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SMH reports says Australia won't be touring, for now; PCB say matter still open [Update Post #115]

pmahones said:
Idiotic post.

Job hazard as a cricketer should be getting hit with bouncers not getting hit with bullets.
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I was specifically speaking about the poster mentioning how touring Pakistan is an extremely boring experience for foreign cricketers.
 
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Savak said:
Classic Big 3 mentality. No wonder Bangladesh will never get to play a series in Australia.
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Not at all. What I said is the practical reality. No cricket board has any love for any other cricket board. All they have done and will keep continuing to do is what's good for them. That's the brutal truth.
 
Hawkeye said:
Actually, they weren't confined.

Roamed and visited several markets.
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the Great Khan said:
they werent confined. Many went out and about openly. same with england in 2005. Ive seen tons of foreigners in pakistan when i went recently. Loads of tourists too. The country is open for business and we just need a bit of support.
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Thanks for rectifying me. I wasn't aware of that.
 
Savak said:
We have been hearing these few years from countries like Australia since 1998. It's time for the PCB to act tough and raise its voice at the hypocricy of the western boards and their refusal to send their teams to Pakistan. Pakistan has hosted sufficient number of international games in Pakistan since 2009 to prove that Cricket can be played in Pakistan.
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Stop whining, it isn't happening.

Pakistanis have bigger things to worry about then a cricket game in their country.

When Pakistan is no longer a safe haven for terrorism then people from all western countries will come visit for the great food and scenery, not just cricketers.
 
Imran Khan should have appointed [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] as PCB chairman and all the issues would have been sorted out. All the major ICC tournaments would have been held in PAK let alone playing bilateral series with ICC member countries including INDIA, AUSTRALIA, ENGLAND.
 
pmahones said:
Yes, you are absolutely right. Players were subject full fledged targeted assault with automatic firearms in every country in the sub continent.

Its not like the two sides called a truce for cricket world cup in SL.
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Borrussia dortmund's team bus was attacked by a terrorist with a bomb. Few players were injured. If he had succeeded the whole team would have died. France vs Holland in a stadium was hit by a terror attack. Many were injured. Israeli athletes were killed by terrorists in Munich in the 70's in a long siege during the Olympics. Were sporting events banned in any of these nations? The IRA destroyed Mancehster town centre, was the premier league postponed?? Warrington was one of the worst atrocities in the UK, did they stop Rugby League?

We have paid a heavy price but we know that those who want us to continue paying the price have a cruel agenda where they want to see a boot on our necks for the rest of our lives.
 
the Great Khan said:
Borrussia dortmund's team bus was attacked by a terrorist with a bomb. Few players were injured. If he had succeeded the whole team would have died. France vs Holland in a stadium was hit by a terror attack. Many were injured. Israeli athletes were killed by terrorists in Munich in the 70's in a long siege during the Olympics. Were sporting events banned in any of these nations? The IRA destroyed Mancehster town centre, was the premier league postponed?? Warrington was one of the worst atrocities in the UK, did they stop Rugby League?

We have paid a heavy price but we know that those who want us to continue paying the price have a cruel agenda where they want to see a boot on our necks for the rest of our lives.
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Media perception plays a huge part. That's something none of us can deny.
 
Hitman said:
Media perception plays a huge part. That's something none of us can deny.
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And we know who controls the media message about Pakistan and who has been successful in getting the anti Muslim and anti Pakistan message out there. This is the reality that we have failed to counter. Buffoons like Ijaz butt and naseem ashraf didnt help.
 
the Great Khan said:
And we know who controls the media message about Pakistan and who has been successful in getting the anti Muslim and anti Pakistan message out there. This is the reality that we have failed to counter. Buffoons like Ijaz butt and naseem ashraf didnt help.
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Look man, I can't disagree with most of your points. Yes, the perception is worse than reality. But cricket players were attacked openly on the streets and people died. It's very difficult to come out of that. Even though WI and Zim visited recently, they played all their matches in a single stadium with bulletproof security. Get BD or SA play a series in two or three cities and then other nations will follow.
 
