Should the Pakistan Chief Selector be part of the team selection committee during the World Cup?

[Guido]

Inzamam's presence in England, controversial team selections post-Asia Cup, removal of Arthur allies like Faheem Ashraf and Shinwari from the team using the recent England series which had terrible pitches for the bowlers. Bringing back Wahab Riaz and holding onto Shoaib Malik despite his poor record in England. Sarfaraz has become a sandwich between these two individuals.

Question is why is the Chief Selector involved so much in team selection and day to day affairs?

 

[HappyWarsFan]

So unprofessional and causing chaos. Can't wait for Inzi to leave after WC.

 

[Captain caveman]

So unprofessional and causing chaos. Can't wait for Inzi to leave after WC.

Take his nephew with him please!

 

[Sir-fraz]

Inzi is the polar opposite of smart. I remember once he said he didnt understand the run out rule..

This guy needs to go asap..

 

[Markhor]

Inzamam has been far from an ideal selector but Sarfraz lobby is in full swing trying to deflect blame away from the Asian Clive Lloyd's pathetic fitness, batting and captaincy.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Inzamam has been far from an ideal selector but Sarfraz lobby is in full swing trying to deflect blame away from the Asian Clive Lloyd's pathetic fitness, batting and captaincy.

I agree. Sarfraz is terrible too. All 3 Inzi, Mickey, and Sarfraz are the worst combo ever.

 

[Markhor]

Underachieving batsman with pathetic fitness
Garbage captain who mostly focused on religious activities and building mosques in the Caribbean when the team was getting smashed in 2007 WC
Corrupt, incompetent chief selector over-ruling the captain and coach while they have their necks on the line


Sarfaraz and Mickey have follies of their own and should get the boot but this guy needs to be kicked out of the office ASAP

Yawn (literally). So according to Sarfraz lobby, Inzamam forced Sarfraz to carry belly. Inzamam forced Sarfraz to bat pathetically in every match. Inzamam forced Sarfraz not to put in a slip for Wahab against England where we could've won by a bigger margin. Inzamam forced Sarfraz to bowl first v Australia and drop our only frontline spinner.

 

[octavian]

Inzamam has been far from an ideal selector but Sarfraz lobby is in full swing trying to deflect blame away from the Asian Clive Lloyd's pathetic fitness, batting and captaincy.

Excatly. This is why our cricket is in shambles. People cant see the faults of their favorite players.

Sarfraz has been absolutely shambolic and an embarrassment.

 

[Omer2002]

people keep mentioning shinwari and faheem etc..they wouldnt have done anything special either..unfortunately the talent is bare at the moment

 

[Markhor]

Excatly. This is why our cricket is in shambles. People cant see the faults of their favorite players.

Sarfraz has been absolutely shambolic and an embarrassment.

Well said.

And WOW at Sarfraz fans criticising Inzamam's batting. First ask your supposed Asian Clive Lloyd to score just an ODI fifty when it matters then talk about Inzamam's batting.

 

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[Titan24]

people keep mentioning shinwari and faheem etc..they wouldnt have done anything special either..unfortunately the talent is bare at the moment

Even if you have given 80s WI to Sarfaraz as captain and Mickey as head coach along with Azhar as bowling and Grant as batting coach I am sure they would also have struggled to an extent but them being powerful characters might even have sidelined these incompetent people.

I am not saying that these players are super stars but mismanagement is at its peak as well. No matter how much talented players you give to this management I doubt the result will be different.

 

[Syed1]

Well said.

And WOW at Sarfraz fans criticising Inzamam's batting. First ask your supposed Asian Clive Lloyd to score just an ODI fifty when it matters then talk about Inzamam's batting.

Awkward moment when specialist batsman lejund Inzi averages just five runs more than fat unfit keeper batsman.

 

[Guido]

Yawn (literally). So according to Sarfraz lobby, Inzamam forced Sarfraz to carry belly. Inzamam forced Sarfraz to bat pathetically in every match. Inzamam forced Sarfraz not to put in a slip for Wahab against England where we could've won by a bigger margin. Inzamam forced Sarfraz to bowl first v Australia and drop our only frontline spinner.

Rofl if Sarfaraz had a lobby then this forum won't be littered with posts dedicated to him only while absolving the selectors' role who have longer tenure than Sarfraz and Arthur but could not provide a stable batting alternatives, strong batsmen is further away.

Sarfraz is no doubt responsible he is weak, he allowed others to exercise authority but is he selecting or managing the team like Arthur and Inzi?

PCB chairman is also responsible for this, his actions only made the captain and coach insecure.

Inzamam is right now the most powerful person in that dressing room right now who even arthur can't say no to. Arthur is abrasive and not very smart how to handle seniors Malik, Wahab and Hafeez, plus he never backed Imad Wasim return. Inzamam using the England series as a fix has literally made Arthur and Sarfaraz headless chickens by getting all his influenced players in the team.

Now nothing can be done.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

As I said in another thread yesterday, Inzimam as a batsman couldn't even judge a run properly, he was the butt of constant jokes for his run outs. Yet somehow this is the guy who has suddenly found wisdom and judgement when it comes to coaching and selection?

If he was coaching a batsman, would he be able to impart the wisdom of calling YES/NO...WAIT!

It's not rocket science but seems Pakistani batsmen still haven't got these basics down.

 

[Guido]

Even if you have given 80s WI to Sarfaraz as captain and Mickey as head coach along with Azhar as bowling and Grant as batting coach I am sure they would also have struggled to an extent but them being powerful characters might even have sidelined these incompetent people.

I am not saying that these players are super stars but mismanagement is at its peak as well. No matter how much talented players you give to this management I doubt the result will be different.

YOu have 3 matches and 3 middle order collapses, filled with so-called experienced players Hafeez, Malik and Babar. The 2 are senior than the captain and have been used before tho oust strong captains before like Younis Khan.
No one can manage non-cricketing or political issues and Sarfaraz has shown he is not Imran Khan who can stamp his authority against the coach or chief selector.

 

[Sir-fraz]

As I said in another thread yesterday, Inzimam as a batsman couldn't even judge a run properly, he was the butt of constant jokes for his run outs. Yet somehow this is the guy who has suddenly found wisdom and judgement when it comes to coaching and selection?

If he was coaching a batsman, would he be able to impart the wisdom of calling YES/NO...WAIT!

It's not rocket science but seems Pakistani batsmen still haven't got these basics down.

I remember he once said he didnt understand the run out rule.

He is an absolute joke. Less said about his intelligence the better. Ego and idiocy dont mix well.

 

[Mamoon]

Inzamam has no business being in the UK and mingling with the team, especially if he is on PCB’s money. He is not part of the team management and he needs to pay for his own flights and accommodation etc.

He is one of Pakistan’s finest cricketers, but he is also one of the most toxic characters Pakistan has ever produced. PCB must ensure that he is not involved with Pakistan cricket in any capacity in the future.

Below are some of the reasons why he should be kept away from the team as far as possible:

(1) he corrupted a generation of Pakistani cricketers into thinking that fitness is not important as long as you are performing.

That attitude has slowly started to change because of awareness, but for years, coaches and players in domestic cricket as well as fans would routinely give his example to downplay the importance of fitness.

It was his influence that ensured that Pakistan were a good 10 years behind everyone in terms of focusing on fitness.

