So Australia is overrated and England is not?

[Mian]

Been reading some of the analysis over PP in last couple of weeks and according to a few this Australia team was so overrated and all the hype around England team was well justified.

So i want to know what exactly the one dimensional FTBs who were going to score 500 have done so far in this WC?

If you want to talk about England scoring those 350s on flat pitches well even Pakistan was able to score 300s and 350s consecutively on those pitches so they don't mean anything i was actually surprised to see Pak scoring those 300s after 300s for fun!

Talk about hyping a one dimensional team based on JAMODIS played on flat pitches to prepare for a WC campaign

 

[Mian]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] must be writing a long essay to tell us about how all these pak, lanka and aussie wins are fluke, bad luck, bad umpiring, a bad day for england etc etc

 

[Hasan123]

Well I did try and tell him. All he kept going on about was how weak Australia are but never mentioned how his favourite team looked clueless versus De Silva. ) )

 

[Kianig89]

The pressure of being home team is getting England nervous on paper they still are a gun team behind India only in spin department

 

[zulfiqar]

Man, truth is that England were a gun side leading into this tournament. If you told me England will drop games to Aus, PAK & SL before the tournament started, well - you'd be a genius.

There might be many different explanations postulated about why this is happening to them. One is that their insistence on chasing every single game even when it's not working out for them is a stance that is just way too stubborn and might need introspection. The first step would be to admit that chasing in pressure games in WC is different to chasing in random bilateral series.

 

[bujhee kom]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] must be writing a long essay to tell us about how all these pak, lanka and aussie wins are fluke, bad luck, bad umpiring, a bad day for england etc etc

England have been gaped.

 

[Hyperion66]

I must admit I was wrong about England, they can still decimate bowling attacks on pancakes but they just don't have the mental game to survive on a sporting pitch against relentless attack, both Aus and SL showed that.

 

[Mian]

Well I did try and tell him. All he kept going on about was how weak Australia are but never mentioned how his favourite team looked clueless versus De Silva. ) )

The golden generation fooled us by making Malik look like the next coming of Saqlain Mushtaq

 

[zulfiqar]

I can see Morgan coming out and saying "Well look mate, we were chasing huge scores before... " and that's when someone should cut him off and tell him that maybe you need to be a little more flexible and adapt mid-way in the tournament when you see it's clearly not working!

 

[Hasan123]

The golden generation fooled us by making Malik look like the next coming of Saqlain Mushtaq

He never responded to that point.

 

[saeed5646]

I must admit I was wrong about England, they can still decimate bowling attacks on pancakes but they just don't have the mental game to survive on a sporting pitch against relentless attack, both Aus and SL showed that.

Same here England have performed shockingly. Nobody in right mind would have thought England won't reach semis .Aus have surprised everyone they are team to beat along with india and nz

 

[Mian]

Let's see if the golden generation can bounce back in next match.

 

[pakistani pride]

The pressure of being home team is getting England nervous on paper they still are a gun team behind India only in spin department

No they are not. They are good only for flat tracks but the main thing is they bottle it when it really matters: ICC EVENTS.

We all know AUS do not care about JAMODIS.

 

[Kianig89]

England will pick themselves from here Mark.it Plz

 

[Hyperion66]

Same here England have performed shockingly. Nobody in right mind would have thought England won't reach semis .Aus have surprised everyone they are team to beat along with india and nz

Couldn't agree more, and must applaud Pak for showing the way how to put this overrated batting to its rightful place.

 

[Green Patriot]

Over rated or not Australia are the first to make it into the semis and that speaks alot for itself.

 

[Nfc120]

The truth of the matter is that England does not have good batsman. They are so so so highly overrated. Never seen them accomplish anything on a green pitch. THey are very vulnerable. A gun side on the flattest of phattas only. Best batsmen is Bairstow he's played a lot of quality innings for his side. Rest of them can't face up to decent bowling.

