Should the PCB issue a public statement saying that the WC game vs India is pending govt approval?

[msb314]

Whether we choose to forfeit the group stage game against India - that decision needs to be made soon. But I think in the meantime - the PCB should issue a public statement that ultimately the decision to play India in the WC is now entirely in the hands of our government and hence pending approval.

This way we can stay on the fence as the drama around us unfolds but also let’s the BCCI know that we reserve the right to forfeit the WC game against India as much as they do.

The decision can ultimately be made after a while.

Thoughts?

 

[Abdullah719]

Why?

They are the ones all hot and bothered about this. We aren't.

 

[msb314]

Why?

They are the ones all hot and bothered about this. We aren't.

Staying silent shows weakness and indecisiveness and the fact that we aren’t bothered about this fiasco is a sign of concern . Let the BCCI know that our decision to pay against India in the WC is purely political too.

 

[CricVet]

No we should not. Our prime minister has a huge respect in the cricket world as well. We don't have to employ "OCHAY HATKUNDAY" as our sorry neighbors.

 

[Destroyer88]

Pcb needs to remain professional in all of this and let ICC handle BCCI's childish antics. PCB can sit back and laugh at their stupidity. No need to stoop at their bakht level

 

[msb314]

No we should not. Our prime minister has a huge respect in the cricket world as well. We don't have to employ "OCHAY HATKUNDAY" as our sorry neighbors.

So much respect that the state cricket boards in India took down his photo in a heartbeat..

Cricket is not run on respect but on action and decisiveness - which is exactly what we must do...

 

[msb314]

Pcb needs to remain professional in all of this and let ICC handle BCCI's childish antics. PCB can sit back and laugh at their stupidity. No need to stoop at their bakht level

Asking the ICC to handle the BCCI is like asking the blind to lead the blind.

Frankly - my trust level of the ICC is at an all-time low and I am extremely wary of being screwed by them again...

We must make a statement and let the ICC and BCCI know that we also have a few tricks up our sleeves if push comes to shove...

 

[silentkiller187]

no need to say anything, they have the issue not us.when the ICC issues a formal statement we can then react. Let them embarrass themselves.

 

[CricVet]

So much respect that the state cricket boards in India took down his photo in a heartbeat..

Cricket is not run on respect but on action and decisiveness - which is exactly what we must do...

I guess you must exhibited your maturity. It is Indians that are showing their class and NO ONE else.

 

[CricVet]

I guess u have...

 

[Chokli]

jeez mate, you're still going on about this.

you're being more petty than the indians

 

[Snowflake]

It is a World cup. We shouldn't care what one country does or doesn't do. Our goal should be to win the tournament. There are 8 other teams that we can worry about.

 

[Sirris]

Staying silent shows weakness and indecisiveness and the fact that we aren’t bothered about this fiasco is a sign of concern . Let the BCCI know that our decision to pay against India in the WC is purely political too.

Our reason to play the scheduled match against India isnt political, it should be purely sports based. When a kid starts throwing tantrum for whatever reasons and wants your attention then ignoring it and moving on as usual is the sign of strength. We shouldn't be mixing sports with politics and aspire to be heros of oppressed Kashmiris by winning a world cup match against India. Such thinking would drag us down to the silly level of most Indians.

There is no need for Pakistan cricket to respond to India's threat of forfeiting the match. We will see what happens when the big day arrives just like the rest of the world. Meanwhile the Indian's can hold among themselves as much consultation as they wish. Nothing for us to be bothered about.

 

[Major]

Pakistan doesnt have to say anything.

Because the situtation is against India not Pakistan.

Whatever India does, it will be a win win situation for Pakistan.

India can't pull out of the world cup as they could face a ban
They can forfeit the match, but they will not only have to bare a heavy fine, but world cup win streak of India will be broken. And trust, the reason why India won't forfeit is because of this record. They dont wanna lose this record on a forfeit.

All Pakistan has to do is play a match thats it.

Its a win win situation for Pakistan, they have nothing to lose here.

