Shubman Gill announced as the new ODI captain of India

[bunda_bindaas]

He scored 50 runs in 5 matches against England. Is it really worth it? His SR never went beyond 130 in the entire series.

Also, Gill, especially in the Asia Cup, was NOT batting like Kohli. He was going after the bowling from ball 1!

His SR in the Asia Cup was 152.

My mistake about that one. He did have one score of 16 off 7 balls. But his overall SR for the series was still 119.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

Abhishek sharma scored 35 runs in 3 matches against Bangladesh. Then he made 97 runs in 4 matches in SA. That is 2 average series in a row. They didn't drop him. Look at SKY. Failing in every single series. Gill hardly attempted to hit six or anything when he had opportunity to play in the most easiest batting position at UAE> If Gill had batted outside power play he would have been cluelessly found out.

I think SKY is a liability right now. Abhishek had one great knock against England. A genuinely great one in T20Is, and obviously a great Asia Cup. I wasn't so keen on Abhishek, but I have started to change my mind. Whether he will succeed in Australian pitches is something I'm looking forward to.

Whether Gill was hitting sixes or fours is immaterial, he still maintained a SR of 150+. That was your argument -- no tuk tuk, go for your shots from the get go. And he did exactly that!

If Gill had batted outside power play he would have been cluelessly found out.

Like Samson was? Had he not been dropped in the Asia Cup final, his overall stats would have been even more miserable.

Unfortunately, you are projecting theories at this point and not arguing on hard facts. If Gill bats outside of the power play etc. That's not an argument based on logic -- it's an argument based on emotions.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I think SKY is a liability right now. Abhishek had one great knock against England. A genuinely great one in T20Is, and obviously a great Asia Cup. I wasn't so keen on Abhishek, but I have started to change my mind. Whether he will succeed in Australian pitches is something I'm looking forward to.

Whether Gill was hitting sixes or fours is immaterial, he still maintained a SR of 150+. That was your argument -- no tuk tuk, go for your shots from the get go. And he did exactly that!



Like Samson was? Had he not been dropped in the Asia Cup final, his overall stats would have been even more miserable.

Unfortunately, you are projecting theories at this point and not arguing on hard facts. If Gill bats outside of the power play etc. That's not an argument based on logic -- it's an argument based on emotions.

Fact is Samson was made to bat all over. There was one match he was not given a chacne. Imagine doing tha tto GIll and let us see his stats then. Even in IPL his PP strike rate is less than that of lot of promising youngsters. Prabhsimran, Vaibhav, Jaiswal, Priyansh Arya,. Even Sai Sudarshan had a PP strike rate of 157. Gill had a pitiful 143. His only focus was tuk tuk singles. Also he is seriously clueless agianst any kind of spin that leaves his bat.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

Fact is Samson was made to bat all over. There was one match he was not given a chacne. Imagine doing tha tto GIll and let us see his stats then. Even in IPL his PP strike rate is less than that of lot of promising youngsters. Prabhsimran, Vaibhav, Jaiswal, Priyansh Arya,. Even Sai Sudarshan had a PP strike rate of 157. Gill had a pitiful 143. His only focus was tuk tuk singles. Also he is seriously clueless agianst any kind of spin that leaves his bat.

But why would you do that to Gill? There is a world of difference between Samson and Gill's stature. In Indian Cricket. In Internatonal Cricket. In any kind of cricket.

And again, you are projecting -- let's do this and then see. Nobody's doing that, so we will never see.

As for the comparison with IPL peers, Jaiswal, I've already said makes a solid case for replacing Gill. I have agreed to that.

But Prabhsimran, Priyansh Arya etc? You have got to be kidding me. You put these guys straight into any international tournaments and they'd be cannon fodder.

Also, Kohli had a higher PP SR than Sai Sudarshan (and all other youngsters you have mentioned, apart from Jaiswal) in IPL 2025. Should we ask him to come out of retirement then?

The point remains, ICT fans criticized Kohli for not playing fast enough, for taking his time. Gill came back, did the exact thing you guys were complaining about -- at the cost of his batting average and consistency -- and you still have a problem.

Why don't you address holes in your arguments first?

 

[pillionrider]

Gill shouldn't be in the T20I team, Samson should have been opening, middle order spot would have been anyone of Pant, Rinku, Reddy.

There was a time when Samson deserved a try, but that was like 6-7 years back. He did well in the AC final but his time is done and there seem to be much better options now. Also, Gill is a modern great in the making across all formats. There is no way he doesn't merit automatic selection in all games, except when he's rested.

 

[jnaveen1980]

But why would you do that to Gill? There is a world of difference between Samson and Gill's stature. In Indian Cricket. In Internatonal Cricket. In any kind of cricket.

And again, you are projecting -- let's do this and then see. Nobody's doing that, so we will never see.

As for the comparison with IPL peers, Jaiswal, I've already said makes a solid case for replacing Gill. I have agreed to that.

But Prabhsimran, Priyansh Arya etc? You have got to be kidding me. You put these guys straight into any international tournaments and they'd be cannon fodder.

Also, Kohli had a higher PP SR than Sai Sudarshan (and all other youngsters you have mentioned, apart from Jaiswal) in IPL 2025. Should we ask him to come out of retirement then?

The point remains, ICT fans criticized Kohli for not playing fast enough, for taking his time. Gill came back, did the exact thing you guys were complaining about -- at the cost of his batting average and consistency -- and you still have a problem.

