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A player that hadn't played an ODI for 3 years, comes back in the side as captain.

Was that the only reason he was persisted with for 2 years?

Now discarded, not even in the side as an opener?

If he is not in the ODI squad or CT 2017 squad then who was behind his selection as captain?

A decision that wreaked of bias, and needs to be scrutinized.

Has to be one of the worst decisions made.

The conclusion you can draw from this decision is, Azhar Ali might be a fine Test match batsman, but also a PCB 'yes-man' who only was selected to lead the ODI side, without any merit for his selection

This is coming from a big supporter of Azhar Ali captaincy, however now I feel robbed in that 2 years of ODI cricket was wasted under him
 
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Now he might come back for the champions trophy. This board is run by donkeys in form of a human being
 
Yes yes, our performance in last two years is wholely and solely because Azhar was selected as captain. This squad of world class matchwinners has been held back from playing to potential because Azhar is captain.
 
A player that hadn't played an ODI for 3 years, comes back in the side as captain.

Was that the only reason he was persisted with for 2 years?

Now discarded, not even in the side as an opener?

If he is not in the ODI squad or CT 2017 squad then who was behind his selection as captain?

A decision that wreaked of bias, and needs to be scrutinized.

Has to be one of the worst decisions made.

The conclusion you can draw from this decision is, Azhar Ali might be a fine Test match batsman, but also a PCB 'yes-man' who only was selected to lead the ODI side, without any merit for his selection

This is coming from a big supporter of Azhar Ali captaincy, however now I feel robbed in that 2 years of ODI cricket was wasted under him

I heard Misbah and Waqar recommended him for captaincy.
 
He never deserved to play LOIs, PCB was very foolish to make such player Captain of Pak ODI side.
 
Yes yes, our performance in last two years is wholely and solely because Azhar was selected as captain. This squad of world class matchwinners has been held back from playing to potential because Azhar is captain.

Not blaming Azhar for this, but surely a captain who was not even in the squad is made captain out of the blue, only to be removed from the squad when he isn't captain anymore... it just seems that Azhar was in the squad only to be captain I suppose
 
Not blaming Azhar for this, but surely a captain who was not even in the squad is made captain out of the blue, only to be removed from the squad when he isn't captain anymore... it just seems that Azhar was in the squad only to be captain I suppose

I dont see much of a story to it tbh. It wouldnt matter who captains this sorry lot the results would be the same.
 
Not blaming Azhar for this, but surely a captain who was not even in the squad is made captain out of the blue, only to be removed from the squad when he isn't captain anymore... it just seems that Azhar was in the squad only to be captain I suppose

which may not have been such a terrible idea if he had had a good track record as captain in domestics...
 
which may not have been such a terrible idea if he had had a good track record as captain in domestics...

Point.. hasn't captained in the domestics either.

Only in on captaincy because he looked the part, spoke good english, was friends with the right people.

Good attitude as a player, but poor tactitioner/leader
 
I dont see much of a story to it tbh. It wouldnt matter who captains this sorry lot the results would be the same.

Lets see what the future holds for others, I feel its a farce otherwise, a guy who is not in team on merit is being enforced as a leader for 2 years.. speaks volumes of the process and fast track.

Heck even Fawad Alam had a better chance of captaining the side than Azhar, who played his last ODI 4 months before the WC 2015
 
He was selected and kept in the side because of captaincy. Pcb should have kept him away from LO, if they wanted him to be made captain he should proven himself 1st in odis.

When he was made captain, he had to show he could play the LO game and prove himself as a captain. So he was under a lot of pressure. Had he intially been selected as a player he could have proven himself in odis than be made captain.

I think he could have done a good job as test captain but pcb incompetence ruined that.
 
He was an ideal replacement for Misbah. Someone with good character who could play an anchor role. I think this was the thought process behind his ODI captaincy.
 
Point.. hasn't captained in the domestics either.

Only in on captaincy because he looked the part, spoke good english, was friends with the right people.