All Pakistan has to do is that they have to show they came to play a match but opponent did not show up thats it.

If PCB gives any indication that they would also not be coming or PCB gives a statement that the decision to play India is in the hands of our govt, then boom. BCCI will make a case against us and we are gone, just like the MOU case.

THing is, BCCI hasn't made any official statement, if we make statesment like in the OP, then BCCI will complain to ICC that we are the trouble makers.

All PCB has to do is just keep their mouths shut thats it.

 

[msb314]

I guess you must exhibited your maturity. It is Indians that are showing their class and NO ONE else.

Maturity is also communicating at the right time regarding our stance.

No one is asking for drastic action or anything like that yet - but we must let everyone know that our cricket administration is also accountable to our government and we WILL abide by their stance and direction.

 

[msb314]

jeez mate, you're still going on about this.

you're being more petty than the indians

Not being petty at all.

PCB clearly just needs to communicate our stance and how we will abide by our governments direction.

 

[msb314]

no need to say anything, they have the issue not us.when the ICC issues a formal statement we can then react. Let them embarrass themselves.

Why do we always have to be in "reacting" mode?

Why can we not be proactive and let the world know regarding our stance and ultimately who we are accountable to?

Secondly - you are awaiting an ICC statement but keep in mind that in might not be in our favor. BCCI has a lot of influence in the ICC and they can make a lot of stuff happen with some phone calls and financial threats. If we don't fight for oursevles and portray a strong image - no one else will side by us and we will slip further into the abyss.

Time to face the reality!

 

[gazza619]

Pakistan should just keep calm and go about its business.

 

[Azzurri]

Lol why?? It's their issue not ours. Let them do what they want we have no problem

 

[msb314]

Pakistan doesnt have to say anything.

Because the situtation is against India not Pakistan.

Whatever India does, it will be a win win situation for Pakistan.

India can't pull out of the world cup as they could face a ban
They can forfeit the match, but they will not only have to bare a heavy fine, but world cup win streak of India will be broken. And trust, the reason why India won't forfeit is because of this record. They dont wanna lose this record on a forfeit.

All Pakistan has to do is play a match thats it.

Its a win win situation for Pakistan, they have nothing to lose here.

All Pakistan has to do is that they have to show they came to play a match but opponent did not show up thats it.

If PCB gives any indication that they would also not be coming or PCB gives a statement that the decision to play India is in the hands of our govt, then boom. BCCI will make a case against us and we are gone, just like the MOU case.

THing is, BCCI hasn't made any official statement, if we make statesment like in the OP, then BCCI will complain to ICC that we are the trouble makers.

All PCB has to do is just keep their mouths shut thats it.

First of all - BCCI has the power and influence within the ICC to absorb these "bans" and "fines" and continue on as normal as if nothing happened. Unfortunately we are not at that level yet. Hence - why these options were even bought up during the BCCI and the CoA meeting today. Banning Pakistan from the WC is a long stretch but they can still inflict of damage if they wanted to do. It is in our best interest to send a strong message to the ICC and BCCI that we will not back down meekly.

BCCI has ABSOLUTELY NO case against us if we claim that the decision to play against anyone is in the hands of our government. That has ALWAYS been the case for the PCB and the BCCI. Making such a statement is not wrong in any sense of the word. We are not threatening or taking any decisive action yet - just merely stating the political nature of the situation at hand. If the BCCI sues us for this and we somehow lose - we might as well quit the ICC altogether

 

[msb314]

Our reason to play the scheduled match against India isnt political, it should be purely sports based. When a kid starts throwing tantrum for whatever reasons and wants your attention then ignoring it and moving on as usual is the sign of strength. We shouldn't be mixing sports with politics and aspire to be heros of oppressed Kashmiris by winning a world cup match against India. Such thinking would drag us down to the silly level of most Indians.

There is no need for Pakistan cricket to respond to India's threat of forfeiting the match. We will see what happens when the big day arrives just like the rest of the world. Meanwhile the Indian's can hold among themselves as much consultation as they wish. Nothing for us to be bothered about.