 

[DeadBall]

350 is a below par score

 

[Plumb]

Who said Aussie is overrated

Overrated, cocky, FTB, chokers... that's what Eng is. They were over the moon when they won against Pak. This is WC its all about pressure and experience of winning big games

 

[Syed1]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] must be writing a long essay to tell us about how all these pak, lanka and aussie wins are fluke, bad luck, bad umpiring, a bad day for england etc etc

He is a drafting a 500 word, three part essay as we speak

 

[Syed1]

"360 is par score against us" )

 

[fareedymohammad]

England only white washed against Pakistan because Pakistan was not playing the correct balling line up. Despite that most of those games were close.

 

[Plumb]

He is a drafting a 500 word, three part essay as we speak

500 word... I see what you did there

 

[Pakpak]

I don't know why people rated them to win the WC. Their bowling is utter trash, and chasing 300+ in pointless ODI series is different. I said it back then too if they let teams score 300 in WC every game they will get beaten everytime.

 

[WebGuru]

Just an overrated stat:

Top 2 run scorers in CWC: Warner (500, 2 centuries), Finch (496, 2 centuries)

Leading wicket taker in CWC: Starc (19 Wickets)

 

[Syed1]

Just an overrated stat:

Top 2 run scorers in CWC: Warner (500, 2 centuries), Finch (496, 2 centuries)

Leading wicket taker in CWC: Starc (19 Wickets)

Yeh phir leh ke ja rahay hain.... number sixth coming up


Unless India stop them, which is an even worse prospect.

 

[WebGuru]

Yeh phir leh ke ja rahay hain.... number sixth coming up


Unless India stop them, which is an even worse prospect.

92 main to ayse nae hua tha?

 

[andy0204]

See where i like about australia team is that even though they lose bilaterals before wc but when it comes to world cup they change their gears,still remember in 2007 when they were in golden phase before world cup they lost cb series to england and bilateral series against nz as soon as wc started they became invincible

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Not sure how this thread is different from the one I created few days ago? Which is the most overconfident team in this world cup? Where did it disappear?

 

[topspin]

See where i like about australia team is that even though they lose bilaterals before wc but when it comes to world cup they change their gears,still remember in 2007 when they were in golden phase before world cup they lost cb series to england and bilateral series against nz as soon as wc started they became invincible

Exactly, they always raise their game when the stakes are high. For me it’s between them and India to lift this WC.

 

[andy0204]

Exactly, they always raise their game when the stakes are high. For me it’s between them and India to lift this WC.

i think underdogs will win this wc

 

[topspin]

i think underdogs will win this wc

Beating NZ is going to be a tough ask and the Bangladesh match could be anyone’s game. Also we’re still relying on England to lose at least one of their next two games, which isn’t a given if they have 2 good days.

If we can somehow overcome NZ tomorrow, then I will have more hope. Also not to forget SL need to lose a game as well against either WI, SA or India. I can’t see them winning all three, so not too concerned about them.

 

[AdamM97]

England aren’t overrated. I still believe they’ll end up winning this whole thing. Vince is destroying their batting lineup. Once Roy returns, they’ll be back to normal.

 

[Hawkeye]

I've been saying since the start of the tournament, England is going to bottle it, they were never in the race to win the cup.

It's just not for them.

SA and ENG should sit together and have a serious talk. Self-reflect.

"350 is par" and "we'll make 500" didn't win them any fans either. They became the victims of their own overconfidence.

For SA, they made a blunder by sitting AB out, who volunteered to take back the retirement. You don't do that in sports. Messi would've been sitting at his home by now if Argentina did what SA did.

 

[Syed1]

Not to forget they dropped like 2-3 catches and Buttler also missed easy stumping.... Choking like no tomorrow

 

[AdamM97]

Not to forget they dropped like 2-3 catches and Buttler also missed easy stumping.... Choking like no tomorrow

Buttler missing easy stumpings is as normal as Pakistan dropping catches. I’ve always believed that Bairstow should be their wk. Buttler is an average wk.

