Should the series against the West Indies be Mohammad Amir's last chance?

[Syed1]

Amir since his come back


22 wickets
Average of 30.90
economy of 5.25

In that same period

Hasan Ali

23 wickets
average 30.17
economy 6.05

AGRESSIVE Riaz

9 wickets

average 64
economy 6.19



Amir has been average and below expectations, but people forget this is a line up that had anwar ali and bilawal bhatti not long ago


To say he should be dropped in more frustations coming out over the fact he hasnt come back World Class

Amir hasn't been at his previous best but to claim Hasan and Wahab have done better than him is mind-numbingly stupid.

As you have shown with numbers yet again that the opinion of folks who strut around as some sort of experts should be taken with a bucket of salt.

Well done

This will go a long way in shutting up some posters.

 

[Mamoon]

see we are making progress here. base Amir's performance on his performance. there are nutty fans for all sorts of cricketers and sportsmen. You don't say I hate how Jack performed today..you know why? because his fans think he is the best. a common sense approach is to say. I dont care what his fans say, I think Jack's performance could have been better

Only if Jack's fans were as nosy as Amir's. Players have their fans, but Amir's are without a doubt the most annoying in today's cricket. They are reaching the level of Sachin fans of yesteryears, who are at your throat if you don't share their belief that Amir has been sent from the heavens.

In general, it is not possible to have a conversation with Amir fans because they refuse to listen to reasoning. It is a perfectly reasonable belief that if Amir's performance doesn't pick up soon, he should be dropped. The time has come for him to start performing now, and he cannot get a free ride forever based on what he can do rather than what he is doing right now.

 

[PakHammer]

He should be dropped, bad karma. Soon as he comes back, our Fast bowling unit turns rubbish after bowling pretty well in the 20/20's.

He is not a popular member of the team and it shows.

 

[PennOne]

He is the go to bowler. Not Hasan. And right now he is not delivering that role

That is a True Fact. Amir has some issues. he is bowling too many outside the off stump balls for caught behind rather than attack the body and stump balls. He is thinking like a normal swing bowler when at 90 MPH he should think like a strike bowled/lbw bowler.

 

[PennOne]

He should be dropped, bad karma. Soon as he comes back, our Fast bowling unit turns rubbish after bowling pretty well in the 20/20's.

He is not a popular member of the team and it shows.

and then there are posts like this...

 

[Mamoon]

If your statement is a fact, then at least get some proof behind it. No, I don't mean getting Amir bashers to back you up.

You wouldn't require proof if you would have watched both bowl since last year, and if you did and you disagree, then we watched different matches, just like how I thought today's pitch was a 350 one while you called it a sluggish, low scoring wicket.

 

[JibranAnsari]

If he doesnt get wickets in test , he should be out if the test team. In odis he can usually manage.

 

[Pete Rose]

Amir hasn't been at his previous best but to claim Hasan and Wahab have done better than him is mind-numbingly stupid.

As you have shown with numbers yet again that the opinion of folks who strut around as some sort of experts should be taken with a bucket of salt.

Well done

This will go a long way in shutting up some posters.

Every bowler has a role to play. Based on these figures, who is the leader of this attack?

 

[Rayyman]

You wouldn't require proof if you would have watched both bowl since last year, and if you did and you disagree, then we watched different matches, just like how I thought today's pitch was a 350 one while you called it a sluggish, low scoring wicket.

I wasn't going off of what I saw on the pitch. It was common knowledge that Guyana wicket is slow. Shehzad, Hafeez and Babar's batting made me think that it was. I now know that it was a pancake after all.

 

[Mamoon]

Don't present your opinion as facts.

Call it an opinion or a fact, but that is an objective view considering their performances in general.

 

[Syed1]

Every bowler has a role to play. Based on these figures, who is the leader of this attack?

That wasn't the point of contention. The argument was that Hasan and Wahab have empirically and statistically done better than Amir. Which has been proven to be untrue without a shadow of a doubt. Now if someone still claims that Hasan and Wahab have done better then they are just displaying their lack of intellect and cricket acumen or revealing that they are just mindless haters of Amir.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

He is still the best LOI bowler after his return.

 

[Pete Rose]

That wasn't the point of contention. The argument was that Hasan and Wahab have empirically and statistically done better than Amir. Which has been proven to be untrue without a shadow of a doubt. Now if someone still claims that Hasan and Wahab have done better then they are just displaying their lack of intellect and cricket acumen or revealing that they are just mindless haters of Amir.

Hmm. Looks like it's a close race between him and hasan at the moment. Luckily for aamir that he is a 'once in a generation' bowler

 

[Messiah]

And who is going to replace him? Replacing bad players with worse players won't make the team any better

 

[Messiah]

Hmm. Looks like it's a close race between him and hasan at the moment. Luckily for aamir that he is a 'once in a generation' bowler

Hasan has less than half the potential of Amir. When it's close, u prefer the one with better potential. It's simple really

 

[Pete Rose]

Hasan has less than half the potential of Amir. When it's close, u prefer the one with better potential. It's simple really

If it ain't in the numbers it doesn't exist.