We must come to terms with reality and accept that sports will ALWAYS be mixed with politics especially in the subcontinent. It has been that way since forever yet we continue to choose to be ignorant with the political nature of world cricket [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] [MENTION=148442]Farhan93[/MENTION]

I don't see why not that we can't respond to India's threats. There are very little ties remaining between us anyway so we won't lose much - besides by asking for govt approval we are not threatening anyone anyway.. Let the world know that we can drag the India-Pak game into a political mess if we have to. Make a strong statement so that everyone how we are capable of responding if they choose to engage with us.

 

[TalhaSyed]

We must come to terms with reality and accept that sports will ALWAYS be mixed with politics especially in the subcontinent. It has been that way since forever yet we continue to choose to be ignorant with the political nature of world cricket [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] [MENTION=148442]Farhan93[/MENTION]

What?

This whole time I have been saying "the political climate will always have an impact on sporting ties", meanwhile you have been asking for "both boards to agree to maintain cricket ties regardless of the political climate".

Now - after all that - you are wanting us to use cricket as a political tool and show the world that we are happy to "drag cricket into this political mess" and are claiming that we are "ignorant to the political nature of world cricket"....?

...what?

 

[msb314]

What?

This whole time I have been saying "the political climate will always have an impact on sporting ties", meanwhile you have been asking for "both boards to agree to maintain cricket ties regardless of the political climate".

Now - after all that - you are wanting us to use cricket as a political tool and show the world that we are happy to "drag cricket into this political mess" and are claiming that we are "ignorant to the political nature of world cricket"....?

...what?

I think you misunderstood me so let me make it clearer...

There should NEVER be political interference in sports - absolutely NEVER... It sets a dangerous precedent where athletes, sporting teams, sponsors, broadcasting companies all get wrapped up in government politics when they just a small peck of sand in a mighty desert i.e. they do not impact political decision making at all.

However... we would be naive to ignore the realities of the modern world. For example - the ACB accused us of harboring terrorism and cut off cricketing ties with us And of course we all know the antics of the BCCI. A game and a dangerous path that should never have been exploited - already have and for many years now yet the PCB continues to keep its head in the sand.

We must indulge in political statements and point scoring just like everyone else and let the ICC, BCCi and the entire world know where we stand and how we can retaliate to anyone else's aggression. Again - this should never have happened in the first place but now that it has - we need to get in touch with reality or the public perception of the PCB will forever be seen as meek and being indecisiveness.

In the other thread - I meant to say that only if the BCCI agrees to divert away from political decision making should we engage with them at all in terms of having cricketing ties. Otherwise - we can keep the status quo and respond with a *** for tat strategy.

 

[Jingaaru]

Pcb needs to remain professional in all of this and let ICC handle BCCI's childish antics. PCB can sit back and laugh at their stupidity. No need to stoop at their bakht level

And who looked stupid when PCB waited and ICC banned SARFARAZ. There is a big difference between being professional and being indecisive whick then makes someone look stupid.

 

[Jingaaru]

PCB will just wait nd watch. They tried to be smart in that MOU saga and paid the price. Now even when there will be a need then also they wont show up. So its said that PICK UR BATTLES.

 

[Abdul Moiz]

No need to as of now and lets see how next ICC meeting goes on which is scheduled on 27th and PCB should come up with a calculated strong response in the meeting.

 

[msb314]

And who looked stupid when PCB waited and ICC banned SARFARAZ. There is a big difference between being professional and being indecisive whick then makes someone look stupid.

Spot on

 

[msb314]

PCB will just wait nd watch. They tried to be smart in that MOU saga and paid the price. Now even when there will be a need then also they wont show up. So its said that PICK UR BATTLES.

The MOU case was different in which the PCB launched a legal case against the BCCI.

Here - I am advocating that the PCB should let everyone know that the decision to play India requires mandatory government approval. No decision have been taken so neither the ICC or the BCCI can complain or take any legal action whilst it lets everyone else know that we can create a political road-map as well to combat this situation.