 

[The_Odd_One]

It turns out that Pakistan beating England in CT semi-final was not a fluke. Any half decent team will beat England in a pressure game.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Not to forget they dropped like 2-3 catches and Buttler also missed easy stumping.... Choking like no tomorrow

Buttler also forgot to say thanks to IPL as well. We were told by some passionate Pyjama League fans that he has learned to play under pressure situation because of IPL.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Man... The comments are hilarious. )

NZ winning the WC would be great I reckon.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Butter has to prove he is clutch.

Immense talent but gotta translate.

So far not good at all.

 

[Hasan123]

Mamoon said to me Australia only win the World Cup when they are favourites. England are the favourites and can’t handle. You have no idea how hard it is to win 4 out 5 World cups.

 

[IAJ]

Australia is a big tournament team. The way they played against Windies was amazing and today again they shows what a big force they are.

And people should hold their horses when it comes to England. They are still in the tournament and have the players to bounce back.

 

[Mian]

Mamoon said to me Australia only win the World Cup when they are favourites. England are the favourites and can’t handle. You have no idea how hard it is to win 4 out 5 World cups.

I can bet my house SA might have won at least one if they had these many ICC Events at home. How many WCs and CTs England hosted and won compared to SA?

 

[Hasan123]

I can bet my house SA might have won at least one if they had these many ICC Events at home. How many WCs and CTs England hosted and won compared to SA?

South Africa hosted the 2003 WC. South Africa issue has been mental and they have been unlucky at times as well.

 

[Mian]

South Africa hosted the 2003 WC. South Africa issue has been mental and they have been unlucky at times as well.

Yea and England hosted what 5 WCs? talk about being mental midgets

 

[Hasan123]

Yea and England hosted what 5 WCs? talk about being mental midgets

Yes England have mental issues. Also they really struggle against spin. Which has cost them in their 3 defeats.

 

[QalandarFan]

Well I did try and tell him. All he kept going on about was how weak Australia are but never mentioned how his favourite team looked clueless versus De Silva. ) )

This I've agreed with this all along as well Australia along with India are probably the most balanced team in the tournament who not only can win games on ALL types of pitches but also know how to handle the pressure. There is a REASON Australia have won 5 world cups, but that dude who was talking bout Australia like they are some sort of minnows doesn't seem to understand this.

 

[Hasan123]

This I've agreed with this all along as well Australia along with India are probably the most balanced team in the tournament who not only can win games on ALL types of pitches but also know how to handle the pressure. There is a REASON Australia have won 5 world cups, but that dude who was talking bout Australia like they are some sort of minnows doesn't seem to understand this.

Australia have won WC in every continent I believe. Trust me this golden generation of English players would never ever do that.

Mamoon has the lost the plot when it comes to England.

Australia have got their tactics spot on, they have experience of winning the World Cup, and they have 2 elite coaches in the dressing room. Can never ever write them off. I hope Pakistan avoid them in the semis or final.

Only India can stop this Australian team imo.

 

[QalandarFan]

I can bet my house SA might have won at least one if they had these many ICC Events at home. How many WCs and CTs England hosted and won compared to SA?

If the 2015 one was in South Africa I agree Saffers would of one. AB was a man on a mission he had an unreal 2015, I remember that ODI series he had in India vs India absloutley thrashed those spinners like I have seen no other non-asian or non-windies player in my life. It was truly his year he should of came 1 down but even in that SF loss if it didn't rain they would of won the SF. And in the Final I'm sure AB would of carted around the pacers of Australia. He sure as hell would not have let James Faulkner win MOTM. But yeah if World Cup 2015 was in SA they win that WC in my view. They didn't choke in that WC in my mind. AB was in beast form then you have Amla, Faf, Duminy, and Miller in their prime. Man that was their world cup to win.

 

[AZulfi]

Only someone who has little or no knowledge of cricket would dare to underrate Australia in any World Cup. The Aussies always do well in world cups and they usually beat England in World Cup games. And with Smith and Warner back in the side, their batting is one of the strongest in this WC. I won’t be surprised if they go on to retain the title

 

[Indiafan]

I can bet my house SA might have won at least one if they had these many ICC Events at home. How many WCs and CTs England hosted and won compared to SA?