(2) He introduced a culture to tableegh into the dressing room. There was an overemphasis on religion that was not present before his captaincy. The tradition of doing sajdahs after centuries and 5-fers, praying together in training etc. were traditions that he introduced in our cricket.

Religion is a private affair, but mingling too much with mullahs can be counterproductive. Most of them are lazy, impractical individuals who are not going to have a positive influence on the players.

(3) In 2007, shortly after retiring, he took half of his loyalists to ICL, effectively derailing their careers. Within months of his final contract, he turned his back on PCB.

(4) He masterminded the grouping against Younis in 2009, and the players took oath in his house. He had no stake in PCB at that point. He was not a coach or a selector, but it was his toxic character that led to his involvement when he had no reason to poke his nose.

His seems like a harmless, soft teddy bear on the outside, but he is one of the most cunning and sly individuals around. As long as he is with the team in any capacity, there will be trouble.

 

[Chokli]

Pakistan has always been an average team even when they had Wasim, Waqar and Akhtar.

The only difference now is India, New Zealand, England are all better teams.

 

[the Great Khan]

Underachieving batsman with pathetic fitness

Even then he has been one of our greatest batsmen.Ever. better than anyone in this current team.

Garbage captain who mostly focused on religious activities and building mosques in the Caribbean when the team was getting smashed in 2007 WC

he wasnt that bad as a captain. He was hamstrung with a poor bowling attack but managed to get us some important wins vs england,india, new zealand in new zealand and south africa. Come back when any of the new captains have won a series against any of these teams.
Corrupt, incompetent chief selector over-ruling the captain and coach while they have their necks on the line

can you provide any evidence of his corruption or where he has overruled the coaching staff? im genuinely interested and this is not a trolling question.

Sarfaraz and Mickey have follies of their own and should get the boot but this guy needs to be kicked out of the office ASAP

Well i would say that Mickey needs to go but I dont think inzi really has much to select from. The domestic game is a mess so he has had to make do with a very very small pool of players. Mickey and Sarfi are responsible for strategy and arguably we have lost a number of games because our strategy has been shocking. I also agree that selecting wahab for this cup was a mistake and not selecting another spinner was also a mistake. So not completely absolving inzi. But he has done better than previous selectors.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I remember he once said he didnt understand the run out rule.

He is an absolute joke. Less said about his intelligence the better. Ego and idiocy dont mix well.

Watch Pakistani batsmen, as soon as they make contact with the ball they will start running blind regardless of where it has gone. You have to question what Flower is doing as well, seems to me he is just picking up a wage for being from NZ.

 

[Savak]

It appears that the real reason that Inzi was sent by the PCB to act as a bridge between Mickey Arthur and the players. Mickey Arthur had a serious fight with the players during the Pak England Series.

 

[the Great Khan]

Pakistan has always been an average team even when they had Wasim, Waqar and Akhtar.

The only difference now is India, New Zealand, England are all better teams.

they werent average. From 1988 to about 2000 they were a really good side. Some ups and downs but average sides dont win ODI series and tournaments in australia and england.

 

[the Great Khan]

It appears that the real reason that Inzi was sent by the PCB to act as a bridge between Mickey Arthur and the players. Mickey Arthur had a serious fight with the players during the Pak England Series.

whats this? what have you heard?

 

[Chokli]

they werent average. From 1988 to about 2000 they were a really good side. Some ups and downs but average sides dont win ODI series and tournaments in australia and england.

Alright I will take that back then; we've been an average side since 2000? For almost 20 years

 

[Savak]

whats this? what have you heard?

Mickey Arthur had a very nasty show down with the players at the end of the 4th Pak England ODI and the players had a mutiny and told the PCB that they will not play under Mickey Arthur anymore and the PCB then decided to send Inzi to try to maintain peace between Arthur and the players.

It makes sense and the results are showing the dressing room atmosphere.

 

[Titan24]

YOu have 3 matches and 3 middle order collapses, filled with so-called experienced players Hafeez, Malik and Babar. The 2 are senior than the captain and have been used before tho oust strong captains before like Younis Khan.
No one can manage non-cricketing or political issues and Sarfaraz has shown he is not Imran Khan who can stamp his authority against the coach or chief selector.

I believe we are past the phase where there are reasons discussed that why we lost a match, as its been a trend for well over two years now. We have to look past the reasons and take into account the environment and the mind set of the players and dressing room. Morgan, Buttler, Root etc all played in WC 2015 but they failed more often than not to win matches and the only thing changed was their environment and mindset and rest is history.

I believe all the culprits of this mess Inzi, Sarfaraz, Mickey and co should be shown the door irrespective of this world cup's final result. Malik and Hafeez are both past their expiry while there are questions upon the fitness of 2-3 players including Sarfaraz who isnt even a performer.

Its a professional sport not a world tour of a theater company where all these are just acting and saying their dialogues and lines as we have witnessed in some of the press conferences.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Mickey Arthur had a very nasty show down with the players at the end of the 4th Pak England ODI and the players had a mutiny and told the PCB that they will not play under Mickey Arthur anymore and the PCB then decided to send Inzi to try to maintain peace between Arthur and the players.

It makes sense and the results are showing the dressing room atmosphere.

The results were bad even before this happened.

 

[Guido]

Yes on principle but now nothing much can happen. Inzamam has already played his role using the England series. He is the only one who can control Imad, Hafeez, Malik, Babar and Wahab, this almost our whole team. We need to win the next 4 matches. The discord in the team will only result in humiliating performances by the Pakistan team infront of others.

 

[Titan24]

Mickey Arthur had a very nasty show down with the players at the end of the 4th Pak England ODI and the players had a mutiny and told the PCB that they will not play under Mickey Arthur anymore and the PCB then decided to send Inzi to try to maintain peace between Arthur and the players.

It makes sense and the results are showing the dressing room atmosphere.

I wont be surprised if that has happened, Mickey's methods as coach were even disregarded by Aussies and his contract was terminated. Its a shame that our timid players took this much amount of time to launch a complaint.

 

[the Great Khan]

Inzamam has no business being in the UK and mingling with the team, especially if he is on PCB’s money. He is not part of the team management and he needs to pay for his own flights and accommodation etc.

He is one of Pakistan’s finest cricketers, but he is also one of the most toxic characters Pakistan has ever produced. PCB must ensure that he is not involved with Pakistan cricket in any capacity in the future.

No real evidence other than gossip and hearsay.

Below are some of the reasons why he should be kept away from the team as far as possible:

(1) he corrupted a generation of Pakistani cricketers into thinking that fitness is not important as long as you are performing.

I dont remember Inzi telling aamir sohail to go and light up a cigarette in 1996 right infront of my eyes? Or wasim bhai and co getting drunk on the town? or perhaps wiqi and co going for a bit of weed on a carribean beach? there was already a culture of idocy in the team prior to inzi being a superstar.

That attitude has slowly started to change because of awareness, but for years, coaches and players in domestic cricket as well as fans would routinely give his example to downplay the importance of fitness.

This is related to an overall attitude to fitness in pakistan e.g. if your fat your seen as being healthy and if your thin its seen as unhealthy.

It was his influence that ensured that Pakistan were a good 10 years behind everyone in terms of focusing on fitness.

Disagree here as they werent kaakay and afridi,razaaq, hafeez,malik etc were pretty fit..also moyo was very fit too and so was yk..