Why don't you address holes in your arguments first?

Gill sacrificed and achieved what? HIs scores in Asia cup read 10, 5, 47, 29, 4, 12. He mostly was saved by Abhishek sharma. How the heck these are good numbers?

 

[bunda_bindaas]

Gill sacrificed and achieved what? HIs scores in Asia cup read 10, 5, 47, 29, 4, 12. He mostly was saved by Abhishek sharma. How the heck these are good numbers?

You are now arguing for the sake of argument.

By your own logic, when Abhishek fails, which is quite often, he is SAVED by someone else. Your own words, your own logic, not mine! I will keep this in mind when something like this happens in the future.

All right, moving on, let's take your other challenge on as well.

He scored 47 off 28 against Pak, chasing 171. That's obviously NOT a failure, unless you are setting impossible standards, specially for him.

He scored 29 off 19 against Bangladesh -- again not a failure. Cuz, no tuk tuk etc.

20* off 9 against UAE -- Again, not a failure.

Even in the first game against Pak, he went after Saim Ayub, hit 2 fours and got out trying to hit another one (while chasing 128!). You guys want this INTENT from every opener, so really shouldn't count this as a failure.

That's 4 out of 7 innings.

How do you define this as NOT intent? According to your own definition of INTENT, this is the kind of consistency you can expect.

Meanwhile, your God, Abhishek, had these scores in his first 9 innings:

0, 100, 10, 14, 16, 15, 4, 7, 4 in his first 9 innings, with the sole 100 coming against Zimbabwe, after getting dropped.

Who was saving his skin in those games?

Moreover, you guys are willing to give Abhishek chances for his high-risk-high-reward game, which is fine, but are definitely NOT willing to offer the same courtesy to Gill when he does the same.

*slow claps* for hypocrisy!

 

[pillionrider]

You are now arguing for the sake of argument.

By your own logic, when Abhishek fails, which is quite often, he is SAVED by someone else. Your own words, your own logic, not mine! I will keep this in mind when something like this happens in the future.

All right, moving on, let's take your other challenge on as well.

He scored 47 off 28 against Pak, chasing 171. That's obviously NOT a failure, unless you are setting impossible standards, specially for him.

He scored 29 off 19 against Bangladesh -- again not a failure. Cuz, no tuk tuk etc.

20* off 9 against UAE -- Again, not a failure.

Even in the first game against Pak, he went after Saim Ayub, hit 2 fours and got out trying to hit another one (while chasing 128!). You guys want this INTENT from every opener, so really shouldn't count this as a failure.

That's 4 out of 7 innings.

How do you define this as NOT intent? According to your own definition of INTENT, this is the kind of consistency you can expect.

Meanwhile, your God, Abhishek, had these scores in his first 9 innings:

0, 100, 10, 14, 16, 15, 4, 7, 4 in his first 9 innings, with the sole 100 coming against Zimbabwe, after getting dropped.

Who was saving his skin in those games?

Moreover, you guys are willing to give Abhishek chances for his high-risk-high-reward game, which is fine, but are definitely NOT willing to offer the same courtesy to Gill when he does the same.

*slow claps* for hypocrisy!

This was the first time I watched Sharma live. Before this, I'd only seen one highlights clip. Love whatever I saw and he is an automatic choice at least in T20s. Wouldn't mind him even in ODIs, if they could find a spot, but it seems difficult now.

But Gill's performance during the Asia Cup is one of the most underrated things. There were games where he was taking the lead early on before Sharma went on a blitz and therefore eclipsed Gill (deservedly). It's like the 1999 WC game vs SL which everyone remembers for Ganguly's brilliance. But Dravid actually was really good early on in the partnership which allowed Sourav to settle in. It's the partnership that sometimes counts and Sharma-Gill is perfect.

 

[jnaveen1980]

You are now arguing for the sake of argument.

By your own logic, when Abhishek fails, which is quite often, he is SAVED by someone else. Your own words, your own logic, not mine! I will keep this in mind when something like this happens in the future.

All right, moving on, let's take your other challenge on as well.

He scored 47 off 28 against Pak, chasing 171. That's obviously NOT a failure, unless you are setting impossible standards, specially for him.

He scored 29 off 19 against Bangladesh -- again not a failure. Cuz, no tuk tuk etc.

20* off 9 against UAE -- Again, not a failure.

Even in the first game against Pak, he went after Saim Ayub, hit 2 fours and got out trying to hit another one (while chasing 128!). You guys want this INTENT from every opener, so really shouldn't count this as a failure.

That's 4 out of 7 innings.

How do you define this as NOT intent? According to your own definition of INTENT, this is the kind of consistency you can expect.

Meanwhile, your God, Abhishek, had these scores in his first 9 innings:

0, 100, 10, 14, 16, 15, 4, 7, 4 in his first 9 innings, with the sole 100 coming against Zimbabwe, after getting dropped.

Who was saving his skin in those games?

Moreover, you guys are willing to give Abhishek chances for his high-risk-high-reward game, which is fine, but are definitely NOT willing to offer the same courtesy to Gill when he does the same.

*slow claps* for hypocrisy!