Good attitude as a player, but poor tactitioner/leader

No, he had captained in domestics prior to being given the ODI captaincy. He led a weak Balochistan side to the finals of the domestic 50 over tournament and scored a lot of runs in the process.
 
No, he had captained in domestics prior to being given the ODI captaincy. He led a weak Balochistan side to the finals of the domestic 50 over tournament and scored a lot of runs in the process.

Yes, does that include First class? List A? Test Matches? Under 19 tournaments?
 
Bit like Cook back in 2011.

These decisions never work out over the long term.
 
He was an ideal replacement for Misbah. Someone with good character who could play an anchor role. I think this was the thought process behind his ODI captaincy.

Was he in the ODI team on merit? If he was, where is he right now?
 
Azhar Ali is fine as a player in ODIs, but no way he should be anywhere near captaincy
 
Id have him over a proven world tourney bottler like Shehzad.
 
Azhar Ali is simply not good enough.


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He was brought into the team after the World Cup because the PCB wanted an anchor after the retirement of Misbah. In addition, they were looking for someone to lead the ODI and Test side for the next 6-7 years. When you consider the candidates, it was obvious that he didn't have much competition. PCB could not give captaincy to a young player with little experience, and the likes of Hafeez and Malik were not in contention because the former was sacked as T20I captain in 2014 and Malik was not in the plans of the selectors at that point. Fawad had decent experience, but he never managed to convince the PCB that he was a long-term option.

In addition, the likes of Umar and Shehzad had enough experience, considering the fact that they were given enough opportunities from 2009, but they didn't do themselves any favors with their attitude and performance. Shehzad tossed his T20I captaincy into the fire after he reminded Dilshan of the fire in Hell. Until that point, he was a serious candidate. Haris wasn't an option either because he cemented his place only one series before the World Cup and he was yet to break into the Test team. That left PCB with three options only: Azhar, Shafiq and Sarfraz. Azhar beat Shafiq because he was a better player, and he edged Sarfraz because his character and personality were more in-line with Misbah's, and PCB wanted continuity - they wanted him to pick from where Misbah left.

Two years later, two things became clear: 1) a fish cannot learn to climb a tree no matter how hard it works 2) it is an unlucky fish that lost out due to circumstances beyond its control. More than due to the inability to climb the tree, it suffered because it was in the wrong place at the wrong time unlike Misbah.

Azhar tried hard to adapt to the ODI game, but he simply did not have the range shots and ability to rate the strike to maintain a SR of 90. At his age, it was not possible for him to learn these tricks of the trade. His strength lies in his unflappable temperament and ability to block all day long, while putting away deliveries in his zone. Those qualities have made him a good Test number 3 and a world class Test opener. However, as I said earlier, the biggest cause of his demise was due to factors that were not in his control. I have tremendous respect for Misbah and what he has done for Pakistan cricket, but the fact is that was an awful ODI captain and a mediocre ODI batsman. Apart from beating SL, he lost every single ODI series at home. SA, England, Australia and New Zealand all came to the desert and demolished us. In addition, the 2013 Champions Trophy was a complete disaster. No other serious cricket board will tolerate such humiliation, and a couple of series wins in India and SA along with the Asia Cup is not enough compensation. Misbah was not sacked because unlike Azhar, he already had the leverage of Test captaincy, he was a deaf king among blind batsmen, and he managed to make himself look like a good bowling captain due to his three javelin-throwers in Ajmal, Hafeez and Junaid.

When Azhar inherited Misbah, Ajmal and Hafeez were already caught for their illegal actions while Junaid got away with it, but regressed alarmingly due to his injuries. In addition, he also lost Afridi's bowling. In short, he pretty much lost the bowling attack that carried Misbah's team for years and years. In addition, his runs had little worth due to the emergence of Babar and Sharjeel and the resurgence of Malik. The former made Azhar's strike rate look worse, and the latter showed him (and Misbah) that it is possible to anchor the innings and accumulate runs without bringing the innings to a complete halt. Furthermore, Sarfraz got plenty of games against WI and got himself a winning streak, hence putting additional pressure on Azhar. Put Azhar as batsman and captain in the 2011-2014 team and he will immediately look better. On the contrary, put Misbah in Azhar's team and it won't take more than two series for him to get exposed.

