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Shubman Gill or Babar Azam - Who will be the number one ODI batter when the 2023 World Cup ends?

Shubman Gill or Babar Azam - Who will be the number one ODI batter when the 2023 World Cup ends?

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As it stands.

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But what's the reality?

We know Babar's records but has Gill been tested properly?

Which of these will come out on top when the World Cup ends?
 
List of batsmen better then babar, and I say this as an unbiased fan, because I still acknowledge babar as a good batsmen, he's a good accumulator and an important anchorer. He's just being overrated to kholi Level.

Anyway heres the list.

1) Gill
2) Kholi
3) Sheryas Iyer
4) Ishan Kishan
5) Devon Conway
6) Kane Williamson
7) Darly Mitchell
8) Butler
9) Bairstow
10) Malan
11) Root
12) Roy
13) Travis Head
14) Steven Smith
15) David Warner
16) Quinton Deqock

Babar is no 17 though imo in the world atm.
 
Both are amazing batsmen.

Babar right now is so far ahead in terms of points that I don’t see Gill catching up in the official ranking.

It is Gill’s first ICC tournament so let’s see how performs when teams are planning on how to get him out. I think he will have an amazing tournament.
 
mominsaigol said:
List of batsmen better then babar, and I say this as an unbiased fan, because I still acknowledge babar as a good batsmen, he's a good accumulator and an important anchorer. He's just being overrated to kholi Level.

Anyway heres the list.

1) Gill
2) Kholi
3) Sheryas Iyer
4) Ishan Kishan
5) Devon Conway
6) Kane Williamson
7) Darly Mitchell
8) Butler
9) Bairstow
10) Malan
11) Root
12) Roy
13) Travis Head
14) Steven Smith
15) David Warner
16) Quinton Deqock

Babar is no 17 though imo in the world atm.
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Question really is, where will Babar or Gill end up by end of the WC?
 
Both will score a lot. But the impact of their scores on the team performance will be something the world will be watching. Much as I like Babar, I think this is his last chance to dominate a WC and have everyone take him seriously in great player lists. For Gill, a few good scores will keep his fans happy as they'll believe he still has time to stamp himself on those lists.
 
The thread title should actually be ‘Shubman Gill v Shaheen Afridi’ who holds the key to their nation’s success?
 
I think it will be Babar Azam. This is his World Cup to dominate. Home conditions ( ancestral) and he is at the peak of his powers.

Gill is not a novice either. He has played two WTC Finals with a success ratio of 0.00%, a double hundred in New Zealand and a quality hundred yesterday in tricky conditions. But I feel he still has some more work to do to become a complete batsman with no weakness who is capable of dominating all types of bowling in all conditions consistently.
 
pillionrider said:
Both will score a lot. But the impact of their scores on the team performance will be something the world will be watching. Much as I like Babar, I think this is his last chance to dominate a WC and have everyone take him seriously in great player lists. For Gill, a few good scores will keep his fans happy as they'll believe he still has time to stamp himself on those lists.
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Babar did outscore Kohli is last WC. Kohli played 10 games Babar 9
 
Gill has scored runs in seaming conditions as an opener, he will definitely score plenty in non seaming conditions as well.

Believe that!
 
I think Gill will do better in this WC. Gill is a better limited overs batsman atm.

Gill is like Rohit Sharma ,once he's set at the crease he can accelerate brilliantly
 
It will still be Babar but as an unbiased fan, I will accept that Gill is going much better than Baber at the moment. He will surely be number 1 soon.
 
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So, round 1 goes to Gill based on the number of runs alone in this year's Asia Cup.
 
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Gill is very food against spinners, whereas Babar Azam struggles against spinners and against pacers both are equally good.

If I have to select one of them on current form I would pick Gill.

But let’s see how they fare in WC.
 
Gill has added an extra gear or two. In top gear he can be utterly destructive. One thing i have not noticed with him is stat padding. He takes time alright to get his eye in. But once he starts the acceleration he doesn't pause. He got to 50, 100, 150, 200 with 3 sixes and 1 four.
 