Gill is not playing high risk game. He has never shown at any level. Abhishek did that in SMAT, did that in IPL, did that in international. Samson's best > Gill's best in T20. Gill was actually poorer than Sai Sudarshan in the IPL. Also Gill invariably chokes in important games. Two WTC finals, World cup final, CT final, Asia cup final, IPL final

 

[bunda_bindaas]

This was the first time I watched Sharma live. Before this, I'd only seen one highlights clip. Love whatever I saw and he is an automatic choice at least in T20s. Wouldn't mind him even in ODIs, if they could find a spot, but it seems difficult now.

But Gill's performance during the Asia Cup is one of the most underrated things. There were games where he was taking the lead early on before Sharma went on a blitz and therefore eclipsed Gill (deservedly). It's like the 1999 WC game vs SL which everyone remembers for Ganguly's brilliance. But Dravid actually was really good early on in the partnership which allowed Sourav to settle in. It's the partnership that sometimes counts and Sharma-Gill is perfect.

Yes, agreed completely! Abhishek had a great Asia Cup but he even had a greater knock against England in the T20I held in Bombay.

That was indeed something special!

And to be honest, I'd somehow find a way to include Jaiswal in the mix. He's too good a player to miss out.

Unfortunately, it's SKY, who is holding one place up, much as I regret to admit.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

Gill is not playing high risk game. He has never shown at any level.

He literally did just that in the Asia Cup.

Samson's best > Gill's best in T20.

That may be true in some alternate Bizarro universe; it's certainly not true in this one.

Gill was actually poorer than Sai Sudarshan in the IPL.

Yes, he was poorer, pitted against the guy who had the best season in IPL. Still not anyway near Gill's 890 in a single season though (But let's forget that cuz *evil laughter*, that breaks my false narrative)

Also Gill invariably chokes in important games. Two WTC finals, World cup final, CT final, Asia cup final, IPL final

A WTC final, the first one of which, he played for the first time on a heavily lopsided, swinging, pitch in England. At the age of 22, and still scored more runs than Pujara, a Test Specialist. Where no team crossed 300! That should really show the world how much of a failure Gill is!

(And again, *evil laughter* let's just throw in Test Matches, ODIs and random stats, hell anything, into a T20 discussion, because that just suits my narrative!)

He scored 31 in the CT final. Kohli scored 1, but hey, anything to prove a point (also, ODIs in a T20 discussion for lulz).

Also, regarding IPL finals -- which, by the way is the only T20 tournament, apart from the Asia Cup final (where Abhishek also failed, but let's skip that), he scored 39 off 20 in one game and 51 off 43 in the other.

 

[jnaveen1980]

He literally did just that in the Asia Cup.



That may be true in some alternate Bizarro universe; it's certainly not true in this one.



Yes, he was poorer, pitted against the guy who had the best season in IPL. Still not anyway near Gill's 890 in a single season though (But let's forget that cuz *evil laughter*, that breaks my false narrative)



A WTC final, the first one of which, he played for the first time on a heavily lopsided, swinging, pitch in England. At the age of 22, and still scored more runs than Pujara, a Test Specialist. Where no team crossed 300! That should really show the world how much of a failure Gill is!

(And again, *evil laughter* let's just throw in Test Matches, ODIs and random stats, hell anything, into a T20 discussion, because that just suits my narrative!)

He scored 31 in the CT final. Kohli scored 1, but hey, anything to prove a point (also, ODIs in a T20 discussion for lulz).

Also, regarding IPL finals -- which, by the way is the only T20 tournament, apart from the Asia Cup final (where Abhishek also failed, but let's skip that), he scored 39 off 20 in one game and 51 off 43 in the other.

That is not high risk game. Rolling the wrist trying to keep the ball down is not high risk game. That is the same old kohli template. What abhishek did is high risk game. He hits a six every 20 ball. That is Rizwan, Salman Ali agha territory. Sanju hits a six every 11th ball. That is closer to modern day intent. Gill has made this team a significantly less dangerous team with his safety first approach. Samson had two good back to back series after he was promoted. It is unfair to demote him and bring GIll in his place. If it is Jaiswal that makes some sense. ANy decent spinner can tie him down. His career T20 strike rate against spin is 134. Sanju has a strike rate of 151 against spinners.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

That is not high risk game. Rolling the wrist trying to keep the ball down is not high risk game. That is the same old kohli template. What abhishek did is high risk game. He hits a six every 20 ball. That is Rizwan, Salman Ali agha territory. Sanju hits a six every 11th ball. That is closer to modern day intent.

At this point, you are not making much sense. A batsman can score 10 triples and have a SR of 300! Hitting fours gives you a SR of 400.

It does NOT matter how the runs are coming, as long as he MAINTAINS a SR above 150! If he, or any batsman in T20s, can score at a SR of 150+, consistently, that's modern-day T20I batting.

In fact, Kohli's classic 82 off 50 odd balls in the T20 World Cup, where he single-handedly pushed Australia out of the tournament, was based off hard running between the wickets. Him and Dhoni, they simply outran Australia out of the World Cup!

In the recently concluded Asia Cup, only Abhishek and Nissanka had a better SR than Gill's, for batsmen who scored at least 100 runs (discounting Nabi).

Think about that, third on the list, after making a comeback to T20Is and after remodelling his game. The hate he is getting from you guys is completely unwarranted!

Samson had two good back to back series after he was promoted. It is unfair to demote him and bring GIll in his place. If it is Jaiswal that makes some sense.

Samson had good series against mediocre/below-average opposition. He could not maintain that against England, across 5 games! Do you agree or not?

