Should the nation forgive Saleem Malik and remember him for his services to Pakistan Cricket?

[AlphaFighter]

I think it is only fair now that if we as a nation can forgive the likes of Amir, Asif and Butt for the spot fixing episode and give them another chance in Cricket and in life, why not for Salim Malik?

The man has served 15 years of a life ban, which has been lifted but the sad part is that it was only imposed on him because he was at the end of his career back then and was the perfect guy to lay the entire blame on while allowing others who were still of some utility to get away with it.

The guy has totally been forgotten, no one has even seen anything about him. While Malik may have been guilty but what i do deep down admire about him is his conduct during the whole episode where he has maintained a dignified silence throughout the whole ordeal, he has fought his own battles in court even when he was abandoned by all the team mates he played with.

By nature as his fellow team mates will testify, he was always a very shy, aloof guy who mostly kept to himself and just did his job. But they will also tell you that the guy was one of the best and sharpest minds in Pakistan Cricket and even his main accuser Rashid Latif comments to this day that he was a very intelligent captain who knew how to deal with all sorts of players, tactically very smart and a very good thinker of the game.

Even Shane Warne in his autobiography notes he was an absolute night mare to bowl to after Tendulkar.

It is an ethical issue to ponder about where if we as a nation can forgive and give a second chance to the likes of the trio, the players who got away with it in the 90's, why not Salim Malik?

 

[dhump]

What nation holds against Malik ?? He was banned after his playing days were done and I dont see him as coach material.

All those who hve seen Malik play consider him one of the best player of spin and useful partnership breaking bowler.

What else we have to do ?? We produced many players like him whom are retired what is the plan ?


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[Passionate Observer]

Good post, compare him to Amir and the difference between attitude is enormous, if people can forgive Amir after disgracing his nation and is still cocky and arrogant post his ban, then why not Malik who was by far more humble and modest than Amir?

 

[SM1989]

Match fixing is far worse than spot fixing. Hence forgiveness in this regard is difficult.

 

[Passionate Observer]

Match fixing is far worse than spot fixing. Hence forgiveness in this regard is difficult.

Excuses!

 

[Adnan Siddiqui]

Salim Malik is 'Qurbani Ka bakra' scape goat.

He has been sacrificed to save Wasim, Waqar, Mushy etc.

 

[Stark]

Not young enough.
Not talented enough.

 

[Passionate Observer]

Not young enough.
Not talented enough.

So talent and youth are the benchmarks for forgiveness? What an absurd post!

 

[Stark]

So talent and youth are the benchmarks for forgiveness? What an absurd post!

Spend more time here. You ll get the logic which goes around here.

 

[hk031992]

and the apologisers for fixers continue. No wonder the nation will never progress, we are so used to corruption in all walks of life, glad i no longer live there.

 

[Random Aussie]

Not young enough.
Not talented enough.

He was certainly talented enough.

 

[JaDed]

People who forgave Amir should forgive him as well.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Why not, days are gone so better to forget those things. But he isn't a coach material.

 

[dhump]

Good post, compare him to Amir and the difference between attitude is enormous, if people can forgive Amir after disgracing his nation and is still cocky and arrogant post his ban, then why not Malik who was by far more humble and modest than Amir?

Loads and lodas of crap and nothing logical...Malik was humble ?? how ?? how was he humble ??

First what Malik did was not only fixing matches not spot fixing as a captain, but also offered money to other players to throw matches

See the crime

"Feb 1995: Tim May, Shane Warne and Mark Waugh make the first allegations against Malik. They say he offered them bribes to throw the Karachi Test the previous September."

Attitude for your amusement.

1996-97:
The PCB investigation into Malik, Wasim Akram and Ijaz Ahmed continues, as does a bitter war of words between the Australian trio and Salim Malik.

Evidence

Oct 1998:
The judicial inquiry begins in earnest as Waugh and Australian captain Mark Taylor give evidence while on tour in Lahore. Malik was also called before the hearing.
Waugh alleged he was offered a bribe to bat badly in a one-day game at Rawalpindi, and said he stood by all his allegations.

Verdict not a 5 year ban but life ban

May 24 2000:
Malik and Rehman are found guilty of match-fixing, by a one-man judicial inquiry.
Justice Malik Qayyum recommended life bans for both players and a 1m rupee fine (£12,500) for Malik, following a year long investigation into the allegations.