Gill plays fearless brand of cricket , I think Babar may score more runs but Gill will create more impact. We need to get over these stats fascination, and look whose runs are making impact and winning big tournaments.
 
jattafridi said:
Shubman Vs Babar no competition

Easy win for Prince Gill future great india is so lucky 👍
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Shubman has the potential to become a future great, but Babar is way ahead of him with his achievements.

This comparison between Babar and Shubman is much like when you compare Babar to Kohli.
 
In Kohli's own words Gill was way ahead of him at the same age of Kohli. Both are hard workers. Having said that Gill is a work in progress. Being an all formatter and league cricketer and be equally good in all 3 is very hard. Jaiswal is probably going to follow his footsteps who i rate as a technically sound long formatter and has innate aggression to go with. In future they will complement each other very well. Then Ruturaj is another untapped talent at the highest level. Among the next gen Yash Dhull will join these guys. Prithvi shaw seriously missed out on becoming the next Sehwag.
 
Ab Fan said:
I think it will be Babar Azam. This is his World Cup to dominate. Home conditions ( ancestral) and he is at the peak of his powers.

Gill is not a novice either. He has played two WTC Finals with a success ratio of 0.00%, a double hundred in New Zealand and a quality hundred yesterday in tricky conditions. But I feel he still has some more work to do to become a complete batsman with no weakness who is capable of dominating all types of bowling in all conditions consistently.
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What about Babar . Is he a complete batsman with no weakness who is capable of dominating all kinds of bowling consistently?
 
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It's really interesting how cricket fans from different parts of the world have their own take on their favorite players. Take Shubman Gill, for instance. He's been performing exceptionally well in the ODIs and is currently ranked as the second-best batter globally. Impressive, right? But you might notice that we Indians don't boast about his ranking as much as our Pakistani friends talk about Babar Azam being the top-ranked ODI batter.

Some of us even suggest moving Gill down the order because of his occasional struggle against the moving ball, and we're pretty critical of his batting, even though he consistently racks up runs. Remember his fantastic 91 runs in the Gabba Test while chasing against the Aussies? That was a game-changer and something Babar Azam is yet to do against Australia in Australia.

But here's the question: Why do Pakistanis seem to have this special obsession with Babar Azam, often putting him on a pedestal above players like Kohli, Smith, Root, and even the legendary Bradman? What is it about Babar Azam that makes him stand out in terms of winning major trophies for his team, to the point where some treat him like the second coming of Bradman?

Let's not forget that in his relatively short career, Shubman Gill has delivered more impactful innings than Babar Azam has managed. So, maybe it's time to step back from obsessing over Babar Azam's first-place ODI ranking and realize that Gill is not too far behind. In India, we tend to value a player's contribution to the team's success rather than just their personal milestones.

It's all part of the beauty of cricket, the endless debates, the passion, and the unwavering support for our favorite players. So, what do you think? Is Babar Azam truly the best, or does Shubman Gill deserve more recognition? Let's have a friendly debate!
 
RainStopsPlay said:
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It's really interesting how cricket fans from different parts of the world have their own take on their favorite players. Take Shubman Gill, for instance. He's been performing exceptionally well in the ODIs and is currently ranked as the second-best batter globally. Impressive, right? But you might notice that we Indians don't boast about his ranking as much as our Pakistani friends talk about Babar Azam being the top-ranked ODI batter.

Some of us even suggest moving Gill down the order because of his occasional struggle against the moving ball, and we're pretty critical of his batting, even though he consistently racks up runs. Remember his fantastic 91 runs in the Gabba Test while chasing against the Aussies? That was a game-changer and something Babar Azam is yet to do against Australia in Australia.

But here's the question: Why do Pakistanis seem to have this special obsession with Babar Azam, often putting him on a pedestal above players like Kohli, Smith, Root, and even the legendary Bradman? What is it about Babar Azam that makes him stand out in terms of winning major trophies for his team, to the point where some treat him like the second coming of Bradman?