ANy decent spinner can tie him down. His career T20 strike rate against spin is 134. Sanju has a strike rate of 151 against spinners.

Where did you get that stat from? I'd like a link and look into this further. I can then comment further on this.

 

[jnaveen1980]

At this point, you are not making much sense. A batsman can score 10 triples and have a SR of 300! Hitting fours gives you a SR of 400.

It does NOT matter how the runs are coming, as long as he MAINTAINS a SR above 150! If he, or any batsman in T20s, can score at a SR of 150+, consistently, that's modern-day T20I batting.

In fact, Kohli's classic 82 off 50 odd balls in the T20 World Cup, where he single-handedly pushed Australia out of the tournament, was based off hard running between the wickets. Him and Dhoni, they simply outran Australia out of the World Cup!

In the recently concluded Asia Cup, only Abhishek and Nissanka had a better SR than Gill's, for batsmen who scored at least 100 runs (discounting Nabi).

Think about that, third on the list, after making a comeback to T20Is and after remodelling his game. The hate he is getting from you guys is completely unwarranted!



Samson had good series against mediocre/below-average opposition. He could not maintain that against England, across 5 games! Do you agree or not?



Where did you get that stat from? I'd like a link and look into this further. I can then comment further on this.

Samson scored against mediocre attack. But Gill opening against world no8th 9th 10th ranked, 20th ranked side with 3 single digit scores. If you give the same chance to prabsimran he could produce same result with better strike rate.

 

[harshjoshi87]

That's my whole point. Based on what? Emotions? It's certainly not based on stats and numbers (or logic).

There is a solid argument that Jaiswal needs to be in the team in place of Gill. I can understand that point of view, yes.

I can't understand Samson replacing Gill.

Regarding BCCI wanting a poster boy, that's just an opinion, not a fact.

Gill's stats, both in First Class Cricket and List A are very good. His stats in the IPL are also very, very good. He has also captained his IPL team to the play-offs.

He has better stats than Kohli in Under-19 ODIs, in fact better than anyone in Under-19 ODI history! Average of 104.4 and a SR of 103.

Why would the BCCI choose anyone else but him?

Samson was going well at the top in T20Is, if Gill had come in the team batted at 5 would have been okay but taking over Samson's spot & doing absolutely nothing when batting inside pp. Gill also regularly fails under pressure, no way a Kohli or Rohit would have thrown their wicket away when the team has lost 2 quick wickets upfront in a final.

Under-19 stats rarely matter in international cricket, nobody is questioning Gill's place in tests & ODIs but he should be nowhere near the T20I squad. He will be found out if he plays in Australia T20Is.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

Samson scored against mediocre attack. But Gill opening against world no8th 9th 10th ranked, 20th ranked side with 3 single digit scores.

Yes, 3 single-digit scores. Abhishek had 8 poor scores, 6 of them against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

But you gave him the benefit of doubt, didn't you?

If you give the same chance to prabsimran he could produce same result with better strike rate.

Projection, and thus, overruled.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

Samson was going well at the top in T20Is, if Gill had come in the team batted at 5 would have been okay but taking over Samson's spot & doing absolutely nothing when batting inside pp.

I'm not going over this again. Read my resposes above and think about them!

Gill also regularly fails under pressure, no way a Kohli or Rohit would have thrown their wicket away when the team has lost 2 quick wickets upfront in a final.

He went for a shot that he plays often, and is good at. Haris Rauf took a very good catch. What about SKY though? And what about Abhishek's shot?

Under-19 stats rarely matter in international cricket, nobody is questioning Gill's place in tests & ODIs but he should be nowhere near the T20I squad. He will be found out if he plays in Australia T20Is.

Yes, and we will have this discussion after the T20Is in Australia. Make your predictions and stick to them!

 

[jnaveen1980]

[/QUOTE]

Yes, 3 single-digit scores. Abhishek had 8 poor scores, 6 of them against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

But you gave him the benefit of doubt, didn't you?



Projection, and thus, overruled.

You have compared with lows. Let us compare the highs. What is the high of GIll? 47? What is your ceiling in this format. That is what matters. These "make up" strike rate innings won't be impactful. He has fixed a few technical issues. But mostly on the defensive side that is applicable for Tests. His mindset is going to be like that. Not a carefree fearless approach that is needed in T20. There are about half a dozen guys who could do better than Gill in T20Is.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

@jnaveen1980 Re: SR against Left Arm Spin



And this is Gill:

 

[jnaveen1980]

@jnaveen1980 Re: SR against Left Arm Spin

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And this is Gill:

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So basically equal. He sucks against other spinners lol

 

[bunda_bindaas]

So basically equal. He sucks against other spinners lol

You made a very different claim? That Samson's SR is 151 against left arm spin?

Also, look carefully at their averages against left arm spin. Gill's average is 123! Samson's is 33.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

You made a very different claim? That Samson's SR is 151 against left arm spin?

Also, look carefully at their averages against left arm spin. Gill's average is 123! Samson's is 33.

Gill's average/SR against ALL spin is 54/144

Samson's average/SR is 37/136

 

[jnaveen1980]

Samson has 3 centuries. How many centuries GIll got? 1 when he was at his peak. After that year he hardly produced an earth shattering innings in this format even in IPL.