rhony said:
Look man, I can't disagree with most of your points. Yes, the perception is worse than reality. But cricket players were attacked openly on the streets and people died. It's very difficult to come out of that. Even though WI and Zim visited recently, they played all their matches in a single stadium with bulletproof security. Get BD or SA play a series in two or three cities and then other nations will follow.
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Like I said before Borussia Dortmund players were attacked in the street too..whats the difference?but did we get the hype if it were Pakistan? no. Why? We have been boycotted (yes it is now an unofficial boycott led by the Big three) for over ten years. When is enough enough? Where is the talk about standing upto terror and staying strong? Where are the positive Human stories about Pakistan fighting for freedom?

Here is a story about the attack on the BD team bus:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42858076

Note the police initial thought it was a muslim terror group but then once they knew it wasnt its all cool right?

Heres the attack in France during the football. Note words like camaraderie and standing up for each other etc: https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...g-camaraderie-germany-terrorist-attacks-paris

where are these words for Pakistan? because brown Muslim lives mean nothing?
 
the Great Khan said:
Like I said before Borussia Dortmund players were attacked in the street too..whats the difference?but did we get the hype if it were Pakistan? no. Why? We have been boycotted (yes it is now an unofficial boycott led by the Big three) for over ten years. When is enough enough? Where is the talk about standing upto terror and staying strong? Where are the positive Human stories about Pakistan fighting for freedom?

Here is a story about the attack on the BD team bus:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42858076

Note the police initial thought it was a muslim terror group but then once they knew it wasnt its all cool right?

Heres the attack in France during the football. Note words like camaraderie and standing up for each other etc: https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...g-camaraderie-germany-terrorist-attacks-paris

where are these words for Pakistan? because brown Muslim lives mean nothing?
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Valid points again. In those cases, there was a solidarity shown by fellow European nations. Forget India, even BD is not touring Pakistan. That's why I said PCB should focus on a full BD tour and then SA tour. These two seem achievable in the near term.
 
PCB shouldn’t be convincing anyone to tour Pakistan. If they want to tour Pakistan that’s fine. If they don’t want to tour Pakistan then we cannot convince or force them tour Pakistan.
I have said it before and I’ll reiterate my position on this issue, PCB needs to adapt and evolve in this constantly changing cricketing and financial landscape. They need to develop alternative revenue sources. They should to create a healthy domestic setup that would attract large crowds in domestic cricket. This could be in the form shifting PSL completely to Pakistan. They should also create a league for list A and first class cricket. PCB should look to make money by strengthening its own brand rather than depending on other countries to tour Pakistan or resume bilateral ties.
The key advantage for PCB is that unlike hockey, football or any other sport, cricket has a relatively massive following in Pakistan. Provide ppl with quality content and PCB will earn enough money to survive and make substantial profits.
 
PCB needs to take a chill pill... just have some foreign players play at psl games in PAK for now, and wait till 2020 as the year to start inviting teams. Before that. its pre-mature to invite any big team...
 
https://arysports.tv/pcb-contact-ca-again-bilateral-series-pakistan/

Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has decided to contact Cricket Australia again for the two-match ODI series next year in Pakistan before the World Cup 2019.

PCB is trying to persuade the Australians to reconsider a return to the country for the first time in two decades but nothing has been finalized yet.

According to sources, the series will be played in the middle of January if CA accepts the request to visit Pakistan.

PCB wants Cricket Australia to make the decision of touring Pakistan by watching PSL matches, for which PCB will also invite CA to watch PSL in Pakistan.

Chairman PCB Ehsan Mani earlier said that he wants to persuade top teams to play in Pakistan as it’s a matter of changing perceptions about the situation in Pakistan.

“Once anyone comes to Pakistan and views the situation by himself, it will not be hard to convince him that international cricket can return to Pakistan properly. But simultaneously it is not easy to change the perception of people who have not been to Pakistan in recent times,” he said.