 

[msb314]

No need to as of now and lets see how next ICC meeting goes on which is scheduled on 27th and PCB should come up with a calculated strong response in the meeting.

That is a reasonable milestone but the longer we wait - it will make us seem weaker and reactive rather than proactive.

 

[MenInG]

PCB has many other things to worry about unlike BCCI.

This is not their priority.

 

[msb314]

PCB has many other things to worry about unlike BCCI.

This is not their priority.

What else could be a larger priority for the PCB right now?

 

[Major]

First of all - BCCI has the power and influence within the ICC to absorb these "bans" and "fines" and continue on as normal as if nothing happened. Unfortunately we are not at that level yet. Hence - why these options were even bought up during the BCCI and the CoA meeting today. Banning Pakistan from the WC is a long stretch but they can still inflict of damage if they wanted to do. It is in our best interest to send a strong message to the ICC and BCCI that we will not back down meekly.

BCCI has ABSOLUTELY NO case against us if we claim that the decision to play against anyone is in the hands of our government. That has ALWAYS been the case for the PCB and the BCCI. Making such a statement is not wrong in any sense of the word. We are not threatening or taking any decisive action yet - just merely stating the political nature of the situation at hand. If the BCCI sues us for this and we somehow lose - we might as well quit the ICC altogether

oh bhai, when laws are violated then no power can save you.

If BCCI doesnt play the world cup, they get a ban.
They forfeit, they lose 2 points, get a fine and even lose their record. And that record is really important to them.

and if Pakistan makes a statement like you have posted, then we are in trouble. To us layman, these words have little meaning, but if they are taken in court, BCCI could make a case out of it and could even end up forcing us to pay a fine

 

[Major]

The MOU case was different in which the PCB launched a legal case against the BCCI.

Here - I am advocating that the PCB should let everyone know that the decision to play India requires mandatory government approval. No decision have been taken so neither the ICC or the BCCI can complain or take any legal action whilst it lets everyone else know that we can create a political road-map as well to combat this situation.

you are not really advocating a discussion here, you just thought of something and just trying to force this down.

PCB doing this creates problem for PCB. Because if taken to court, BCCI or even ICC could make a case that PCB is trying to jeopardize the world cup.

ICC doesn't care about govt approval bullcrap in tournaments, legal action could be taken.
Pakistan will have to bare a heavy useless fine.

 

[TalhaSyed]

I think you misunderstood me so let me make it clearer...

There should NEVER be political interference in sports - absolutely NEVER... It sets a dangerous precedent where athletes, sporting teams, sponsors, broadcasting companies all get wrapped up in government politics when they just a small peck of sand in a mighty desert i.e. they do not impact political decision making at all.

However... we would be naive to ignore the realities of the modern world. For example - the ACB accused us of harboring terrorism and cut off cricketing ties with us And of course we all know the antics of the BCCI. A game and a dangerous path that should never have been exploited - already have and for many years now yet the PCB continues to keep its head in the sand.

We must indulge in political statements and point scoring just like everyone else and let the ICC, BCCi and the entire world know where we stand and how we can retaliate to anyone else's aggression. Again - this should never have happened in the first place but now that it has - we need to get in touch with reality or the public perception of the PCB will forever be seen as meek and being indecisiveness.

In the other thread - I meant to say that only if the BCCI agrees to divert away from political decision making should we engage with them at all in terms of having cricketing ties. Otherwise - we can keep the status quo and respond with a *** for tat strategy.

In an ideal world - yup I agree 100% - sports, music, art, movies, food etc. should only be used as a force to bring people together. In the real world - again - I agree 100% that all these things are inevitably influenced by politics, as I've been saying off the bat.

Having said that - what does Pakistan, PCB or cricketers have to gain by indulding in political statements? Genuinely speaking - who cares? BCCI and cricketers have been running their mouth and all they have done is become a laughing stock of the world with no one really caring about what they are saying. Why should we lower ourselves to that standard?