Let me tell you how bad a pick Gill is

Last 10 T20 innings

Ruturaj 421 runs 60.1 averages 154.2 strike rate

Subhman GIll 213 runs 21.16 average 143. strike rate

Not a single 50 in his last 10 T20 innings. This is like bringing babar azam to the team

 

[jnaveen1980]

wow we have fans celebritng mediocrity. He improved in tests vastly. He never proved anything in T20 to be included.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

Samson has 3 centuries. How many centuries GIll got? 1 when he was at his peak. After that year he hardly produced an earth shattering innings in this format even in IPL.

Let me tell you how bad a pick Gill is

Last 10 T20 innings

Ruturaj 421 runs 60.1 averages 154.2 strike rate

Subhman GIll 213 runs 21.16 average 143. strike rate

Not a single 50 in his last 10 T20 innings. This is like bringing babar azam to the team

Do you understand stats, bro? On which grounds did Ruturaj score those runs? And which opposition?

He scored runs against Zimbabwe and one hundred against Australia on a patta pitch, which inflated his stats. One innings!

All the rest of his innings against Australia, he did not strike more than 135!


Gill's last 10 innings include 7 from this Asia Cup, and 2 in SL.

What was the average score in this Asia Cup? Why don't you search that as well?

Think about the context before making these claims. You are making yourself look all the more ridiculous with each claim.

Also, Babar Azam does not strike at 150. No batsman from Pakistan did. In fact, apart from one other batsman from SL, no one else did.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

wow we have fans celebritng mediocrity. He improved in tests vastly. He never proved anything in T20 to be included.

Yes, a guy who strikes at 150 with an average of 46 in the IPL (in the last 3 seasons) is mediocre.

We have ICT fans who can't understand stats.

And I say this because I don't want to attribute things to malice, those which can be explained by ......

 

[jnaveen1980]

Do you understand stats, bro? On which grounds did Ruturaj score those runs? And which opposition?

He scored runs against Zimbabwe and one hundred against Australia on a patta pitch, which inflated his stats. One innings!

All the rest of his innings against Australia, he did not strike more than 135!


Gill's last 10 innings include 7 from this Asia Cup, and 2 in SL.

What was the average score in this Asia Cup? Why don't you search that as well?

Think about the context before making these claims. You are making yourself look all the more ridiculous with each claim.

Also, Babar Azam does not strike at 150. No batsman from Pakistan did. In fact, apart from one other batsman from SL, no one else did.

His own opening partner exposed Gill lol What is there to see. He was striking at 200.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yes, a guy who strikes at 150 with an average of 46 in the IPL (in the last 3 seasons) is mediocre.

We have ICT fans who can't understand stats.

And I say this because I don't want to attribute things to malice, those which can be explained by ......

You are not looking at the right aspects in T20. Abiltity to produce big overs, intent to hit sixes. GIll has niether of them. This belong to guys who play in mid 2010s. Not now. These guys will consistently rely on other making impact bit like how KOhli relied Axar and Dube in the WT20 final. India made 283 and 297 in recent times. Guess what is common. Sanju samson made centuries in both of them.We want players who carry out. sustained attack. Not these 30 in 30 and hit a six and four in the end make up the strike rate. We have seen that fraud strike rate make up enough times with MSD, Jadeja, Kohli , Kela.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

You are not looking at the right aspects in T20. Abiltity to produce big overs, intent to hit sixes. GIll has niether of them. This belong to guys who play in mid 2010s. Not now. These guys will consistently rely on other making impact bit like how KOhli relied Axar and Dube in the WT20 final. India made 283 and 297 in recent times. Guess what is common. Sanju samson made centuries in both of them.We want players who carry out. sustained attack. Not these 30 in 30 and hit a six and four in the end make up the strike rate. We have seen that fraud strike rate make up enough times with MSD, Jadeja, Kohli , Kela.

Without Kohli’s grit, the entire team would have collapsed in that T20 World Cup final. It’s not that Kohli depends on others, it’s the others who depend on his presence, which gives them the confidence to play freely.

There’s no better batsman than Kohli in T20 tournaments when it comes to big matches and clutch performances.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Without Kohli’s grit, the entire team would have collapsed in that T20 World Cup final. It’s not that Kohli depends on others, it’s the others who depend on his presence, which gives them the confidence to play freely.

There’s no better batsman than Kohli in T20 tournaments when it comes to big matches and clutch performances.

That innings was made to look good because India defended 30 in 30. Basically tuk tuked without even attempting to hit a four . Till 15th over his strike rate was 100. Dube and Axar showed intent. Stop giving credit to Kohli for clutch performance of Axar patel. Just because you have kohli , suddenly other guy will become a beast. We saw that in 2023 final. Both Kela and Khli went without 4 for 97 balls. WHy didn't Rahul become a beast

 

[Cover Drive Six]

It’s too early to judge Gill’s ability in the LOI format. He hasn’t done anything significant in major tournaments yet, but that doesn’t mean he can’t perform. He clearly has the potential and ability to reach the level of Rohit and Kohli.

Let’s wait and see how he develops ,my only concern is that he sometimes plays like KL Rahul 1.0 version , focusing too much on stat-padding. He just needs to play according to the situation in LOIs.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

You are not looking at the right aspects in T20. Abiltity to produce big overs, intent to hit sixes. GIll has niether of them. This belong to guys who play in mid 2010s. Not now. These guys will consistently rely on other making impact bit like how KOhli relied Axar and Dube in the WT20 final. India made 283 and 297 in recent times. Guess what is common. Sanju samson made centuries in both of them.We want players who carry out. sustained attack. Not these 30 in 30 and hit a six and four in the end make up the strike rate. We have seen that fraud strike rate make up enough times with MSD, Jadeja, Kohli , Kela.

