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Pakistan wrapped up the 2nd Test in Dubai inside 4 days. Which means all that over-flowing of criticism on Haris Sohail's marathon innings was unjustified.

Test cricket requires patience and sometimes trench warfare tactics of gritty attitude. What matters is the end result. Not many predicted that match will be over after 3.5 days.

Pak Test team is the only team which has not lost a Test Series in year 2018. They need to be appreciated. Criticism all the time is not a good policy at all.
 
Let the cringe-worthy justification commence :babar

I would love it if these wrist-slitters come to this thread to tell us how despite winning the test in four days, Pakistan batting was poor.
 
Guyz

The majority did not criticize our slow rate. The greatest blunder was that we did not try to increase the run rate before declaring and ended up wasting five wickets. We should have scored 500 in the first innings and bat Newzeland out of the game.

We got away with it this time but it wont happen every time.

Sarfraz must go
 
No it was not. On a wicket where at one time azhar was striking at 50 sr and ended up at sr 43 , the pitch wasnt to blame. Pakistan played very slow.
 
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Guyz

The majority did not criticize our slow rate. The greatest blunder was that we did not try to increase the run rate before declaring and ended up wasting five wickets. We should have scored 500 in the first innings and bat Newzeland out of the game.

We got away with it this time but it wont happen every time.

Sarfraz must go
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We got away? We beat the living daylights out of them lol
 
Nope. Everyone batted fine but Sohail was too slow by any standard. It doesn't matter if you win by an innings and 400 runs, if you play 421 deliveries you should score 190 or a 200. On apitch where everyone, even Azhar Ali, managed a 50 SR a batsman like Haris should have been able to play fluently after facing 200 balls. Haris is a much better batsman than what he showed in this particular innings, this should have been his first test double hundred.
 
No, the outcome does not justify our batting approach. Our ultra defensive batting has cost us in the past and will cost us in the future.

We won the match because of a freakish spell. 8 wickets in 14 overs will prove to be decisive more often than not, and that spell would have won us the game even had we put up only 200 runs in the first innings. Not often would he or any bowler produce something like that. It is a very rare occurrence.

You should be scoring over 500 after batting for nearly 170 overs in the first innings. The wicket had turn and bounce, but the New Zealand spinners couldn’t capitalize. Our batsmen should have accelerated better after getting in. Any quality lineup would have scored more after batting for so long.

This is the problem with Pakistani fans. One win and every tactic/decision is justified and every shortcoming/weakness is water under the bridge. If Williamson wins the toss in Abu Dhabi, it will be a different story again.
 
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OP knew Yasir Shah was going to bowl the spell of a lifetime in the 2nd innings.

Slow run rate criticism is therefore unjustified
 
Mamoon said:
No, the outcome does not justify our batting approach. Our ultra defensive batting has cost us in the past and will cost us in the future.

We won the match because of a freakish spell. 8 wickets in 14 overs will prove to be decisive more often than not, and that spell would have won us the game even had we put up only 200 runs in the first innings. Not often would he or any bowler produce something like that. It is a very rare occurrence.

You should be scoring over 500 after batting for nearly 170 overs in the first innings. The wicket had turn and bounce, but the New Zealand spinners couldn’t capitalize. Our batsmen should have accelerated better after getting in. Any quality lineup would have scored more after batting for so long.

This is the problem with Pakistani fans. One win and every tactic/decision is justified and every shortcoming/weakness is water under the bridge. If Williamson wins the toss in Abu Dhabi, it will be a different story again.
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Respect! Tiger Zinda hai. Spot on post
 
Mamoon said:
No, the outcome does not justify our batting approach. Our ultra defensive batting has cost us in the past and will cost us in the future.

We won the match because of a freakish spell. 8 wickets in 14 overs will prove to be decisive more often than not, and that spell would have won us the game even had we put up only 200 runs in the first innings. Not often would he or any bowler produce something like that. It is a very rare occurrence.

You should be scoring over 500 after batting for nearly 170 overs in the first innings. The wicket had turn and bounce, but the New Zealand spinners couldn’t capitalize. Our batsmen should have accelerated better after getting in. Any quality lineup would have scored more after batting for so long.

This is the problem with Pakistani fans. One win and every tactic/decision is justified and every shortcoming/weakness is water under the bridge. If Williamson wins the toss in Abu Dhabi, it will be a different story again.
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POTW - Exact points myself and a few others were trying to make during the game. Scoring at 2 runs per over when normally average in conditions is around 3 was snail like and no need for it regardless of the result.
 