Nonetheless, will all said and done, if Inzi The Revolutionary brings Azhar back for the Champions Trophy, it will rank as one of the worst decisions ever by a CS and should be enough to sack him. It will be massive backwards step.
 
Was he in the ODI team on merit? If he was, where is he right now?

As I said earlier, he was Misbah's replacement, both in terms of batting and "sharafat". Someone who could take team to 240-250 scores regularly and stay controversy free.

I was never his supporter in ODIs. Was explaining the thought process behind his captaincy.
 
He was brought into the team after the World Cup because the PCB wanted an anchor after the retirement of Misbah. In addition, they were looking for someone to lead the ODI and Test side for the next 6-7 years. When you consider the candidates, it was obvious that he didn't have much competition. PCB could not give captaincy to a young player with little experience, and the likes of Hafeez and Malik were not in contention because the former was sacked as T20I captain in 2014 and Malik was not in the plans of the selectors at that point. Fawad had decent experience, but he never managed to convince the PCB that he was a long-term option.

In addition, the likes of Umar and Shehzad had enough experience, considering the fact that they were given enough opportunities from 2009, but they didn't do themselves any favors with their attitude and performance. Shehzad tossed his T20I captaincy into the fire after he reminded Dilshan of the fire in Hell. Until that point, he was a serious candidate. Haris wasn't an option either because he cemented his place only one series before the World Cup and he was yet to break into the Test team. That left PCB with three options only: Azhar, Shafiq and Sarfraz. Azhar beat Shafiq because he was a better player, and he edged Sarfraz because his character and personality were more in-line with Misbah's, and PCB wanted continuity - they wanted him to pick from where Misbah left.

Two years later, two things became clear: 1) a fish cannot learn to climb a tree no matter how hard it works 2) it is an unlucky fish that lost out due to circumstances beyond its control. More than due to the inability to climb the tree, it suffered because it was in the wrong place at the wrong time unlike Misbah.

Azhar tried hard to adapt to the ODI game, but he simply did not have the range shots and ability to rate the strike to maintain a SR of 90. At his age, it was not possible for him to learn these tricks of the trade. His strength lies in his unflappable temperament and ability to block all day long, while putting away deliveries in his zone. Those qualities have made him a good Test number 3 and a world class Test opener. However, as I said earlier, the biggest cause of his demise was due to factors that were not in his control. I have tremendous respect for Misbah and what he has done for Pakistan cricket, but the fact is that was an awful ODI captain and a mediocre ODI batsman. Apart from beating SL, he lost every single ODI series at home. SA, England, Australia and New Zealand all came to the desert and demolished us. In addition, the 2013 Champions Trophy was a complete disaster. No other serious cricket board will tolerate such humiliation, and a couple of series wins in India and SA along with the Asia Cup is not enough compensation. Misbah was not sacked because unlike Azhar, he already had the leverage of Test captaincy, he was a deaf king among blind batsmen, and he managed to make himself look like a good bowling captain due to his three javelin-throwers in Ajmal, Hafeez and Junaid.

When Azhar inherited Misbah, Ajmal and Hafeez were already caught for their illegal actions while Junaid got away with it, but regressed alarmingly due to his injuries. In addition, he also lost Afridi's bowling. In short, he pretty much lost the bowling attack that carried Misbah's team for years and years. In addition, his runs had little worth due to the emergence of Babar and Sharjeel and the resurgence of Malik. The former made Azhar's strike rate look worse, and the latter showed him (and Misbah) that it is possible to anchor the innings and accumulate runs without bringing the innings to a complete halt. Furthermore, Sarfraz got plenty of games against WI and got himself a winning streak, hence putting additional pressure on Azhar. Put Azhar as batsman and captain in the 2011-2014 team and he will immediately look better. On the contrary, put Misbah in Azhar's team and it won't take more than two series for him to get exposed.