The Kangaroos hasn’t toured Pakistan since 1998, though Test captain Tim Paine did come here as part of a ‘World XI’ three-match T20 tour last year.
 
Well it doesn't hurt to ask as Pakistan has nothing to lose.But there is absolutely no chance of them agreeing,that's for sure.not even a 0.1%.But kudos to PCB for trying.
 
Green Patriot said:
Well it doesn't hurt to ask as Pakistan has nothing to lose.But there is absolutely no chance of them agreeing,that's for sure.not even a 0.1%.But kudos to PCB for trying.
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Am afraid you are right.
 
If it is of any help, Paine's World XI tour has raised the chances from 0.00% to 0.01%.
 
One beggar replace by another. Why keep begging if someone is not interested? Its like begging a date from a young girl who is not interested in me at all. By begging like that it will annoy and create more adverse situation for PCB. Look what happened with Bangladesh board. Have some self pride and work on our players performances and domestic structure.Learn from South Africa how they came back strongly after long exile.
 
Cricket Australia opens door to Pakistan return

Cricket Australia has opened the door slightly to returning to play in Pakistan for the first time in 20 years, having softened its stance after an approach from the Pakistan Cricket Board.

New PCB managing director Wasim Khan has made it clear in several interviews that he is keen for international cricket to return to Pakistan as soon as possible.

Australia last toured Pakistan for three Tests and three one-day internationals under captain Mark Taylor in 1998. There has been little international cricket in the country since 2009 due to security fears.

However, with Australia due to play five one-day internationals against Pakistan in its surrogate home of the United Arab Emirates in March ahead of the World Cup, the PCB has again reached out.

Where CA has typically – and immediately – ruled out any approach to return to Pakistan, the governing body on Saturday was not as conclusive in an updated position.

"We are in ongoing discussions with the PCB about the one-day tour in March next year. We recognise the PCB and the Pakistan government are taking every step to improve the security for touring cricket teams and we’ll continue discussions with the PCB, with the safety and security of Australian players and support staff being our number one priority," a CA spokesman said.

Pakistan's plan would be to host the opening two matches against Aaron Finch's side, with the remaining three in the UAE.

Pakistan cricket has suffered as a result of having to stage home matches in the UAE, with attendances, as reinforced during the two-Test series against Australia in October, almost non-existent. However, there has been a softening from other countries.

Sri Lanka returned for a one-off Twenty20 in 2017, eight years after gunmen attacked a bus carrying its cricketers, injuring six players and killing six security personnel. The West Indies played a three-match T20 series in Karachi in April this year, while Australian Test captain Tim Paine, Ben Cutting and George Bailey were part of a World XI that played a three-match T20 series there in 2017.

One potential impediment is that the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade advises Australians to reconsider travelling to Pakistan "due to the volatile security situation and high threat of terrorist attack, kidnapping and sectarian violence".

"Terrorist attacks can occur anywhere and at any time in Pakistan. Places frequented by foreigners are at particularly high threat of attack," it said.

The Australians toured a potentially volatile Bangladesh last year and were given presidential-style security.

In an interview with London's Daily Telegraph, Khan said Pakistan would provide any touring nation with "military-style security".

"It may well be small steps getting county teams touring and visiting the fantastic national academy. Could we get an MCC team to tour? Or could we have a small number of international matches to start with, rather than a whole series? Could teams play one or two one-day internationals on their way through to the United Arab Emirates?" he said.

"I appreciate countries have a lot of security issues but, with military-style security on offer, I am keen to understand where the gaps are so we can address them.

"It is interesting for me to get to the bottom of those things and see what I can influence and the conversations I need to have with other countries so we can understand what we need to do to ensure they can come back to Pakistan."

