Sitara-e-Imtiaz, a letter and PKR 1,000 for services to cricket for the Late Abdul Qadir

[MenInG]

A legendary leg-spinner, a man who made this nation proud is awarded a medal, after his death, and a sum of PKR 1,000 is sent in as a what? after thought?

Is this how we reward our legends?

Some would say that the medal is recognition enough but then what is the purpose of sending that money?

To me it's an insult.

Your views?


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sitara-e-Imtiaz which was awarded recently to the late Abdul Qadir. The award to the legendary leg-spinner for his services to cricket, was a letter, the medal and 1000 Rupees <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/BycwNcBr6P">pic.twitter.com/BycwNcBr6P</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1378267804458221569?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[Corridor of Uncertainty]

A deserved honor for the legendary, one and only Abdul Qadir.

I'd probably skip the money part in these awards as it is just a token amount - and shouldn't become focus.

Rest in peace, legend.

 

[Major]

Not a fan of giving rewards to people who have died.

It serves no point.

If you want to honor someone that honor them atleast when they are alive.

 

[Mirpur express]

Nothing wrong with being honoured after death!! only a Pakistani could find this insulting ,moan about it & make an issue of it * Why can’t we just savour that magician’s life & career instead!! They money ,as mentioned above, is irrelevant

 

[Saj]

Abdul Qadir's family aren't happy with the way this has been handled and especially the award of just 1000 Rupees.

 

[Major]

Nothing wrong with being honoured after death!! only a Pakistani could find this insulting ,moan about it & make an issue of it &#55358;&#56614;&#55356;&#57341;* Why can’t we just savour that magician’s life & career instead!! They money ,as mentioned above, is irrelevant

It serves no purpose. The person who achieved it passed away

Look at the noble prize. The award is never given posthumously.

 

[Majid Khan]

They should have just given the Sitara e Imtiaz and a letter and left it that.

The 1000rs token amount it wouldn’t surprise me was set back in the 1950s or something and has continued like that.. in this day and age it doesnt add much , but only devalues the sitara e Imtiaz that comes with it.

 

[Zaz]

Abdul Qadir's family aren't happy with the way this has been handled and especially the award of just 1000 Rupees.

Isnt the 1000 rupees just a symbolic amount the same to every recepient rather than a monetary gift?

Why wouldnt they be happy with the sitara Surely it should be of great honour and pride no?

 

[MenInG]

Abdul Qadir's family aren't happy with the way this has been handled and especially the award of just 1000 Rupees.

What was the purpose of PKR 1000? I am not clear about that at all

 

[Zaz]

It serves no purpose. The person who achieved it passed away

Look at the noble prize. The award is never given posthumously.

Just because the noble dont it doesnt mean other awards cant be given posthumously

It can never always be given during a persons lifetime
Qadir passed away relatively before his time Theres no harm in honouring him posthumously Its better to do it than not to do anything

It should be a matter of great pride and honour for his family and a recognition of his services to pakistan cricket

 

[golagunda]

Abdul Qadir is not the first cricketer to receive the Sitara-e-Imtiaz. Afridi, Sarfaraz and many others have gotten it and no one ever complained about the 1000rs. It is a symbolic gesture. People have become so materialistic these days that they are searching for monetary benefits in everything.

 

[MenInG]

Abdul Qadir is not the first cricketer to receive the Sitara-e-Imtiaz. Afridi, Sarfaraz and many others have gotten it and no one ever complained about the 1000rs. It is a symbolic gesture. People have become so materialistic these days that they are searching for monetary benefits in everything.

No one is being materialistic

Simple question is what is the point of PKR 1000 with the award? What is the need for that? If a monetary amount is given, then why is it so small?

 

[gazza619]

Knowing the fact that most of our people do not understand what a token gesture means and I doubt they ever will, the govt should remove this element going forward.

 

[golagunda]

No one is being materialistic

Simple question is what is the point of PKR 1000 with the award? What is the need for that? If a monetary amount is given, then why is it so small?

I feel it is probably more of a tradition at this point than anything else. Should it be removed or not is a separate debate and good arguments can be made for both sides. However, why the family finds getting 1000rs insulting is something I cant understand. It would have been understandable if other recipients had gotten much higher amounts but I assume that is not the case.

From a personal point of view, some of my older relatives still give me 50rs as Eidi or on my birthday. Does that mean I get offended by that? I know it is a symbolic gesture and those 50rs carry more meaning for me than some of the more expensive gifts I may get.