(2) He introduced a culture to tableegh into the dressing room. There was an overemphasis on religion that was not present before his captaincy. The tradition of doing sajdahs after centuries and 5-fers, praying together in training etc. were traditions that he introduced in our cricket.

yes he did. And this united the team that was talent wise nowhere the current side or previous sides. Our key bowlers included khalil and sami, anjum and rana. He turned these guys into a team that destroyed India in india and that indian team included dhoni,dravid,sachin,yuvi etc. He also lead this very inexperienced depleted team to wins in NZ and ODI wins in australia and england (although we didnt win some of those series but we won enough ODI matches)

It also gave the team a focus and togetherness that was missing for years. it was then attacked by the paksitani attaturk musharref and his stupid dentist naseem ashraf who helped destroy our team in 2007 just because they would pray and hada sense of togetherness. the excessive religiosity accusation was linked to PJ Mir who went to the carribean to explicity provide Mush attaturk with an excuse to attack the pakistan cricket team. to the extent where the PCB itself hardly supported the team after woolmers death. Much of this gossip was from PJ Mir. None of it was true.

Religion is a private affair, but mingling too much with mullahs can be counterproductive. Most of them are lazy, impractical individuals who are not going to have a positive influence on the players.

not most of them some of them just like irreligious people who can be drunkards and drug users.

(3) In 2007, shortly after retiring, he took half of his loyalists to ICL, effectively derailing their careers. Within months of his final contract, he turned his back on PCB.

You were about 12 in those days but the ICL was not a tournament that was banned by the PCB. they were allowed to go there and then when the BCCI threatened to get rid of the ICL the pakistan players wanted their own board to stand with them not the BCCI. The PCB stood with the BCCI and banned their own players, including abul razzaq who had not retired. This effected our team immensely and was unneccessary. As soon as Razaaq came back we won the 2009 WC. Naseem Ashraf was given a small bone by teh BCCI and being a complete fool, blinded by his secular leader, he fell for it hook line and sinker. Why dont you mention him? oh of course you were probably playing with your toys in those days.

(4) He masterminded the grouping against Younis in 2009, and the players took oath in his house. He had no stake in PCB at that point. He was not a coach or a selector, but it was his toxic character that led to his involvement when he had no reason to poke his nose.

More gossip. YK failed to manage his team. he caused a mutiny because he started dropping and willy nilly picking certain players. And then losing his rag when confronted. or not explaining his reasons. Then the clique lead by Malik akmal and co who co-opted Moyo who was angry at YK for dropping him against NZ, Moyo being the tableeghi asked Inzi bhai to mediate. that is all we know the rest is all gossip and hearsay. Moyo was made the captain for the aus series but the clique turned on him to get their man butt in the prime position ready for fixing. malik, akmal(s),wahab,umar amin, butt, were invovled with teh clique. We all knew about them. It wasnt a secret.

His seems like a harmless, soft teddy bear on the outside, but he is one of the most cunning and sly individuals around. As long as he is with the team in any capacity, there will be trouble.

He's not harmless but he isnt a fool either and has selected a team with input from the coach and captain. He has not done it on his own. Mickey isnt a kaka and neither is sarfi.

 

[MMHS]

No - CS is an useless, obsolete post in an obsolete, outdated game like cricket. Here is PP, that useless position (CS) is given too much importance and honored (by thinking that PAK cricket's fortune - high or low, depends on that guy's selection) ..... BCCI CS now is a bang average WK, who was fortunate to play few games here and there ..... and he is selecting players with more Test games under belt than he has in FC cricket!!!! That frightening Aussie team had a CS for 12 years by the name of Trevor Hohns - I don't know how many here in PP know that Hohns was a Test player as well!!!!!

Next PCB CS should be a low profile, humble guy, who'll eat, drink, breathe PAK cricket (as a whole from school to National level) ..... takes orders only from God (Up in the sky), and Director PCT/Head Coach (On Earth) ..... and scared, very scared about keeping his high profile, fat paying job.

 

[the Great Khan]

Alright I will take that back then; we've been an average side since 2000? For almost 20 years

since 2010. to be accurate..we won the WC in 2009 and reached the semi finals of the WC in 2011..we also reached a semi final in every ICC tournament from 2007 to 2011..(i believe) so final 2009,semi 2010,semi2011, semi again in the T20..

 

[Markhor]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] - why do you keep repeating this lie that the oath taking was hosted at Inzamam's house ?

Shoaib Malik himself admitted it was at Mohammed Yousuf's hotel room in Johannesburg.

 

[Mueez]

Mickey Arthur had a very nasty show down with the players at the end of the 4th Pak England ODI and the players had a mutiny and told the PCB that they will not play under Mickey Arthur anymore and the PCB then decided to send Inzi to try to maintain peace between Arthur and the players.

It makes sense and the results are showing the dressing room atmosphere.

Pretty much possible.

The boys look totally disinterested on the field...

 

[the Great Khan]

Mickey Arthur had a very nasty show down with the players at the end of the 4th Pak England ODI and the players had a mutiny and told the PCB that they will not play under Mickey Arthur anymore and the PCB then decided to send Inzi to try to maintain peace between Arthur and the players.

It makes sense and the results are showing the dressing room atmosphere.

this is news to me. Where did you hear this? Thats a massive misjudgment from mickey if he did this before the World cup..

 

[Guido]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] - why do you keep repeating this lie that the oath taking was hosted at Inzamam's house ?

Shoaib Malik himself admitted it was at Mohammed Yousuf's hotel room in Johannesburg.

Saeed Ajmal admitted to Inzamam role recently in a program when he responded on a question of Basit Ali question, a player who had recently retired from the team was also involved upon which Ajmal gave a grin indicating yes its true. Basit Ali then said the same player was involved in protecting a leg spinner [Mushtaq Ahmed] in the mid 90s who was to be dropped by selectors headed by Majid Khan [the chief executive then]. He was talking about Inzamam ul Haq.

 

[the Great Khan]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] - why do you keep repeating this lie that the oath taking was hosted at Inzamam's house ?

Shoaib Malik himself admitted it was at Mohammed Yousuf's hotel room in Johannesburg.

He was around 12 when that actually happened so is probably going on gossip he has heard..you know what they say about a lie travelling around the globe etc..

 

[the Great Khan]

Saeed Ajmal admitted to Inzamam role recently in a program when he responded on a question of Basit Ali question, a player who had recently retired from the team was also involved upon which Ajmal gave a grin indicating yes its true. Basit Ali then said the same player was involved in protecting a leg spinner [Mushtaq Ahmed] in the mid 90s who was to be dropped by selectors headed by Majid Khan [the chief executive then]. He was talking about Inzamam ul Haq.

Ajmal wasnt in the side then? so he has also heard gossip..but enough of this nonsense. We would not have won anything even if inzi wasnt a selector..there are deeper structural problems than a few selction changes.

 

[Chokli]

since 2010. to be accurate..we won the WC in 2009 and reached the semi finals of the WC in 2011..we also reached a semi final in every ICC tournament from 2007 to 2011..(i believe) so final 2009,semi 2010,semi2011, semi again in the T20..