On the contrary host sides never won world cups. The only world won at home is the 2011 and 2015 ones

 

[QalandarFan]

Australia have won WC in every continent I believe. Trust me this golden generation of English players would never ever do that.

Mamoon has the lost the plot when it comes to England.

Australia have got their tactics spot on, they have experience of winning the World Cup, and they have 2 elite coaches in the dressing room. Can never ever write them off. I hope Pakistan avoid them in the semis or final.

Only India can stop this Australian team imo.

This England team is just not that good. Like for real I can name a bunch of teams better than this English side. To think Morgan said that no other English batsman would make this side before the World Cup. Yeah right I'm pretty sure you'd happily take KP in this side now bud. As for their bowling it is minnow level. Before Archer Adil Rashid was suppose to be their best bowler think about that. Even Archer hasn't been that good he's got carted around a couple times by Pakistan, and I'm sure India will do the same. Plus the way Morgan talks in the press conferences these guys view themselves as the great Aussie team or Windies team. Like every time they lose there is an excuse. In the 2017 CT SF loss to Pakistan; "they won cause the played here two days ago" Dude this is your home ground. In the loss to Pakistan this WC "we just got out fielded" Pakistan had just as many if not more misfields than England. The game against SL was suppose to be a "blip" seemed to me like you couldn't handle conditions and once again here against Australia could not handle the pressure or conditions. No wonder these guys are losing so much. They refuse to accept that outside flat pitches they are simply not good enough to even beat Pakistan let alone teams like Australia and India.

 

[Hasan123]

This England team is just not that good. Like for real I can name a bunch of teams better than this English side. To think Morgan said that no other English batsman would make this side before the World Cup. Yeah right I'm pretty sure you'd happily take KP in this side now bud. As for their bowling it is minnow level. Before Archer Adil Rashid was suppose to be their best bowler think about that. Even Archer hasn't been that good he's got carted around a couple times by Pakistan, and I'm sure India will do the same. Plus the way Morgan talks in the press conferences these guys view themselves as the great Aussie team or Windies team. Like every time they lose there is an excuse. In the 2017 CT SF loss to Pakistan; "they won cause the played here two days ago" Dude this is your home ground. In the loss to Pakistan this WC "we just got out fielded" Pakistan had just as many if not more misfields than England. The game against SL was suppose to be a "blip" seemed to me like you couldn't handle conditions and once again here against Australia could not handle the pressure or conditions. No wonder these guys are losing so much. They refuse to accept that outside flat pitches they are simply not good enough to even beat Pakistan let alone teams like Australia and India.

England bowling has actually saved them a few times in this tournament. If it wasn’t for their bowling they may have had more defeats.

They are a good team but they are flawed and have mental issues. I don’t see them beating India or Australia if they get through anyway.

 

[QalandarFan]

England bowling has actually saved them a few times in this tournament. If it wasn’t for their bowling they may have had more defeats.

They are a good team but they are flawed and have mental issues. I don’t see them beating India or Australia if they get through anyway.

Here or there Archer and Wood may turn up but overall it is a pretty mediocre bowling line-up.

 

[The_Odd_One]

South Africa hosted the 2003 WC. South Africa issue has been mental and they have been unlucky at times as well.

South Africa was robbed in 2015. They were all set to post match-winning total.

 

[Hasan123]

South Africa was robbed in 2015. They were all set to post match-winning total.

In 99 that run out was unlucky as well. More often than not, a non striker would not freeze in that situation. South Africa have choked in some games but they have had some unluck as well.

 

[Mamoon]

Roy’s injury has disrupted the tempo of their batting and Moeen is in a complete rut. He is batting like a joker and his form is crucial to England’s batting depth. Woakes, Rashid and even Archer can bat, but they are not proper batsmen like Moeen.