Dude, you seriously need to understand CONTEXT. Stats without context lead to completely erroneous conclusions.

India scored 297 and 283 on pitches that SUPPORTED that kind of scoring. The ball wasn't moving, the bounce was true, there was no spin AND most importantly, the opposition bowlers were not that good.

Why were there no such scores in the UAE? Why did Samson, who was hitting sixes in the middle overs in those 2 games, struggle in the UAE?

Not just struggle, but was pretty much miserable out there.

Think about it!

Samson didn't become below average all of a sudden. He was the same player, but he struggled because of the pitches on which he was playing.

Once you understand context, you would understand what is good and what is bad.

Abhishek had a SR of 200 on those pitches. That is exceptional -- no two ways about it. He hit a purple patch as well.

Gill had a SR of 152 on the same pitches. That is also very, very good.

if you think Samson could have struck at 200 on these pitches, you are completely mistaken. He came inside the PP against Oman and his SR was 124!

That is what you would call a Babar Azam innings.

Against Pak, he scored 13 out of 17 in the super 4 stage.

He had one good innings against SL, but guess what, both teams scored over 200 in that game.

Use your head -- context first, stats second.

 

[jnaveen1980]

It’s too early to judge Gill’s ability in the LOI format. He hasn’t done anything significant in major tournaments yet, but that doesn’t mean he can’t perform. He clearly has the potential and ability to reach the level of Rohit and Kohli.

Let’s wait and see how he develops ,my only concern is that he sometimes plays like KL Rahul 1.0 version , focusing too much on stat-padding. He just needs to play according to the situation in LOIs.

Remember when he was made captain on ZImbabwe tour. Abhishek made 141 as opener. In that match Gill didn't play. In the next match he demoted ABhishek and he opened made a tuk tuk 40 odd. Yes. He doesn't fit the modern T20 template. Same old Kela, Kohli template

 

[Cover Drive Six]

That innings was made to look good because India defended 30 in 30. Basically tuk tuked without even attempting to hit a four . Till 15th over his strike rate was 100. Dube and Axar showed intent. Stop giving credit to Kohli for clutch performance of Axar patel. Just because you have kohli , suddenly other guy will become a beast. We saw that in 2023 final. Both Kela and Khli went without 4 for 97 balls. WHy didn't Rahul become a beast

Kohli’s job is to rebuild the innings when the team is struggling at 30/3 and make sure, he stays till the end. He stopped a further collapse and provided the platform for others. I am not denying credit to Axar and Dube, if Kohli had gotten out early, they wouldn’t have had that platform, and we could’ve easily been bundled out for around 140.

Glad that Kohli’s match-winning knock earned him the MOM. India defended 30 off 30 purely because of Bumrah and Hardhik while Axar almost handed the game to South Africa with his poor bowling at the end.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Dude, you seriously need to understand CONTEXT. Stats without context lead to completely erroneous conclusions.

India scored 297 and 283 on pitches that SUPPORTED that kind of scoring. The ball wasn't moving, the bounce was true, there was no spin AND most importantly, the opposition bowlers were not that good.

Why were there no such scores in the UAE? Why did Samson, who was hitting sixes in the middle overs in those 2 games, struggle in the UAE?

Not just struggle, but was pretty much miserable out there.

Think about it!

Samson didn't become below average all of a sudden. He was the same player, but he struggled because of the pitches on which he was playing.

Once you understand context, you would understand what is good and what is bad.

Abhishek had a SR of 200 on those pitches. That is exceptional -- no two ways about it. He hit a purple patch as well.

Gill had a SR of 152 on the same pitches. That is also very, very good.

if you think Samson could have struck at 200 on these pitches, you are completely mistaken. He came inside the PP against Oman and his SR was 124!

That is what you would call a Babar Azam innings.

Against Pak, he scored 13 out of 17 in the super 4 stage.

He had one good innings against SL, but guess what, both teams scored over 200 in that game.

Use your head -- context first, stats second.

Gill has a context for every match. Gill and Ruturaj have played 4 matches together. Like for like Top order


Gill 4 matches 157 runs 52.33 average 129.75 strike rate
Ruturaj 4 matches 133 runs 66.50 average 158.33 strike rate

I can't think one stand out innings apart form his solitary century against New zealand. Guys like Jaiswal, vaibav, Prabhsmiran, Arya should be tried if you hate Samson. I have trolled samson as well. But one has to call out the backdoor entry of Gill as vice captain. He absolutely did nothing to come back into T20 side that was blitzing teams apart. There was no need to tinker with that set up. Rinku also lost his spot due to that.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

Gill has a context for every match. Gill and Ruturaj have played 4 matches together. Like for like Top order


Gill 4 matches 157 runs 52.33 average 129.75 strike rate
Ruturaj 4 matches 133 runs 66.50 average 158.33 strike rate

I can't think one stand out innings apart form his solitary century against New zealand. Guys like Jaiswal, vaibav, Prabhsmiran, Arya should be tried if you hate Samson. I have trolled samson as well. But one has to call out the backdoor entry of Gill as vice captain. He absolutely did nothing to come back into T20 side that was blitzing teams apart. There was no need to tinker with that set up. Rinku also lost his spot due to that.

