Should sub-continental teams stop inviting Australia?

[Savak]

This is actually in response to Ian Chappel's comments when Pakistan toured Australia in 2016-17, i cannot remember the last time Australia was anywhere near competitive in the Subcontinent in countries like India, Sri Lanka and now in the UAE.

 

[angrypathan]

Australia won and drew a test on their last tour to India and just drew the previous test here in the UAE, far more competitive than Pakistan who have been blanked 3-0 in their last 4 series on Australian soil.

 

[Ahmed216]

Australia won and drew a test on their last tour to India and just drew the previous test here in the UAE, far more competitive than Pakistan who have been blanked 3-0 in their last 4 series on Australian soil.

Langer and umpires cheated in hobart 1999.
Yes we accept pak has played poorly in Aus. But Aus plays in sub-continent after every year or two. They should have improved by now. The same bunch fails every time. May be they just cant learn or adapt

 

[navin]

This is actually in response to Ian Chappel's comments when Pakistan toured Australia in 2016-17, i cannot remember the last time Australia was anywhere near competitive in the Subcontinent in countries like India, Sri Lanka and now in the UAE.

If Aussies don't tour Pakistan, then all subcontinent teams should boycott Australia. What kind of logic is that? It's Pakistan's and Pakistan's problem alone and it is Pakistan that should boycott Australia if they want rather than the whole subcontinent.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Australia is at a complete low these days. Missing two of their best batsmen, Smith and Warner. Still they drew the last test against Pakistan. Sub continent teams even in their heyday (barring India here and there) could hardly put up a fight in Australia.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Australia have been competitive in Asia, while subcontinent teama gets blown away consistently.

 

[Balthazar]

And why should India stop inviting Australia? That doesn't make any sense. A good amount of revenue comes from Australia series for BCCI and their team did compete well last time they were in India.

Australia in UAE are a lot better than Pakistan in Australia.

 

[Hawkeye]

How many times a sub continent team have won Tests in Australia? or South Africa?

NONE. ZERO. IN ENTIRE HISTORY.

How many times Australia has won Tests in Asia? Quite a few.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Australia have been competitive in Asia, while subcontinent teama gets blown away consistently.

India drew 1-1 in 2003-04, lost a well fought series 1-2 in 2007-08

Pakistan also had opportunities to register win. They have been choking forever in Australia like Indians in England.

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

i cannot remember the last time Australia was anywhere near competitive in the Subcontinent in countries like India, Sri Lanka and now in the UAE.

You must not have a good memory then because Australia almost won the series in India last year. Extremely close series which was only decided in the second innings of the last test when Australia collapsed.

 

[Sarwar89]

Legendary Mark Taylor's Team won Test Series in Pakistan 1998.
Steven Waugh Team won Test Series against Pakistan in Srilanka/UAE In 2002.

 

[Sarwar89]

India drew 1-1 in 2003-04, lost a well fought series 1-2 in 2007-08

Pakistan also had opportunities to register win. They have been choking forever in Australia like Indians in England.

That 2003/04 series did not feature Shane Warne and Mcgrath.

 

[WengerOut]

Pakistan fans were complaining about lesser matches at home and now they want to stop Australia from touring. I am confused

 

[WengerOut]

That 2003/04 series did not feature Shane Warne and Mcgrath.

Australias successful 2004 tour did not have Sachin until last test and by then series had lost. India won the last test with Sachin scoring a valuable 50 in the second innings on Mumbai turner.

2001 series did not have Kumble and Srinath if I am not wrong.

 

[Ali_Pakistan]

Talks of not inviting a particular team to particular countries is just stupid. If you are not inviting teams then where will be cricket matches as on this criteria most teams might not be invited and involved in the series with each other.

 

[lonex]

If Aussies don't tour Pakistan, then all subcontinent teams should boycott Australia. What kind of logic is that? It's Pakistan's and Pakistan's problem alone and it is Pakistan that should boycott Australia if they want rather than the whole subcontinent.

Did you read what OP said ? I am really curious how you came to this conclusion that anyone should boycott Ausies?

 

[navin]

Did you read what OP said ? I am really curious how you came to this conclusion that anyone should boycott Ausies?

Stop inviting very much means boycotting someone. Why would anyone else stop inviting Australia because of Pakistan? It doesn't make any sense.