Nonetheless, will all said and done, if Inzi The Revolutionary brings Azhar back for the Champions Trophy, it will rank as one of the worst decisions ever by a CS and should be enough to sack him. It will be massive backwards step.

Good post but a few things I want to point out.

First of all - Hafeez resigned from the T20 captaincy himself after the 2014 T20 WC rather than be sacked. It is a mute point but since he was not sacked - the management could have gone back to him for the captaincy of the ODI team. However, I firmly the reason for him not being appointed captain was his mysterious "injury" right before the 2015 WC where Hafeez himself was reported to be crying about. Although he may have been nursing a minor injury himself - I think he had a falling out with Waqar or argument and was prompty sent home.

Also - not sure why Sarfraz's character is anything different than Misbah or Azhar's :13: He seems to be clean and honest based on what we have seen. If anything - he was not appointed captain at the time since he was new to ODI cricket himself. He returned to the ODI team during the Australia ODI series in 2014 and did not play in the 2015 WC until Nasir and YK's failures became too hard to ignore. However, he prove himself in the last 2 years with his captaincy whenever he got the chance and now is rightfully appointed captain.

Also - not sure why the management wanted a continuation of Misbah's policies when it is clear to everyone (including you yourself in this post) that he was a lackluster captain outside of his comfort zone in Asian Test matches and did little to develop talent during his reign. It makes Azhar's selection all more baffling...

Also - I firmly believe that had Maqsood not turned into a hack and displayed a lazy attitude - he could have been appointed ODI captain. He had the necessary skills - ability to bat under pressure according to ODI standards (atleast back in 2013/14) and was well educated with an MBA.

Wahab could also have been a decent captain...
 
Azhar Ali has defensive mindset like his mentor Misbah. he was appointed captain because he was a mediocre player and a yes man who would willingly do whatever PCB demanded. No "attitude" wala acha bacha.
 
I think, only reason for bringing Azhar was the lack of understanding from PCB, regarding the top order batting role in modern game. Azhar is a fantastic ODI opener, in the strategy of ODI game, that's been obsolete since 1996 WC. For a fragile batting line up like PAK, a player with 50/70 stats is an ATG, in ODI cricket, where playing out 50 overs often gave more than 50% chance of winning.

Sadly, Azhar was made Captain as well & he tried to stay in the game (ODI), out of his batting core, which resulted in to almost tail-ender like stats in his last few matches & a gradual decline of his once mighty impressive average.

If Azhar is brought back as a player only in CT, I am sure he'll bat better than his last few matches, but that still might not be sufficient enough. He should retire from ODI game & focus entirely on Test as opener - can finish career with close to 10K runs at around 48 or more.
 
I think, only reason for bringing Azhar was the lack of understanding from PCB, regarding the top order batting role in modern game. Azhar is a fantastic ODI opener, in the strategy of ODI game, that's been obsolete since 1996 WC. For a fragile batting line up like PAK, a player with 50/70 stats is an ATG, in ODI cricket, where playing out 50 overs often gave more than 50% chance of winning.

Sadly, Azhar was made Captain as well & he tried to stay in the game (ODI), out of his batting core, which resulted in to almost tail-ender like stats in his last few matches & a gradual decline of his once mighty impressive average.

If Azhar is brought back as a player only in CT, I am sure he'll bat better than his last few matches, but that still might not be sufficient enough. He should retire from ODI game & focus entirely on Test as opener - can finish career with close to 10K runs at around 48 or more.

There was a lack of pretty much everything. Most of all the ability to learn from one's mistakes. The biggest travesty was that Azhar was not pushed into retiring from the captaincy once it became clear even to the PCB that he needed to go.
 