Judge Qayyum recommends Malik be banned from any connection with cricket, either as a player or manager.

"There is clear evidence of match-fixing against Mr Salim Malik," Judge Qayyum says.

So stop repeating your hilarious and idiotic rants again and again and try to make yourself useful. As for answering OP read my first post what nation holds against Malik ??

 

[AlphaFighter]

Why not, days are gone so better to forget those things. But he isn't a coach material.

What makes you say that? He operates his own academy and coaches young kids.

He was and is one of the best batsmen we produced.

 

[dhump]

What makes you say that? He operates his own academy and coaches young kids.

He was and is one of the best batsmen we produced.

So lets see how many batsman we have produced are coaching us ?? and how many we actually need to coach us ?

 

[dhump]

People who forgave Amir should forgive him as well.

Honest opinion no one really hold anything against Malik in Pakistan specially those who were watching cricket back when Malik was banned knew already his playing days are over and knew he is made scapegoat for likes of Wasim,Waqar Mushi also jazbatis back then also demanded them to be banned, but you know that was never going to happen.

 

[Stark]

He was certainly talented enough.

Naah.. Whatchoo talkin bout Wil... RA.
DEF not as talented as you know who bowler. Else we would have had a comparison thread and what if threads out by now.


Wrong era definitely.. Maybe.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Well pakistan star bowler who is today known only for his lethal bowling was allowed to go scott free because they had a soft corner for him. Aaqib javaid and rashid latif took his name on the inquiry and even told the committee that they were offered money by the superstar to be a part of matchfixing.

 

[Pete Rose]

Saleem Malik was a fantastic batsman and a match fixer. We should remember his as that.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Well pakistan star bowler who is today known only for his lethal bowling was allowed to go scott free because they had a soft corner for him. Aaqib javaid and rashid latif took his name on the inquiry and even told the committee that they were offered money by the superstar to be a part of matchfixing.

Looks can be deceiving. Wasim has the looks so he can get away with pretty much anything. Smooth Criminal

 

[Passionate Observer]

Saleem Malik was a fantastic batsman and a match fixer. We should remember his as that.

and what about the other convicted fixer?

 

[90MPH]

Spend more time here. You ll get the logic which goes around here.

Wah, Chest thumping Indian trolls now lecturing about logic.

 

[dashing_man]

We have big Hearts, we don't remember silly things and whine about it for decades. He was a very good player for us, Sadly he fixed the whole match. Spot fixing would have been fine

 

[Stark]

Wah, Chest thumping Indian trolls now lecturing about logic.

Deal with it

 

[Junaids]

We have big Hearts, we don't remember silly things and whine about it for decades. He was a very good player for us, Sadly he fixed the whole match. Spot fixing would have been fine

If he had been a spot fixer or "weather forecaster" and had duly received a time-limited ban then I'd have welcomed him back after his ban ended.

But he was a much, much worse matchfixer, and duly got banned for life.

It's like the movie "Music Box". Jessica Lange's father in America had been accused of being a former Nazi war criminal, but claimed mistaken identity. But in the final scene, she finds the evidence that he really was.

In 1995 I foolishly believed Salim Malik's denials that he had fixed the Mandela Cup and Johannesburg Test and New Zealand ODIs a year earlier. I welcomed him back for the series in Australia and then England the following year.

Then, five years later, the News of the World caught him trying to fix again, and admitting that all the accusations had been true all along.

He was a serious fixer for years.

 

[SunTzu]

What a strange analogy 'spot fixing is akin to not paying a bus fare' . Spot fixing is as corrupt as match fixing, money is being made by under-performing players. At the end of the day it's pockets being lined not the end result of the match as that is irrelevant.

 

[Pete Rose]

and what about the other convicted fixer?

As a convicted spot fixer, who is lucky to given a second chance unlike ata ur Rehman

 

[zabalestmsm]

He was a smart operator! A stubborn batsman!

In 2013 he smartly diagnosed what was wrong with our LOIs team! amazing! Which may still apply! Some say he aint a coaching material but pointing out problems which are rarely pointed out by other ex cricketers, means he has thinking brain or may be understands the needs of the time! Cant say for sure whether he can become a good coach or not, but this is one of the examples which shows he thinks well and his thinking is synchronised with the present times!