 

[Buffet]

Aus was very good in last series in Ind. Aus also won test series in SL in 2010s. Aus lasted 140 overs in 4th inning to save the last test in UAE.

 

[goran]

The OP is only reciprocating Ian Chappell's comments he made when PAK toured AUS last time. There is no need to get riled up.

 

[Buffet]

The OP is only reciprocating Ian Chappell's comments he made when PAK toured AUS last time. There is no need to get riled up.

But basis for such reciprocal comments should be Aus getting whitewashed 5-6 times one after another in Asia. That's not true right now.

 

[Savak]

Australia plays in the subcontinent more frequently than Pakistan tours Australia so my sentiments are valid.

 

[jnaveen1980]

To be fair they are missing key batsmen. Their team is under new leadership. They are still recovering from the shock. As Warne said this is the worst Australian batting line up in a very very long time.

 

[Napa]

This is actually in response to Ian Chappel's comments when Pakistan toured Australia in 2016-17, i cannot remember the last time Australia was anywhere near competitive in the Subcontinent in countries like India, Sri Lanka and now in the UAE.

Australia won and drew a test on their last tour to India and just drew the previous test here in the UAE, far more competitive than Pakistan who have been blanked 3-0 in their last 4 series on Australian soil.

You don't have to go back very far to find a series when Australia dominated Pakistan in Asia. In the 2002 Australia blanked Pakistan 3-0 in SL and UAE.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/60732.html

This series included the memorable innings by Hayden when his 119 outscored Pakistan's combined total of 102 from both innings (59 and 53). I wonder if this was the only time in Test cricket this has happened?

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[gazza619]

How many times a sub continent team have won Tests in Australia? or South Africa?

NONE. ZERO. IN ENTIRE HISTORY.

How many times Australia has won Tests in Asia? Quite a few.

Fair point. And guess what, the subcontinent teams still can only dream to beat Australia in Australia even though they are at their weakest.

 

[MMHS]

You don't have to go back very far to find a series when Australia dominated Pakistan in Asia. In the 2002 Australia blanked Pakistan 3-0 in SL and UAE.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/60732.html

This series included the memorable innings by Hayden when his 119 outscored Pakistan's combined total of 102 from both innings (59 and 53). I wonder if this was the only time in Test cricket this has happened?

[MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION] [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

May be in 19th century when some Tests were producing <500 runs in total, but in recent memory can't recall. Have to check some series between SAF/WIN vs Bradman's AUS when Bradman used to score like 250; AUS-NZ in 1946 and may be IND AUS/ENG in late 1940s, early 50s and NZ in ENG in 1958 ...

..... but definitely can't recall between 2 established sides.

 

[MMHS]

I think, Ian Chappel's comment was foolish after their Asian show of IND (twice, winning all 6 tosses), UAE & SRL; but since then they have done reasonably well in Asia. I am sure this time Asian teams will also do reasonably better in AUS (PAK can't do worse since when Apple & BlackBerry were only fruits for sure) and going forward, this gap will reduce significantly - AUS'll be poor in Asia, but Asian team's will be competitive in AUS - that's cricket's future.

 

[Last Monetarist]

May be in 19th century when some Tests were producing <500 runs in total, but in recent memory can't recall. Have to check some series between SAF/WIN vs Bradman's AUS when Bradman used to score like 250; AUS-NZ in 1946 and may be IND AUS/ENG in late 1940s, early 50s and NZ in ENG in 1958 ...

..... but definitely can't recall between 2 established sides.

En fait, it happened twice in 2002, both matches involving Pakistan remarkably. You may recall the Lahore test in May where Inzi scored 329, followed up by 73 and 246 all out by New Zealand.

 

[MMHS]

En fait, it happened twice in 2002, both matches involving Pakistan remarkably. You may recall the Lahore test in May where Inzi scored 329, followed up by 73 and 246 all out by New Zealand.

Great find, I totally forgot that innings.

 

[MMHS]

En fait, it happened twice in 2002, both matches involving Pakistan remarkably. You may recall the Lahore test in May where Inzi scored 329, followed up by 73 and 246 all out by New Zealand.

Now, I can recall Hutton's 364 game was also like this - Poms won by Innings & 579 runs after scoring 903 or so - take out 579, AUS's combined total is less than 364.