Let's not forget that in his relatively short career, Shubman Gill has delivered more impactful innings than Babar Azam has managed. So, maybe it's time to step back from obsessing over Babar Azam's first-place ODI ranking and realize that Gill is not too far behind. In India, we tend to value a player's contribution to the team's success rather than just their personal milestones.

It's all part of the beauty of cricket, the endless debates, the passion, and the unwavering support for our favorite players. So, what do you think? Is Babar Azam truly the best, or does Shubman Gill deserve more recognition? Let's have a friendly debate!
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Largely bcoz Pakistan never produced great batsmen unlike India. So when they got 1 decent batter, they hyped him to the moon
 
RainStopsPlay said:
View attachment 136559

It's really interesting how cricket fans from different parts of the world have their own take on their favorite players. Take Shubman Gill, for instance. He's been performing exceptionally well in the ODIs and is currently ranked as the second-best batter globally. Impressive, right? But you might notice that we Indians don't boast about his ranking as much as our Pakistani friends talk about Babar Azam being the top-ranked ODI batter.

Some of us even suggest moving Gill down the order because of his occasional struggle against the moving ball, and we're pretty critical of his batting, even though he consistently racks up runs. Remember his fantastic 91 runs in the Gabba Test while chasing against the Aussies? That was a game-changer and something Babar Azam is yet to do against Australia in Australia.

But here's the question: Why do Pakistanis seem to have this special obsession with Babar Azam, often putting him on a pedestal above players like Kohli, Smith, Root, and even the legendary Bradman? What is it about Babar Azam that makes him stand out in terms of winning major trophies for his team, to the point where some treat him like the second coming of Bradman?

Let's not forget that in his relatively short career, Shubman Gill has delivered more impactful innings than Babar Azam has managed. So, maybe it's time to step back from obsessing over Babar Azam's first-place ODI ranking and realize that Gill is not too far behind. In India, we tend to value a player's contribution to the team's success rather than just their personal milestones.

It's all part of the beauty of cricket, the endless debates, the passion, and the unwavering support for our favorite players. So, what do you think? Is Babar Azam truly the best, or does Shubman Gill deserve more recognition? Let's have a friendly debate!
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Gill is good but he is very far from finished product and that is okay. He is pretty young and still very inexperienced. He will make huge impacts in LOI but will struggle in longer version of the game. His current technique and stroke play will not stand up against moving ball. He might come up with strong answers. He has struggled in Tests apart from few impactful innnings. But overall he needs time to prove himself. But his ceiling is higher than Babar. In LOIs i will take Gill over Babar anyday, but right now tests Babar is better and more reliable
 
It will be a close one but I would say that Babar would still be number 1 bastman in the world at the end of the world cup.
 
I think Shubman Gill is likely to reach the number 1 spot by the end of this year, knowing the fact how the ICC tends to favor Indian players in their score ratings.
 
Gill is an excellent batsman, his shots are a treat to watch.

Not sure how he will hold up against Babar this WC but Gill will likely be the highest scorer in WC for India. They both have a different role as one opens so a completely different mindset and approach to the game for Gill compared to Babar.

Will he replace Babar from #1 spot, not this year but likely will in near future if he carries his current form.
 
The way Shubman's ratings are increasing, I doubt that Babar will keep his number 1 spot at the end of this World Cup. I don't get this ICC rating system.
 
Gill at this age is far better than Babar. He will soon become the No.1 Batsman in ODIs.
 
BouncerGuy said:
The way Shubman's ratings are increasing, I doubt that Babar will keep his number 1 spot at the end of this World Cup. I don't get this ICC rating system.
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The gap between Babar Azam & Shubman Gill reduced to 43 in ICC ODI batters ranking.
Gill has a great chance to become number 1 through Australia ODIs.
Shubman Gill could become the No.1 Ranked ODI batter if he scores around 200 runs in the upcoming series Vs Australia.
 
