I have seen PAK cricket more than most here - and don't think I have exposed myself with too many "expert predictions" in PP, that back fired. Batsman Captain is not for you - even Javed, Zaheer, Saeed, Hanif were failure - this kid Imam would do better to spell those names properly. There is a reason that top 5-6 PAK Captains are all bowlers at at least all-rounders.
You mis understood the word "hide" - even Imran, Marshall had bad spells. For a bowling Captain, one can take himself off, relax, rethink tactics and come back for 2nd spell - that doesn't happen for a batsman. Hiding doesn't mean the bowler has to bowl less, rather he can plan his game better than batsman. Unpopular example - check the MINNOW Captain Mashrafee, he hardly misses bowling 10 overs, but exactly knows when he needs to back off and when to make up.
Imam is not the most reliable player, he is the most selfish player - but, he makes this squad on merit (which tells better about both team & player - this time I'll remind that for a MINNOW, another couple of lefti opens and PAK's two won't make further beyond the BENCH there). Making him Captain will only make things worse, because he'll use his Captaincy to safe guard his position, by picking "own" people - every batting Captain will do that for a struggling side, that's the learning from history... and that's not only in PAK. My hunch is, if he is made Captain - first thing he'll do is drop down to No. 3 or 4 .....
No, I don't think this guy can handle pressure - in that case he won't have foul mouthed everyone, who questions his selection (By all God's mercy - that was a blunt nepotism, doesn't mean what he has done since). On contrary, I'll say he is more vulnerable .... another "prediction" - let Chachu booted out, you'll see Imam's tougher side. It's easier for someone when after absolutely owned by opening bowers, CS tells that the batsman can be replaced if he fails in future ..... MoHa enjoyed the same luxury with out having an uncle - 18 years and counting, he is there with his 3 facets. If you keep giving chances to a player unconditionally for series after series, one such SAF tour can happen. It happened for Imam at first try and he had Chachu to cash on that (after SAF, his 3 innings against AUS reserves were a treat to watch) ... long back some Taufique Umar had a bigger SAF tour, but he didn't have Cachu to cash on that one tour for long.
Amir is a fixer, which unfortunately is not a monopoly to only him as PAK player ..... if appointed Captain, won't be either as Captain as well. Leave those excuses - team is sinking FAST, and you need a change - but change doesn't mean you replace Maruti with a Lada .....
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I disliked him because we were playing an old brand of cricket and he was ultra conservative. Also not to forget his preference for seniors over youngsters in the side and his reluctance for firepower at the top of the order, but you're absolutely right he had far more guts than Sarfraz. Unlike him, he carried himself admirably off the field. It seems Sarfraz was just fortunate to have Fakhar and Hasan Ali in the form of their lives 2 years ago during the CT.
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Excellent Post and very well written. I agree 200 %
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As mentioned in the above post, Sarfraz was just fortunate to have Fakhar and Hasan Ali in their form of their lives during that tournament.
Your posts are just as pathetic to all those who blind follow Sarfraz. Even if he lost all 9 games in this WC, you would still defend him. That's my definition of a "useless" poster.
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From:
"It is not defeat that destroys you, it is being demoralized by defeat that destroy you" - Imran Khan
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“Fakhar plays pathano wale shots” - Sarfraz Ahmad
"It is not defeat that destroys you, it is being demoralized by defeat that destroy you" - Imran Khan
To:
“Fakhar plays pathano wale shots” - Sarfraz Ahmad
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The team is clearly not responding to him. He needs to stop making dumb excuses and accept his team is not doing enough to be competitive right now.
changing captain will not make a big difference i am afraid, we saw that when we made Malik captain.
the good thing of a disatrous world cup campaign, is that it may pave the way for Imran Khan to make his reforms to the pcb , and reforms of the structure is exactly what is needed.
the good thing of a disatrous world cup campaign, is that it may pave the way for Imran Khan to make his reforms to the pcb , and reforms of the structure is exactly what is needed.
So, if he was “lucky” to have Fakhar and Hasan in the form of their life, would you say he’s unlucky to have 10 players who struggled to perform today? Or unlucky that team’s inexperienced pace attack and dropped catches in the England series was a big reason for 4-0?
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Your criticism of Imam is unwarranted. He did perform in Asia cup, South Africa, and England. 2-3 failures against Australia do not mean a thing when he has been mostly successful.
Aamir barely makes the team and now all of a sudden he's the candidate for future captaincy? What a joke. A player must make the team 100% on merit first. Aamir has a criminal record, poor fitness, lack of fire in the belly, and bare minimum performance. Since, his comeback, his only noteworthy performance has been the CT fluke when Pakistan had already posted 330+. Even, his batting has regressed. He must be the most hyped cricketer with little substance in the last 50 years of cricket. On, what basis should he be made captain? So, he can go back to bowling rubbish?