 

[MMHS]

Now, I can recall Hutton's 364 game was also like this - Poms won by Innings & 579 runs after scoring 903 or so - take out 579, AUS's combined total is less than 364.

However, Bradman didn't bat in that Test in either innings.

 

[DRsohail]

I think, Ian Chappel's comment was foolish after their Asian show of IND (twice, winning all 6 tosses), UAE & SRL; but since then they have done reasonably well in Asia. I am sure this time Asian teams will also do reasonably better in AUS (PAK can't do worse since when Apple & BlackBerry were only fruits for sure) and going forward, this gap will reduce significantly - AUS'll be poor in Asia, but Asian team's will be competitive in AUS - that's cricket's future.

india can be better but no way pak, Bangladesh or srilanka will be better in near future.

 

[Ozeirk]

Indian fans here are trying to portray the Indian team as a team that regularly wins in Australia. Lol If you look at the last 3 to 4 series they played in Australia they have lost by a margin of 2 tests or more. How are they comparing Pakistan's performance in England to theirs in Australia when Pakistan has actually drawn their series last two times they visited England.

 

[Napa]

Indian fans here are trying to portray the Indian team as a team that regularly wins in Australia. Lol If you look at the last 3 to 4 series they played in Australia they have lost by a margin of 2 tests or more. How are they comparing Pakistan's performance in England to theirs in Australia when Pakistan has actually drawn their series last two times they visited England.

Who are these mysterious Indian fans who have been "comparing Pakistan's performance in England to theirs in Australia"? Pray tell.

I hope you understand the difference between the following:

"comparing Pakistan's performance in England to India's in Australia"

"comparing India's performance in England to Pakistan's in Australia"

 

[Ozeirk]

Who are these mysterious Indian fans who have been "comparing Pakistan's performance in England to theirs in Australia"? Pray tell.

I hope you understand the difference between the following:

"comparing Pakistan's performance in England to India's in Australia"

"comparing India's performance in England to Pakistan's in Australia"

You cannot compare one without the other. Pakistan has always been a better team in SENA countries historically and that trend is not going to change in the future. Indian batsmen who beat teams at home by preparing similar types on wickets for each and every test match fail to perform when they go to these countries. Pakistan on the other hand despite all the mishaps, spot fixing allegations, dropped catches etc always perform better in these countries.

When Australia and Westindies were no. 1 teams in test they were winning matches all over but this Indian team cannot win in SENA countries if their lives depended on it.

 

[Buffet]

india can be better but no way pak, Bangladesh or srilanka will be better in near future.

Pakistan has to avoid getting whitewashed in Aus to do better than last 3-4 Pakistani teams. All they have to do is to draw one test. Why do you think this can't be done by Pakistan. I would think it's possible.

 

[Ozeirk]

india can be better but no way pak, Bangladesh or srilanka will be better in near future.

What basis have you made this conclusion?

Australia isn't producing the great players of the past anymore. This can be blamed on the rise of t20 cricket perhaps. The Australian fort will be conquered and will not be surprised if the newer generation of Pakistan players like Fakhar, Babar, Abbas are able to achieve that.

 

[Sidilicious]

You cannot compare one without the other. Pakistan has always been a better team in SENA countries historically and that trend is not going to change in the future. Indian batsmen who beat teams at home by preparing similar types on wickets for each and every test match fail to perform when they go to these countries. Pakistan on the other hand despite all the mishaps, spot fixing allegations, dropped catches etc always perform better in these countries.

When Australia and Westindies were no. 1 teams in test they were winning matches all over but this Indian team cannot win in SENA countries if their lives depended on it.

How many series win for Pakistan in SENAW? And the same for India?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Right now Aussies are a poor touring side and pakistan should be looking to beat them any time they your UAE so lets invite them more as we are unlikely to beat to many othersides right now.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

India and Pakistan should first try to win a series in Australia only then they can talk about not inviting Australia.

 

[Napa]

You cannot compare one without the other. Pakistan has always been a better team in SENA countries historically and that trend is not going to change in the future. Indian batsmen who beat teams at home by preparing similar types on wickets for each and every test match fail to perform when they go to these countries. Pakistan on the other hand despite all the mishaps, spot fixing allegations, dropped catches etc always perform better in these countries.