All is not lost for England. If they can get Roy back, they are still capable of turning their campaign around. If Roy is unfit for the next match, they should open with Root. Vince is mentally shot and a change of position could help him.

 

[Technics 1210]

Roy’s injury has disrupted the tempo of their batting and Moeen is in a complete rut. He is batting like a joker and his form is crucial to England’s batting depth. Woakes, Rashid and even Archer can bat, but they are not proper batsmen like Moeen.

All is not lost for England. If they can get Roy back, they are still capable of turning their campaign around. If Roy is unfit for the next match, they should open with Root. Vince is mentally shot and a change of position could help him.

Roy was playing vs Pakistan when England lost. There goes your injury theory.

I am surprised you have not pinned Moeen's performance on the fact his ethnicity is Pakistani!

 

[Ab Fan]

The disappointment of the day for me is Jos Buttler's batting in this tournament. He played a magnificent inning against Pakistan but could not see off the chase. It would have been an absolute masterclass had he done it. Since then, he has been off colour.

I remember back in WC 2015 in the virtual knock-out vs BD as well, he played a magnificent inning but got out to a bad decision by umpire and eventually England lost that match. He almost won England that match single-handedly but failed. It used to be the case with de Villiers as well. However, AB has performed very well with the bat in the World Cups and has very few shares of failures in World Cup matches with the bat.

 

[Ab Fan]

Roy was playing vs Pakistan when England lost. There goes your injury theory.

I am surprised you have not pinned Moeen's performance on the fact his ethnicity is Pakistani!

If Starc and company can get early breakthroughs and get out a world class test batsmen like Joe Root, they won't be required to work too hard to get Roy out as well. The target was 285, not 335 that openers or Root at no. 3 necessarily have to go to a flier.

The requirement was that England should have batted patiently and not lose early wickets in the first 15 overs. Afterwards with the power hitters they had, they could have chased 285 total.

 

[Technics 1210]

If Starc and company can get early breakthroughs and get out a world class test batsmen like Joe Root, they won't be required to work too hard to get Roy out as well. The target was 285, not 335 that openers or Root at no. 3 necessarily have to go to a flier.

The requirement was that England should have batted patiently and not lose early wickets in the first 15 overs. Afterwards with the power hitters they had, they could have chased 285 total.

This table (updated as of today) proves why the excuse of Roy is just that, a pathetic excuses for England's failure. Look at the number of England batsmen in the top 20.

 

[Mamoon]

Roy was playing vs Pakistan when England lost. There goes your injury theory.

I am surprised you have not pinned Moeen's performance on the fact his ethnicity is Pakistani!

Roy failed against Pakistan but that doesn’t mean he would have failed against Sri Lanka or Australia. Against any opponent in any situation, he is far more likely to perform compared to someone like Vince. To claim that his absence hasn’t hurt England is nonsense.

 

[Technics 1210]

Roy failed against Pakistan but that doesn’t mean he would have failed against Sri Lanka or Australia. Against any opponent in any situation, he is far more likely to perform compared to someone like Vince. To claim that his absence hasn’t hurt England is nonsense.

I suggest you look at the top batsman of the WC thus far. The table includes 6 English batsmen, and notice where Roy is. You are still trying to claim the absence of Roy has hurt England? Even if this notion is granted, his presence was of no use vs Pakistan either.

Whether Vince performs or not is irrelevant because the remaining 5 batsmen in the top 20 list play BELOW Roy/Vince's batting position!

 

[Mamoon]

Cricket can be such a cruel game.

England have worked so hard in the last four years. They had a clear plan and they worked towards it. They dropped as many as 9 players from their 2015 World Cup squad, and completely changed the way they played ODI cricket. Post 2015 World Cup, they won a series against every time and also beat India last summer to cement themselves as the number 1 team.

However, it is all falling apart and everything that could go wrong for them is going wrong. Injuries, marginal calls etc. everything is going against them.