You can read the following;

Karachi: Pakistan's former captain Salim Malik, who is serving a life ban for match-fixing, has blasted the current national team by comparing it to the Indian side of the '90s which, according to him, "didn't play as a unit".
Malik, who has rarely made any media appearances or statements since the Justice Qayyum inquiry commission recommended a life ban on him in 2000, said he was very disappointed with the national team's performance in Zimbabwe.
"The sad part is that today our players are playing the same way that the Indian players played against us in the 80s and 90s," Malik said.
"I recall that in the '80s when we were winning against India we always felt that most of their players didn't play as a unit and were just interested in scoring 30 to 40 runs and securing their places for the next match. That is why they struggled against us," Malik claimed.
"Unfortunately today we are facing a similar position in Pakistan cricket. What I see is that most of our players are only interested in scoring a few runs and making sure they are in the team for the next match."
"I don't see our players performing as a unit and cricket is a team game and only when 11 players combine then you win. In Pakistan this is not happening. We are not playing as a unit and I don't see the will to win as a team," he added.
Malik said the present Pakistan team lacked the aggression necessary for international cricket.
"They are playing very defensively and lack aggression. To make matters worse they are making basic mistakes. When there is a ball to sweep they play it straight and when the ball is not there to sweep they try to reverse sweep." Malik added that, in contrast, the current Indian team was playing as a unit and each of their players was willing to contribute when the chips were down.
"I don't want to demoralise our players but they need to radically change their approach. Captain Misbah also needs to rethink his game.
"He keeps scoring 50 to 60 runs but the team ends up performing badly. A great captain shows initiative and courage when the pressure is on. There is no excuse for our team's poor show in Zimbabwe."
Malik also felt that Pakistan would need to work hard to overcome their problems or they will face a tough time against South Africa in the upcoming series.
"South Africa, even on UAE pitches, is going to be a much tougher opposition than Zimbabwe in their own backyard."

Source:http://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/news/214225-salim-malik-likens-pakistan-to-indian-team-of-the-90s

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

No he was a match fixer. Till date he hasn't confessed and haven't said a sorry yet.

 

[SM1989]

Excuses!

Not excuses. If there are two criminals one who committed murder, the other stole a piece of bread. And I decide to forgive the one who stole the piece of bread, it does not mean I should be expected to forgive the one who committed murder.

Mohammad Aamir didn't throw the match for money, he just bowled a no-ball. There is a huge difference.

 

[Passionate Observer]

Not excuses. If there are two criminals one who committed murder, the other stole a piece of bread. And I decide to forgive the one who stole the piece of bread, it does not mean I should be expected to forgive the one who committed murder.

Mohammad Aamir didn't throw the match for money, he just bowled a no-ball. There is a huge difference.

Stupid analogy.

Amir did get money for the no-ball, he jeopardized his team's performance by being dishonest and not delivering his best which is also equivalent of throwing a match for the money, atleast he did his part.

 

[pillionrider]

Very good player who performed almost like a great vs India. Will be respected by cricket fans for his cricket the same way we respect Azhar but don't want him anywhere near cricket.

 

[AlphaFighter]

A couple of things need to be clarified. First of all the Latest Pakistani High Court he applied to lifted his Life Ban in 2008. The PCB then lobbied with the ICC and inquired with them whether Salim Malik can get involved in Cricket related roles again and the ICC replied in the affirmative.

Finally Rashid Latif himself stated for the record that if the likes of Wasim, Waqar, Mushtaq and Akram Raza can be allowed to work in Cricket related roles inspite of being heavily censured by the Qayyum commission then surely Salim Malik should be allowed to participate in Cricket again and he even stated that he felt Salim Malik would be a good batting coach for Pakistan.

Again i ask if we as a nation can forgive the likes of Wasim, Waqar, Mushtaq, Butt, Asif and Amir, why not Salim Malik?

 

[Saj]

What a batsman.

He was and still remains one of my all time favourite batsmen. Oh those cover drives and the flicks through mid wicket.

What a fantastic cricketer he was.

 

[SunTzu]

No he was a match fixer. Till date he hasn't confessed and haven't said a sorry yet.