The only people to make any comment on the matter other than the BCCI are the ICC who basically just said "nah everything will be fine - we don't need to change the world cup". Essentially dismissing any claims and bravado shown by the BCCI and humiliating them further.

Why would we want that to happen to us?

 

[msb314]

In an ideal world - yup I agree 100% - sports, music, art, movies, food etc. should only be used as a force to bring people together. In the real world - again - I agree 100% that all these things are inevitably influenced by politics, as I've been saying off the bat.

Having said that - what does Pakistan, PCB or cricketers have to gain by indulding in political statements? Genuinely speaking - who cares? BCCI and cricketers have been running their mouth and all they have done is become a laughing stock of the world with no one really caring about what they are saying. Why should we lower ourselves to that standard?

The only people to make any comment on the matter other than the BCCI are the ICC who basically just said "nah everything will be fine - we don't need to change the world cup". Essentially dismissing any claims and bravado shown by the BCCI and humiliating them further.

Why would we want that to happen to us?

You placing in awful lot of trust in the hands of the ICC that they will completely rule in our favor without a second thought.

However - history has taught us that the ICC has screwed us over multiple times. Most notably during the MOU case when our verbal agreement with the BCCI was discarded in a heartbeat and we lost the case in humiliating fashion. BCCi continues to have a lot of influence over the ICC and I would not be surprised one bit if they are strong arming the ICC to isolate Pakistan as we speak. That is why the PCB must make a strong aggressive statement directly addressing the BCCI that we are simply having none of it and they have crossed the line - you can word it however you want but the BCCI will understand the implications of their actions.

If we continue to do nothing and hope the BCCI "make a fool out of themselves" - we will be pushed and shoved away just like always...

 

[msb314]

oh bhai, when laws are violated then no power can save you.

If BCCI doesnt play the world cup, they get a ban.
They forfeit, they lose 2 points, get a fine and even lose their record. And that record is really important to them.

and if Pakistan makes a statement like you have posted, then we are in trouble. To us layman, these words have little meaning, but if they are taken in court, BCCI could make a case out of it and could even end up forcing us to pay a fine

you are not really advocating a discussion here, you just thought of something and just trying to force this down.

PCB doing this creates problem for PCB. Because if taken to court, BCCI or even ICC could make a case that PCB is trying to jeopardize the world cup.

ICC doesn't care about govt approval bullcrap in tournaments, legal action could be taken.
Pakistan will have to bare a heavy useless fine.

Sorry I'm struggling to understand but what would ICC/BCCI take legal action for?

There is nothing wrong with suggesting that we need government approval to play India. As our Prime Minister is the patron of the PCB - PCB is actually government entity and we need government approval when dealing with India. More so now than ever before given the current political climate.

Such a statement says we simply are going through a bureaucratic process. Nothing more and nothing less and it has no legal meaning whatsoever. We have not made any decisions yet and are not even directly addressing the BCCI. There are no legal grounds for a lawsuit or fine and such a lawsuit will get discarded in a heart beat.

 

[khan_aa]

PCB just needs to stay quiet and watch this drama.

Everyone knows that there is no basis to isolate Pakistan, because Pakistan already denied any involvement in this attack. It was conducted by an Indian National.

BCCI will provide entertainment to all of us over the next 4 months.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

PCB should stay absolutely quiet and not get involved in the drama. All this buzz is cringeworthy. Terrorism is an unfortunate event but happens everywhere on the globe.

 

[TalhaSyed]

You placing in awful lot of trust in the hands of the ICC that they will completely rule in our favor without a second thought.

However - history has taught us that the ICC has screwed us over multiple times. Most notably during the MOU case when our verbal agreement with the BCCI was discarded in a heartbeat and we lost the case in humiliating fashion. BCCi continues to have a lot of influence over the ICC and I would not be surprised one bit if they are strong arming the ICC to isolate Pakistan as we speak. That is why the PCB must make a strong aggressive statement directly addressing the BCCI that we are simply having none of it and they have crossed the line - you can word it however you want but the BCCI will understand the implications of their actions.