 

[MenInG]

I feel it is probably more of a tradition at this point than anything else. Should it be removed or not is a separate debate and good arguments can be made for both sides. However, why the family finds getting 1000rs insulting is something I cant understand. It would have been understandable if other recipients had gotten much higher amounts but I assume that is not the case.

From a personal point of view, some of my older relatives still give me 50rs as Eidi or on my birthday. Does that mean I get offended by that? I know it is a symbolic gesture and those 50rs carry more meaning for me than some of the more expensive gifts I may get.

The President of Pakistan sent you 1000 PKR - for what?

Unless we are missing something?

 

[golagunda]

The President of Pakistan sent you 1000 PKR - for what?

Unless we are missing something?

I dont think I said anything like that. I was referring to Saj's post which mentions that Abdual Qadirs family is not happy with getting 1000rs.

But if the President of Pakistan did send me 1000rs in recognition of something I did for my country I would feel deeply honored.

 

[topspin]

If I'm not mistaken 1000PKR is £5.

Disrespectful is an understatement.

 

[Saj]

If I'm not mistaken 1000PKR is £5.

Disrespectful is an understatement.

£4.71 as at today's rates.

 

[Saj]

I dont think I said anything like that. I was referring to Saj's post which mentions that Abdual Qadirs family is not happy with getting 1000rs.

But if the President of Pakistan did send me 1000rs in recognition of something I did for my country I would feel deeply honored.

The issues seem to be the amount and the fact that he got this award only after he passed away.

 

[Zaz]

The issues seem to be the amount and the fact that he got this award only after he passed away.

If every recepient gets the same amount i dont see the issue

They should focus more on the sitara award from the govt and the honour and prestige behind it

Id bite their hand off if this was awarded to me Like a poster said if my grandma gave me £5 would i be offended? Hell no Its the thought behind it that matters

Why does everything have to be monetary gain? Its a petty n negative argument by the family Focus on the positive

Would they happy if the award wasnt awarded? Silly logic from them

 

[Baigel]

I didn’t get the 1000 PKR at first either, but if it’s an old tradition then I’m all for it.

It’s more of a tradition than a monetary gift, and I think it’s cool especially if it’s traditional.

Reminds me of old school cricket tournaments in the dirt where the MOTT would get money, so cool!

 

[Mamoon]

In Pakistani culture, money is often given as a gift especially in weddings. If you give someone a mere 1,000 rupees, the other person is going to feel disrespected and you are going to look like a cheapskate.

It is better to not give any money than to give some pocket change.

His family has every right to feel to complain about this. They are financially very strong and they do not need some spare change from PCB.

As usual, people who don’t even live in Pakistan are giving their “expert” opinions and showing their ignorance about Pakistani culture.

 

[OMB]

whichever way you spin it, PKR 1000 is not right amount.
If you are going to give recognition posthumously, best to not offer money. it would have been far better to rename coaching academy or a new stand or ground in his name.

 

[Saj]

Abdul Qadir is a name known throughout the world.

The likes of Shane Warne have spoken highly of him as have in recent times Imran Tahir and others.

Batsmen such as David Gower and many more have also spoken about how they were mesmerised by his bowling.

I think if they wanted to give him this award, rather than give him 1000 rupees they should have named a stadium after him or a tournament perhaps.

 

[Zaz]

Abdul Qadir is a name known throughout the world.

The likes of Shane Warne have spoken highly of him as have in recent times Imran Tahir and others.

Batsmen such as David Gower and many more have also spoken about how they were mesmerised by his bowling.

I think if they wanted to give him this award, rather than give him 1000 rupees they should have named a stadium after him or a tournament perhaps.

Saj The sitara is the third highest civilian national award

Its not conferred on anyone its a very prestigious honour Why are people making it out to be something disrespectful? The 1000 rupees is given to every recepient isnt it as part of the award

Only in pakistan would someone complain when you receiving a national honour such as this

 

[Bigboii]

Saj The sitara is the third highest civilian national award

Its not conferred on anyone its a very prestigious honour Why are you making it out to be something disrespectful?

Only in pakistan would someone complain when you receiving a national honour such as this

What's disrespectful is him getting it after his death

And than a 1000 RP they shouldn't have given tham any money tbh the honor was enough imo

 

[OMB]

Create a coaching academy to turn out spinners like Abdul Qadir. Would have been a fitting tribute. surely there are marketing brains in PCB who can find potential sponsors

 

[golagunda]

Abdul Qadir is a name known throughout the world.