Devadwal said:
The gap between Babar Azam & Shubman Gill reduced to 43 in ICC ODI batters ranking.
Gill has a great chance to become number 1 through Australia ODIs.
Shubman Gill could become the No.1 Ranked ODI batter if he scores around 200 runs in the upcoming series Vs Australia.
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I still don't get this rating system. Just 1 good game and you are in the top 3.
 
Gill doing everything right at the moment.

57* at the moment against Australia.
 
Gill about to take the lead in the ODI ranking...
 
Shubman Gill rested from the 3rd ODI .this means he now can't become no 1 before world cup
 
Babar is good, but stop hyping him as the no 1 bat in ODIs. What actually has he achieved in ODIs? He plays every single ODI no matter against which team. Look at Gill or other top players, they do not play every single game. they let new/younger players also get some game time.

Babar has got the squad he wanted, now its up to him to actually stand up and deliver on the big stage.
 
Thanos said:
Seems fair decision by mgmt. Ranking is secondary. He should get some rest and we shouldn't let Aussies find any gap in his game before our WC league match.
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Yea it's a good decision .he is also need a rest for few day
 
Cricket Warrior said:
I think Shubman Gill is likely to reach the number 1 spot by the end of this year, knowing the fact how the ICC tends to favor Indian players in their score ratings.
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Do Indian players get more points for scoring a 50 or 100 as compared to players from other countries?

The reason Babar stays at no. 1 is because most of the other top teams like India, England, Aus NZ etc regularly rest their top players while Babar and co play against even Netherlands, Afghanistan and Ireland. Usually players lose 1% of their points for every match they miss due to injury or rest which is usually 7-8 points for top players. Kohli and Rohit got around 16 points deducted for having rested in the 1st 2 ODIs against Australia. This means loss of points as well as opportunity to score easy runs.

Whereas Gill being a young player is not rested (except for the t20 series against Ireland last month). So Gill had the opportunity to quickly catch-up with Babar and now with yestreday's 100 he is now just inches away. Even if he fails in the 3rd ODI he will get a minimum of 9 matches in the WC. Gill is likely to claim the no. 1 spot early in the WC and maintain it till the end of the WC.

But the most important thing I am looking for is how many suns they score against SENA teams as both are likely to cash in on teams like west indies, netherlands and SL. How they fare against top teams will also impact their team's journey in the WC.
 
babar azam has a prior world cup experience in 2019 and currently one of the top batters in the world. Shubman gill may feel the pressure of world cup and the enormity. I feel babar would score more. - An indian fan
 
mikeypbadana86 said:
babar azam has a prior world cup experience in 2019 and currently one of the top batters in the world. Shubman gill may feel the pressure of world cup and the enormity. I feel babar would score more. - An indian fan
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The way Shubman is performing it's very unlikely that he will take any sort of pressure, as he has already scored significant number of runs recently which should boost his confidence enough to maintain his form.

Additionally, the World Cup is being held in India which will further alleviate any pressure he might feel becasue he would be playing on his home grounds.
 
Devadwal said:
Shubman Gill rested from the 3rd ODI .this means he now can't become no 1 before world cup
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IN the last 2 years. Only two players who didn't miss any matches for their country were Babar Azam and Fakhar among the leading batsmen.

WIlliamson 25 matches missed
Rohit sharma 20 missed matches
Kohli 17
Bairstow 14
Root 13
Steve smith 11
Travis head 10
Warner 6
Van der dussen 5
Imam 5
De kock 4
Babar 0
Fakhar 0
 
Babar could win a racing contest based upon his latest speeding fine....

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As per media reports, Babar Azam received a fine from the traffic authorities on September 17 in Lahore's Gulberg.

The fine, totalling Rs2,000, was imposed for two violations: driving without a valid driver's license and a lane violation.

Initially, Babar was stopped for a lane violation, but during the interaction with the police, it was discovered that he did not possess a valid driver's license.
 
MenInG said:
Babar could win a racing contest based upon his latest speeding fine....

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As per media reports, Babar Azam received a fine from the traffic authorities on September 17 in Lahore's Gulberg.

