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Should Shadab Khan be picked for the 1st Test against England at Lord's?

Should Shadab Khan be picked for the 1st Test against England at Lord's?

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Has he done enough in the warm-ups? Would it be a problem if he does not do well against Ireland? Is he ready for Test cricket (he has debuted in West Indies)
 
Yes, Not only because he is spinner but is a handy batsman. He may score more than a top order batsman during this series.

I wouldn't picked him if there was any other choice of spinner
 
Both our all rounders Shadab and Fahim are looking better than our frontline bowlers atm
 
Bit of a gamble, but if he plays to his potential, can definitely hurt England.
 
So far, he's been our only wicket taking threat this tour.
 
Yes of course We need a 5 man bowling option and hes handy with the bat
 
You kidding? A spinner should always be in a Pakistani team - regardless of conditions.

He is going to bowl 80 overs a game looks like :)
 
Yes he should. The only way he is going to improve his bowling is by playing first class cricket. Too much T20 cricket could affect his bowling as he will dart the ball instead of fighting the ball and learning to vary his pace .

Sarfraz at 6, Faheem at 7,Shadab at 8 , and then 3 seamers.
 
Issue was that a lot of experts felt he wasnt ready for Tests and also spin wont come into play in early summer
 
Yes he will be our trump card against England in the Lords test.
 
Yes. You always need a front line spinner unless pitch is a green mamba or you have got a very good seam attack, neither of which apply here.
 
Yes, he should.

A great opportunity for him to learn and establish in team.

Last time we won thanks to Shah's Herculean effort.

Can Shadab replicate it?
 
For me, he should always be first choice in away tours, even local, he should be second spinner. He turns both way, not something Yasir can do. It may not give you result in first 5/7 tests, but that's a long term investment... Yasir was failed badly in AUS/NZ tours...Not to mention, if Shadab was second spinner in last UAE series, we would not have lost either test...

Shadab and Faheem gives Pakistan lot of flexibility, Pakistan can play with five bowlers and attack all the time, well you need five bowlers in west. ENG/SA tours need 5 bowlers to win test. Bonus is down order batsmen play vital roll. They can play 30-50 runs knock specially if playing on sunnyish conditions from 40-80 overs, that's why you want to bat deep in west. Sarfraz, Shadab, Faheem, Amir, Hasan all can bat, that makes up for extra batsman... Five bowlers generally mean you will be raining in the total by 40/50 runs and will be fresher in second innings and through out the tour.
 
^ Also all this talk of T20 is not entirely accurate. In modern age wrist spinners in T20 has to be pin point accurate and that to from ball number 1. Look at Rashid Khan and Majeeb, they are probably the best spinners in the world in any format, but don't play first class or test. Do you really think top 8 test nations would not want to have them in their test team?? - Its up to the players how they adopt and evolve their game...
 
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No, but that's because the conditions are likely to be seamer friendly.

Slow/flatter pitch, he should play. He might end up being a brilliant cricketer, but he hasn't warranted selection regardless of conditions. 6 against div 2's own weaker side is nothing to be too excited about.
 
still don't get why this is even in question

of the bowlers selected, who are the best wicket takers - I would say; worst case Shadab is #3 after Hasan Ali and Amir

thats not even factoring in the likely flat Lord's wicket, or Shadab's batting prowess

Shadab will probably be one of the first names to be put in the playing 11
 
Yeah. You need a spinner to add an extra dimension, and give rest to the bowlers. People thought Yasir wouldn't do anything and sure there were times when he was poor, but when it mattered he was our matchwinning bowler in UK.

Plus Shadab can bat, so we wouldn't have a no.8 who can't hold a bat.
 
No. Spinners will not be effective and he's not a containing bowler. Better to go with 3 pacers and Faheem.
 
All depends on the weather, Northants type weather will be fine for him
 
He is the best performer so far and should be automatic choice. Drop Amir and Fahim and get Hasan and Saad/Usman.
 
I think we should go in with four fast bowlers and shadab as the all rounder.

We don’t want to over work shadab like Yasir at such an early stage in his career.
 
No. He's taken wickets in the Northants game because the ball was spinning a lot. I'm not sure that would be the case at Lords. Once it doesn't spin for Shadab, he's cannon fodder as he can't control his line and length and tries too many variations in one over. Will he be able to contain himself for 10 overs without bowling a googly? I doubt it.

In these conditions, Pakistan needs their fast bowlers to be picking up at least 7-8 wickets in an innings every time while the spinner has to take on a stock bowler role. And if our new ball bowlers aren't up to the task of getting early wickets, Shadab goes for aplenty.

But at the moment, the bigger decision should be to drop Amir for the first test. Shadab's problems are far lesser compared to Amir's. Amir's bowling and fielding is a HUGE problem for Pakistan and that is a liability the team cannot afford. Cook is slowly getting into form and if you don't snare him early on the piece, he will absolutely milk Shadab all around the ground and score a daddy hundred.
 
Shadab Khan ends up with 10 for 157! Brilliant effor
 
shariqnoor said:
No. He's taken wickets in the Northants game because the ball was spinning a lot. I'm not sure that would be the case at Lords. Once it doesn't spin for Shadab, he's cannon fodder as he can't control his line and length and tries too many variations in one over. Will he be able to contain himself for 10 overs without bowling a googly? I doubt it.

In these conditions, Pakistan needs their fast bowlers to be picking up at least 7-8 wickets in an innings every time while the spinner has to take on a stock bowler role. And if our new ball bowlers aren't up to the task of getting early wickets, Shadab goes for aplenty.