To be fair he shouldn't have to say sorry if the allegations of him being used as a fall guy are true.

 

[inam_1]

Its funny how we treat most of our players from 90s as legends, even though deep down we know that most of them were match fixers.

 

[Junaids]

To be fair he shouldn't have to say sorry if the allegations of him being used as a fall guy are true.

They are not true. He wasn't a fall guy.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt when the Aussies accused him of trying to bribe them. But he then admitted it all on video six years later when trying to solicit a payment for yet another fix.

Salim Malik was probably the dirtiest cricketer in history.

He was a very good batsman who lied his way out of trouble for fixing once, and got an extra (undeserved) two years of international cricket, only to rub it in the noses of cricket lovers everywhere four years later by admitting that it was all true all along.

 

[AlphaFighter]

They are not true. He wasn't a fall guy.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt when the Aussies accused him of trying to bribe them. But he then admitted it all on video six years later when trying to solicit a payment for yet another fix.

Salim Malik was probably the dirtiest cricketer in history.

He was a very good batsman who lied his way out of trouble for fixing once, and got an extra (undeserved) two years of international cricket, only to rub it in the noses of cricket lovers everywhere four years later by admitting that it was all true all along.

We can't be hypocritical. If the likes of Asif, Amir, Butt can be forgiven so can Malik. Besides weren't you discrediting the methods used by the NOTW to obtain evidence and that the UK courts had declared it illegal? If it is illegal for the likes of Asif, Amir, Butt then it should be illegal for Malik as well.

 

[Junaids]

We can't be hypocritical. If the likes of Asif, Amir, Butt can be forgiven so can Malik. Besides weren't you discrediting the methods used by the NOTW to obtain evidence and that the UK courts had declared it illegal? If it is illegal for the likes of Asif, Amir, Butt then it should be illegal for Malik as well.

My friend, I strongly respect your views, but I have a fundamental difference of opinion with you, going right back to the start of the thread.

I don't believe that from a sporting point of view anyone has the right or should have the power to "forgive" any of the fixers or drug users in cricket. It is not about your feelings or anybody else's and the balance of power in international cricket tilts catastrophically if some nations feel entitled to enforce their "feelings" to adjust judicial findings which affect selection matters.

Justice has to be objective, transparent and delivered by people who are qualified and experienced legal judges.

All four players (Amir, Asif, Butt and Malik) had their cases judged by experienced and eminent judges who didn't just determine their guilt - which was obvious - but also weighed up the relative value of the mitigating factors (e.g. early admissions of guilt, youth, lack of payment) with the aggravating factors (age, experience, payment, prior offences).

The problem is that having had their cases judged by highly qualified judges who put together a brilliant trial and findings - you should read the Amir/Asif/Butt verdict, it's terrific - we now find that people who aren't qualified within the PCB and who are ignorant of what really happened want to add another de facto sentence.

It's completely unjust to add this extra time to Amir, Asif and Butt who have served their carefully-considered sentences.

But it is equally unjust to somehow reduce Salim Malik's life ban.

He got a life ban because he committed unspeakable levels of corruption in cricket. If you think about it, most of the people Qayyum convicted got off lightly. Malik in some ways did too, it's just there was no way of giving him anything less than a life ban.

 

[AlphaFighter]

But it is equally unjust to somehow reduce Salim Malik's life ban. He got a life ban because he committed unspeakable levels of corruption in cricket. If you think about it, most of the people Qayyum convicted got off lightly. Malik in some ways did too, it's just there was no way of giving him anything less than a life ban. -

If you research, you will find that Malik Qayyum himself was convicted of corruption and charged with illegally convicting the former PM of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto at the be-hest of the then PM Nawaz Sharif.

Secondly Malik Qayyum himself said he found no paper trail, no money trail or video recording proving Malik's involvement in corruption but he made a judgment to rely on the word of Taylor, Warne, Waugh, May and others against Malik but decided against using the same piece of evidence against Wasim Akram because he personally had a soft corner for Akram as he was his favorite player and he didn't wan't Wasim to end his career in disgrace.

In any case the Pakistani High Court finished Malik's life ban and the ICC told the PCB in writing that they have no objections to Malik having a Cricketing role in the PCB.