The fine, totalling Rs2,000, was imposed for two violations: driving without a valid driver's license and a lane violation.

Initially, Babar was stopped for a lane violation, but during the interaction with the police, it was discovered that he did not possess a valid driver's license.
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Babar is looking for a new job I guess. People want to sack him from the captaincy and the team as well after this World Cup. No wonder he is trying for a Formula 1 job now. LOL
 
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Ranking before the start of World cup. Will Shubman gill be able to surpass the Babar azam in this tournament?
 
Gill rested for the third ODI against Australia.

Good to see our players and TM treat these rankings in the only way they should be treated.
 
has gill Play toda match then he is going to enter world cup as no. 1 odi batter
 
Gill is easily the most talented batsmen of this generation and will dominate world cricket for at least the next 10 years.

Babar isn't even the most talented cricketer in Pakistan (Saud Shakeel is) however he will continue to stat pad and play the good innings on occasion
 
With Pakistan not scheduled to play an official ODI match until their World Cup opener and Gill set to sit out India's final clash of their series against Australia, it means Babar will enter this year's tournament with the top ranking.

The race between Babar and Gill at the top of the batter rankings will continue to be closely fought throughout the six weeks of the World Cup, with the pair holding a massive lead on their nearest challengers.
 
CerebralPatriot said:
Gill is easily the most talented batsmen of this generation and will dominate world cricket for at least the next 10 years.

Babar isn't even the most talented cricketer in Pakistan (Saud Shakeel is) however he will continue to stat pad and play the good innings on occasion
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To be completly fair to Babar, he isn't a bad batsmen, nor does he deliberately stat pad, it's just sides don't play their best teams. He is a good player.

My only issue with babar is that the media has hyped him up so much, that he now genuinely thinks he's the best player and he's the god of cricket. He has clearly let ego get to his head.

I wish he'd just give up captaincy and the whole cycle of friendship and focus on his batting. I don't mind him being at no 3, but he really needs to stop the stat pad culture. The ego drama started when he promoted himself to open in t20.
 
I think he has already surpassed Babar. Just waiting for New Updated ICC ODI ranking list after today's Ind vs Aus match.
 
CerebralPatriot said:
Gill is easily the most talented batsmen of this generation and will dominate world cricket for at least the next 10 years.

Babar isn't even the most talented cricketer in Pakistan (Saud Shakeel is) however he will continue to stat pad and play the good innings on occasion
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I still remember the days when the expert of PP hailed Amad Butt as the second coming on Waqar and Ponting rolled into one. Well, he turned out to a batsman like Waqar and a bowler like Ponting.

I do think that Gill is a very talented batter and I have been following him for some time now but he has a long way to go before being compared to Babar. Like the ODI ranking isnt evidence of Babar being better than Kohli, the same way, these ranking shouldnt be an evidence of Gill being better than Babar.
 
Moiza said:
I still remember the days when the expert of PP hailed Amad Butt as the second coming on Waqar and Ponting rolled into one. Well, he turned out to a batsman like Waqar and a bowler like Ponting.

I do think that Gill is a very talented batter and I have been following him for some time now but he has a long way to go before being compared to Babar. Like the ODI ranking isnt evidence of Babar being better than Kohli, the same way, these ranking shouldnt be an evidence of Gill being better than Babar.
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Gill is already ahead of Babar by the virtue of the fact that his runs have contributed to a SENA series win for India whereas Babar's runs have contributed zero SENA wins for Pakistan

You are right about the fact that rankings don't matter and that is why in my books Gill is already leaps and bounds ahead of Babar and this world cup will prove me right
 
mominsaigol said:
To be completly fair to Babar, he isn't a bad batsmen, nor does he deliberately stat pad, it's just sides don't play their best teams. He is a good player.

My only issue with babar is that the media has hyped him up so much, that he now genuinely thinks he's the best player and he's the god of cricket. He has clearly let ego get to his head.