From the top of my head -


Won vs Australia 2002
Lost few ODIs to Australia in August 2002
Embarrassed in Champions Trophy 2002
Lost to South Africa 2002/2003
Embarrassed in 2003 World Cup
Lost to England in 2003
Lost to South Africa in 2003 after leading 2-0
Lost to India at home in 2004
Semi Finals of CT 2004
Lost Asia Cup in 2004
Won in India in 2005
Won at home Vs England in 2005
Lost in Pakistan vs India in 2006
Lost in England 2006
Lost in CT 2006
Embarrassed in World Cup 2007 where Inzamam was captain
Lost in India 2007
Finals of World T20 2007
Lost to South Africa 2007
Lost Asia Cup 2008 at home
Beat Windies in UAE 2008
Lost to Sri lanka at home in 2009
Lost to Australia in UAE in 2009
Won World T20 2009
Lost in Sri Lanka 2009 in Sri Lanka
Semi Finals CT 2009
Lost to NZ 2009 in UAE
Lost to Australia in Aus
Semi Finals World T20
Lost in Asia Cup 2010
Lost in England ODI series and Tests 2010
Lost to South Africa in 2010 UAE
Won in NZ 2011
Semi Finals World Cup 2011


Bang on average, they did well in ICC tournaments but other than that...average

 

[Markhor]

Saeed Ajmal admitted to Inzamam role recently in a program when he responded on a question of Basit Ali question, a player who had recently retired from the team was also involved upon which Ajmal gave a grin indicating yes its true. Basit Ali then said the same player was involved in protecting a leg spinner [Mushtaq Ahmed] in the mid 90s who was to be dropped by selectors headed by Majid Khan [the chief executive then]. He was talking about Inzamam ul Haq.

The same Saeed Ajmal that claimed an accident caused his bent elbow and him to chuck, and Basit Ali whose mental state everybody is aware of.

All of these ex-players have their agendas and come out with this half cooked nonsense.

However you want to place every sin of Pak cricket on Inzamam-ul-Haq and deflect from an unfit captain who carries belly and yawns while his bowlers get thrashed in a crunch game, then runs to his media buddies to leak stories against Mickey Arthur and Inzamam.

 

[Guido]

Ajmal wasnt in the side then? so he has also heard gossip..but enough of this nonsense. We would not have won anything even if inzi wasnt a selector..there are deeper structural problems than a few selction changes.

He won't be lying he was part of the squad for that tour, whether he played or not.

 

[JellyBro]

I don't even think there should a selection committee. Its a farce. Rather, they should have a "coaches committee" that convenes every year or two from the regional departments and drafts players for the national team.
The national coach should then pick players from that pool of players. Give him complete authority on who gets to play and who doesn't. The captain needs to work with that decision and not undermine the selection process. Imran Khan strong armed everyone when it came to selecting player buts that's because he was charismatic and actually had sound reasoning behind his selection. Our current captains, selection committee members etc are a bunch of nitwitted individuals with low IQs. They don't have the capacity to formulate a long-term plan.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Awkward moment when specialist batsman lejund Inzi averages just five runs more than fat unfit keeper batsman.

Let’s not compare numbers here. It is an insult to Inzamam the batsman to compare him to Sarfraz

 

[nam]

No! Chief selector should rather watch first class games to select the best team possible rather than meddling in affairs during CWC

 

[Mamoon]

I dont remember Inzi telling aamir sohail to go and light up a cigarette in 1996 right infront of my eyes? Or wasim bhai and co getting drunk on the town? or perhaps wiqi and co going for a bit of weed on a carribean beach? there was already a culture of idocy in the team prior to inzi being a superstar.

This is related to an overall attitude to fitness in pakistan e.g. if your fat your seen as being healthy and if your thin its seen as unhealthy.

Disagree here as they werent kaakay and afridi,razaaq, hafeez,malik etc were pretty fit..also moyo was very fit too and so was yk..

Inzamam was Pakistan's star batsman for about 15 years, and he was also notorious around the cricket world for his lacklustre attitude towards fitness. Yes other players were not babies, but Inzamam was a major negative influence. Are you trying to justify that he was right in consuming all those parathas and mithais throughout his career? When he flopped miserably in the 2003 World Cup, he blamed his improved fitness. That was his attitude towards fitness, and it definitely rubbed on other players.

yes he did. And this united the team that was talent wise nowhere the current side or previous sides. Our key bowlers included khalil and sami, anjum and rana. He turned these guys into a team that destroyed India in india and that indian team included dhoni,dravid,sachin,yuvi etc. He also lead this very inexperienced depleted team to wins in NZ and ODI wins in australia and england (although we didnt win some of those series but we won enough ODI matches)

If you need religion to unite a cricket team, what does that say about your captaincy and leadership qualities. Pakistan had some decent success under Inzamam between 2004-2007, but overall, the results were mix bag.

We lost both the Test series and ODI series to India at home in 2004 - it was the most high-profile and anticipated series in a long time. In 2006, we lost to India 4-1 at in ODIs at home. However, the ODI series win in India in 2005, and the 1-0 Test win at home in 2006 were excellent results. The 2007 World Cup was a complete disaster though.

It also gave the team a focus and togetherness that was missing for years. it was then attacked by the paksitani attaturk musharref and his stupid dentist naseem ashraf who helped destroy our team in 2007 just because they would pray and hada sense of togetherness. the excessive religiosity accusation was linked to PJ Mir who went to the carribean to explicity provide Mush attaturk with an excuse to attack the pakistan cricket team. to the extent where the PCB itself hardly supported the team after woolmers death. Much of this gossip was from PJ Mir. None of it was true.

I won't say that none of it was true, but I do agree that PJ Mir played a negative role. Some of his comments were uncalled for. However, blaming the World Cup debacle on him is a convenient excuse - we lost to West Indies because Inzamam opted to chase and then flopped with the bat, and we lost to Ireland because our batsmen including Inzamam couldn't handle the green wicket.

Religion is a private affair, but mingling too much with mullahs can be counterproductive. Most of them are lazy, impractical individuals who are not going to have a positive influence on the players.

not most of them some of them just like irreligious people who can be drunkards and drug users.

These drunkards and drug users are often more productive than most of these tableeghis who do nothing and leave their families at bay because "Allah rizak denay wala hai". If everyone follows their advice and goes on chilay, seh rozay and starts to spend time in Raiwind, who will run the country, and who will run the economy?

You were about 12 in those days but the ICL was not a tournament that was banned by the PCB. they were allowed to go there and then when the BCCI threatened to get rid of the ICL the pakistan players wanted their own board to stand with them not the BCCI. The PCB stood with the BCCI and banned their own players, including abul razzaq who had not retired. This effected our team immensely and was unneccessary. As soon as Razaaq came back we won the 2009 WC. Naseem Ashraf was given a small bone by teh BCCI and being a complete fool, blinded by his secular leader, he fell for it hook line and sinker. Why dont you mention him? oh of course you were probably playing with your toys in those days.

This is a cop-out on your front. Actually, I was 17 at that time. Anyway, I could have been 7 or I could have been 77. It doesn't matter. There is more than enough information available even for the future generations (who are not born yet) to come to the conclusion that pious Inzamam should not have taken half of the Pakistan team to ICL when it was not authorised by the ICC.

It doesn't matter if ICC succumbed to BCCI's pressure or Naseem Ashraf succumbed to BCCI's pressure. The fact is that ICL was not officially recognised and the players who were participating in it where putting their international careers at risk. Inzamam was retired, but he took active Pakistani players with him and put their careers on the line for his own benefit.