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...-door-to-pakistan-return-20181222-p50nw6.html
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the Great Khan said:
what do they want? they want Pakistan to turn into Dubai overnight so they can feel "safe" but are happy to go to any other subcontinental country with just as many problems. I mean these hypocrites went to sri lanka when the war was raging on a few kilometers away. they went to England at the height of the war with the IRA. I mean the IRA killed a member of the royal family and nearly killed the PM.
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No they didn’t. Australia cancelled Sri Lanka in 1996 World Cup match. Were one of the first to cancel against Zimbabwe around 2003 and then Pakistan. They simply follow govt security advise and state intelligence infrastructure. England (Or India) have incredible security networks, I.e Interpol and military technology is extremely sophisticated and streamlined. Yes we have bombs in England in 1980’s but it’s a very different country to what it used to be in the times of the IRA
 
Wasim Khan talking to the Australians could be the reason behind CA softening their stance. Still don't think they will tour though.
 
They're being nice this time.

And, as a result, will deny nicely as well. Not right away.

However, if it does happen, will be truly awesome. Any team will tour then.
 
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Cricket Australia softens stance on tour to Pakistan

KARACHI: Following an approach from the Pakistan Cricket Board, Cricket Australia seems to have softened its stance on touring Pakistan to play international cricket for the first time in twenty years. Newly appointed Managing Director of the PCB, Wasim Khan, has mentioned in several interviews that he is actively working towards bringing international cricket back to Pakistan, and was keen on it happening soon. Australia are currently due to play Pakistan in 5 ODIs in UAE ahead of the World Cup next year, but the PCB have entered talks with Cricket Australia in a bid to convince the board to play the first two matches in Pakistan, and the rest in the UAE.

“We are in ongoing discussions with the PCB about the one-day tour in March next year. We recognise the PCB and the Pakistan government are taking every step to improve the security for touring cricket teams and we’ll continue discussions with the PCB, with the safety and security of Australian players and support staff being our number one priority,” a Cricket Australia spokesman told Sydney Morning Herald. Pakistan have been forced to play in front of nearly empty stadiums in the UAE in the past, but international teams have gradually warmed up to the idea of returning to the country to play, with Sri Lanka playing a one-off T20 in 2017 (eight years after a terrorist attack on their team bus in Lahore).
The Windies also played a three-match T20I series in Karachi in April 2018, while a World XI including the likes of Tim Paine, Ben Cutting and George Bailey played a three-match T20I series in the country in 2017. “It may well be small steps getting county teams touring and visiting the fantastic national academy. Could we get an MCC team to tour? Or could we have a small number of international matches to start with, rather than a whole series? Could teams play one or two one-day internationals on their way through to the United Arab Emirates,” Khan told the Daily Telegraph.

“I appreciate countries have a lot of security issues but, with military-style security on offer, I am keen to understand where the gaps are so we can address them. “It is interesting for me to get to the bottom of those things and see what I can influence and the conversations I need to have with other countries so we can understand what we need to do to ensure they can come back to Pakistan.”

The Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade currently carries a formal advisory, asking citizens to reconsider traveling to Pakistan “due to the volatile security situation and high threat of terrorist attack, kidnapping and sectarian violence. Terrorist attacks can occur anywhere and at any time in Pakistan. Places frequented by foreigners are at particularly high threat of attack.” But with the recent conversations held between the PCB and CA, it might not be long before an Australian team tours Pakistan once again.

It has also been reported that the PCB is keen on hosting the opening two matches against Aaron Finch’s side, with the remaining three in the UAE. Most cricket nations have avoided touring Pakistan since 2009 when gunmen attacked a bus carrying Sri Lankan cricketers, injuring six players and killing six security personnel and two civilians. Australia have not toured Pakistan since 1998 – when they played three Tests and three one-day internationals under the captaincy of Mark Taylor.

https://dailytimes.com.pk/336526/cricket-australia-softens-stance-on-tour-to-pakistan/
 
Time for P.M Imran khan to make some calls (He is the best person to convince anyone)...
 