If England fail to win the World Cup it will completely demoralize them. It is very disappointing. Now is the true test of Morgan’s leadership. He has the players to beat any team in the world, but it is about conditioning them to produce their 100% best against New Zealand and India.

 

[hur rizvi]

Cricket can be such a cruel game.

England have worked so hard in the last four years. They had a clear plan and they worked towards it. They dropped as many as 9 players from their 2015 World Cup squad, and completely changed the way they played ODI cricket. Post 2015 World Cup, they won a series against every time and also beat India last summer to cement themselves as the number 1 team.

However, it is all falling apart and everything that could go wrong for them is going wrong. Injuries, marginal calls etc. everything is going against them.

If England fail to win the World Cup it will completely demoralize them. It is very disappointing. Now is the true test of Morgan’s leadership. He has the players to beat any team in the world, but it is about conditioning them to produce their 100% best against New Zealand and India.

Only on flat motorways they are a decent team otherwise pretty average

Nothing cruel about this getting what they deserve

 

[Mamoon]

I suggest you look at the top batsman of the WC thus far. The table includes 6 English batsmen, and notice where Roy is. You are still trying to claim the absence of Roy has hurt England? Even if this notion is granted, his presence was of no use vs Pakistan either.

Whether Vince performs or not is irrelevant because the remaining 5 batsmen in the top 20 list play BELOW Roy/Vince's batting position!

He fired in only one game, which also proved to be his last so far where he scored 150. He is one of the best openers in the world and the best in England. His presence makes huge difference, and his absence leaves a huge void.

His replacement has completely flopped and Roy would have done much better even had he played below his best. Sorry but your justification that England have not missed Roy doesn’t fly. You simply don’t want to admit that they are not at full-strength.

 

[Technics 1210]

Cricket can be such a cruel game.

England have worked so hard in the last four years. They had a clear plan and they worked towards it. They dropped as many as 9 players from their 2015 World Cup squad, and completely changed the way they played ODI cricket. Post 2015 World Cup, they won a series against every time and also beat India last summer to cement themselves as the number 1 team.

However, it is all falling apart and everything that could go wrong for them is going wrong. Injuries, marginal calls etc. everything is going against them.

If England fail to win the World Cup it will completely demoralize them. It is very disappointing. Now is the true test of Morgan’s leadership. He has the players to beat any team in the world, but it is about conditioning them to produce their 100% best against New Zealand and India.

So now you finally concede that leadership plays the utmost role in nurturing and guiding talent. What happened to talent alone wins games nonsense?

Bilateral series results have squat to do with performances in the WC. Not to say anything of how rankings are unreliable!

 

[Syed1]

If England do win their remaining 2 games and Pak win their remaining 3 games, we will have to bank on Australia beating New Zealand to qualify.

 

[Technics 1210]

He fired in only one game, which also proved to be his last so far where he scored 150. He is one of the best openers in the world and the best in England. His presence makes huge difference, and his absence leaves a huge void.

His replacement has completely flopped and Roy would have done much better even had he played below his best. Sorry but your justification that England have not missed Roy doesn’t fly. You simply don’t want to admit that they are not at full-strength.

So Roy is meant to be key in England's performance but only fired in one game, yet England have 8 points? Yet you want us to believe his presence makes a huge difference? Get real. If England cannot chase 230 odd vs SL, or 280 odd vs Australia WITHOUT ROY, or fail to chase 348 vs Pakistan WITH ROY, then your hypothesis is a joke.

What happened to your England had a bad day excuse?

 

[andy0204]

So Roy is meant to be key in England's performance but only fired in one game, yet England have 8 points? Yet you want us to believe his presence makes a huge difference? Get real. If England cannot chase 230 odd vs SL, or 280 odd vs Australia WITHOUT ROY, or fail to chase 348 vs Pakistan WITH ROY, then your hypothesis is a joke.

What happened to your England had a bad day excuse?