I wish he'd just give up captaincy and the whole cycle of friendship and focus on his batting. I don't mind him being at no 3, but he really needs to stop the stat pad culture. The ego drama started when he promoted himself to open in t20.
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I agree with that as besides Saud and Saim, Babar is probably our third most talented batsmen.

Now where I disagree is about him deliberately stat padding. As captain he has a lot of power and we see him abuse this power by playing himself in every game, whether it is against Australia C, Netherlands or Nepal. The fact that he is always playing goes to show that he cares less about developing a solid bench and more so cares about adding more runs to his inflated average.

Again with captaincy I agree however the only way for him to go is for a group stage knockout this world cup and than maybe we can see an actual competent captain take the reigns
 
CerebralPatriot said:
Gill is already ahead of Babar by the virtue of the fact that his runs have contributed to a SENA series win for India whereas Babar's runs have contributed zero SENA wins for Pakistan

You are right about the fact that rankings don't matter and that is why in my books Gill is already leaps and bounds ahead of Babar and this world cup will prove me right
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Didnt we win the tour of SA in 2021 where Zimbaber contributed very heavily with the bat?

Or was that a Z South Africa team and that doesnt count?
 
Moiza said:
Didnt we win the tour of SA in 2021 where Zimbaber contributed very heavily with the bat?

Or was that a Z South Africa team and that doesnt count?
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I was referring to test cricket in my original post but sure if you count a series win vs South Africa in which by the 3rd ODi most of SA's big guns had gone to play the IPL, be my guest
 
RainStopsPlay said:
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It's really interesting how cricket fans from different parts of the world have their own take on their favorite players. Take Shubman Gill, for instance. He's been performing exceptionally well in the ODIs and is currently ranked as the second-best batter globally. Impressive, right? But you might notice that we Indians don't boast about his ranking as much as our Pakistani friends talk about Babar Azam being the top-ranked ODI batter.

Some of us even suggest moving Gill down the order because of his occasional struggle against the moving ball, and we're pretty critical of his batting, even though he consistently racks up runs. Remember his fantastic 91 runs in the Gabba Test while chasing against the Aussies? That was a game-changer and something Babar Azam is yet to do against Australia in Australia.

But here's the question: Why do Pakistanis seem to have this special obsession with Babar Azam, often putting him on a pedestal above players like Kohli, Smith, Root, and even the legendary Bradman? What is it about Babar Azam that makes him stand out in terms of winning major trophies for his team, to the point where some treat him like the second coming of Bradman?

Let's not forget that in his relatively short career, Shubman Gill has delivered more impactful innings than Babar Azam has managed. So, maybe it's time to step back from obsessing over Babar Azam's first-place ODI ranking and realize that Gill is not too far behind. In India, we tend to value a player's contribution to the team's success rather than just their personal milestones.

It's all part of the beauty of cricket, the endless debates, the passion, and the unwavering support for our favorite players. So, what do you think? Is Babar Azam truly the best, or does Shubman Gill deserve more recognition? Let's have a friendly debate!
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Babar already has a 100 and a 97 in AUS from his last Australia tour. It isn't his fault that his team isn't as good as IND
 
Moiza said:
Didnt we win the tour of SA in 2021 where Zimbaber contributed very heavily with the bat?

Or was that a Z South Africa team and that doesnt count?
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Pakistan won ODI series 2-1. Babar scored a ton and a 94 while got out early in one of the matches where fakhar scored 193. The century Babar scored was against Rabada, Nortje an Ndidi :)
 
heddie19 said:
Pakistan won ODI series 2-1. Babar scored a ton and a 94 while got out early in one of the matches where fakhar scored 193. The century Babar scored was against Rabada, Nortje an Ndidi :)
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My post was a sarcastic reply to another poster but it seems like a troll accounts so I would consider my post wasted
 
Moiza said:
My post was a sarcastic reply to another poster but it seems like a troll accounts so I would consider my post wasted
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No, fans do have a memory loss issue. I am sure the forgot what you were being sarcastic about.
 
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