Your answer to everything is simple. Musharraf, PJ Mir, Naseem Ashraf, ICC, BCCI and everyone else is at fault, but Saint Inzamam is innocent.

More gossip. YK failed to manage his team. he caused a mutiny because he started dropping and willy nilly picking certain players. And then losing his rag when confronted. or not explaining his reasons. Then the clique lead by Malik akmal and co who co-opted Moyo who was angry at YK for dropping him against NZ, Moyo being the tableeghi asked Inzi bhai to mediate. that is all we know the rest is all gossip and hearsay. Moyo was made the captain for the aus series but the clique turned on him to get their man butt in the prime position ready for fixing. malik, akmal(s),wahab,umar amin, butt, were invovled with teh clique. We all knew about them. It wasnt a secret.

Yes Younis Khan was a poor man manager. The fact that he lost the dressing room only a few months after captaining the team to a WT20 title shows how poor his man management skills were. However, where there's smoke there's fire. Plenty of people have accused Inzamam of playing a negative role in the saga. There is no reason to believe that Saint Inzamam is innocent as a baby, considering his history. But of course, you have made up your mind that you will defend Saint Inzamam no matter what, so none of this matters to you.

Also, please quote properly next time. It is convenient for you reply within the quote and put it in bold, but it makes it very hard for others to reply.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] - why do you keep repeating this lie that the oath taking was hosted at Inzamam's house ?

Shoaib Malik himself admitted it was at Mohammed Yousuf's hotel room in Johannesburg.

As others have stated already, Ajmal and also Intikhab Alam (although I'm not sure) have highlighted Inzamam's role in the oath-gate. There is no reason to believe Ajmal/Intikhab over Malik or vice-versa, but looking at Inzamam's career and his actions at various point, it is difficult to come to the conclusion that he was innocent. Also, there must be a reason why he is regularly cited as a negative influence in the oath-gate. Why not Wasim, Waqar or anyone else?

This is the same Inzamam who was accused by Shahryar Khan of sidelining Misbah because the latter is a Barelvi. This may or may not be true, but I wonder why Inzamam is repeatedly accused by others. Clearly, there is more to his soft, innocent appearance than we think.

 

[Savak]

If Inzi is indeed playing a role in selecting the playing 11 for every game, then he should be man enough to come out in public, confirm it and accept responsibility

 

[topspin]

Inzamam has no business being in the UK and mingling with the team, especially if he is on PCB’s money. He is not part of the team management and he needs to pay for his own flights and accommodation etc.

He is one of Pakistan’s finest cricketers, but he is also one of the most toxic characters Pakistan has ever produced. PCB must ensure that he is not involved with Pakistan cricket in any capacity in the future.

Below are some of the reasons why he should be kept away from the team as far as possible:

(1) he corrupted a generation of Pakistani cricketers into thinking that fitness is not important as long as you are performing.

That attitude has slowly started to change because of awareness, but for years, coaches and players in domestic cricket as well as fans would routinely give his example to downplay the importance of fitness.

It was his influence that ensured that Pakistan were a good 10 years behind everyone in terms of focusing on fitness.

(2) He introduced a culture to tableegh into the dressing room. There was an overemphasis on religion that was not present before his captaincy. The tradition of doing sajdahs after centuries and 5-fers, praying together in training etc. were traditions that he introduced in our cricket.

Religion is a private affair, but mingling too much with mullahs can be counterproductive. Most of them are lazy, impractical individuals who are not going to have a positive influence on the players.

(3) In 2007, shortly after retiring, he took half of his loyalists to ICL, effectively derailing their careers. Within months of his final contract, he turned his back on PCB.

(4) He masterminded the grouping against Younis in 2009, and the players took oath in his house. He had no stake in PCB at that point. He was not a coach or a selector, but it was his toxic character that led to his involvement when he had no reason to poke his nose.

His seems like a harmless, soft teddy bear on the outside, but he is one of the most cunning and sly individuals around. As long as he is with the team in any capacity, there will be trouble.

POTW and I really hope [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] takes heed of this.

I will never forgive for how he corrupted Pakistan's cricketers, post-2000. His toxic influence is unfortunately still embedded in the team culture, especially concerning the overemphasis on religion and attitudes to fitness. Pakistan needs to secularise their cricket and diversify their source of players coming into the system.

His seems like a harmless, soft teddy bear on the outside, but he is one of the most cunning and sly individuals around. As long as he is with the team in any capacity, there will be trouble.

As for the above, I have to say truer words have never been spoken.

 

[KI_playa]

If Inzi is indeed playing a role in selecting the playing 11 for every game, then he should be man enough to come out in public, confirm it and accept responsibility

Micky Arthur’s tenure has not yet been extended and from what we hear he doesn’t have the confidence of the players. Sarfaraz clearly doesn’t have the full confidence of the team else there wouldn’t be this talk of groups (one led by Shoaib).

How else does one select the playing 11 then? Between these three Inzi probably has the most credibility with the players and therefore was playing a leading role in choice of playing 11, right or wrong. Call it a stop gap solution.

Unless the coach and captain have the confidence of the team, this was bound to happen.

 

[sunnykhan]

The same Saeed Ajmal that claimed an accident caused his bent elbow and him to chuck, and Basit Ali whose mental state everybody is aware of.

All of these ex-players have their agendas and come out with this half cooked nonsense.

However you want to place every sin of Pak cricket on Inzamam-ul-Haq and deflect from an unfit captain who carries belly and yawns while his bowlers get thrashed in a crunch game, then runs to his media buddies to leak stories against Mickey Arthur and Inzamam.

Ajmal's analogy about his elbow doesn't have anything to do with the incidents happened. I don't see any agenda here against Inzi.

Ajmal wasnt in the side then? so he has also heard gossip..but enough of this nonsense. We would not have won anything even if inzi wasnt a selector..there are deeper structural problems than a few selction changes.

Saaed was in the side. Please get your facts in order

 

[Zhasan]

Inzi is the polar opposite of smart. I remember once he said he didnt understand the run out rule..

This guy needs to go asap..

In his infamous words "I hit I get out, I no hit I get out" referring to taking evasive action against a throw...

This idiot left the crease to take evasive action and was run out...

 

[Zhasan]

YOu have 3 matches and 3 middle order collapses, filled with so-called experienced players Hafeez, Malik and Babar. The 2 are senior than the captain and have been used before tho oust strong captains before like Younis Khan.
No one can manage non-cricketing or political issues and Sarfaraz has shown he is not Imran Khan who can stamp his authority against the coach or chief selector.

If Imran wasn't a politically and bureaucratically connected member of the elite, he would have never made it into the national side, let alone stamp his authority over anyone...

 

[Zhasan]

As others have stated already, Ajmal and also Intikhab Alam (although I'm not sure) have highlighted Inzamam's role in the oath-gate. There is no reason to believe Ajmal/Intikhab over Malik or vice-versa, but looking at Inzamam's career and his actions at various point, it is difficult to come to the conclusion that he was innocent. Also, there must be a reason why he is regularly cited as a negative influence in the oath-gate. Why not Wasim, Waqar or anyone else?

This is the same Inzamam who was accused by Shahryar Khan of sidelining Misbah because the latter is a Barelvi. This may or may not be true, but I wonder why Inzamam is repeatedly accused by others. Clearly, there is more to his soft, innocent appearance than we think.