Deal with absolutes.

Pitch was difficult to bat on as showed by the havoc Yasir Shah caused.

If it wasn't for this gritty innings we wouldn't have been in a fighting position.
 
Sarwar89 said:
Pakistan wrapped up the 2nd Test in Dubai inside 4 days. Which means all that over-flowing of criticism on Haris Sohail's marathon innings was unjustified.

Test cricket requires patience and sometimes trench warfare tactics of gritty attitude. What matters is the end result. Not many predicted that match will be over after 3.5 days.

Pak Test team is the only team which has not lost a Test Series in year 2018. They need to be appreciated. Criticism all the time is not a good policy at all.
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The fact every other time pakistan has batted over 90, 120, 140 overs when batting 1st in UAE (1st inns of game) the scoring rate has been over 3.

In some case the scoring has been slow on day 1 and then day 2 they have up the scoring.

but to bat near enough 170 overs and just scrap 400 is pathetic when every other time pakistan has batted 5 session they have got 500+

All this nonsense about long tail etc.. and lack of confidence etc..

the guy was well set on 100 and still dead batting everything, why not even try and get singles?

Its not 1st time this has been done, same happened in 1st test vs Aussies when we reached 200/2 after 70 overs and then started playing at 1.5 runs per over on an easy paced wicket!

A win here does not change fact batting was to slow and poor.
 
The wickets in UAE are just not suited for good cricket! It promotes this kind of batting.
 
Pakhs said:
The wickets in UAE are just not suited for good cricket! It promotes this kind of batting.
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Which others games where a team has batted 1st and batted more than 100+ overs have we seen this kind of batting?
 
Mamoon said:
No, the outcome does not justify our batting approach. Our ultra defensive batting has cost us in the past and will cost us in the future.

We won the match because of a freakish spell. 8 wickets in 14 overs will prove to be decisive more often than not, and that spell would have won us the game even had we put up only 200 runs in the first innings. Not often would he or any bowler produce something like that. It is a very rare occurrence.

You should be scoring over 500 after batting for nearly 170 overs in the first innings. The wicket had turn and bounce, but the New Zealand spinners couldn’t capitalize. Our batsmen should have accelerated better after getting in. Any quality lineup would have scored more after batting for so long.

This is the problem with Pakistani fans. One win and every tactic/decision is justified and every shortcoming/weakness is water under the bridge. If Williamson wins the toss in Abu Dhabi, it will be a different story again.
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Just a question why does KW needs to win the toss to win they are supposed to be better side than Pakistan
 
Love it - people here are so far stuck up their own butt that they won’t take their words back even when the team they are criticising, won the Test within four days.

Ironically, this shameless bunch will be the first to say “our fans have no shame”.
 
Unjustified? Why? Just because the Pak bowlers bowled really well? Did the Pak batsmen know it beforehand that the Pak bowlers would rip through the NZ batsmen? What if they weren't able to do so?
 
Usman Chadda said:
Love it - people here are so far stuck up their own butt that they won’t take their words back even when the team they are criticising, won the Test within four days.

Ironically, this shameless bunch will be the first to say “our fans have no shame”.
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Fully agreed.
 
Threads like this suggest that we as a cricket team deserve Misbah, Azhar Ali, Ahmad Shahzad, Imam Ul Haq, Sami Aslam. All of these slow batsmen that have been criticised for their timid and slow approach at the crease. You people do not seem to want that your team should play that brand of cricket that is on par with the top teams around the world.

If valid criticism is not going to be considered and instead labeled as unjust, then we might as well accept that Pakistan is a Test team that offers nothing to the brand of Test cricket besides a few decent bowlers here and there
 
The topic of this thread reminds me a classical blunder in any business call (strategy/tactics) - end justifies the means. Since, PAK has won this Test, so everything was right ...... this is after very previous Test being bolted by 4 runs chasing 175 in 4th innings or 153 in 2nd; where Azhar Ali was trying to chase 16 runs at run an over with No 11 at other end!!!!! I use a term for some PAK fans & their typical expectations - Larke Lenge estyle ....... this Dubai win is another classic example, where one individual changed the plot creating some history.