 

[Junaids]

If you research, you will find that Malik Qayyum himself was convicted of corruption and charged with illegally convicting the former PM of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto at the be-hest of the then PM Nawaz Sharif.

Secondly Malik Qayyum himself said he found no paper trail, no money trail or video recording proving Malik's involvement in corruption but he made a judgment to rely on the word of Taylor, Warne, Waugh, May and others against Malik but decided against using the same piece of evidence against Wasim Akram because he personally had a soft corner for Akram as he was his favorite player and he didn't wan't Wasim to end his career in disgrace.

In any case the Pakistani High Court finished Malik's life ban and the ICC told the PCB in writing that they have no objections to Malik having a Cricketing role in the PCB.

I am possibly biased in this matter.

The 1995-96 Pakistan tour of Australia and the 1997-98 Pakistan tour of Australia were two of the best series that I've ever watched in part because Pakistan was competitive because players suspected of corruption were in the team so they were at full strength. I argued in the media of the day that Salim Malik should be selected.

And I was horrified and appalled and sickened in 2000 when he admitted on film (that he didn't know was being recorded) that the accusations were all true.

Ever since then, my opinion has been "let the judicial tribunals deliberate, convict (or acquit) and penalise, and don't ever modify or amend the findings that experts have made."

 

[pasha404]

Why not, days are gone so better to forget those things. But he isn't a coach material.

And how you know he isn't a coach material was he your class fellow?every one agrees that along with javed he was the best player of spin.we definitely need that at academy level.did u see our youngsters struggling to read Raheed

 

[lahoriyah1234]

Yes he should be forgiven and should me made either Chief Selector or Head of Lahore Academy. Because he was one of the best cricketing brain in Pakistan Cricket in the 90s while some fixers got away because they had money and some were made scapegoats...

 

[anuk]

it shouldn't be all on him because it was told by the chief justice who investigated the issue that most of his peers were involved in fixing in a big way. the poor guy was made the scapegoat and the rest are now coaches and commentators

 

[AlphaFighter]

it shouldn't be all on him because it was told by the chief justice who investigated the issue that most of his peers were involved in fixing in a big way. the poor guy was made the scapegoat and the rest are now coaches and commentators

Which is the injustice of it all. The guy is not even remembered for his positive services to Pakistani Cricket. He was an integral part of Imran Khan's team and he was the second best batsman in the team after Javed Mianded.

The guy batted with a fractured arm against the West Indies team. Even Rashid Latif his arch nemises has now on record said that Malik should be allowed to work in Cricket again and should even be considered as a batting coach for Pakistan.

 

[AlphaFighter]

What a batsman.

He was and still remains one of my all time favourite batsmen. Oh those cover drives and the flicks through mid wicket.

What a fantastic cricketer he was.

Saj, do you think it will be possible to do an interview with Salim Malik in the future?

 

[hk031992]

Which is the injustice of it all. The guy is not even remembered for his positive services to Pakistani Cricket. He was an integral part of Imran Khan's team and he was the second best batsman in the team after Javed Mianded.

The guy batted with a fractured arm against the West Indies team. Even Rashid Latif his arch nemises has now on record said that Malik should be allowed to work in Cricket again and should even be considered as a batting coach for Pakistan.

Great. Because that is what Pakistan cricket needs, a match fixer as coach. Lets destroy an already damaged reputation of our cricket

 

[AlphaFighter]

Great. Because that is what Pakistan cricket needs, a match fixer as coach. Lets destroy an already damaged reputation of our cricket

I think your objections are irrelevant given that his main accuser has forgiven him and has appealled to both the PCB and Society in general to forgive him and also the fact that the ICC has also told the PCB that they have no issues with Malik being given a role in the PCB

 

[yadunoe]

Salim Malik is 'Qurbani Ka bakra' scape goat.

He has been sacrificed to save Wasim, Waqar, Mushy etc.

exactly which makes this whole amir situation even more hypocrtical but i guess you're are only a thief if u get caught

 

[Saj]

Saj, do you think it will be possible to do an interview with Salim Malik in the future?

Very difficult. He doesn't interact with the media very much but I can try.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Very difficult. He doesn't interact with the media very much but I can try.