Azhar Ali is a limited batsman like pujara and should never havre been added to limited overs side let alone be captain
But Haroon Rasheed loves to make such blunders
 
There was a lack of pretty much everything. Most of all the ability to learn from one's mistakes. The biggest travesty was that Azhar was not pushed into retiring from the captaincy once it became clear even to the PCB that he needed to go.

His prolonged Captaincy was only because of vaunted ego of PCB high officials - they appointed a Captain from out of no where (apparently recommended by the out going Captain & Coach - either way, that doesn't make sense), and immediately found that they made a blunder. It's not that Azhar was given time to learn, rather people appointing him desperately hoped that he'll do something to save their face, which unfortunately didn't happen in 2 years & that MCG win under MoHa actually was final nail - Azhar did well to step down before being sacked, otherwise he did carry on after that ENG series.

I don't have any other explanation of carrying a Captain for 2 years, who conceded bonus point all 3 times in Mirpur, then saved once by rain against ZIMboks & ended 1-1 against same ZIMboks, before Sarfraz took charge in the decider.
 
Good post but a few things I want to point out.

First of all - Hafeez resigned from the T20 captaincy himself after the 2014 T20 WC rather than be sacked. It is a mute point but since he was not sacked - the management could have gone back to him for the captaincy of the ODI team. However, I firmly the reason for him not being appointed captain was his mysterious "injury" right before the 2015 WC where Hafeez himself was reported to be crying about. Although he may have been nursing a minor injury himself - I think he had a falling out with Waqar or argument and was prompty sent home.

I know, but that was the usual drama by Hafeez to make himself look like a saint. Handing in your resignation when you know that you are going to be booted out the next day is not resignation in my opinion. He knew he was going to get sacked for failing to take the team to the WT20 semifinals twice. His 'resignation' was no different to Azhar's after the Australian ODI series.
Also - not sure why Sarfraz's character is anything different than Misbah or Azhar's :13: He seems to be clean and honest based on what we have seen. If anything - he was not appointed captain at the time since he was new to ODI cricket himself. He returned to the ODI team during the Australia ODI series in 2014 and did not play in the 2015 WC until Nasir and YK's failures became too hard to ignore. However, he prove himself in the last 2 years with his captaincy whenever he got the chance and now is rightfully appointed captain.

By character, I mean in terms of personality on the field. Sarfraz is a chirpy and aggressive cricketer compared to Misbah and Azhar.
Also - not sure why the management wanted a continuation of Misbah's policies when it is clear to everyone (including you yourself in this post) that he was a lackluster captain outside of his comfort zone in Asian Test matches and did little to develop talent during his reign. It makes Azhar's selection all more baffling...

Which is quite baffling. In spite of our years of mediocrity, there was never any real pressure on Misbah as ODI captain barring the last few months before the World Cup where his form was poor and there were whispers that Afridi might lead the team. As I said earlier, only in Pakistan would a captain hold onto his job after so many humiliating defeats. Had Misbah not retired after the World Cup, he would still be leading the team.
Also - I firmly believe that had Maqsood not turned into a hack and displayed a lazy attitude - he could have been appointed ODI captain. He had the necessary skills - ability to bat under pressure according to ODI standards (atleast back in 2013/14) and was well educated with an MBA.

Wahab could also have been a decent captain...

Maqsood, Umar and Shehzad all had a realistic chance. They were given enough opportunities to stake a claim but faltered due to numerous reasons.
 
I know, but that was the usual drama by Hafeez to make himself look like a saint. Handing in your resignation when you know that you are going to be booted out the next day is not resignation in my opinion. He knew he was going to get sacked for failing to take the team to the WT20 semifinals twice. His 'resignation' was no different to Azhar's after the Australian ODI series.


By character, I mean in terms of personality on the field. Sarfraz is a chirpy and aggressive cricketer compared to Misbah and Azhar.


Which is quite baffling. In spite of our years of mediocrity, there was never any real pressure on Misbah as ODI captain barring the last few months before the World Cup where his form was poor and there were whispers that Afridi might lead the team. As I said earlier, only in Pakistan would a captain hold onto his job after so many humiliating defeats. Had Misbah not retired after the World Cup, he would still be leading the team.