The likes of Shane Warne have spoken highly of him as have in recent times Imran Tahir and others.

Batsmen such as David Gower and many more have also spoken about how they were mesmerised by his bowling.

I think if they wanted to give him this award, rather than give him 1000 rupees they should have named a stadium after him or a tournament perhaps.

If the cash awards are determined on an individual basis and different recipients of the same award have gotten higher amounts than his family has every right to be aggrieved.

However, there are very specific rules regarding the conferment of civil awards like the Sitara-e-Imtiaz as it is the third highest civilian award of the country. I suspect this is a case where the specific laws determining the cash amount haven’t been updated for a long time. If that is the case than the whole point is moot. It is not like they have singled out Abdul Qadir and given everyone else higher amounts. And people like Sarfaraz, Afridi, many people from showbiz have also gotten it but never complained. Yes the laws should probably be updated but until then they are what they are.

 

[Zaz]

Create a coaching academy to turn out spinners like Abdul Qadir. Would have been a fitting tribute. surely there are marketing brains in PCB who can find potential sponsors

Who says they wont honour him in other ways too along the line?

 

[Giannis]

If I'm not mistaken 1000PKR is £5.

Disrespectful is an understatement.

They can buy a big mac in Pakistan and split it 4 ways

 

[Bigboii]

Deep down I think this is what they're actually upset about not the money it was just an add on

What's disrespectful is him getting it after his death

 

[Zaz]

What's disrespectful is him getting it after his death

And than a 1000 RP they shouldn't have given tham any money tbh the honor was enough imo

Maybe he shouldve got it earlier However would it have been better if he wasnt awarded anything at all?

Im sure they wouldve complained also if he wasnt honoured after his death

Its a trivial matter to kick up a fuss about at this time His family should take pride in the honour rather than be complaining on such a occasion

 

[Saj]

Deep down I think this is what they're actually upset about not the money it was just an add on

What's disrespectful is him getting it after his death

Probably yes.

Saying it is what it is, these are the rules etc isn't going to make the Qadirs feel any better.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Don't think he would have cared about the 1000 rupees if he was awarded when alive. The family members not liking the amount is understandable.

 

[topspin]

In Pakistani culture, money is often given as a gift especially in weddings. If you give someone a mere 1,000 rupees, the other person is going to feel disrespected and you are going to look like a cheapskate.

It is better to not give any money than to give some pocket change.

His family has every right to feel to complain about this. They are financially very strong and they do not need some spare change from PCB.

As usual, people who don’t even live in Pakistan are giving their “expert” opinions and showing their ignorance about Pakistani culture.

What I don't understand is why can't the 1000 rupees be revalued in today's terms? - common sense should prevail here.

 

[Mamoon]

What I don't understand is why can't the 1000 rupees be revalued in today's terms? - common sense should prevail here.

It should prevail but it is not common in Pakistan. For us it, it is rare-sense.

 

[azimiqbal]

Typical PCB can’t seem to do anything right , giving someone 1,000 rupees is an insult , better off not giving any money and as Saj said to name stadium after him

 

[wasimjunior]

Probably yes.

Saying it is what it is, these are the rules etc isn't going to make the Qadirs feel any better.

The Qadirs seem a pretty entitled bunch. This is a national honour- poor form to keep complaining.

Wasnt Usman trying to get into the Aus team before too?

 

[Savak]

PKR 1,000 is disgracefully low. It has to be a reasonable amount. Even worse to do it to a cricketer and his family when he is no more, what they must be thinking ie the guy played with his heart, soul for Pakistan and he gets treated like this by our govt?

Look at the way the Indian media, public, showbiz industry and society honors and takes care of their heroes. World of a difference. Bollywood has even created films about unknown Indian sports legends, what have we done?

I once remember seeing a shocking video where an ex hockey player was forced to set up a food stall to make ends meat. The govt out of shame immediately reacted by giving him a govt job.

India has managed to commercialize its entire sports industry whereas we in Pakistan haven't even fully commercialized cricket yet to its full potential

 

[Suleiman]

That amount of prize money for a legend like AQ is an insult. What are they thinking?

Congrats to him for the award though and may he be at peace.

 

[Saj]

Don't think he would have cared about the 1000 rupees if he was awarded when alive. The family members not liking the amount is understandable.

The guy passes away and they suddenly remember to give him the award.

He retired from cricket 27 years ago, surely someone could have remembered to give him the award while he was alive.