Inzamam and Younis never like each other there is a famous picture of them physically scuffuling in the 2003 WC, where as usual Inzi the supposed star batsman went missing...

Yousuf was out the side when the oath taking took place and everyone knew at the time, Inzi was the pesh Imam of that wretched oath...

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Inzamam has no business being in the UK and mingling with the team, especially if he is on PCB’s money. He is not part of the team management and he needs to pay for his own flights and accommodation etc.

He is one of Pakistan’s finest cricketers, but he is also one of the most toxic characters Pakistan has ever produced. PCB must ensure that he is not involved with Pakistan cricket in any capacity in the future.

Below are some of the reasons why he should be kept away from the team as far as possible:

(1) he corrupted a generation of Pakistani cricketers into thinking that fitness is not important as long as you are performing.

That attitude has slowly started to change because of awareness, but for years, coaches and players in domestic cricket as well as fans would routinely give his example to downplay the importance of fitness.

It was his influence that ensured that Pakistan were a good 10 years behind everyone in terms of focusing on fitness.

(2) He introduced a culture to tableegh into the dressing room. There was an overemphasis on religion that was not present before his captaincy. The tradition of doing sajdahs after centuries and 5-fers, praying together in training etc. were traditions that he introduced in our cricket.

Religion is a private affair, but mingling too much with mullahs can be counterproductive. Most of them are lazy, impractical individuals who are not going to have a positive influence on the players.

(3) In 2007, shortly after retiring, he took half of his loyalists to ICL, effectively derailing their careers. Within months of his final contract, he turned his back on PCB.

(4) He masterminded the grouping against Younis in 2009, and the players took oath in his house. He had no stake in PCB at that point. He was not a coach or a selector, but it was his toxic character that led to his involvement when he had no reason to poke his nose.

His seems like a harmless, soft teddy bear on the outside, but he is one of the most cunning and sly individuals around. As long as he is with the team in any capacity, there will be trouble.

From what I've heard he's back exercising his autocratic influence so much so that he is practically deciding the playing 11 like he used to when he was captain and used to sit down with Woolmer. Even Mickey and Sarfraz are apparently having trouble standing up to him.

 

[coy0607]

Obviously not - the Chief Selector's expertise should be to know domestic talent and scouting, so he can select the best 15 possible.

I don't see how a chief selector can pass judgement on playing 11. That should be up to the management that is actually on tour

But this is Pakistan and everything is upside down. It really shouldn't surprise anyone that Inzamam is overruling the captain on playing 11 decisions

 

[todfod 11]

Inzamam has no business being in the UK and mingling with the team, especially if he is on PCB’s money. He is not part of the team management and he needs to pay for his own flights and accommodation etc.

He is one of Pakistan’s finest cricketers, but he is also one of the most toxic characters Pakistan has ever produced. PCB must ensure that he is not involved with Pakistan cricket in any capacity in the future.

Below are some of the reasons why he should be kept away from the team as far as possible:

(1) he corrupted a generation of Pakistani cricketers into thinking that fitness is not important as long as you are performing.

That attitude has slowly started to change because of awareness, but for years, coaches and players in domestic cricket as well as fans would routinely give his example to downplay the importance of fitness.

It was his influence that ensured that Pakistan were a good 10 years behind everyone in terms of focusing on fitness.

(2) He introduced a culture to tableegh into the dressing room. There was an overemphasis on religion that was not present before his captaincy. The tradition of doing sajdahs after centuries and 5-fers, praying together in training etc. were traditions that he introduced in our cricket.

Religion is a private affair, but mingling too much with mullahs can be counterproductive. Most of them are lazy, impractical individuals who are not going to have a positive influence on the players.

(3) In 2007, shortly after retiring, he took half of his loyalists to ICL, effectively derailing their careers. Within months of his final contract, he turned his back on PCB.

(4) He masterminded the grouping against Younis in 2009, and the players took oath in his house. He had no stake in PCB at that point. He was not a coach or a selector, but it was his toxic character that led to his involvement when he had no reason to poke his nose.

His seems like a harmless, soft teddy bear on the outside, but he is one of the most cunning and sly individuals around. As long as he is with the team in any capacity, there will be trouble.

Every thing on point.. Religion is a private affair.... And inzimam has been toxic.

 

[Zhasan]

The same Saeed Ajmal that claimed an accident caused his bent elbow and him to chuck, and Basit Ali whose mental state everybody is aware of.

All of these ex-players have their agendas and come out with this half cooked nonsense.

However you want to place every sin of Pak cricket on Inzamam-ul-Haq and deflect from an unfit captain who carries belly and yawns while his bowlers get thrashed in a crunch game, then runs to his media buddies to leak stories against Mickey Arthur and Inzamam.

Yeah the same mentally unstable Basit Ali you falsely accused the two upstanding paragons of virtue and honesty Wasim Akram and Salim Malik of match fixing and was found to be categorically lying and was successfully sued by the latter two for defamation...

Wait that didn't come out right...

 

[MenInG]

How many Pakistani players have joined the Tableeghi Jamaat due to Inzi? Any stats on that? Or is this just people projecting their personal opinions on Islam using Inzi as a convenient shield? Seems that the same characters who post on TPS have found a nice outlet - Didnt realize that Tarek Fateh had so many followers here

Some rather basic opinions on this thread.

Leave Inzi's religion out of this debate - concentrate on what he has done or not done during his tenure.

 

[giri26]

Intikhab Alam also questioned the presence of chief selector Inzamam-ul-Haq in England and said it was the mistake of the PCB to allow him to stay in England on Board’s expense.

“Once the selection committee has selected the team, the captain and coach take over to select the playing eleven and decide on the tour matters,” said Intikhab. “So what is the role of Inzamam-ul-Haq there and why has the PCB allowed him to go on official visit and interfere,” he questioned.

He lamented that that surprisingly the Pakistani bowlers failed to pitch the balls in right areas and there were no yorkers sent down to the Indian batsmen.

Commenting on the media reports that Shoaib Malik, one of the senior most players in the Pakistan team, alongwith opener Imam-ul-Haq, Wahab Riaz and others broke the curfew time and were found in a shisha cafe late in the night, Intikhab said it should not have happened. “It is wrong as the players are on their national duty and there must be a discipline to be followed strictly,” he emphasised. “Though the PCB has claimed that the event happened two days before the crucial match against India, even then no one could justify the late stay of the players in a cafe as there are certain timings to be observed.

“The players could have their dinner at any hotel maximum by 11pm not beyond that. The PCB should hold an inquiry to penalise the players involved,” he demanded.

According to the media report the above said players remained in the cafe late 2am on Sunday. However, the PCB claimed it happened two days before the match against India and the time was wrongly reported as 2am as no curfew timing was flouted.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1488974/team-management-responsible-for-pakistans-poor-show-intikhab-alam

 

[IMMY69]

Inzi should be sitting in Pakistan, attending and watching over young talents being coached at the NCA.

The Last place he should be is in England, even if he isn't interfering.

With respect to his credentials as a chief selector, I was never in favour of appointing him.
He got lucky with the PSL and selected a few talented guys from there but I doubt he attends domestic games...