But at the moment, the bigger decision should be to drop Amir for the first test. Shadab's problems are far lesser compared to Amir's. Amir's bowling and fielding is a HUGE problem for Pakistan and that is a liability the team cannot afford. Cook is slowly getting into form and if you don't snare him early on the piece, he will absolutely milk Shadab all around the ground and score a daddy hundred.
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And last time Yasir played at lords he won us the match.
 
Lords will be flat and dry.

The new drainage system has taken away the slope.

Shadab should definitely play if not for anything his batting will be helpful.
 
Shafi said:
He is the best performer so far and should be automatic choice. Drop Amir and Fahim and get Hasan and Saad/Usman.
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I think Hasan should play, and I agree Fahim should be dropped for one of Saad or Usman. Usman should probably play as he's been hanging around with team squads/contention for a long time now, he probably deserves a shot before Saad. Even though I suspect Saad's the bigger talent, working with the trainers with the international squad should have prepared Usman more.

I think we have to play Amir, his experience is important given our test bowling attack is so raw. He's not been giving away too many runs either, with suggests he can keep the runs down and I suspect as usual he's probably bowling within himself in the warm ups.

I don't think Rahat should start. He did nothing in the first game, took 2 wickets in the second but went at over 4 an over. Rahat's low on experience, little international success. I just don't think it's worth the potential liability. Amir will at least keep things tight and create pressure. If we choose to play Hasan in addition, Hasan's also a bowler similar to Rahat who will get hit when things aren't going his way. Would be a disaster if both Hasan and rahat were getting tonked, there'd be no control of pressure.
 
10 wickets against Northampton and he should be picked versus Ireland.

I guess Lord's depends on how he does against Ireland in the one-off Test.
 
Lol. He is the only wicket taker in the team. Rest of the bowlers are more like support bowlers.
 
Lefthanded said:
No, but that's because the conditions are likely to be seamer friendly.

Slow/flatter pitch, he should play. He might end up being a brilliant cricketer, but he hasn't warranted selection regardless of conditions. 6 against div 2's own weaker side is nothing to be too excited about.
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Lord’s these days is very slow on day 4 and 5 because of drainage
 
Saj said:
10 wickets against Northampton and he should be picked versus Ireland.

I guess Lord's depends on how he does against Ireland in the one-off Test.
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Remember lords 2000 when we didn’t pick saqlain and went with an all pace attack including Wasim and a returning from injury Shohaib. Lost by a wide margin. Lords is slow on day 4 and 5 so a spinner would be very useful then. Only slight issue is that shadab lacks control for tests but I’m not sure how much he’s developed since his debut
 
Absolutely. He or Fahim should play every game depending on the pitch. Not both
 
Having second thoughts after listening to reports that Lord's will be dry. He can be the mystery weapon after Ajmal and Yasir's departure. Pakistani spinners have always tormented English batsmen.
 
Abid Z said:
Remember lords 2000 when we didn’t pick saqlain and went with an all pace attack including Wasim and a returning from injury Shohaib. Lost by a wide margin. Lords is slow on day 4 and 5 so a spinner would be very useful then. Only slight issue is that shadab lacks control for tests but I’m not sure how much he’s developed since his debut
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True. Also with some of the pacers not looking in the best of form, Shadab could provide the much-neeed X factor and most of the English players won't have seen much of him.
 
After his last showing he is definitely in. Eng players still seem to be struggling against good spinners.

Also the fact that we will probably play 4 bowlers in the end and a spinner can bowl a lot in a day.
 
MenInG said:
All depends on the weather, Northants type weather will be fine for him
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Depends on if Lords groundsmen is in charitable mood and we get an Asian style wicket we got last time we toured.
 
Wonder what he can do in Ireland? If he does well in those conditions then he could be a handful later
 
His batting today showed he can be an asset with both bat and ball!
 
Weather looking good for London for Lord's game so am guessing he will have a big role to play

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I know it would be hard on him but we can drop faheem to get saad ali or usman and let azhar and harris share shadabs workload
 
Shadab should definitely play, he's a good spinner and a handy batsman.. Hassan Ali should come in for Rahat Ali, RA was below average against Ireland.
 
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I know it would be hard on him but we can drop faheem to get saad ali or usman and let azhar and harris share shadabs workload
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With no match practice I'm not sure for certain whether saad/usman would score more than faheem and we can not rely on amir and hasan in a 4 man attack not to break down
 
I think Shadab and Faheem must be played in every game just because of the depth they bring to our batting lineup. Handy with the ball as well.
 
I think Mickey wants Shadab to be a permanent fixture in Tests.

Not sure where that leaves Yasir, when he returns.
 
Weather good in Leics game and inexperienced batsmen facing him so expect him to bag a good number of wickets in this game.
 
With the weather turning for the better and Shadab's decent performances in the warm-ups and against Ireland, he's got to be a certainty for selection now at Lord's.
 
Pakistan has always produced great Test spinners. But not that many great Test pacers.
 
Heating up in London this week so hopefully conditions more akin to late June/July so Shadab has to play...
 
Saj said:
With the weather turning for the better and Shadab's decent performances in the warm-ups and against Ireland, he's got to be a certainty for selection now at Lord's.
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Should be a handful for England batsmen!
 
In such a short period of time, our views of him have changed. We were so against him being in Test squad but he has proved us wrong, but only against Ireland and County teams. England is the real test for him, we all know he is going to play, let's see how he does.
 
Think it was inevitable after the tour match v Northants.
 
This will be a tough lesson for him - just needs patience.
 
Appears to be more consistent and giving better flight. Slowed it down considerably
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Most 19 year olds:<br>Studying<br>Chilling with friends<br>Partying<br><br>Shadab Khan: <br>Playing for his country in all 3 formats <br>One of the rising stars of international cricket<br>Scoring a 50 at the home of cricket<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EngvPak?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EngvPak</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1000062335829016577?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Didn't bowl well but that 50 could prove the difference!
 
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