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Shubman Gill versus Abdullah Shafique

Gill is already an established player of the indian XI and with this good debut I think Abdullah Shafique will also have a good run in the side.

Abdullah seems very good technically, good temperament and we know he also can play strokes. In Test's and maybe also ODI's he can go a long way.
 
I think this will be interesting to see who has a better career both are highly rated in thier respective countries.
 
Gavaskar --> Tendulkar --> Kohli

I basically see Gill as the successor to Kohli in the future as India's premier batsman. It would be a huge disappointment if Gill doesn't fulfill his talent and promise.

Haven't watched enough of Abdullah Shafique to form an opinion. But he would do well to emulate Babar, who is a fine batsman.
 
I feel this is the next Kohli vs Babar

Abdullah is 20

Shubman is 21


Both were beasts at regional level, where they not only averaged 50, they averaged 80+ in certain tournaments

Shubman had the longer India u19 career, whereas Abdullah was discarded after a few innings

Who will end up the better player?

And who is the better player now?

Shafique is at least 3-4 years older than Gill. There is no way they are the same age. He is another age-fudger.
 
Honestly Shubman Gill hasn't justified his talent. He won't get more golden opportunities than this yet he is not able to convert his starts into hundred.

He needs to do something special in this tour otherwise I see him being dropped from playing 11 in SA.
 
Gill’s technique is so pure. Unless he suffers from a career-ending injury, I believe he will reach Kohli’s heights (at least in Test cricket) because he is so mature and level-headed. His composure is remarkable.

been getting bowled or lbw with a very wide gap between bat and pad. Needs to improve his pure technique
 
Gill will have a better career than Babar let alone Shafique.

Gill is in the league of Tendulkar and Kohli. Babar is not in that league and Shafique is not in Babar’s league.

Gill will score 70+ international hundreds. Shafique will do very well to manage 20+.

What happened to prithvi tendulkar?
 
Both coincidentally make 52 in their respective first innings.
 
Too soon to compare Gill & Shafique. Gill has played vs Australia away & performed very good for a debutant.

Shafiq real test will be vs SENA countries I hope he gets to bat for Pakistan in atleast 10 test matches for Pakistan in a row & isn't thrown out like most of our openers after poor start to their career, good thing for Shafique is that Pakistan don't have any difficult away tour coming up in this cycle.

Gill hasn't set the world on fire since his debut but you can get the idea that what we can expect from him.
 
Pujara and Rahane should be gone only then Iyer and Gill have a chance to make the 11

KL Rahul
R Sharma
S Gill (In Place of Pujara)
V Kohli *
S Iyer (In Place of Rahane)
R Pant +
R Jadeja
 
Too soon to compare Gill & Shafique. Gill has played vs Australia away & performed very good for a debutant.

Shafiq real test will be vs SENA countries I hope he gets to bat for Pakistan in atleast 10 test matches for Pakistan in a row & isn't thrown out like most of our openers after poor start to their career, good thing for Shafique is that Pakistan don't have any difficult away tour coming up in this cycle.

Gill hasn't set the world on fire since his debut but you can get the idea that what we can expect from him.

Also thier isn't much openers baring 1 or 2 that should be opening
 
I am not sure about shafique. But Gill is not suited for opener position. He is a strokemaker and should bat #4 and be dominant in middle order
 
Decent start to both but it’s really difficult to keep up with the Indian batsmen, let alone with a talent like Gill

Gill is indeed maintaining high standards. Not letting his test average slip under 30 so far, it will be hard for Shafique to bat at this level.
 
Gill is indeed maintaining high standards. Not letting his test average slip under 30 so far, it will be hard for Shafique to bat at this level.

We’re talking about potential here. If we really go by numbers Babar was averaging below 30 after same amount of innings.
 
We’re talking about potential here. If we really go by numbers Babar was averaging below 30 after same amount of innings.

No one ever put Babar in the league of legendary batsmen. Gill, (who I tend to rate) has done next to nothing to far and the only names you see mentioned are those of Tendulkar etc.
Like comparing AbdullahShafique with him is a sort of crime. The usual overrating of their players by indian fans.
 
No one ever put Babar in the league of legendary batsmen. Gill, (who I tend to rate) has done next to nothing to far and the only names you see mentioned are those of Tendulkar etc.
Like comparing AbdullahShafique with him is a sort of crime. The usual overrating of their players by indian fans.

I never called Gill Tendulkar level so I don’t know what u are talking about. I myself compared them both lol. U need to relax
 
No one ever put Babar in the league of legendary batsmen. Gill, (who I tend to rate) has done next to nothing to far and the only names you see mentioned are those of Tendulkar etc.
Like comparing AbdullahShafique with him is a sort of crime. The usual overrating of their players by indian fans.