Also, not the best example to youngsters. We all know about his fitness levels and running between the wickets, but if I recall correctly, he only used to bat during practice. When he wasn't batting in the nets he was taking rest on a chair next to the nets.

 

[MenInG]

The Board, however, has strongly denied the claims, saying Inzamam's departure for England was delayed due to office procedures but it had been decided beforehand that he would travel to the UK and be involved in the selection process.

The PCB on Wednesday denied speculated rift between some players and coach Mickey Arthur, a day after a Pakistani news channel claimed that chief selector Inzamam-ul-Haq was sent to England to act as a peacemaker between the two ‘warring parties’.

The news channel also claimed that some players have lodged a complaint with the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) about the behaviour of Arthur and made it clear they were not going to accept the coach’s domination.

It further claimed that some players are not even on talking terms with the coach. The Board, however, has strongly denied the claims, saying Inzamam’s departure for England was delayed due to office procedures but it had been decided beforehand that he would travel to the UK and be involved in the selection process.

Interestingly, in Pakistan cricket, the norm has been that the selection committee picks up the touring squad and then a tour selection committee, including the captain, coach and at times the manager, finalises the playing XI before every match.


Therefore, Inzamam’s presence in England and his involvement in finalising the playing XI and getting involved in other team matters, has raised eyebrows.

In fact, many former players have criticised Inzamam’s interference in team affairs and termed it as an attempt to override the captain and coach.

A board official, speaking on condition of anonymity, expressed frustration at the many stories circulating in the Pakistan media since the team lost to Australia and India.

“It is sad because our team needs all the support it can get right now. That is why the board Chairman called up captain Sarfaraz (Ahmed) and encouraged him. Every time we do badly, such stories and speculations come out. When Pakistan won against England, there was no mention of rifts and problems and it has now started,” said the official.

But now Inzamam is no longer travelling with the team as his assignment ended after Pakistan’s match against India.

PCB chief Mani assures Pakistan team of full support

Even as fans, critics and former players continue to lash out at the national team’s performances in the ongoing World Cup, the Chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Ehsan Mani has assured captain Sarfaraz Ahmed of the board’s full support.

A PCB spokesman confirmed that Mani had called up Sarfaraz on Tuesday and spoken to him about the team and remaining matches of the World Cup.

“The Chairman assured Sarfaraz that the board and nation is behind the team and they should try to focus on the matches ahead and give their best,” said the spokesperson.

Mani apparently told Sarfaraz that the nation has faith in the team despite the defeats and wanted the players to bounce back strongly in remaining matches.

Pakistan has won just one match in five outings in the World Cup so far.

Mani will be going to England soon as a guest of the International Cricket Council (ICC) as he was the former chairman of the world body.

A reliable source in the government said that Prime Minister Imran Khan, a former Pakistan captain, is unhappy that despite his advice the team chose to field first against India.

Meanwhile, former captain Intikhab Alam, who was coach and manager of the Pakistan team in two World Cups, said he was concerned about reports that players were breaking curfew hours.

“I hope these reports are not true but the bottom line is that the team management has simply failed to prepare a comprehensive plan and a team for the World Cup.”

Alam said there was absence of any plan and strategy against the teams Pakistan had played against in the World Cup so far.

“It made no sense to me and how can the team management even try to justify bowling first against India is beyond me,” he said.

Alam also felt there was no need for the chief selector Inzamam-ul-Haq to travel to England before the World Cup and then get involved in team affairs including practice sessions, the selection of playing eleven and team discussions.

“Once the selectors have picked the touring squad and given it to the captain and management, I don’t think the selectors should be anywhere near the team. I think the PCB made a mistake in sending Inzamam to England officially and get involved in team matters,” said Alam.

PCB to review Pakistan’s performance in last three years after World Cup

The Pakistan Cricket Board will carry out a “robust review and analysis” of the performances of the national team and its support staff, including head coach Mickey Arthur, in the past three years after the World Cup.

The PCB Board of Governors which met in Lahore on Wednesday also agreed the team’s performance in the ICC Cricket World Cup 2019 to date has been below expectation.

Pakistan has won just one match in its five games in the World Cup so far.

The defeat to arch-rivals, India has led to a severe backlash in the country with fans, stalwarts and media backing an inquiry into the debacle.

The PCB said in a statement that the Board of Governors had a discussion on the Pakistan team’s recent performance across all formats.

But the members, with four matches remaining for Pakistan in the World Cup, also expressed faith, support, and confidence in the side, and hoped team will bounce back strongly and finish on a high.

“It was agreed, and as previously stated, following the World Cup 2019, the PCB will carry-out a robust review and analysis of the side’s and the team support personnel’s performances in the past three years and submit their recommendations to the Chairman and the BoG for their consideration,” the statement said.

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...rift-between-players-and-coach-mickey-arthur/

 

[Officer Barbrady]

Inzamam has no business being in the UK and mingling with the team, especially if he is on PCB’s money. He is not part of the team management and he needs to pay for his own flights and accommodation etc.

He is one of Pakistan’s finest cricketers, but he is also one of the most toxic characters Pakistan has ever produced. PCB must ensure that he is not involved with Pakistan cricket in any capacity in the future.

Below are some of the reasons why he should be kept away from the team as far as possible:

(1) he corrupted a generation of Pakistani cricketers into thinking that fitness is not important as long as you are performing.

That attitude has slowly started to change because of awareness, but for years, coaches and players in domestic cricket as well as fans would routinely give his example to downplay the importance of fitness.

It was his influence that ensured that Pakistan were a good 10 years behind everyone in terms of focusing on fitness.

(2) He introduced a culture to tableegh into the dressing room. There was an overemphasis on religion that was not present before his captaincy. The tradition of doing sajdahs after centuries and 5-fers, praying together in training etc. were traditions that he introduced in our cricket.

Religion is a private affair, but mingling too much with mullahs can be counterproductive. Most of them are lazy, impractical individuals who are not going to have a positive influence on the players.

(3) In 2007, shortly after retiring, he took half of his loyalists to ICL, effectively derailing their careers. Within months of his final contract, he turned his back on PCB.

(4) He masterminded the grouping against Younis in 2009, and the players took oath in his house. He had no stake in PCB at that point. He was not a coach or a selector, but it was his toxic character that led to his involvement when he had no reason to poke his nose.

His seems like a harmless, soft teddy bear on the outside, but he is one of the most cunning and sly individuals around. As long as he is with the team in any capacity, there will be trouble.

Agree this is the post of the month. I had forgotten about Inzi’s involvement with the ICL.

 

[Zhasan]

The infamous Inzi Younis fight, clearly Inzi is attacking Younis who has his back to the former and trying to get away, no wonder Inzi led the rebellion against Younis.

 

[amvbfm]

Inzamam has no business being in the UK and mingling with the team, especially if he is on PCB’s money. He is not part of the team management and he needs to pay for his own flights and accommodation etc.

He is one of Pakistan’s finest cricketers, but he is also one of the most toxic characters Pakistan has ever produced. PCB must ensure that he is not involved with Pakistan cricket in any capacity in the future.

Below are some of the reasons why he should be kept away from the team as far as possible:

(1) he corrupted a generation of Pakistani cricketers into thinking that fitness is not important as long as you are performing.

That attitude has slowly started to change because of awareness, but for years, coaches and players in domestic cricket as well as fans would routinely give his example to downplay the importance of fitness.