When Australia and Westindies were no. 1 teams in test they were winning matches all over but this Indian team cannot win in SENA countries if their lives depended on it.

So basically, rather than answering the question, or even better admitting you were wrong, you go on a long rant about how Pakistan has been a better team in SENA countries "historically".

Even your attempt at evasion is ridiculous. Pakistan has lost 12 out of the last 12 Tests it has played in Australia.

 

[MMHS]

india can be better but no way pak, Bangladesh or srilanka will be better in near future.

AUS's basket seems to be getting worse every day. Never I thought that I'll see an AUS Test team that has Holland bowling spin & Marsh bros holding No. 3 & No. 4 spot. Their younger players are really not catching up - may be AUS will come back strongly in few years time. Also, one of the main reason for AUS's home dominance against Asian sides was their typical wicket, where you are often 2-0 down in 6-7 days at Gabba & WACA; but that's changing as well - PAK choked in crucial times other wise last series could have been 2-0 to AUS or even 2-1. Had PAK not picked an attack of "Official" 30+ pacers who started to huff & puff from 2nd spell, last series could have been much, much tighter. Also, now I do know how AUS cleaned PAK's 2nd innings at MCG - they won't be able to do that next time so clinically.

Long shot for SRL & BD indeed, but just 5-6 years back, I don't think anyone would have believed BD can beat AUS in a Test even at home in near future.

 

[Hasan123]

Australia have competed well in Asia recently. We can't even draw a game in Australia. They could ask us the same question.

 

[DRsohail]

What basis have you made this conclusion?

Australia isn't producing the great players of the past anymore. This can be blamed on the rise of t20 cricket perhaps. The Australian fort will be conquered and will not be surprised if the newer generation of Pakistan players like Fakhar, Babar, Abbas are able to achieve that.

i made it because Pakistan and srilanka are going down even at faster rate though Bangladesh is improving but they have long way to go.

 

[Savak]

Australia have competed well in Asia recently. We can't even draw a game in Australia. They could ask us the same question.

They should invite us every 2-3 years rather than 5-6 years for a fair comparison.

 

[BDfanforever]

Good quality Test Cricket is coming to its slow but expected end.

Aus also lost Test match against BD. I mean when do we ever win a test match lol?

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Taking Chappell brothers words seriously is in itself a stupidity.

If it was Steve Waugh, Ricky Ponting, Glenn McGrath, Mark Taylor, Adam Gilchrist, or anyone else, I would have taken their words seriously, but not Ian Chappell. A great captain no doubt back in his days, but as an analyst, he is too rough and impulsive and speaks anything that he feels like.

 

[Ozeirk]

How many series win for Pakistan in SENAW? And the same for India?

Pakistan in SENA countries since 1990

M W D L
73 21 11 41

India in SENA countries since 1990

M W D L
85 10 30 43

 

[Ozeirk]

So basically, rather than answering the question, or even better admitting you were wrong, you go on a long rant about how Pakistan has been a better team in SENA countries "historically".

Even your attempt at evasion is ridiculous. Pakistan has lost 12 out of the last 12 Tests it has played in Australia.

You are conveniently trying to find a little stat that puts India slightly ahead of Pakistan as opposed to giving a bigger picture. Yes, Pakistan has lost their last 12 matches in Australia however India hasn't done anything better than be of significance. India's record in Australia is almost just as dismal as Pakistan's in Australia by having only won one match in the last 12 matches India has played in Australia. Also, instead of comparing Pakistan and India's overall record in England and Australia you are focusing on the losses in both countries which is another example of nit picking stats that work very slightly in your favour.

 

[Napa]

You are conveniently trying to find a little stat that puts India slightly ahead of Pakistan as opposed to giving a bigger picture. Yes, Pakistan has lost their last 12 matches in Australia however India hasn't done anything better than be of significance. India's record in Australia is almost just as dismal as Pakistan's in Australia by having only won one match in the last 12 matches India has played in Australia. Also, instead of comparing Pakistan and India's overall record in England and Australia you are focusing on the losses in both countries which is another example of nit picking stats that work very slightly in your favour.

You are still avoiding answer the first question that I posed to you "Who are these mysterious Indian fans who have been "comparing Pakistan's performance in England to theirs in Australia"?" in response to your writing "Indian fans here are trying to portray the Indian team as a team that regularly wins in Australia... How are they comparing Pakistan's performance in England to theirs in Australia."