 

[iniqbal223]

I tip more than this (7$ to my Uber driver)

1000 Rs. is surely disrespectful..they should have just handed them the award and that should be it.

 

[kingusama92]

It's likely an honorary amount that's been passed down since the first winner and not meant as literal "prize money".

While the winner should be grateful for what they get, sometimes the government should also use a bit of common sense. These people put in a lot of work to represent your country at the highest level and should be honored properly.

If you want to maintain the tradition, just give a higher amount adjusted for inflation with the 1,000 rupees added to the end (i.e. 501,000 rupees).

In Canada, we have a similar award and the amount has been regularly increased to account for inflation.

 

[Zaz]

The issues seem to be the amount and the fact that he got this award only after he passed away.

Why accept the award in the first place only to complain about it afterwards?

They shouldnt have accepted it at all if they had an issue with it

 

[moghul]

Abdul Qadir's family aren't happy with the way this has been handled and especially the award of just 1000 Rupees.

So they were more interested in the money and not the honor ?

 

[moghul]

The guy passes away and they suddenly remember to give him the award.

He retired from cricket 27 years ago, surely someone could have remembered to give him the award while he was alive.

Better late than never.

 

[Savak]

Chalo, someone can enjoy a nice bunkebab with that amount and a cold drink.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

That's a lot of money in this day and age.

 

[Bigboii]

Honestly, I think Qadir's family are being petty..

except for giving him this award after his death I don't find anything wrong in what GOP did...

yes the 1000 rps should be adjusted but money wasnt really the point of the award was it?

it was him getting a civilian honor for his services not many people get that. this should be celebrated by his family

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

I see from wikipedia that the Sitara-e-Imtiaz was instituted in 1957. I am assuming that the accompanying Rs 1000 cash award was also decided back then. Rs 1000 in 1957 would (my guess based on inflation) be closer to Rs 1 lakh today.

The monetary compensation that accompanies some of these government awards was fixed a long time ago, sometimes 50-60 years ago. And successive dispensations haven't bothered to increase it over the years.

Hence that amount feels insulting now to some people. But it's more bureaucratic indifference than anything else.

 

[Saj]

Better late than never.

Ridiculous attitude.

They could have given him the award while he was alive. He was in Lahore. He was coaching, on tv, attending matches, helping players. It wasn't like he was hiding in the mountains and living life like a hermit.

 

[Major]

In Pakistani culture, money is often given as a gift especially in weddings. If you give someone a mere 1,000 rupees, the other person is going to feel disrespected and you are going to look like a cheapskate.

It is better to not give any money than to give some pocket change.

His family has every right to feel to complain about this. They are financially very strong and they do not need some spare change from PCB.

As usual, people who don’t even live in Pakistan are giving their “expert” opinions and showing their ignorance about Pakistani culture.

To be honest, the qadir family isnt smart aswell.

They have always had issues with pcb and made dumb statements.

Usman qadir leaving pakistan due to him not being picked etc.

Abdul qadir had bad ties with pcb as his cricket club wasnt being registered by pcb in the past.

Btw i wonder whats the amount that army walas recieve. Is 1000 same for civilians and army walas

 

[golagunda]

Ridiculous attitude.

They could have given him the award while he was alive. He was in Lahore. He was coaching, on tv, attending matches, helping players. It wasn't like he was hiding in the mountains and living life like a hermit.

While I sympathize with the family, I am a bit confused who exactly are they aggrieved by. As far as I understand civil awards are given by the president. If they feel Abdul Qadir should have gotten the award in the 90's the blame lies with the govts of that time. If they feel he should have been awarded in 2000's blame lies with the Musharraf era govt. How can one blame the current dispensation which has been in power for 3 years and has actually given him the award?

In all fairness the sad fact is that Abdul Qadir passed away before his time and his death was very unexpected. And just to put things into context someone like Fazal Mahmood also got the award after his death in 2012 and someone like Hanif Muhammad never even got it.

 

[Saj]

While I sympathize with the family, I am a bit confused who exactly are they aggrieved by. As far as I understand civil awards are given by the president. If they feel Abdul Qadir should have gotten the award in the 90's the blame lies with the govts of that time. If they feel he should have been awarded in 2000's blame lies with the Musharraf era govt. How can one blame the current dispensation which has been in power for 3 years and has actually given him the award?

In all fairness the sad fact is that Abdul Qadir passed away before his time and his death was very unexpected. And just to put things into context someone like Fazal Mahmood also got the award after his death in 2012 and someone like Hanif Muhammad never even got it.

Only the family can answer exactly which administration they are not happy with.