I have heard rumors that he and Rashid Latif have patched up and moved on and that they do meet each other on social gatherings on and off. Maybe Rashid Latif might be a good connection to use.

 

[HaiderAbbasRizvi]

By the way, Justice Qayyum tribunal also found Ata Ur Rahman guilty, thus banning him for accepting money to perform badly by none other Wasim Akram. Yet Wasim Akram walks around as he is the paragon of virtue ably supported by Indian fans and naive Pakistanis...

I fail to understand why the likes of Ramiz and Amir haters here continue to the ignore the 6 foot 2 left arm pot marked elephant in the room and continue to rail against Amir and Saleem Malik.

 

[HaiderAbbasRizvi]

Very difficult. He doesn't interact with the media very much but I can try.

Hopefully you are successful in this endeavor and I hope he does spill some major beans on Wasim Akram (even though Wasim has already been found guilty by Justice Qayyum tribunal) and brings him and his supporter back down to earth.

 

[AlphaFighter]

By the way, Justice Qayyum tribunal also found Ata Ur Rahman guilty, thus banning him for accepting money to perform badly by none other Wasim Akram. Yet Wasim Akram walks around as he is the paragon of virtue ably supported by Indian fans and naive Pakistanis...

I fail to understand why the likes of Ramiz and Amir haters here continue to the ignore the 6 foot 2 left arm pot marked elephant in the room and continue to rail against Amir and Saleem Malik.

Actually Atta was banned because of Perjury, he wasn't found guilty of match fixing. He changed his statements under Oath to the commission many times and he told the commission that he gave a statement against Akram under Oath under influence of Aamir Sohail who was at that time motivated by his own desires to become Pakistan's captain.

What is fascinating is the fact that Wasim Akram met Atta ur Rehman in England and threatened him with dire consequences i.e. he knew people in Pakistan who would fix him up for good and that he better change his statement that he gave against Wasim to the Qayyum commission. Wasim paid for Atta's flight to Pakistan via his Credit Card and then Atta ur Rehman appeared before the Qayyum commission and withdrew his sworn statement against Wasim. Wasim Akram and his lawyers acnowledged all this and the fact that he paid for Atta's trip to Pakistan.

I mean i am literally shocked at the fact's above, this is a clear case of coersion and durress but the Qayyum commission did not even take it into account and decided to charge Atta with perjury instead stating that he had no credibility and that nothing he told the commission with respect to Wasim Akram, Aamir Sohail could be believed anymore.

But bottomline the case against Akram collapsed after Atta with drew his statement against Wasim.

Personally speaking i believe the Pakistani govt just hushed and covered it all up and scapegoated certain individuals who were off no utility to Pakistan Cricket any more honestly speaking. I hope one day that the Qayyum commission report is re-examined and gone through again.

 

[HaiderAbbasRizvi]

^^Thanks for the correction. Wasim was also some what reprimanded/punished by the Commission, in so far as removing him from captaincy and the recommendation that he is not to be Captain of the national side in the future. In fact Justice Qayyum is on record stating that he personally was a big fan of Wasim and didn't want to punish him harshly, leading to the conclusion that in the eyes of the commission Wasim was guilty of some offense.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Excuses!

Provide a rational post or shut the hell up. No one needs this pathetic one word post clogging up their browser.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

^edit: I see from your later posts that you are being sarcastic. Sorry but it's still a waste. I'd much rather see a good argument than a one word sarcastic post.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Very slimy character, only those who watched him batting would really know. Fantastic talent but a dream come true for the illegal betting trade. This is one of the guys who set up the dressing room culture in the Pakistan dressing room.

 

[waleed88]

We can't forget Salim Malik as long as we have another S.Malik playing for us. That S. Malik has ruined many cricketing careers too with his politics and backstabbing.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Salim Malik's career from 1995 onwards was doomed. He could never focus properly on Cricket again and his batting overall suffered. He was completely shot in 1999 and should not have been part of the squad.

 

[Pete Rose]

The op's standard logic for any of his ridiculous and borderline corrupt recommendations is 'so what, but xyz got away this and that'
Badly needs a moral compass

 

[Saj]

Well after many years of trying to track him down I finally spoke with him and interviewed him.

Watch this space for the interview.

 

[_Salman_]

Well after many years of trying to track him down I finally spoke with him and interviewed him.