Don't see Australia touring. The cricket board might be open to it but you still have to convince 15 players who have familes to your. Steve Smith won't be travelling to Pakistan if his franchise reach the play offs. So I don't see the players still wanting to travel to Pakistan unfortunately.
 
Australia tell Pakistan they won't be touring, for now

The Pakistan Cricket Board has been told Australia won’t be coming to Pakistan this time around, but Cricket Australia insists it is open to the idea of a return in the future.

Australia are scheduled to play five one-day internationals away to Pakistan in March/April, the last ODIs Aaron Finch’s side will play before their World Cup defence begins in England in June.

Australia haven’t played in Pakistan since 1998, however the gradual return of international cricket to the country in recent years had boosted hopes that the Aussies could come back for at least some of this year’s one-dayers.

PCB chairman Ehsan Mani spoke to then-incoming CA chief executive Kevin Roberts during the Aussies’ Test series against Pakistan in the United Arab Emirates in October, with Mani publicly calling for Australia, England and New Zealand to follow the lead of the West Indies, Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe who have ventured back to Pakistan since 2017.

The return of Sri Lanka was particularly significant given the involvement of their players in the deadly Lahore bus attack of 2009.

A handful of Australian players - including current Test captain Tim Paine - also featured in a World XI side that played in Pakistan in 2017.

But while CA have indicated a desire to play again in Pakistan, a commitment to tour won’t materialise in the next few months.

“We want to see international cricket return to Pakistan – the country has a huge passion for it,” a CA spokesperson said.

“However, the safety of our players and support staff is our number one priority and we won’t compromise that. We’ll continue to take advice from a range of government agencies and our own security intelligence and act on this accordingly.

“At this stage, from an Australia team perspective, we are not contemplating moving our current bilateral-tour arrangements from taking on Pakistan in the UAE, when they host the next series but we do remain open to the idea of playing in the country again. We formally advised the PCB of this position in early January.”

The PCB is yet to reveal the exact dates for the series, and depending on when the matches are scheduled, they could mark the international returns of suspended pair Steve Smith and David Warner, whose 12-month bans for their involvement in the ball tampering scandal expire on March 29.

However there is even greater uncertainty surrounding Smith’s return after his premature departure from the Bangladesh Premier League with an elbow injury. The former Australian captain will undergo surgery on Tuesday and will be in a brace for six weeks. Just when he will actually play again is somewhat of a mystery.

The Pakistan series will follow the Aussies’ white-ball tour of India. Australia play two Twenty20 internationals against India in late February before five ODIs in the first half of March, beginning in Hyderabad on March 2.

The Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade’s current advice is for Australians to reconsider their need to travel to Pakistan in general, while some regions are complete no-go zones.

Australia have travelled to volatile areas in the not-too-distant past. In 2017, Smith’s side played two Tests in Bangladesh, with players, staff and touring media protected by military guard throughout the visit. Two years earlier Australia had cancelled a planned tour of Bangladesh due to heightened security risks, however CA’s security chief Sean Carroll travelled to the country ahead of the 2017 series and was satisfied that it was OK for Australia to tour.

Finch and Pakistan-born Usman Khawaja both recently said they would be open to play in Pakistan if security boxes were ticked.

"Obviously, whatever Cricket Australia tells us, that’ll be the big thing,” Khawaja said.

“We’ll leave it to the administrators. They’re pretty good at taking care of us and making sure everything’s safe.

"I was born in Pakistan so it won’t be too different for me, but it’s still a while away."

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cri...won-t-be-touring-for-now-20190113-p50r4o.html
 
They will use the same excuse next time they are invited as well. The PCB needs to focus on other teams more willing to tour Pakistan for now
 
Australia will not tour unless England, South Africa and New Zealand tour Pakistan for a full series.

There is absolutely no chance of Australia taking the initiative ahead of these teams. My hunch is that England will be the first “white” team to play in Pakistan again.
 