Since Yasir had a dream game (2nd best in history of PAK cricket, happens to be twice in 66 years), so every other logic should be buried, those who had different thoughts should be crucified and the ultimate tag line should be restored - "PAK may talent bohut hai ....".

My personal stand on this is - THIS WAS A horribly planned, thoughtless & vulgarly executed Test; which was won by one outstanding individual, against a team some how still hanging at 1-1, instead off losing 2 Test, both by innings now.

First of all, Dubai is a pathetically slow wicket hence no one will & should question PAK's 1st day of 207-4. I have written many, many times that UAE's standard 1st innings score is 201-2 to 222-2; because that's an ugly place to play Test cricket (any cricket). BUT, 2nd day, after Lunch, at 310-4 or so with Haris on 100+, PAK batted at 2.6 RR for entire 2nd session with out losing wicket, Babar & Haris after batting for 4+ hours slowed down in their scoring rate, that too against harder 2nd ball. And, finally Captain cool declared an hour after tea, scoring 35-38 in 10-12 overs.

IF, declaration was on cards, then at least from Tea (353-4), target should have been to reach 450 in 18-19 overs and give Kiwis 10 overs to survive - I doubt even if Babar knew that, the six was going to be his last shot!!!!

Then, if enforcing follow on was in mind, first thing you do is to take out risk of batting for too long in 4th innings. Since, Yasir got kiwis bundled for 90, so every thing again makes sense, but PAK declared with 418 on board and 5 down, with follow-on was in mind as an option!!!! I know, few teams don't like to enforce follow on, rather they bat 2nd time and defend a target on 4th innings, AUS is one and they did declare 2009-10 MCG Test at like 455-5 or so. But Clarke (& every Aussie commi) were damn sure that AUS won't force PAK to follow on, rather they would set a target for 110 overs in 4th innings. Here PK declared for a substandard total & then enforced the follow on!!!

Kiwis were facing a 328 deficit 2nd time and then batted at 2.8 rate on Day 3-4 wicket, compared to PAK's 2.5, batting first & on Day 1-2 wicket ..... still, PAK won inside 4 days by innings and that too losing in total 5 (4 to the bowlers) wickets, so everything was perfect and we should go to Florida for some sunshine and sing gaga.
 
Dark_Horse said:
Just a question why does KW needs to win the toss to win they are supposed to be better side than Pakistan
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It is very hard for non-Asian teams to win Tests in Asia batting second. Even an average Asian spinner turns into a lion on day 4/5 wicket.

For example, the Sri Lanka vs England series could have easily gone the former’s way if it wasn’t for Root’s luck, even though England are clearly the better side.
 
Add some context for goodness sake! First of, there is no Misbah or Younus to guide the lineup. Not expecting leadership from Asad or Azhar or Hafeez unfortunately. This was uncharted territory for the lads. Haris scored only his second hundred, babar his first. The fact that we managed to declare five down is a good omen. Babar and Haris will grow with more experience. They will make mistakes too, but that's okay. Fact is there is no better teacher than test cricket.

Today they won a game for us. Learning from a defeat in the last. Tomorrow this approach may cost us a game. The lads will then fine tune their game further. And maybe in three years time, you get the new equivalents of Misbah and Younus. So be patient, and encourage their efforts as opposed to calling them worthless.
 
Mamoon said:
It is very hard for non-Asian teams to win Tests in Asia batting second. Even an average Asian spinner turns into a lion on day 4/5 wicket.

For example, the Sri Lanka vs England series could have easily gone the former’s way if it wasn’t for Root’s luck, even though England are clearly the better side.
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SO you mean to say non-Asian team are not a better side if they lose the toss?
 
Pakhs said:
Most games in UAE, Its either you bat this way or get dismissed a lot earlier.
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The average scoring rate is 3 to 3.2 here they went at a snail pace if 2.4.. so no its not most games in UAE. Pretty clueless response to be honest.
 
Mute Witness said:
Add some context for goodness sake! First of, there is no Misbah or Younus to guide the lineup. Not expecting leadership from Asad or Azhar or Hafeez unfortunately. This was uncharted territory for the lads. Haris scored only his second hundred, babar his first. The fact that we managed to declare five down is a good omen. Babar and Haris will grow with more experience. They will make mistakes too, but that's okay. Fact is there is no better teacher than test cricket.

