Sixth consecutive series win for Pakistan in T20Is [Update Post #65]

[BlueDoritos]

6 consecutive series wins... Hmmm...

Fluke, fluke, fluke, fluke, fluke and fluke.

Number 1 rank = Big FlUke.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong and delusional.

 

[Syed1]

6 consecutive series wins... Hmmm...

Fluke, fluke, fluke, fluke, fluke and fluke.

Number 1 rank = Big FlUke.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong and delusional.

But but but we beat WI which did not play their WC winning side, even though the same second string WI side beat India twice in two series

 

[BlueDoritos]

But but but we beat WI which did not play their WC winning side, even though the same second string WI side beat India twice in two series

Fluke!!! Big FlUke!

WI defeat India = fluke!

Pakistan defeat everyone = fluke!

Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong and delusional.

 

[Usman Chadda]

We didn’t face the WI team that won two WT20s, they rarely play in bilaterals. Secondly, the fact that Pakistan and NZ are the top two T20 sides sums up how seriously the rankings are to be taken.

A full-strength NZ is better than us - Munro, Guptill and Corey etc. walk over our T20 batting. However, both teams are behind England, India, Australia and South Africa, who are the four best T20 sides at the moment.

We can add WI too when all their mercenaries are available.

You lost all credibility when you said Australia is a better T20 team than Pakistan and New Zealand. Known fact Australia is one of the worst T20 teams in the history of this format. They have never had a settled team.

 

[Railu Katta]

I've said this before and will say it again. The WI side we beat wasn't the one that won the WC, but it was the same side that beat your team India in 2016 and 2017.

Yeah but the Windies were lucky and hindustan were taking it easy and trying out young shoopershtars. It's a fluke win anyway because Pandya style is the bestest.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Yeah but the Windies were lucky and hindustan were taking it easy and trying out young shoopershtars. It's a fluke win anyway because Pandya style is the bestest.

Its amazing how any self-respecting individual can call a ONE DAY INTERNATIONAL tournament win, a fluke. Pakistan played really well for approx 400 overs of the tournament. Approx 32 hours. How can you fluke 32 hours of playtime?

 

[Railu Katta]

Its amazing how any self-respecting individual can call a ONE DAY INTERNATIONAL tournament win, a fluke. Pakistan played really well for approx 400 overs of the tournament. Approx 32 hours. How can you fluke 32 hours of playtime?

Well I'm the PP fluke-o-meter operator and I think it's possible. Pakistan have been fluking since 1954.

 

[Mamoon]

You lost all credibility when you said Australia is a better T20 team than Pakistan and New Zealand. Known fact Australia is one of the worst T20 teams in the history of this format. They have never had a settled team.

Australia's best T20 XI is easily better than ours.

Warner and Finch alone are worth more than our T20 batting unit, and then you have the likes of Maxwell and Lynn as well who are brutal hitters. Australia have under-performed in this format because they mostly use it to blood new players and do not take it very seriously. If Australia fields their best T20 XI frequently, they would blow Pakistan and NZ out of the water.

 

[Mamoon]

I've said this before and will say it again. The WI side we beat wasn't the one that won the WC, but it was the same side that beat your team India in 2016 and 2017.

Likewise, I will also repeat myself - India lost those games due to individual brilliance of Lewis. That does not mean that WI are a better team than India. In T20s, one or two players can make the difference which is why the gap between the top sides and the mediocre sides is not as big as the gap in ODIs.

Nonetheless, if India and the current WI T20 face-off in let's say 10 T20s, India will obviously win the majority.

However, even in ODIs, individual brilliance can happen (we can also call it fluke). For example, Pakistan's bowling attack that destroyed world class batting units in the Champions Trophy could not defend 310 against WI in an ODI thanks to Jason Mohamed's whirlwind knock.

That does not mean that WI is a better ODI side than Pakistan. WI will win a couple of games if Pakistan have an off-day, but overall, Pakistan will comfortably win more matches.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Australia's best T20 XI is easily better than ours.

Warner and Finch alone are worth more than our T20 batting unit, and then you have the likes of Maxwell and Lynn as well who are brutal hitters. Australia have under-performed in this format because they mostly use it to blood new players and do not take it very seriously. If Australia fields their best T20 XI frequently, they would blow Pakistan and NZ out of the water.

Australia have fielded their best teams in T20 World Cups and their performances in the tournament over the years has been very disappointing. Forget the ifs and buts, Pakistan and New Zealand have been much better than Australia in this format since its inception

 

[Mamoon]

6 consecutive series wins... Hmmm...

Fluke, fluke, fluke, fluke, fluke and fluke.