Gill already played a important role in his debut series ( Australia) unlike softie Babar Azam .
 
We’re talking about potential here. If we really go by numbers Babar was averaging below 30 after same amount of innings.

If we are going by potential then shafique is rated very highly in Pakistan even by the likes of Babar and Rashid.
 
Indian and Pakistani posters have the tendency to big up their young batting and bowling talents against the other side's best ever. Really gets under the skin of the other side.

I love it.

Basically, no one knows how their respective careers will turn out. We have launched many a ATG careers which didn't go past 2 years.
 
Why do people keep comparing Pakistani players with Indian players and not with players from other test playing nations.There is too much focus on Indian players on this forum.
 
Shafiquq has a lot of potential.

I remember that WC Under 19 semi final in NZ when India played Pakistan, that was the first time I saw Gill bat and I have to say I don't think I've seen such a composed player for his age. He looked a class apart and really me made take notice.

Three things stood out for me in that Tournament.

Gills batting

Shaheen's bowling

Dravids coaching/management
 
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Gill is ahead in his development and with the Ind batting culture he will go and score lots of run. AS needs to focus on improving and everything will fall into place.
 
No proof required. All Pakistani cricketers are age-fudgers unless proved otherwise.

That’s not how the ICC, the governing body sees it. As it stands, Naseem Shah is the youngest bowler to achieve a Test hat trick at 16 years of age.
 
India got too many batsman fighting for place in playing 11 and specially for opening slot.
Rohit, Rahul, Mayank, Gill, Shaw, Vihari, Iyer etc.
Problem is no one gets a good run for opening.
An opening batsman doesn't perform in two matches in a row and he gets dropped.

Shaw performed bad in few matches and Gill replaced him. Gill was replaced by Rahul against Eng if I am not wrong. He is back again as opener since Rohit and KL Rahul not playing.
Once Rohit and Rahul are back, Gill will be either dropped or his batting position will change. Same thing with Mayank.
Sometimes it's good to have less number of batsmen so they get enough chances to prove.

Gill, Shaw, Mayank, Iyer ec. these poor guys aren't getting enough chances.

It's time to drop Rahane and keep Pujara on notice. Rohit-Rahul to open followed by Gill at 3 and VK at 4.
Shubhman gill deserves to play regularly for India.
 
Both are amazing.

But Shubman has a technical problem, stays far too back when defending.
 
Gone for 44 - looked well set for a bigger score.
 
Gil has Babar syndrome

Getting good looking and fluent starts but not converting it.
 
This is also a racist generalisation btw.

Also it makes our players look god gifted.
Imagine, most cricketers retire at 34-36 years old but ours are just getting started at 40 (e.g. Fawad Alam), what is more they are performing at the very highest level.
 
India got too many batsman fighting for place in playing 11 and specially for opening slot.
Rohit, Rahul, Mayank, Gill, Shaw, Vihari, Iyer etc.
Problem is no one gets a good run for opening.
An opening batsman doesn't perform in two matches in a row and he gets dropped.

Shaw performed bad in few matches and Gill replaced him. Gill was replaced by Rahul against Eng if I am not wrong. He is back again as opener since Rohit and KL Rahul not playing.
Once Rohit and Rahul are back, Gill will be either dropped or his batting position will change. Same thing with Mayank.
Sometimes it's good to have less number of batsmen so they get enough chances to prove.

Gill, Shaw, Mayank, Iyer ec. these poor guys aren't getting enough chances.

It's time to drop Rahane and keep Pujara on notice. Rohit-Rahul to open followed by Gill at 3 and VK at 4.
Shubhman gill deserves to play regularly for India.

Good point. Our team should be :-

Rohit
KL
Gill
Kohli
Shreyas/ Vihari
Pant(wkt)
 
Technically, they both are better than other young players from their respective countries. I personally feel Gill has a higher ceiling, however, Abdullah will get more chances to prove himself due to the lack of good openers.
 
So after missing the eblgand tour he is also missing the SA one.
Unfortunate for Gill.
 
Apart from the glaring weakness against incoming deliveries, Gill has major temperament related issues. Bats like a dream for 40-50 runs and gets out against the run of play, happening far too often now. Hope Dravid works on him and makes him justify his talent. No better mentor/coach for young promising batsman than 'The Wall'.
 
Think Gill's best format will be ODIs, tough to get in because of the selfish top three and mafia sponsors. If it were up to me I'd give him an extended run at number 3.
 
Gill is wasting too many opportunities. India has the depth to replace him quickly whereas Abdullah can be given an extended run due to lack of talent.
 