Today they won a game for us. Learning from a defeat in the last. Tomorrow this approach may cost us a game. The lads will then fine tune their game further. And maybe in three years time, you get the new equivalents of Misbah and Younus. So be patient, and encourage their efforts as opposed to calling them worthless.
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Great point, I agree. My only discomfort is, "3 years" part.

I use a footnote regarding PAK players official age (not PAK's monopoly, but there is a difference between shop lifting & day light robbery), the team that won last Test to make it 1-1, played 8 players out of 11 are (age rounded in bracket)

MoHa 38, Azhar (34), Haris (30), Asad (33), Sarfraz (32), Abbas (28), Yasir (32), Bilal (33) ...

Even without that footnote, 3 years is a bit discomforting destination.
 
MMHS said:
Great point, I agree. My only discomfort is, "3 years" part.

I use a footnote regarding PAK players official age (not PAK's monopoly, but there is a difference between shop lifting & day light robbery), the team that won last Test to make it 1-1, played 8 players out of 11 are (age rounded in bracket)

MoHa 38, Azhar (34), Haris (30), Asad (33), Sarfraz (32), Abbas (28), Yasir (32), Bilal (33) ...

Even without that footnote, 3 years is a bit discomforting destination.
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Well the 3 years timeline was essentially used for allowing Haris and Babar to develop into significantly more prolific versions of themselves, and to finally fill the enormous boots left vacant by Misbah and Younis. A mantle that for all intents and purposes should have been filled by Asad and Azhar. That unfortunately hasn't happened. Babar and Haris though, brilliant test prospects.

Misbah and Younis played till 39 and 42 officially(however inaccurate that may be). If these two can play till they are officially 35-36, we will hopefully get to see some high quality Test batting, home and possibly overseas. How all of this will pan out for Pakistan cricket over the next couple of years? Who knows. But we've seen enough in this test match to feel excited about their prospects.
 
MMHS said:
The topic of this thread reminds me a classical blunder in any business call (strategy/tactics) - end justifies the means. Since, PAK has won this Test, so everything was right ...... this is after very previous Test being bolted by 4 runs chasing 175 in 4th innings or 153 in 2nd; where Azhar Ali was trying to chase 16 runs at run an over with No 11 at other end!!!!! I use a term for some PAK fans & their typical expectations - Larke Lenge estyle ....... this Dubai win is another classic example, where one individual changed the plot creating some history.

Since Yasir had a dream game (2nd best in history of PAK cricket, happens to be twice in 66 years), so every other logic should be buried, those who had different thoughts should be crucified and the ultimate tag line should be restored - "PAK may talent bohut hai ....".

My personal stand on this is - THIS WAS A horribly planned, thoughtless & vulgarly executed Test; which was won by one outstanding individual, against a team some how still hanging at 1-1, instead off losing 2 Test, both by innings now.

First of all, Dubai is a pathetically slow wicket hence no one will & should question PAK's 1st day of 207-4. I have written many, many times that UAE's standard 1st innings score is 201-2 to 222-2; because that's an ugly place to play Test cricket (any cricket). BUT, 2nd day, after Lunch, at 310-4 or so with Haris on 100+, PAK batted at 2.6 RR for entire 2nd session with out losing wicket, Babar & Haris after batting for 4+ hours slowed down in their scoring rate, that too against harder 2nd ball. And, finally Captain cool declared an hour after tea, scoring 35-38 in 10-12 overs.

IF, declaration was on cards, then at least from Tea (353-4), target should have been to reach 450 in 18-19 overs and give Kiwis 10 overs to survive - I doubt even if Babar knew that, the six was going to be his last shot!!!!

Then, if enforcing follow on was in mind, first thing you do is to take out risk of batting for too long in 4th innings. Since, Yasir got kiwis bundled for 90, so every thing again makes sense, but PAK declared with 418 on board and 5 down, with follow-on was in mind as an option!!!! I know, few teams don't like to enforce follow on, rather they bat 2nd time and defend a target on 4th innings, AUS is one and they did declare 2009-10 MCG Test at like 455-5 or so. But Clarke (& every Aussie commi) were damn sure that AUS won't force PAK to follow on, rather they would set a target for 110 overs in 4th innings. Here PK declared for a substandard total & then enforced the follow on!!!