Eventually when teams start touring, folks will applaud the efforts of getting world elevens or any of the lower ranked teams to tour. It’s all about making progress incrementally.
 
PCB response to the story by Sydney Morning Herald

Chairman PCB wrote a letter to the CA Chairman, Mr Earl Eddings, on 7 January in which he had suggested that the CA, as part of a standard protocol and process for bilateral series, should send their recce team to Pakistan to receive presentations on Pakistan’s security arrangements.

The PCB is still waiting for a response from the CA.

Until the PCB hears further from the CA on their 7 January letter, they will consider this as an open and an ongoing discussion.
 
Mamoon said:
Australia will not tour unless England, South Africa and New Zealand tour Pakistan for a full series.

There is absolutely no chance of Australia taking the initiative ahead of these teams. My hunch is that England will be the first “white” team to play in Pakistan again.
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I do not feel Pakistan is safe for international cricket. We should stop expecting team touring us in near future.
 
If they don’t cone to Pakistan please cancel the tour don’t wana see this in UAE
 
Asif321 said:
If they don’t cone to Pakistan please cancel the tour don’t wana see this in UAE
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They need stop offering UAE as an alternative. Its either Pakistan or nothing. If its nothing then pull out of ICC tournaments. No more profiteering from Pakistan brand when it suits them.
 
Napa said:
The "loads of tourists" is misleading. Tourism has been flat in Pakistan from 2010 to 2017. In comparison, it has grown 2X in India and 4X in Bangladesh during this time. SL with a population 1/10th of Pakistan, gets more than 10X the number of tourists. Given that tourism is flat, it is quite likely that the tourists who visit Pakistan are mostly Pakistanis who live abroad.

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It is very obvious that most of the so called tourist that are visiting pakistan are just overseas Pakistanis. Just see the tourism receipts for each country. In Counties like Maldives, Sri Lanka, India tourists spend approximately anywhere between 3000 to 6000 dollars. In pakistan the so called tourists spend approximately 400 dollars. Corresponding amount in India is around 4800 dollars. Unless india is twelve times expensive than pakistan it is obvious that most tourists visiting pakistan are Pakistanis. It is the same case in Bangladesh and Nepal although the number of foreign tourists seems to be higher as they tend to spend approximately 1000 dollars. Their per tourist spending is also brought down due to the fact that lot of Indians visit both the places who will be spending less, probably 1/3 rd of what westerners would spend
 
Quite an idiotic decision to try and pursue Australia to tour when it has always been the board most concerned with security issues in the past.
 
Will PCB ever be realistic? Can't even get Bangladesh to tour and this guys are jumping up and down for
Australia. Set small goals, get Bd/SL/etc to tour first then go after the big fish.
 
Either way, back to the original topic at hand here, I think the reason why tourism and teams don't tour Pakistan in 2019 is more so because of perception rather than reality. In 2019 Pakistan is as safe as it was when teams used to regularly tour Pakistan. However, the perception of the 2009-2013 period still lingers around and is reflected in the government advisories.
 
Australia were always the least likely team to tour. Better off asking South Africa to tour. Among SENA nations, I believe they would be the first to tour.
 
Slightly off-topic, but are Pakistan asking one team or the other to tour Pakistan outside the FTP?

Or are they merely moving a scheduled UAE tour to Pakistan?

You'd think things will get complicated once the points system for the Test and ODI Championship kick in.
 
Varun said:
Slightly off-topic, but are Pakistan asking one team or the other to tour Pakistan outside the FTP?

Or are they merely moving a scheduled UAE tour to Pakistan?

You'd think things will get complicated once the points system for the Test and ODI Championship kick in.
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We are scheduled to play 5 ODIs against Australia during the period we want to play these games. It’s already in the FTP.
 
I am not sure asking the western teams to consider tours is the right approach. Can they get Sri Lanka and Bangladesh to agree to full tours? How about allievating concerns by getting a few Asian teams for complete long tours and then push the western ones
 
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