Maqsood, Umar and Shehzad all had a realistic chance. They were given enough opportunities to stake a claim but faltered due to numerous reasons.

We made the semi final in 2012
 
He was brought into the team after the World Cup because the PCB wanted an anchor after the retirement of Misbah. In addition, they were looking for someone to lead the ODI and Test side for the next 6-7 years. When you consider the candidates, it was obvious that he didn't have much competition. PCB could not give captaincy to a young player with little experience, and the likes of Hafeez and Malik were not in contention because the former was sacked as T20I captain in 2014 and Malik was not in the plans of the selectors at that point. Fawad had decent experience, but he never managed to convince the PCB that he was a long-term option.

In addition, the likes of Umar and Shehzad had enough experience, considering the fact that they were given enough opportunities from 2009, but they didn't do themselves any favors with their attitude and performance. Shehzad tossed his T20I captaincy into the fire after he reminded Dilshan of the fire in Hell. Until that point, he was a serious candidate. Haris wasn't an option either because he cemented his place only one series before the World Cup and he was yet to break into the Test team. That left PCB with three options only: Azhar, Shafiq and Sarfraz. Azhar beat Shafiq because he was a better player, and he edged Sarfraz because his character and personality were more in-line with Misbah's, and PCB wanted continuity - they wanted him to pick from where Misbah left.

Two years later, two things became clear: 1) a fish cannot learn to climb a tree no matter how hard it works 2) it is an unlucky fish that lost out due to circumstances beyond its control. More than due to the inability to climb the tree, it suffered because it was in the wrong place at the wrong time unlike Misbah.

Azhar tried hard to adapt to the ODI game, but he simply did not have the range shots and ability to rate the strike to maintain a SR of 90. At his age, it was not possible for him to learn these tricks of the trade. His strength lies in his unflappable temperament and ability to block all day long, while putting away deliveries in his zone. Those qualities have made him a good Test number 3 and a world class Test opener. However, as I said earlier, the biggest cause of his demise was due to factors that were not in his control. I have tremendous respect for Misbah and what he has done for Pakistan cricket, but the fact is that was an awful ODI captain and a mediocre ODI batsman. Apart from beating SL, he lost every single ODI series at home. SA, England, Australia and New Zealand all came to the desert and demolished us. In addition, the 2013 Champions Trophy was a complete disaster. No other serious cricket board will tolerate such humiliation, and a couple of series wins in India and SA along with the Asia Cup is not enough compensation. Misbah was not sacked because unlike Azhar, he already had the leverage of Test captaincy, he was a deaf king among blind batsmen, and he managed to make himself look like a good bowling captain due to his three javelin-throwers in Ajmal, Hafeez and Junaid.

When Azhar inherited Misbah, Ajmal and Hafeez were already caught for their illegal actions while Junaid got away with it, but regressed alarmingly due to his injuries. In addition, he also lost Afridi's bowling. In short, he pretty much lost the bowling attack that carried Misbah's team for years and years. In addition, his runs had little worth due to the emergence of Babar and Sharjeel and the resurgence of Malik. The former made Azhar's strike rate look worse, and the latter showed him (and Misbah) that it is possible to anchor the innings and accumulate runs without bringing the innings to a complete halt. Furthermore, Sarfraz got plenty of games against WI and got himself a winning streak, hence putting additional pressure on Azhar. Put Azhar as batsman and captain in the 2011-2014 team and he will immediately look better. On the contrary, put Misbah in Azhar's team and it won't take more than two series for him to get exposed.

Nonetheless, will all said and done, if Inzi The Revolutionary brings Azhar back for the Champions Trophy, it will rank as one of the worst decisions ever by a CS and should be enough to sack him. It will be massive backwards step.

The days where I find almost every post of Mamoon's spot on.

Great post and agree esp with last paragraph.
 
An experiment gone wrong. Everyone quickly realised he doesn't have the personality of a leader. It happens.
 
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