Kiwis were facing a 328 deficit 2nd time and then batted at 2.8 rate on Day 3-4 wicket, compared to PAK's 2.5, batting first & on Day 1-2 wicket ..... still, PAK won inside 4 days by innings and that too losing in total 5 (4 to the bowlers) wickets, so everything was perfect and we should go to Florida for some sunshine and sing gaga.
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You can write an entire magna carta or book on this Test.

But fact of the matter is Pakistan won this Test in 3.5 days. And Harris Sohail played a splendid trench war fare innings on difficult pitch.

I
Know it is hard to swallow that despite all that criticism ( unwarranted) Pakistan won, they batted slowly but Pakistan won and they enforced follow on and Pakistan won.

End of story.
 
Asif321 said:
Some of experts here have no idea what they are talking
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These experts are in state of shock because they felt this Test was a draw after 2 days. And were waiting to unleash extreme criticism on Harris Sohail at the end of Day 5.

But match ended in 3.5 days and now they are giving empty bhashan to justify their shallowness in Test cricket.
 
Not all of them. Only a few idiots who went overboard. Apart from Haris, everyone batted at a good rate considering the pitch. It was just one of those innings where he had to get stuck in to ensure Pakistan puts a big total in the 1st innings, instead of trying to hit out and improve the strike rate which would've led to throwing his wicket away.

In the end, it was the right decision to keep churning out the runs.
 
All of us cannot understand really whats going on at the back of a players mind. First of all, Haris Sohail is back after a long time in PAK team. Maybe he is trying to protect and solidify his position or maybe he was instructed by the coach to just act as a wall , who knows? This is the same player who was being criticised for ODIs vs NZ and see how he performed in the last match. At least he did not slash at deliveries and get out like our "great openers". Give credit where its due guys..
 
MMHS said:
Great point, I agree. My only discomfort is, "3 years" part.

I use a footnote regarding PAK players official age (not PAK's monopoly, but there is a difference between shop lifting & day light robbery), the team that won last Test to make it 1-1, played 8 players out of 11 are (age rounded in bracket)

MoHa 38, Azhar (34), Haris (30), Asad (33), Sarfraz (32), Abbas (28), Yasir (32), Bilal (33) ...

Even without that footnote, 3 years is a bit discomforting destination.
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Biggest myth on this forum is that the test team is young LOL.
 
The problem was we weren't even rotating strike. We were just dead batting which will cost us in South Africa. We should have got 500 from the amount of time we batted. Yes we won the game but if we want to improve in tests we need to improve our scoring rate especially outside of UAE.
 
Sarwar89 said:
Pakistan wrapped up the 2nd Test in Dubai inside 4 days. Which means all that over-flowing of criticism on Haris Sohail's marathon innings was unjustified.

Test cricket requires patience and sometimes trench warfare tactics of gritty attitude. What matters is the end result. Not many predicted that match will be over after 3.5 days.

Pak Test team is the only team which has not lost a Test Series in year 2018. They need to be appreciated. Criticism all the time is not a good policy at all.
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No it was justified, but we loose sight of the real issue if we focus only on Sohail's innings. The overarching issue was that we didn't build on the groundwork laid by Sohail, we didn't up the batting rate in anticipation of a declaration, even though we had many wickets in hand, and set batsmen at the crease. I still don't understand Sarfraz's decision. I would like to believe that it was because he was worried about the rain, and that he felt perhaps that the best day for bowling would be day 3, we saw how it got even slower and more difficult to take wickets on day 4. We may say that he proved right in the end, but I didn't see much a plan at work. Ultimately, it was simply the genius of Yasir that won us this match. A more likely outcome would have been NZ 150-200 in their first innings, after which any outcome could have been possible.
 
Sarwar89 said:
You can write an entire magna carta or book on this Test.

But fact of the matter is Pakistan won this Test in 3.5 days. And Harris Sohail played a splendid trench war fare innings on difficult pitch.

I
Know it is hard to swallow that despite all that criticism ( unwarranted) Pakistan won, they batted slowly but Pakistan won and they enforced follow on and Pakistan won.

End of story.
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Since when did the refusal to think become a good thing.

The story never ends.

We won, but we could have lost, like we lost in the previous Test, and we if we keep playing without plans in this fashion we will loose in the future.
 
New Yorker said:
Since when did the refusal to think become a good thing.

The story never ends.

We won, but we could have lost, like we lost in the previous Test, and we if we keep playing without plans in this fashion we will loose in the future.
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This. You understand this and so do the realist fans of this team.
 