 

[vandokkum]

Amir is better than Starc

 

[fasihulhaq94]

amir is the best bowler of last 20 years. Watch him in the next two games

 

[Indiafan]

how well did Hasan Ali bowl today . amazing

he won you a match in t20 series. When was the last time amir won you a match in any format? You are comparing one match of hasan with a year of amir? Problem is amir is consistently mediocre which while stable, has no impact on the result. Hasan, wahab go for runs but on their day they have won matches

 

[Indiafan]

That wasn't the point of contention. The argument was that Hasan and Wahab have empirically and statistically done better than Amir. Which has been proven to be untrue without a shadow of a doubt. Now if someone still claims that Hasan and Wahab have done better then they are just displaying their lack of intellect and cricket acumen or revealing that they are just mindless haters of Amir.

eh context is important. If one match hasan goes for 8 an over, then next match he bowls a match winning spell and takes 4 wickets. Amir in those matches takes 2 for 45 and 2 for 50 having no impact on either games. Who is more important? Amir has been same level every match with no impact. Ali has a few match winning spells.

 

[Bangladesh_Fan]

Amir is like Wasim Akram, the best left arm pacer in this era as endorsed by some people, how can anyone think of dropping him.

 

[StreetSmart]

Amir is our best bowler. He deserves blame for this terrible performance. Albeit not all of it.

no he is not best bowler but he is not bad too

 

[StreetSmart]

Of course he wasn't the only reason we lost the game today. However, it isn't wrong in saying that Amir has been trash since his return.

this is what I am saying too I never said he is best we have but for sure he is not the worst too

 

[AZ_cricket_fan]

No Amir should be given one more series to prove his worth if his WI series isnt good. His quality with the new ball is there for all to see and his economy is always better than Wahab lol.

 

[yasir]

Amir has not been that good, no doubt, but what choice we have? - If we had 2/3 bowlers better than Amir, we would have replaced him already...But time is running out for Amir as well, this year will be one way or the other, decide his Fate, county season might fixes his issues and help him gain fitness...

Amir took two years back in 2009/2010 to reach the level he was in English summer, 5 years break looks literary 5 years break, he lost some of the potent aspect of him swing bowling, it will take 2 years again to reach that level, we thought he could come in and back to the best in 6 months, well that did not happen unfortunately...Still County cricket is the best way to get back to the top, all Pakistan bowlers learned swing in County circuit, including Imran, Wasim, Shoiab, Waqar etc...This county season is vital for Amir's revival... Keep in mind swinging ball at high pace is really hard skill in Cricket, in last 30 years I can think of Marshall, Wasim, Styen are the only ones who master that skills and all of them were/are ATG, how many others could swing with control at 140 clicks? - Everything has to be perfect for that to achieve consistently over period of time.

Its not easy to throw Amir away for Pakistan, very difficult for us, because we don't have much in the pipeline, middle age medium pacers with no control or skill are not the answers to anything... Its like replacing Babar with Hafeez, after he hit bad form, that does not take you anywhere...

What helps with young new bowler is no burden of responsibility, allow them to experiment and evolve, we are seeing that with Hasan, he is experimenting more than others and developing better...One of thing that has not helped Amir in second coming is lack of experimentation, he is just bowling same ball(same length, same line) over and over again, he is trying to get his rhythm back, which has not worked...Although he has been economical, but not impactful, people can see him off, he need to be less predictable, he got to let himself loose, this defensive mindset is not working for him...He need to try more lengths and work on old ball too, he can bowl yorker but rarely we see that from him...

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Sooner rather then later he needs to show that he can take wickets. He was rusty made to bowl in 11 tests in 6 months period it was always going to be a difficult task so soon on his comeback but if he does not have a good series in terms of wickets here then he should be shown the door imo.

Shown the door, but for whom. There are no replacements. No genuine Fast bowler waiting in the wings. Our Last three bowling finds are all spinners (Ajmal, Yasir & Shadab).

 

[Indiafan]

eh context is important. If one match hasan goes for 8 an over, then next match he bowls a match winning spell and takes 4 wickets. Amir in those matches takes 2 for 45 and 2 for 50 having no impact on either games. Who is more important? Amir has been same level every match with no impact. Ali has a few match winning spells.

Just after I said this, Hasan took a 5 fer and won the match, Amir bowled 1 for 50.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

And he starts off with a bang!

 

[The_Odd_One]

Still the best bowler available in Pakistan

 

[MenInG]

We want him to be match-winner and he is doing that.

 

[sl-fan-of-pak]

aaand you have Yasir and Wahab to spoil all the good work done by him

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Best bowler in Pakistan.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Amir is world class and automatic selection. He will go on to take over 300 wickets in both Test and ODIs. Enjoy watching his career.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Amir is world class and automatic selection. He will go on to take over 300 wickets in both Test and ODIs. Enjoy watching his career.

Yup, I seriously feel sad that he wasted 6 years of cricket when he was on his prime, if he hadn't done that he would have ended his career as all time highest wicket taker for Pakistan and probably in the world too.

 

[sabashahid]

Pakistani dropped like 100 catches while he was bowling.