If we continue to do nothing and hope the BCCI "make a fool out of themselves" - we will be pushed and shoved away just like always...

The BCCI have alot of influence over the ICC - but that's not gonna change by us running our mouths.

As for the above argument - that all falls apart when you come to the part in bold - "verbal agreement".

A verbal agreement is worth nothing and means nothing.

Having said that - expecting anything more than a verbal agreement from BCCI would be naive.

 

[big_gamer007]

Staying silent shows weakness and indecisiveness and the fact that we aren’t bothered about this fiasco is a sign of concern . Let the BCCI know that our decision to pay against India in the WC is purely political too.

So basically everyone here is after the BCCI/Indian government for mixing sports and politics. Now you want PCB to do the same because if they don't do it they are showing weakness?
If you accept PCB should do it then you should accept that what indian government and BCCI is doing is also acceptable. Do you accept that?

Or are you a hypocrite who will out the excuse since Indian government/BCCI started it we can also do it, we doing it won't make it wrong?.

 

[msb314]

So basically everyone here is after the BCCI/Indian government for mixing sports and politics. Now you want PCB to do the same because if they don't do it they are showing weakness?
If you accept PCB should do it then you should accept that what indian government and BCCI is doing is also acceptable. Do you accept that?

Or are you a hypocrite who will out the excuse since Indian government/BCCI started it we can also do it, we doing it won't make it wrong?.

You can call me a hypocrite or whatever you want but the reality is that cricket has always been an extension of international politics in the subcontinent yet the PCB has continued to bury its head in the sand pretending that "sports is above all else".

If the ACB and the BCCI chooses to indulge in politics with regards to running their cricket administration - PCB reserves the right to do the same.//

 

[Asim_khan]

I recall a gentleman who lived on my street who used to bark back at a neighbours overly excited dog.

I don't wanna see the PCB do that.

 

[big_gamer007]

You can call me a hypocrite or whatever you want but the reality is that cricket has always been an extension of international politics in the subcontinent yet the PCB has continued to bury its head in the sand pretending that "sports is above all else".

If the ACB and the BCCI chooses to indulge in politics with regards to running their cricket administration - PCB reserves the right to do the same.//

If you want PCB to indulge in politics then you have no right to call BCCI out for doing it.

If someone commits a murder it doesnt give you the right to murder as well. The person who initially committed the murder should be punished for his crime.

What BCCI, politicians, new outlets in recent times have been successful in doing is turn even the most rational and tolerant people have animosity against India.. Atleast thats what I could see from reading some posters post who used to be very balanced posters with pro India views..

Don't fall in that trap

 

[Green Patriot]

For God's sake no.
We need to do nothing.For once the PCB is doing the right thing by keeping their mouths shut.

First we are not the ones who have an issue,they do and secondly why should we even show that we care even a little bit,its giving India the attention it doesn't deserve.

Let them expose themselves for whatever they do it wont affect us anyways.If they forfeit,cool we win 2 free points.
If they dont it shows they are weak and indecisive and it doesn't affect us because we are originally playing them anyways.

So for once let's do the right thing and that is to not give it a damn.

 

[Syed1]

The best response is to beat them on the field. Getting into a war of words will not be good.



Imagine how much they will burn if we beat them and end their streak and also rub salt on wounds.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

The best response is to beat them on the field. Getting into a war of words will not be good.



Imagine how much they will burn if we beat them and end their streak and also rub salt on wounds.

Action speaks louder than words indeed

 

[msb314]

Action speaks louder than words indeed

Not when the action has nothing to do with the words being spoken...

 

[msb314]

The best response is to beat them on the field. Getting into a war of words will not be good.



Imagine how much they will burn if we beat them and end their streak and also rub salt on wounds.

Why not? What do we have to lose by it?

 

[Savak]

The only public statements the PCB should issue to the BCCI is "Screw you" or "Suck on this"

 

[msb314]

The only public statements the PCB should issue to the BCCI is "Screw you" or "Suck on this"

After the incidents of today - the pressure to boycott the India game will be even greater on the PCB and the Pakistan govt.