New Yorker said:
Since when did the refusal to think become a good thing.

The story never ends.

We won, but we could have lost, like we lost in the previous Test, and we if we keep playing without plans in this fashion we will loose in the future.
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Would have, could have, should have does not matter.
Reality is Pakistan won.

Future we do not know. Each match has its own dynamics.
 
This thread is unjustified.

Pakistan's approach to first innings was timid, lackluster, spineless and frankly pathetic. This test is not won due to gritty batting display its singlehandedly won by freak spell from Yasir who deserves all the credit from this win.

Now this is constructive criticism and should be acknowledged rather than dismissed as being uncalled for. This approach would not win us many games please note that. This is the exact timid approach we have had under Misbah since spot fixing scandal and now this spineless batting approach has been integrated into every batsman that walks in the team. Btw, I'm a big fan of Misbah and for the respect he bought to Pakistan cricket but this approach has to be subjected to him and no one else. I wish Mickey show some guts and reject this sort of batting display going forward.
 
New Yorker said:
Since when did the refusal to think become a good thing.

The story never ends.

We won, but we could have lost, like we lost in the previous Test, and we if we keep playing without plans in this fashion we will loose in the future.
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New Yorker said:
No it was justified, but we loose sight of the real issue if we focus only on Sohail's innings. The overarching issue was that we didn't build on the groundwork laid by Sohail, we didn't up the batting rate in anticipation of a declaration, even though we had many wickets in hand, and set batsmen at the crease. I still don't understand Sarfraz's decision. I would like to believe that it was because he was worried about the rain, and that he felt perhaps that the best day for bowling would be day 3, we saw how it got even slower and more difficult to take wickets on day 4. We may say that he proved right in the end, but I didn't see much a plan at work. Ultimately, it was simply the genius of Yasir that won us this match. A more likely outcome would have been NZ 150-200 in their first innings, after which any outcome could have been possible.
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You can keep talking about would have and could have.
Sarfaraz was correct in every decision of the match🌟.
In History books this test has been marked as Win for Pakistan.
There are no history books of could have would and shoulds and ifs.
 
Sarwar89 said:
Would have, could have, should have does not matter.
Reality is Pakistan won.

Future we do not know. Each match has its own dynamics.
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Mate then don’t actually ever watch a cricket match. Just wait for the result on teletext or your mobile app notifications! Everyone has a right to criticise things the way they see them.
 
Extra_Cover said:
This thread is unjustified.

Pakistan's approach to first innings was timid, lackluster, spineless and frankly pathetic. This test is not won due to gritty batting display its singlehandedly won by freak spell from Yasir who deserves all the credit from this win.

Now this is constructive criticism and should be acknowledged rather than dismissed as being uncalled for. This approach would not win us many games please note that. This is the exact timid approach we have had under Misbah since spot fixing scandal and now this spineless batting approach has been integrated into every batsman that walks in the team. Btw, I'm a big fan of Misbah and for the respect he bought to Pakistan cricket but this approach has to be subjected to him and no one else. I wish Mickey show some guts and reject this sort of batting display going forward.
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Look man, everyone has a right to their opinion. I myself was a bit frustrated with Haris dead batting everything, but I still said we should wait for NZ to bat on this wicket to properly judge the pitch. What transpired was NZ strokemakers chugging along at a run-rate below 2.5 for most of their innings and getting destroyed by Yasir. The pitch wasn't as easy to bat on as it looks on TV.

The issue some of us have is the constant whining we have had to endure. Like literally, every match-day thread was filled with wrist-slitters, and you wouldn't know Pakistan was dominating NZ from the comments some of these 'fans' were churning out. Everyone from Sarfraz to Mickey's dog gets smashed, NOT just criticized, if things don't turn out as these posters want them to.

On top of that we have to endure long posts about how Pakistan cricket is dead from a few people on this forum, even when we have beaten a decent NZ test side by an innings :facepalm:
 
Just because Azhar Ali was batting at a higher strike rate than usual(still under 50)and finding it relatively easier, doesn't mean Haris was finding the pitch the same. Different batters have different strengths and weaknesses. We don't have the luxury of guys smacking it at 60 or 70 all the the time in Tests. It's the best we have give or take 1 or 2 players. What else did everyone want? Haris to give his wicket away after 20?
Who knows if he had done that, we might have gotten bowled out for 250.