Watch this space for the interview.

Looking forward to it.

 

[Amjid Javed]

What a batsman.

He was and still remains one of my all time favourite batsmen. Oh those cover drives and the flicks through mid wicket.

What a fantastic cricketer he was.

Played some memorable knocks as well. His inns at headingley in 1987 always stands out. Also him single handedly winning an ODI against india back when there no fielding restrictions and a run rate of 10 an over needed in last 10 overs he won us a match.

Also the 1994 home series v Australia where he pretty much butchered warne all series, A very good batsmen indeed.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Well after many years of trying to track him down I finally spoke with him and interviewed him.

Watch this space for the interview.

That's great news. I wish there could have been a questions thread so that we could have thrown in some of our questions into the mix.

 

[Saj]

That's great news. I wish there could have been a questions thread so that we could have thrown in some of our questions into the mix.

I didn't start it in case he refused to be interviewed which was a possibility.

However I don't think people will be disappointed by the interview.

 

[AlphaFighter]

I didn't start it in case he refused to be interviewed which was a possibility.

However I don't think people will be disappointed by the interview.

One question I would have asked him is how does he feel sitting back watching the quality of cricket in Pakistan and of the Pakistani team in general compared to his era and playing days and what is his assessment of where the real problems lie and his proposed solutions.

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[Junaids]

Let me just remind you.

The News of the World created a corrupt scheme which Salman Butt and Mohammad Amir willingly agreed to and Mohammad Asif did not. They caught Amir and Butt with marked banknotes, but not Asif.

The News of the World had a far greater level of proof against Malik. He offered his corrupt scheme to them, and on video confessed to almost a decade of matchfixing - not just spotfixing - including throughout his time both as the Captain of Pakistan and as Essex’s overseas professional. He admitted that May and Warne had told the truth in their allegations that he tried to fix the 1994 Karachi Test - the only difference is that he said that several Australian players accepted the fix, which is how they won by one wicket with a 57 run tenth wicket partnership.

How do you overturn punishment for that?

 

[little_junior]

Let me just remind you.

The News of the World created a corrupt scheme which Salman Butt and Mohammad Amir willingly agreed to and Mohammad Asif did not. They caught Amir and Butt with marked banknotes, but not Asif.

The News of the World had a far greater level of proof against Malik. He offered his corrupt scheme to them, and on video confessed to almost a decade of matchfixing - not just spotfixing - including throughout his time both as the Captain of Pakistan and as Essex’s overseas professional. He admitted that May and Warne had told the truth in their allegations that he tried to fix the 1994 Karachi Test - the only difference is that he said that several Australian players accepted the fix, which is how they won by one wicket with a 57 run tenth wicket partnership.

How do you overturn punishment for that?

I really feel for saleem Malik, he deserve second chance. All the fixer got 2nd chance but saleem Malik still suffering. He could give something to our new generation batsmen.

 

[Savak]

Let me just remind you.

The News of the World created a corrupt scheme which Salman Butt and Mohammad Amir willingly agreed to and Mohammad Asif did not. They caught Amir and Butt with marked banknotes, but not Asif.

The News of the World had a far greater level of proof against Malik. He offered his corrupt scheme to them, and on video confessed to almost a decade of matchfixing - not just spotfixing - including throughout his time both as the Captain of Pakistan and as Essex’s overseas professional. He admitted that May and Warne had told the truth in their allegations that he tried to fix the 1994 Karachi Test - the only difference is that he said that several Australian players accepted the fix, which is how they won by one wicket with a 57 run tenth wicket partnership.

How do you overturn punishment for that?

Lol why hasn't any action been taken against these Australian players then if that video tape is admissible in court and not dismissed on a legal technicality?

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

What dignified silence? Let's not rewrite history.

Back in those days, Malik didn't have much opportunity to vent his spleen at the establishment and his punishment. There weren't hundreds of ** news channels like there are now. The internet was nothing then.

You can be sure he was trying his best to be heard about how he was wronged, but with very few outlets and those few outlets not giving a damn, he was not given a platform.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Incidentally, he was guilty as hell. So if a guilty person commits a crime and then stays silent about that crime they committed, rather than make a song and dance about how they're innocent etc, now it is some kind of praiseworthy thing? Lol. What standards we have these days. Maybe he's silent because he knew better and he didn't want to get into even more trouble.