Gill has whole body of work since his U-19 days.. Domestic Cricket and then India A tours.
He has been seen and all videos about him are available to opposition to analyse and he is just 10 test's old.
He will be given a long rope and will come good with time.
Abdullah is bit of an unknown quantity, but has shown good composure in Test matches vs BD, something i expect from Haider Ali as well when he gets chance in Test Team.

The challenge is when you play against stronger bowling attacks, how you adapt to that.
Gill has couple of fifties and scores of 40 plus against the likes of Southee/Jameison/Anderson/Starc/Cummins etc.. opening the innings.
Let's judge Shafique when he plays against these guys. Right now his game looks solid, offcourse there will be few chinks which will be exposed.

Gill
Haider Ali
Shafique

Exciting prospects to take Asian Test Match batting forward.
 
This has more potential than umar akmal vs Kohli...

Pakistan's young batsmen like Shafiq and Muhammad Haris are so impressive...
 
Shafique got drafted on the basis of the ten years of club cricket he has played. He has not even played enough domestic cricket yet.
 
So Abdullah Shafique is the first to get to his maiden test hundred.

Good start for him.
 
AS is kind of ahead of Gill right now

Better start to Test career

Also a PSL winner with LQ in his first full PSL season.

I think Shafique is already better than all batsman in South Asia besides Indian batsmen
 
cant make the comparison until Abdullah Shafiq bats in Aus/Nz/SA ....

for inferiority midgets who bark for indians all the time, they can bark as much as they want for now
 
AS is kind of ahead of Gill right now

Better start to Test career

Also a PSL winner with LQ in his first full PSL season.

I think Shafique is already better than all batsman in South Asia besides Indian batsmen

Gill’s 91 on day 5 to help India chase down 329 at the Gabba will probably tower over anything that Shafique’s achieves in his career.

One can only laugh at the delusional assessment that Shafique is ahead of Gill and has had a better star to his career.

Shafique won’t even make India’s bench at this point. Even Imran Butt would have scored a hundred on this pitch.
 
Generally Indian batsmen are always superior than us apart from few exception like Zaheer, Miandad, Malik, Inzamam... Its the bowling won us most of the matches. Many cases our batsmen even failed to chase 150.
 
It is always a folly to compare a Pakistani batsman with his Indian counterpart. Indian batsmen have way more talent and skill and their mentality is superior as well.
 
Don't you get tired man?? You have been sounding like a robot with prefed messages from so long now. Give us a break.
 
Gill’s 91 on day 5 to help India chase down 329 at the Gabba will probably tower over anything that Shafique’s achieves in his career.

One can only laugh at the delusional assessment that Shafique is ahead of Gill and has had a better star to his career.

Shafique won’t even make India’s bench at this point. Even Imran Butt would have scored a hundred on this pitch.

If only your words can do the batting for Gill…
 
It is always a folly to compare a Pakistani batsman with his Indian counterpart. Indian batsmen have way more talent and skill and their mentality is superior as well.

I think the basic difference is that Indian players are generally more street smart and cunning than Pak players.
It’s perhaps their extra competitive social environment where Lallu Panju types can’t come up on the top - and if they do, they can’t survive for long.

Their game awareness is also pretty good which helps them take right decisions at the right time.

And then their quality of cricket is better for a few reasons - first, their batting culture and their standard of domestic cricket is superior.

Second, they have an extremely well organized school level cricket in place.
Those coaches at school level know the right things.

Third, their youngsters do not play with tape ball.
Batting in competitive tape ball cricket is a poison for hardball players.
Tape ball batting does not encourage learning how to pierce the gaps for singles to keep the scoreboard rotating.
It does not build any temperament in the batsmen since the only shot the batsman always tries to play is a six.
Batsmen do not learn how to play mind games - it’s all about swinging the bat and hitting a six.
Competitive Tape ball is also horrible to encourage in development of any fielding skills and developing any running between the wickets skills.
You can be fat n unfit but if you can hit a couple of sixes, you are a superstar - no other skill or work ethic required.

And our entire generation of young batsmen go thru this horrible phase of playing competitive tape ball cricket. The biggest laanut of them all.
 
Gill's progress has been frustrating post that incredible debut series in Australia. He has failed at home against Eng and Nz and got injured right before the tours of England and SAF. He's already 23 and should have been a regular in Tests and ODIs by now.

But coming to topic, it'd be premature and dumb to say Shafique is better based on his recent hundred, which is arguably the softest of all the soft test hundreds.
 
Hope Gill doesn't fade away like Shaw.
 
Gill's progress has been frustrating post that incredible debut series in Australia. He has failed at home against Eng and Nz and got injured right before the tours of England and SAF. He's already 23 and should have been a regular in Tests and ODIs by now.