If you have a reply to my question, fine. Otherwise I don't want to waste my time engaging in pointless arguments about "history".

 

[wrongun]

The OP's first mistake was listening to Ian Chappell.

The second was saying Oz aren't competitive when they drew the first Test with a line up missing 5 first choice players.

Was it a a non-competitive draw?

Did Oz play poor cricket in in India last time? Or did we actually LEAD the series and play well enough that the series was well and truly alive until the second half of the final test in a four match series?

If you'd like to complain about Ian Chappel's ignorance, bias and grumpiness, do it directly as many, many people share your opinion of him. But it looks silly when you counter one of Ian's silly statements with one just as silly as his.

For what it is worth, Ian is basically still angry over the Sydney Test back in (was it 2010?) in which it could be suspected from what happened on the field that some players from one team were not actually trying to win the game...

It was horrible to watch and a lot of fans/players/commentators are still angry they had to watch it. It is not fair to punish this new team for the sins of that era of players but if you want to know why Ian is upset or loses the plot when he discusses Pakistan, that is why.

 

[Mamba Red]

The OP's first mistake was listening to Ian Chappell.

The second was saying Oz aren't competitive when they drew the first Test with a line up missing 5 first choice players.

Was it a a non-competitive draw?

Did Oz play poor cricket in in India last time? Or did we actually LEAD the series and play well enough that the series was well and truly alive until the second half of the final test in a four match series?

If you'd like to complain about Ian Chappel's ignorance, bias and grumpiness, do it directly as many, many people share your opinion of him. But it looks silly when you counter one of Ian's silly statements with one just as silly as his.

For what it is worth, Ian is basically still angry over the Sydney Test back in (was it 2010?) in which it could be suspected from what happened on the field that some players from one team were not actually trying to win the game...

It was horrible to watch and a lot of fans/players/commentators are still angry they had to watch it. It is not fair to punish this new team for the sins of that era of players but if you want to know why Ian is upset or loses the plot when he discusses Pakistan, that is why.

Guess we should just ban India, Pakistan etc from touring Australia since they are so pathetic.

 

[giri26]

Australia is a team in transition for a while now. They haven't got their best players playing for them due to injuries and other things. Yeah they fail in the subcontinent but over the last year and a half, I see some improvement. They won a Test in India, they have drawn a Test in UAE. They don't even have their best batsman in the X1 (due to his own doing off course). If that is the case, every team needs to stop inviting anyone and just play domestic cricket as teams have hardly won away from home recently unless they are playing in familiar conditions or minnows.

 

[wrongun]

Guess we should just ban India, Pakistan etc from touring Australia since they are so pathetic.

I think you may have misunderstood the intent of my post.

 

[Sam99]

What a joke. Even if you pick any non asian team which has chance to win test series today then it will be Australian team even with their weak players.

 

[Mamba Red]

I think you may have misunderstood the intent of my post.

Sorry, that was meant at the OP of this thread.

 

[Sidilicious]

Pakistan in SENA countries since 1990

M W D L
73 21 11 41

India in SENA countries since 1990

M W D L
85 10 30 43

1. Why 1990? Why not 1970?
2. And since your first post mentioned West Indies, why are you hiding them?
3. What out series wins?

 

[MMHS]

i made it because Pakistan and srilanka are going down even at faster rate though Bangladesh is improving but they have long way to go.

I didn't notice you responed me Dr.

We are improving for sure, but still miles, miles, miles away from winning a Test in AUS; winning a Test series ... probably light years . But, the game has seen many surprises in 150 years of history - it's always better to keep your cards close to chest.

The premises of this thread is different - from AUS/ENG, former players to commis to even some posters here in PP quite disrespectfully disregards the performance (rather lack of it) in Asia and tactfully taunt visiting teams' performance there (while cover own tour with politically correct excuses), Ian Chappel is just too loose mouth to talk directly, but I am sure he does represent some opinion in AUS cricket.

Cricket tours are for entertainment, and it builds relationship, help developing each others skills - if some team isn't worth of touring a country, then how can they learn? Factoring results only, I don't think BD/SRL deserves to tour outside Asia and ENG/AUS should play at most 1 Test in Asia.