 

[Junaids]

It horrifies next that people can’t tell the difference between a few players who took money to do no-balls (who were rightly banned for 5 years) and a guy like Saleem Malik who fixed the results of matches for years and corrupted other players.

Just try watching the 1995 Mandela Trophy. Most of the Pakistan team was trying to win while the captain was ensuring that they lost.

 

[Savak]

What dignified silence? Let's not rewrite history.

Back in those days, Malik didn't have much opportunity to vent his spleen at the establishment and his punishment. There weren't hundreds of ** news channels like there are now. The internet was nothing then.

You can be sure he was trying his best to be heard about how he was wronged, but with very few outlets and those few outlets not giving a damn, he was not given a platform.

Incidentally, he was guilty as hell. So if a guilty person commits a crime and then stays silent about that crime they committed, rather than make a song and dance about how they're innocent etc, now it is some kind of praiseworthy thing? Lol. What standards we have these days. Maybe he's silent because he knew better and he didn't want to get into even more trouble.

The media proliferation in Pakistan started in 2001 under Musharraf and then we saw all these numerous television channels and news channels in Pakistan. Malik was banned in 2000 so this point does not make sense. Malik only gave once in a blue moon rare interviews but went about his business of trying to clear himself quietly.

It's not like he committed murder or robbed a family of their life savings and brought them on the fronts. If Malik Qayyum has no objections to his life ban being lifted, if the PCB has no objections to his life ban being lifted, if Rashid Latif himself is now appealing to the ICC, PCB and government of Pakistan to lift his life ban, then who are we to continue to hold anything against him.

 

[Savak]

It horrifies next that people can’t tell the difference between a few players who took money to do no-balls (who were rightly banned for 5 years) and a guy like Saleem Malik who fixed the results of matches for years and corrupted other players.

Just try watching the 1995 Mandela Trophy. Most of the Pakistan team was trying to win while the captain was ensuring that they lost.

Don't get me started with your hypocrisy, you continuously lobbied that Asif was punished for bowling a no-ball for free and therefore did not deserve to get a life ban.

 

[Junaids]

Don't get me started with your hypocrisy, you continuously lobbied that Asif was punished for bowling a no-ball for free and therefore did not deserve to get a life ban.

I have just re-read Section 223 of the ICC Tribunal Report.

It is clear both that the players:

1. Should only be excluded from international cricket for 5 years unless they reoffend, and

2. Should be immediately considered for selection after five years if their form justifies it, as their selection would remind everyone of the price they paid for their offences.

 

[Indiafan]

I have just re-read Section 223 of the ICC Tribunal Report.

It is clear both that the players:

1. Should only be excluded from international cricket for 5 years unless they reoffend, and

2. Should be immediately considered for selection after five years if their form justifies it, as their selection would remind everyone of the price they paid for their offences.

So why were players like symonds never selected again? The boards have the complete discretion never to pick a player again regardless or ban or not. Being selected for the international team is a privilege and not a right. And that privilege can be withdrawn any time. There are millions in Pakistan waiting for a chance who are honest and untainted

 

[Indiafan]

I have just re-read Section 223 of the ICC Tribunal Report.

It is clear both that the players:

1. Should only be excluded from international cricket for 5 years unless they reoffend, and

2. Should be immediately considered for selection after five years if their form justifies it, as their selection would remind everyone of the price they paid for their offences.

Asif not being selected for Pakistani team was not just due to this one incident

He was banned after getting caught taking nandro first time

PCB forgave and selected him again

He was caught in dubai and jailed on drug possession

PCB forgave him and selected him again

He was involved in a fight with Akhtar. PCB took Asifs side and banned Akhtar.

So PCB forgave him one more time

He was caught a second time taking Nandro in IPL

PCB forgave him and selected him again

Finally he was involved in spot fixing and being convicted and jailed

To claim PCB has not given him chance after chance and has not taken his side and actually been very lenient work him is deliberately being dishonest

Repeat offenders are always treated differently than first time offenders who can be rehabilitated

 

[Saj]

Well if others can be given coaching positions etc within Pakistan cricket, I don't see why Malik shouldn't be given a second chance.