In 2024. Before Gambhir's era. Context, again.

Do you really believe any of these Aryas, Prabhsimran can last in T20Is? On those pitches in UAE? Jaiswal is a class apart, I agree.

I mean, Tilak Varma had a great Asia Cup. And he his a great striker of the ball. He has lots of international experience as well.

What was his SR in UAE? 131.5

And you know what, it was more than good enough. For his role, for his passage of play.

You can call out Gill if he fails and does not play with high intent. But that moment did not arrive in this Asia Cup. About his backdoor entry, I think his stats in the IPL give him that opportunity. It was a surprise, but not one like Harshit Rana's continuous selection or SKY's abysmal form.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Remember when he was made captain on ZImbabwe tour. Abhishek made 141 as opener. In that match Gill didn't play. In the next match he demoted ABhishek and he opened made a tuk tuk 40 odd. Yes. He doesn't fit the modern T20 template. Same old Kela, Kohli template

What is this so-called modern-day template? There’s no fixed template for T20 cricket ,you just need to play according to the situation and shift gears when required and win the game.

If hitting from ball one is the only criteria for success, then why do these so-called hacks and hitters always fail on the big stage?

 

[jnaveen1980]

In 2024. Before Gambhir's era. Context, again.

Do you really believe any of these Aryas, Prabhsimran can last in T20Is? On those pitches in UAE? Jaiswal is a class apart, I agree.

I mean, Tilak Varma had a great Asia Cup. And he his a great striker of the ball. He has lots of international experience as well.

What was his SR in UAE? 131.5

And you know what, it was more than good enough. For his role, for his passage of play.

You can call out Gill if he fails and does not play with high intent. But that moment did not arrive in this Asia Cup. About his backdoor entry, I think his stats in the IPL give him that opportunity. It was a surprise, but not one like Harshit Rana's continuous selection or SKY's abysmal form.

You sound like to play T20 you need some special skill lol Seifert, Phil salt, Nichole pooran are nto exactly test class players. You just need to be good at range hitting someone who shows positive intent. Aryas already made a 100 in List A against Australia. Gill had 4 single digit scores. Not a single 50 lol What kind of impact you are talking about. If someone else had opened they would have done far better. Heck even Sai sudarshan's strike rate was higher than Gill's strike rate in the IPL. Sai is not even a proper T20 batsman. Can you tell me where exactly Gill stands out in T20 format? Six hitting- No, Big over ability - No, High impact long innings - No. All he has done is a couple of cameos. Literally anyone can do what he did.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

We have always had this habit of projecting hacks as “modern-day T20 template” batters, but in reality, none of them have ever owned a tournament for us. I have been watching this pattern for the past 10 years, every season, right after the IPL, one batsman gets hyped to the moon.

Just like Pant, SKY, Samson, RutuRaj, Sai Sudarshan etc etc, most of them turned out to be disappointments when it comes to T20 tournaments. Let Abhishek or anyone else actually win matches in tournaments first. Until then, I don’t want to hype anyone based on IPL hitting or bilateral performances.

Gill won’t do any worse than those hacks. Let’s wait and see how he turns out.

 

[jnaveen1980]

We have always had this habit of projecting hacks as “modern-day T20 template” batters, but in reality, none of them have ever owned a tournament for us. I have been watching this pattern for the past 10 years, every season, right after the IPL, one batsman gets hyped to the moon.

Just like Pant, SKY, Samson, RutuRaj, Sai Sudarshan etc etc, most of them turned out to be disappointments when it comes to T20 tournaments. Let Abhishek or anyone else actually win matches in tournaments first. Until then, I don’t want to hype anyone based on IPL hitting or bilateral performances.

Gill won’t do any worse than those hacks. Let’s wait and see how he turns out.

He literally won the tournament.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

He literally won the tournament.

Not these Asian paint cups, let him perform in ICC tournaments.
As expected, he bottled it in the final, and it was Tilak who rose to the occasion and won the title. I am not discrediting Abhishek, my point is let him perform on big stages and hope he will do. Only players who can read the game well are the ones who succeed in big tournaments.

It’s too early to judge both Abhishek and Gill at this moment based on their current performance, we will get more clarity in the next two years.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Not these Asian paint cups, let him perform in ICC tournaments.
As expected, he bottled it in the final, and it was Tilak who rose to the occasion and won the title. I am not discrediting Abhishek, my point is let him perform on big stages and hope he will do. Only players who can read the game well are the ones who succeed in big tournaments.

It’s too early to judge both Abhishek and Gill at this moment based on their current performance, we will get more clarity in the next two years.

Like GIll did lol Failed in WTC finals twice. World cup 2023 failed. Made a 31 in 50 balls in the 2025 CT final. Asia cup final fail. That too after two wicekts fell down. He played like an idiot. Failed in U19 world cup final. Hardly any success. Axar patel delivered in the WT20 final. Dube delivered in WT20 final. Gill has absolutely done nothing in LOI format to be called some kind of clutch player. If anything he gets owned by random spinner as he can't pick which way ball turns.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Not these Asian paint cups, let him perform in ICC tournaments.
As expected, he bottled it in the final, and it was Tilak who rose to the occasion and won the title. I am not discrediting Abhishek, my point is let him perform on big stages and hope he will do. Only players who can read the game well are the ones who succeed in big tournaments.