The thing is that we don't have the luxury of having batters like Kohli, Smith and Root who can play at any strike rate they decide to. The fact that the knock came in a huge win for us, should not be criticized excessively.
 
Sarwar89 said:
You can keep talking about would have and could have.
Sarfaraz was correct in every decision of the match��.
In History books this test has been marked as Win for Pakistan.
There are no history books of could have would and shoulds and ifs.
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Sure there are. If we loose the final Test, or the next Test series, because of timid batting, the history books will record that our success in the second Test ultimately undermined us. That we were lucky to win it because of Shah but that it covered up glaring flaws in the approach of the captain and management. this kind of story has been written already many times over for Pakistan, and will be written again.
 
Not bad today - Pakistan scoring close to 3.5 so far :)
 
Playing brilliantly against average spinners right now. :14:

They have made these average spinners look like muralis and warne due to the negative mindset.
 
last 10 overs 16 runs

"thats just the way it is"- Changes
 
Its not the pitch but its the fans and their favourites, the way they play determines the conditions.
 
Block, block, throw wicket away.

Pathetic approach, but we got away with it last test so it was seen as justified in last game.

never learning from negative mindset.
 
Amjid Javed said:
They realized that they were playing to quickly and decide to dead bat everything again.
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This isnt even a sarcastic remark, it is exactly what happened. Its as if these "Test" players are allergic to playing cricket above the run rate of 3.5.
 
Rana said:
This isnt even a sarcastic remark, it is exactly what happened. Its as if these "Test" players are allergic to playing cricket above the run rate of 3.5.
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Run rate above 2.5 in test cricket must be seen as haram or something by our batsmen, no other logical explantion. Either that or they are all auditioning for nightwatchmen role in the team.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Run rate above 2.5 in test cricket must be seen as haram or something by our batsmen, no other logical explantion. Either that or they are all auditioning for nightwatchmen role in the team.
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And still there would be people on this forum saying that these guys are playing the conditions and its a game of attrition in the UAE.
 
Rana said:
And still there would be people on this forum saying that these guys are playing the conditions and its a game of attrition in the UAE.
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Those mentioning attrition and conditions havent watched much cricket in UAE, As batting in this series has been pathetically slow and not even close to usual batting. dead batting half volleys and half tracks isnt cricket.
 
Dead wicket, tuk tuk batting , 7 batsmen in the team, late declaration , no debut given any young batter , what a defensive and depressive mindset from captain to selectors .
 
moghul said:
Dead wicket, tuk tuk batting , 7 batsmen in the team, late declaration , no debut given any young batter , what a defensive and depressive mindset from captain to selectors .
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Why do you want to give debuts just for the sake of it? Two pacers and spinners is what are required on this pitch. There isnt any young spinner that should had been given a debut.

Naseem shah is making a comeback...
Iftikhar is playing to give a third spinner advantage.


Abdullah shafique had been given a chance here. Why do you expect debuts to be given?
 
Major said:
Why do you want to give debuts just for the sake of it? Two pacers and spinners is what are required on this pitch. There isnt any young spinner that should had been given a debut.

Naseem shah is making a comeback...
Iftikhar is playing to give a third spinner advantage.


Abdullah shafique had been given a chance here. Why do you expect debuts to be given?
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Since when Iftikhar has become a test all rounder , if you need a part time spinner Kamran Ghulam is a better spinner and has been top performing batter and 15 years younger to Iftikhar . Even Saud Shakeel is a handy part time spinner. Although it does not make any sense to play 7 batsman on a flat wicket.
 
Pathetic run rate and approach. If the rain stays away and Australia play at a normal rate on this road, they’ll have 600+ by the end of day 4. Then Pakistan will go from only losing 4 wickets in the first innings to desperately trying to save the test on a day 5 pitch.
 
Pakistan were spot in first four sessions, however their approach in the last hour was pathetic. I think they scored only 40 odd runs in last 10 overs leading to a declaration which is a disgrace.
 
Major said:
Why do you want to give debuts just for the sake of it? Two pacers and spinners is what are required on this pitch. There isnt any young spinner that should had been given a debut.

Naseem shah is making a comeback...
Iftikhar is playing to give a third spinner advantage.


Abdullah shafique had been given a chance here. Why do you expect debuts to be given?
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Iftikhar shouldn't have played he doesn't offer anything with the ball.
I would have gone with another pacer.
 
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