But coming to topic, it'd be premature and dumb to say Shafique is better based on his recent hundred, which is arguably the softest of all the soft test hundreds.
Completely agree.
 
Gill's progress has been frustrating post that incredible debut series in Australia. He has failed at home against Eng and Nz and got injured right before the tours of England and SAF. He's already 23 and should have been a regular in Tests and ODIs by now.

But coming to topic, it'd be premature and dumb to say Shafique is better based on his recent hundred, which is arguably the softest of all the soft test hundreds.
Gill failed vs Nz?
4 innings
1 50
2 40 + scores
And one single digit score.
That's hardly a failure
 
As of now, can't judge who's better, Gill started in a spectacular manner in Aus but failed against Eng in Ind and after that he has been mostly injured.
As for Abdullah, this 100 came on a pitch where even Kohli could score one, so that's hardly a parameter to rate him higher.
 
Gill is an exceptional talent and sooner or later he will become the player he is threatening to be. Abdullah is also a talented guy but it remains to be seen whether he will kick on because of our recent batting culture which has mostly been pretty average. A clearer picture of Abdullahs strengths and weaknesses will emerge when he plays on bouncy tracks with a movement.
 
Both are talented but Abdullah will have a better career definitely in tests.
 
gill is not good enough to displace sharma, rahul, agarwal at the moment. but shafique is good enough to hold his spot in the pak xi. he will get ample exposure, and as long as he continues to keep his head straight he can have a decent career.
 
Gill won’t get much exposure in the coming years, not good enough to replace the Indian openers at the moment while Abdullah should be able to get more games in provided he keeps the same intensity.

Difficult to judge, unfair on Gill.
 
gill is not good enough to displace sharma, rahul, agarwal at the moment. but shafique is good enough to hold his spot in the pak xi. he will get ample exposure, and as long as he continues to keep his head straight he can have a decent career.

He had no one to displace and had his own place.
But with an average of 32 you loose your spot, that's normal.
 
Gill is an exceptional talent. A treat to watch in the little I've seen of him in tests and u19 WC. Natural talent. Caresses the ball.

Abdullah on the other hand looks like he's modeled himself on Kohli, and plays with hard hands. Not as aesthetically pleasing as Babar/Haris. Looks slightly manufactured and robotic tbh, a bit like Root. But definitely has all the strokes.

One thing about Abdullah is that I feel he has lots of heart and character. A player Pakistan really needs in the lineup. One who scores when the chips are down. It'd be foolish to write him off after those T20Is.

He had no one to displace and had his own place.
But with an average of 32 you loose your spot, that's normal.

But according to some becouse he has 90 against Australia that's good enough compared to his 32 average.
 
He had no one to displace and had his own place.
But with an average of 32 you loose your spot, that's normal.

if memory serves me right he got into the squad cos rohit was injured. he had a good series in aus and got an extended run, but in indias hierarchy in terms of current opening ability id put gill behind rahul, rohit and mayank, and in terms of potential ability id put him behind shaw.
 
Gill is not a natural opener. He should bat at 3 in Tests. He is defo better than Mayank, Vihari, Shaw and Shreyas in overseas conditions. His time will come but a lot will depend on how he is handled and he handles the opportunity given to him.

My overseas team for next set would have Rohit, Rahul, Gill, Kohli, Vihari, Pant and Jadeja in the top 7 although the backups( Shaw, Mayank, Shreyas) are not all that good here except Washington Sundar who is a proper batting A/R.
 
Gill is not a natural opener. He should bat at 3 in Tests. He is defo better than Mayank, Vihari, Shaw and Shreyas in overseas conditions. His time will come but a lot will depend on how he is handled and he handles the opportunity given to him.

My overseas team for next set would have Rohit, Rahul, Gill, Kohli, Vihari, Pant and Jadeja in the top 7 although the backups( Shaw, Mayank, Shreyas) are not all that good here except Washington Sundar who is a proper batting A/R.

Do you think thiers a massive difference between opening and at number 3 ?
 
Gill will and should eventually slot in at no.4 post Kohli's retirement as his game is more suited to middle order than the opening spot. Till then, he should be slotted at 5 on a rotational basis with Iyer.

But knowing Indian cricket, we can never rule out the possibility of KL taking up that comfortable no.4 spot because of 'muh seniority' and Gill being pushed to open.
 
Gill is way more talented than Abdul Guy. Unfortunately can’t find a place in the 11 due to the talent of India

Gill’s 90 in Aus is greater than anything Abdul has and will ever do in his career.

Hence Gill > Abdul
 
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