It was his influence that ensured that Pakistan were a good 10 years behind everyone in terms of focusing on fitness.

(2) He introduced a culture to tableegh into the dressing room. There was an overemphasis on religion that was not present before his captaincy. The tradition of doing sajdahs after centuries and 5-fers, praying together in training etc. were traditions that he introduced in our cricket.

Religion is a private affair, but mingling too much with mullahs can be counterproductive. Most of them are lazy, impractical individuals who are not going to have a positive influence on the players.

(3) In 2007, shortly after retiring, he took half of his loyalists to ICL, effectively derailing their careers. Within months of his final contract, he turned his back on PCB.

(4) He masterminded the grouping against Younis in 2009, and the players took oath in his house. He had no stake in PCB at that point. He was not a coach or a selector, but it was his toxic character that led to his involvement when he had no reason to poke his nose.

His seems like a harmless, soft teddy bear on the outside, but he is one of the most cunning and sly individuals around. As long as he is with the team in any capacity, there will be trouble.

Totally agree with Mamoon about Inzi's negative influence. Hidden behind his apparent simplicity and clumsiness is a pretty sharp brain with an evil bent. He loves having authority and being a dictator. Also there is absolutely no reason for him to be with the team. If he has been sent as a mediator between the coach and players then the PCB management is a terrible judge of character.

 

[MenInG]

How many Pakistani players have joined the Tableeghi Jamaat due to Inzi? Any stats on that? Or is this just people projecting their personal opinions on Islam using Inzi as a convenient shield? Seems that the same characters who post on TPS have found a nice outlet - Didnt realize that Tarek Fateh had so many followers here

Some rather basic opinions on this thread.

Leave Inzi's religion out of this debate - concentrate on what he has done or not done during his tenure.

Once again....

 

[aukhan]

Inzi is a politician and man with no integrity. Time and time again he has proved to be a snake.

Players named in Justice Qayum's commission should never be employed by PCB. Kab samaj ayegi!


He deserves the abuses for his interference in playing 11.

 

[MenInG]

Inzi is a politician and man with no integrity. Time and time again he has proved to be a snake.

Players named in Justice Qayum's commission should never be employed by PCB. Kab samaj ayegi!


He deserves the abuses for his interference in playing 11.

Keep his religion out of it.

 

[Bilal7]

Yes, the Chief Selector should be doing all he can to help the team succeed in the World Cup, especially if he happens to be one of our best batsmen. Inzamam is basically doing the job of the batting coach without asking for extra pay and anyone who sees anything wrong with this either has an agenda against the man or does not realize the importance of being proactive in a management role.

The infamous Inzi Younis fight, clearly Inzi is attacking Younis who has his back to the former and trying to get away, no wonder Inzi led the rebellion against Younis.

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I'm sorry for singling out your post but these baseless accusations need to stop. One of the players involved in the rebellion against Younis - Shoaib Malik - admitted himself that the oath-taking took place at Yousuf's hotel-room, not Inzamam's house. The team was on tour when this whole business was going on so unless our cricketers have access to a time-machine as well as the fountain of youth, it is ridiculous to keep peddling this rumor that was spread by someone who was not present at the oath-taking and is also pretty unreliable. Inzamam had no stake in the team after his retirement, he was busy with tableegh.

 

[Bilal7]

Also, the selection committee and the team management need to work on squad selection and team selection together during every series and tournament. Failure to do so will only result in the clashing of ideas and will lead to a confused group of players playing for their survival. If the idea is to select someone like Mohammad Hafeez for one of the middle-order spots, both the selectors and coaches should be onboard with this decision so that Hafeez actually bats in the middle and isn't made to open, effectively rendering the backup opener completely useless and leaving the squad thin on options for the middle-order.

 

[saeedhk]

Inzi is just there to ensure automatic selection doesn’t get dropped. And PCB is paying for his vacation.

 

[Savak]

Inzi was sent by the PCB to mediate between Mickey Arthur and the team after tensions developed during the England ODI series. That should have been his only role, the PCB should not have given him the authority to decide the playing 11, that is strictly the domain of the captain.

 

[Mamoon]

Also, the selection committee and the team management need to work on squad selection and team selection together during every series and tournament. Failure to do so will only result in the clashing of ideas and will lead to a confused group of players playing for their survival. If the idea is to select someone like Mohammad Hafeez for one of the middle-order spots, both the selectors and coaches should be onboard with this decision so that Hafeez actually bats in the middle and isn't made to open, effectively rendering the backup opener completely useless and leaving the squad thin on options for the middle-order.

You will always defend Inzamam no matter what, but a "selector" has no business influence the playing XI or which player is played where. His job is to select the team and he has done that already. Who plays when and where is the decision of Sarfraz and Arthur.

Inzamam has no business being in England in the first place, and I hope he is on his personal finances (which I doubt) because there is no justification for his presence in England on PCB's money. He is not part of the team management. Also, he is the only selector who appears to be hanging around in the dressing room. I don't think the Chief Selectors of other countries are accompanying the team. Inzamam was, is and always will be a negative influence and he needs to be kept away from the team at all costs.

 

[Surya Kiran]

I think it is a norm these days for chief selector to be on tour for ICC Events. Incase of an injury happening and also watching "A" team play shadow tours.

 

[Bilal7]

You will always defend Inzamam no matter what, but a "selector" has no business influence the playing XI or which player is played where. His job is to select the team and he has done that already. Who plays when and where is the decision of Sarfraz and Arthur.

Inzamam has no business being in England in the first place, and I hope he is on his personal finances (which I doubt) because there is no justification for his presence in England on PCB's money. He is not part of the team management. Also, he is the only selector who appears to be hanging around in the dressing room. I don't think the Chief Selectors of other countries are accompanying the team. Inzamam was, is and always will be a negative influence and he needs to be kept away from the team at all costs.

I don't understand why you bothered typing up a paragraph explaining the differing roles of the selector and coach. I am well aware of how things are, my point however is that this is a flawed strategy and the selectors and coaches should work together on all aspects of team selection. It does seem like the PCB is moving in that direction with news of Sarfaraz and Arthur requesting certain players to be selected and their requests being approved by Inzamam. His being more involved with the team than any other CS is a credit to him and part of the reason why he's the best that Pakistan have ever had. He's not just doing his job very well, he's taking the initiative and finding new ways to help the team out.

Given that Inzamam is in England to help the team, his travel being covered by the PCB is completely justified. Apart from the lies that you've been peddling about Inzamam and the oath-gate, there is nothing to suggest that he's been anything but a positive influence on the Pakistan cricket team, ever since he matured and got over the anger issues that plagued his youth. His captaincy was what kept the likes of Yousuf, Younis, Afridi, Kaneria and Akhtar together in the same dressing-room. We all saw how everything went to hell once Inzi retired and these guys were left on their own. For all your secular seething about "tableegh", none of the players have ever come out to complain about Inzamam forcing them to do anything. Not even Kaneria or the party-boy, Shoaib Akhtar. In fact, Inzamam remains one of the most respected formed players in Pakistan cricket, probably even more than Imran ever since 'kuptaan' took a dive into politics.

Inzamam is the man that forfeited a test match because his team were accused of cheating. That tells you everything about his sense of honor and how seriously he takes his integrity. You can keep posting all the bull that you want but like always, none of that is backed up with facts.