It’s too early to judge both Abhishek and Gill at this moment based on their current performance, we will get more clarity in the next two years.

First of all none of the Indian batsmen are hacks. They are proper stroke players. Everyone came through ranks. Just because they want to upskill themselves that doesn't mean they have no basics. Tendulkar failed in two finals. Won't make him a lesser player.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

You sound like to play T20 you need some special skill lol Seifert, Phil salt, Nichole pooran are nto exactly test class players. You just need to be good at range hitting someone who shows positive intent. Aryas already made a 100 in List A against Australia. . Heck even Sai sudarshan's strike rate was higher than Gill's strike rate in the IPL. Sai is not even a proper T20 batsman. Can you tell me where exactly Gill stands out in T20 format? Six hitting- No, Big over ability - No, High impact long innings - No. All he has done is a couple of cameos. Literally anyone can do what he did.

He just came back to the T20I side. Remodelled his game, went after the bowling, didn't care about his personal milestones and struck the ball at 150. On difficult wickets, where no one else, apart from Abhishek and Nissanka (again, thanks to that one innings against India) could strike better.

The likes of Phil Salt, Pooran would have fared even worse on these pitches. I say this because Salt has a SR of 115 in Bangladesh, where pitches are similar to the UAE. Pooran has a SR of 153 but an average of 17 in UAE. Worse than Gill, as you can see.

Gill had 4 single digit scores. Not a single 50 lol What kind of impact you are talking about. If someone else had opened they would have done far better

If I made the same evaluation of Abhishek after his first 10 innings, I would have said that he needs to be dropped permanently from the T20 side. That should have been correct according to you?

Heck even Sai sudarshan's strike rate was higher than Gill's strike rate in the IPL. Sai is not even a proper T20 batsman.

Can you stop lying? Gill's SR was 155.88; Sudarshan's was 156.17, that too in Sudarshan's break out year.

You have already been caught lying about left arm spinners' record against Gill and Samson and now this!

Can you tell me where exactly Gill stands out in T20 format? Six hitting- No, Big over ability - No, High impact long innings - No. All he has done is a couple of cameos. Literally anyone can do what he did.

You are being completely facetious, lying through your teeth and hellbent on being a HATER.

That is where the debate ends for me. On a parting note, Gill has hit 83 sixes in the IPL in the last 3 years. Abhishek has hit 76!

Your "big over" ability got exposed when your big over player ended up scoring 13 runs off 17 balls in the Asia Cup. Yes, LOL, with a capital L.

As for high impact innings that are long, Gill has 4 hundreds in the IPL. Sanju, who is 6 years older than Gill, and Abhishek combined, have 4!

 

[Cover Drive Six]

My dear friends, let’s stop the debate here, both Gill and Abhishek are good batsmen. Let’s wait for a couple of tournaments before making any judgments.

 

[jnaveen1980]

You are merely giving excuses like low wickets , slow wickets, firs tinnings of abhishek lol So far you are yet to show a substantial match winning knock of Gill at international level besides that one century

He remodelled his game? Seriously? If anything he got worse from 2023. Only game he remodelled was test match game. Credit to him for that.

Between you and me i am the cancer lol I am not the one who is worshipping Gill. I am not even saying Sanju is the only option. ALl i say is it is unfair to kick him out of his position bring this guy ahead of so many youngsters like Jaiswal. If you can't even call that is unfair that makes you the cancer not me.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

Like GIll did lol Failed in WTC finals twice. World cup 2023 failed. Made a 31 in 50 balls in the 2025 CT final. Asia cup final fail. That too after two wicekts fell down. He played like an idiot. Failed in U19 world cup final. Hardly any success. Axar patel delivered in the WT20 final. Dube delivered in WT20 final. Gill has absolutely done nothing in LOI format to be called some kind of clutch player. If anything he gets owned by random spinner as he can't pick which way ball turns.

My other response was deleted. I will be more diplomatic this time: This is exactly the kind of response that belongs to the Hall of Shame!

 

[jnaveen1980]

My dear friends, let’s stop the debate here, both Gill and Abhishek are good batsmen. Let’s wait for a couple of tournaments before making any judgments.

T20s are not exactly the greatest format. Nobody rates wins there. Even tournament wins. They have this world cup every two years which make this tournament meaningless. It is an ideal format to bring in new talents and give exposure. This guy inersting himself into this format is cringeworthy at best.

 

[jnaveen1980]

My other response was deleted. I will be more diplomatic this time: This is exactly the kind of response that belongs to the Hall of Shame!

Dude Just because "I am right you are wrong" won't make you right. I am nto the only one who is disgusted with this backdoor entry as vice captain.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

Dude Just because "I am right you are wrong" won't make you right. I am nto the only one who is disgusted with this backdoor entry as vice captain.

You, sir, are a black hole of logic -- so dense that not even the light of evidence can escape your gravitational pull of ignorance.

I bid you goodbye, and may your next conversation be with a mirror, so at least one participant is capable of reflection!

 

[Champ_Pal]

Gill is the new Golden boy. He will soon replace SKY as T20 captain too.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Gill is the new Golden boy. He will soon replace SKY as T20 captain too.

SKY needs to go. Axar was VC before. HE is out of favor now. Next choice should have been Hardik Pandya.