Number 1 rank = Big FlUke.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong and delusional.

You cannot fluke six series wins, but most of our matches have been against lowly opposition and the England T20 was one game only. If we can beat the likes of England, India, Australia and South Africa regularly, we will validate our number one ranking, which means nothing for now when you have a world class T20 batting lineup of Shehzad, Babar, Haris, Amin, Malik, Sarfraz, Fahim etc.

 

[ManFan]

PAK has a strong chance to win the next T20 WC.

 

[ManFan]

You cannot fluke six series wins, but most of our matches have been against lowly opposition and the England T20 was one game only. If we can beat the likes of England, India, Australia and South Africa regularly, we will validate our number one ranking, which means nothing for now when you have a world class T20 batting lineup of Shehzad, Babar, Haris, Amin, Malik, Sarfraz, Fahim etc.

NZ had a very strong side that just whitewashed WI a few weeks before. WI were beaten at home and in the UAE. The players cannot dictate the schedule so if they faced ENG once, beat them comprehensively, than only from that one match can we draw conclusions on the strengths of the two teams.

 

[Mamoon]

Australia have fielded their best teams in T20 World Cups and their performances in the tournament over the years has been very disappointing. Forget the ifs and buts, Pakistan and New Zealand have been much better than Australia in this format since its inception

Australia have been a bit unlucky with the scheduling. Apart from the first two, all the WT20s have been played in Asia and the Caribbean where spin has played a significant role and nullified their strengths. Most of their ATG players were over the hill in the 2007 edition and they had a poor squad in 2009.

They are heavy favorites to win the next WT20 at home.

 

[Mamoon]

NZ had a very strong side that just whitewashed WI a few weeks before. WI were beaten at home and in the UAE. The players cannot dictate the schedule so if they faced ENG once, beat them comprehensively, than only from that one match can we draw conclusions on the strengths of the two teams.

The short boundaries of NZ benefited our batsmen. The likes of Babar, Sarfraz (second T20) and Haris, Amin (third T20) batted at SR which is above their normal capabilities. Furthermore, Munro didn't play the decider and he is their best T20 batsman. Overall, NZ is a better T20 side but it is not top two material.

 

[Mamoon]

PAK has a strong chance to win the next T20 WC.

Our batting lineup will be exposed on their big grounds, and spin will not play a big role. It will be surprising if we made the semifinals. I think the next WT20 will be the first edition since 2010 that will be dominated by non-Asian sides. Australia and England are the two big favorites in my view, followed by India.

 

[ManFan]

The short boundaries of NZ benefited our batsmen. The likes of Babar, Sarfraz (second T20) and Haris, Amin (third T20) batted at SR which is above their normal capabilities. Furthermore, Munro didn't play the decider and he is their best T20 batsman. Overall, NZ is a better T20 side but it is not top two material.

That may be but NZ also could have taken advantage of the short-boundaries. Munro being injured is unfortunate but they were the #1 ranked side and should have had a strong replacement. You can only face what is in front of you. Furthermore, the batsmen had a chip on their shoulders including Sarfraz and gave an inspired performance.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Australia have been a bit unlucky with the scheduling. Apart from the first two, all the WT20s have been played in Asia and the Caribbean where spin has played a significant role and nullified their strengths. Most of their ATG players were over the hill in the 2007 edition and they had a poor squad in 2009.

They are heavy favorites to win the next WT20 at home.

West Indies have won two T20WCs in Asia while England has won one WC in West Indies. No excuses there.

Australia won't make it past the semi-finals at best. Simple fact: there are much better T20 teams around.

 

[ManFan]

Our batting lineup will be exposed on their big grounds, and spin will not play a big role. It will be surprising if we made the semifinals. I think the next WT20 will be the first edition since 2010 that will be dominated by non-Asian sides. Australia and England are the two big favorites in my view, followed by India.

Spin will play a part as evident by the recent Big Bash where the good spinners took wickets and kept the run-rate down. Spin is the best option in T20's always because batsmen are more prone to make hit-and-
miss shots.

 

[Mamoon]

West Indies have won two T20WCs in Asia while England has won one WC in West Indies. No excuses there.

Australia won't make it past the semi-finals at best. Simple fact: there are much better T20 teams around.

WI have had a brilliant spin attack of Narine and Badree. Australia have lacked quality spinners, but Zampa is a very good talent. England won in 2010 but Australia made the finals as well.

They will do well in non-Asian WT20s. They have a lot of potential but haven't clicked yet for some reason.

 

[Mamoon]

Spin will play a part as evident by the recent Big Bash where the good spinners took wickets and kept the run-rate down. Spin is the best option in T20's always because batsmen are more prone to make hit-and-
miss shots.