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Misbah has won most tests for Pakistan as captain. He's a batsman. This notion that Pakistan can only do well if it has a bowling captain is absolutely ridiculous.
We can just agree to disagree. You have your opinions formed of Imam so I understand your disdain of even accepting the notion that he can become captain.
If imam decides to drop himself to number 4 in test cricket, it'll be for the better since he's probably the best batter in the team right now in Tests. So yeah he should bat at number 4 totally. Much better than Haris Sohail. And by the way I'm curious to learn who are Imams "own people"?
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If fakhar and hasan perform like they did in CT we will win this wc. Both were unknown quantities who hit a purple patch at the same time. Unfortunately, both of there purple patch is long gone and people have now studied them!
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Plus I'm not suggesting that when Imam becomes captain, Pakistan will magically start winning games. This is an extremely mediocre bunch of cricketers and it will take time for Pakistan to climb back up the rankings. Which is why I deliberately said he will grow into the role. Sarfraz never grew. He still captains like he probably did in Nazimabad, Karachi. But at the very least a smart captain will extract something from even mediocre players. Sarfraz is useless. Amir more so.
But, is Misbah among top few Captains? Once Malik won 12 ODI's at one go and WY still has one of the better W/L record, Javed as well .... Also, you have missed the whole point - Misbah did well as batting Captain, because he had a very settled batting unit for his fortress......
By "own" people, you need to see Misbah & before him Inzi's squad - in short, players that are trusted & reliable ..... for their loyalty, won't back stab, and neither ambitious. For example, Afridi had a tango with most of his Captains since Akram & Inzi .... because he was "ambitious".
After reading the bold line, I am scared to teach you something - won't dare this time.
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How many times do you think Sarfraz says *Definitely* when asked a question? Anyone know the average based on number of pre/post match interview?
He could fall into the trap - a reporter/commentator could ask him if he believes his position is untenable - swiftly responds with *definitely*.
He could fall into the trap - a reporter/commentator could ask him if he believes his position is untenable - swiftly responds with *definitely*.
Yes, Fakhar and Hasan had awesome performances throughout the CT win, especially Hasan’s wickets during middle overs to break open partnerships and Fakhar’s hundred in the final.
I’m just trying to make a point regarding what OP stated above, pretty much stating that he was lucky that we won a major tournament because we had players in their purple patch. However, now that the team is losing and almost all of the players had an off day. Why not pin it down to players having an off day and “luck” again instead of calling for his head, It’s a team sport after. If players “form” gets credit for the victories shouldn’t it be vice versa?
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Ironic ppers putting all this on Sarfraz what can he bat should be bat for all 11 players Imam Babar Fakhar hafeez all are playing as specialist batsman they all failed in their collective role thats it these specialist batsman failed to cope with short ball is it Sarfraz's fault give Sarfeaz a platform like 170/3 after 30 overs and whole scenario will change
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If this would have been true, no board would ever have changed their captain, coach etc in case of non performing team as according to the logic its not their fault that that players are doing badly.
In my opinion if you are given a job and you are failing in that then there are no arguments left. Sarfaraz is supposed to lead his team to victories with tactics, planning, his own performances and by inspiring others. He has failed miserable in that role for almost last two years so he deserves every bit of criticism.
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One of Windies and Pakistan will make the semies - that's just how I feel. In big tournaments consistency isn't always important. You just need a few players to perform in the games that really matter - both Pakistan & West Indies have those kind of players. Australia is a good team but I think our bowlers can do a number on them!
You missed the point, all I’m trying to say is, if he’s not doing a good job right now, yes, he’s not succeeding at his job, understandable. So, fans want him sacked understandably so but why label his accomplishments down to luck and not him being good at his job?
Stating he’s incompetent if he fails to perform his job well but “lucky” during the times he’s performed his job well.
That’s the logic I’m trying to understand.
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The first and foremost criteria of appointing a captain is that he should make the team on 100% merit and be in the right age bracket where he can potentially lead the side for many, many years. When you look at this Pakistan team, it eventually narrows down to Babar and Imam. Some will argue about Fakhar, but his batting is a lottery and he is already 30. He may not necessarily be in the team in 2023, but Babar and Imam will unless something bizarre happens.
Few months ago, I had no doubt in my mind that Babar should be the next captain, but Imam has emerged as a serious contender as well. He might be a better option because he appears to be a mentally tougher character.
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Well Imam can somewhat speak english but babar can't so...
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I just cannot comprehend why Sarfaraz never tried spinners against WI who are known to be weak against spin bowling
It boggles my mind
It boggles my mind
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Sarfi will cop flak as captain but whole team is a mess right now from top to bottom. Only thing we can do now is back the team and hope there is a massive turnaround. Sarf needs to get his guys and himself showing some fight at least. Today, was just a capitulation and that's unacceptable.
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