Its like saying pakistan didnt have waqar,anwar in 1992,australia didnt have warne in 2003 this all are excuses.In world cup there are chances to have ab injury even dhawan got injured he is the best player when it comes to icc tournaments

 

[Mamoon]

So now you finally concede that leadership plays the utmost role in nurturing and guiding talent. What happened to talent alone wins games nonsense?

Bilateral series results have squat to do with performances in the WC. Not to say anything of how rankings are unreliable!

You missed the point. This is the only where leadership can make a telling difference. You have world class players who at their best are better than anyone in the world. If they are not performing to their max capacity for some reason, how do you lift them up?

If you have mediocre players in your team who simply don’t have the capacity, leadership will not make a difference. It can happen once or twice in 50 years, but it cannot happen consistently.

This England team doesn’t need fluke performances to win the World Cup, they just have to play their best cricket, because their best cricket had made them number one in the world.

 

[Mamoon]

Its like saying pakistan didnt have waqar,anwar in 1992,australia didnt have warne in 2003 this all are excuses.In world cup there are chances to have ab injury even dhawan got injured he is the best player when it comes to icc tournaments

Australia were invincible in 2003 and Pakistan were lucky in 1992. This England team is neither invincible nor lucky; they need their best players to play.

 

[Mamoon]

So Roy is meant to be key in England's performance but only fired in one game, yet England have 8 points? Yet you want us to believe his presence makes a huge difference? Get real. If England cannot chase 230 odd vs SL, or 280 odd vs Australia WITHOUT ROY, or fail to chase 348 vs Pakistan WITH ROY, then your hypothesis is a joke.

What happened to your England had a bad day excuse?

Vince scored 14 vs Sri Lanka and England lost by 20 runs. Roy could have easily made the telling difference. Again, no guarantees, but the chances of Roy scoring more runs than Vince are extremely high, hence England have been unlucky with his injury.

 

[Technics 1210]

You missed the point. This is the only where leadership can make a telling difference. You have world class players who at their best are better than anyone in the world. If they are not performing to their max capacity for some reason, how do you lift them up?

If you have mediocre players in your team who simply don’t have the capacity, leadership will not make a difference. It can happen once or twice in 50 years, but it cannot happen consistently.

This England team doesn’t need fluke performances to win the World Cup, they just have to play their best cricket, because their best cricket had made them number one in the world.

Mediocre players from Pakistan, Australia, and Sri Lanka you mean? All 3 teams have beaten England in this WC.

We can see England playing at their best. Perhaps it is time you label England mediocre?

 

[Ab Fan]

If England do win their remaining 2 games and Pak win their remaining 3 games, we will have to bank on Australia beating New Zealand to qualify.

England 12 points
Pakistan 11 points
New Zealand 11 points

England will go to semis. It will be between NZ and Pak in such scenario for fourth position.

 

[Technics 1210]

Vince scored 14 vs Sri Lanka and England lost by 20 runs. Roy could have easily made the telling difference. Again, no guarantees, but the chances of Roy scoring more runs than Vince are extremely high, hence England have been unlucky with his injury.

Root, Butler, Eoin, and Stokes could have made the difference too. The chances of these batsmen scoring more is not high, it is a fact, check out top 20 batsman of the WC thus far.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

If England do win their remaining 2 games and Pak win their remaining 3 games, we will have to bank on Australia beating New Zealand to qualify.

New Zealand's NRR is quite high

 

[Syed1]

England 12 points
Pakistan 11 points
New Zealand 11 points

England will go to semis. It will be between NZ and Pak in such scenario for fourth position.

Yes that's what I meant it'll come down to between NZ and PAK and both will be on same points so NRR will come into play

 

[Syed1]

New Zealand's NRR is quite high

If we win 3 games ours will catch up

 

[Mamoon]

Mediocre players from Pakistan, Australia, and Sri Lanka you mean? All 3 teams have beaten England in this WC.

We can see England playing at their best. Perhaps it is time you label England mediocre?

You cannot be mediocre if you are ranked number 1. They have lost because of a combination of poor form, bad luck and injuries.