Most of the Big Bash players are duds against spin so I won't look too much into it. However, it is true that spin can always make a difference in this format, but fast bowlers will certainly play a bigger role than the previous editions.

 

[Mamoon]

That may be but NZ also could have taken advantage of the short-boundaries. Munro being injured is unfortunate but they were the #1 ranked side and should have had a strong replacement. You can only face what is in front of you. Furthermore, the batsmen had a chip on their shoulders including Sarfraz and gave an inspired performance.

NZ's number one ranking was misleading too. They don't deserve to be in the top two. Big hitters are not necessarily going to hit more sixes on short boundaries, because most of their hits would be sixes on any ground, but short boundaries are certainly beneficial for weak hitters like Babar, Sarfraz, Amin etc.

 

[King-Misbah]

The short boundaries of NZ benefited our batsmen. The likes of Babar, Sarfraz (second T20) and Haris, Amin (third T20) batted at SR which is above their normal capabilities. Furthermore, Munro didn't play the decider and he is their best T20 batsman. Overall, NZ is a better T20 side but it is not top two material.

It was the same ground for both teams. Is this even a valid excuse?

 

[Darkrai]

NZ's number one ranking was misleading too. They don't deserve to be in the top two. Big hitters are not necessarily going to hit more sixes on short boundaries, because most of their hits would be sixes on any ground, but short boundaries are certainly beneficial for weak hitters like Babar, Sarfraz, Amin etc.

I agree our individual players, especially batsmen, are weak compared to what other top teams have. Eng, SA, Aus, Ind, and NZ have better batsman than us but cricket isn't all about batting. What our t20 team has achieved shouldn't be overlooked. True we lack quality batsmen but we still have been able to deliver as a team. In the end cricket is a team sport. It's about results not which team has better individuals.

According to you we and NZ don't deserve to be number one. Then who does? and why aren't they number one? And stop making excuses such as we only beat weak teams or opponents players were injured. We aren't the only team who plays WI, SL etc. In fact WI are the t20 WC champions but you consider them weak when we play them but suddenly they're strong when they beat India. We defeated Eng(WC finalist), NZ(WC semi-finalist) at their home-these teams have defeated so called best batting teams yet you keep making excuses. I don't understand what else you want. Like i said earlier, i agree our batsmen do not compared to other top teams, it's a part of the game we must improve, but so what? Last i check we are the number 1 team, we have won 6 consecutive t20s. Doesn't the mean we as a TEAM are one of the best?

I think a big part of this t20 success is due to Sarfraz's captaincy. Even though we lack quality players compared to other top teams we still deliver because of the leadership of Sarfraz. Quetta Gladiators was also considered one of the weakest psl teams yet even with players like Asad Shafiq, Anwar Ali, and other mediocre t20 players Sarfraz still took the team to 2 finals and has better winning ratio than other teams.

Anyway the point i was trying to make was sure we lack the players but we as a team under Sarfraz's captaincy have won series and the credit must be given to the team.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Australia's best T20 XI is easily better than ours.

Warner and Finch alone are worth more than our T20 batting unit, and then you have the likes of Maxwell and Lynn as well who are brutal hitters. Australia have under-performed in this format because they mostly use it to blood new players and do not take it very seriously. If Australia fields their best T20 XI frequently, they would blow Pakistan and NZ out of the water.

How comes Australia have never won the World T20 comp then? Let me guess, bad luck while other's fluked it?

 

[DRsohail]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] last time u said out t20 team will be exposed in nz england etc but we did will ..what next....

 

[Wonderwoman]

hmm . so two series against a second string WI, a laughable World XI and depleted SL + 1 England game..
Out of the six the only creditable win is against the NZ.

Its just like the time when Pakistan was winning consecutive 10+ games (all against Zim and Bangladesh).

 

[charlie007]

Congratulations! A good run.

 

[Nitya85]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] last time u said out t20 team will be exposed in nz england etc but we did will ..what next....

Pakistan is very good T20 team.

 

[Syed1]

hmm . so two series against a second string WI, a laughable World XI and depleted SL + 1 England game..
Out of the six the only creditable win is against the NZ.

Its just like the time when Pakistan was winning consecutive 10+ games (all against Zim and Bangladesh).

The same second string WI side beat India twice in two series in 2016 and 2017.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Pakistan have posted 170+ scores 6 times in their last 9 T20 matches. So the argument that Pakistan will lose on flatter pitches holds no weight.

 

[Kroll]

This is a very good achievement. Hopefully, Pakistan climbs the ranks in both ODI and Test standings. Don't want to see the team reduced to the same level as the Windies of just being a good T20 team.