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Sohail Khan - The potential all-rounder Pakistan needs for the limited-over formats?

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Like many cricketers in the past, yet many from Pakistan i.e Shahid Afridi, Shoaib Mlaik and Abdul Razzak, who started off with their bowling and became bowling all-rounders, whereas Malik came up as a batting all-rounder and now he is just a part time bowler!

The way Sohail Khan Batted in the 4th innings at Edgbaston, I wonder how good of an all-rounder exists in him? The names mentioned above were also potential batters like Sohail, and what they wanted was just a chance. Looking at Sohails technique and Physique, I wonder who would actually argue with me over his all-rounder status. I know some edges flew of his bat but hardly was any of them a risky one, what impressed me the most was the way he was waiting for the bowl, hitting it late and from the middle of the bat.

However, at the same time, there is something ticking me inside, and that's his age, he is 32 and I the question here is that, does he deserve a long stay in cricket or is it just the momentum with him for a few years.

So according to you, should he be given a long stay in LOI cricket or sent back home?
 
Khuda ka khauf karo. Guy averages 10 in domestic LOIs.

Umesh Yadav has a domestic 100, next all rounder for India?
 
there is definite potential there for sohail to have a career as a late middle order batsman who can average 28-30 with the bat
 
When we will prefer pure AR over these wannabe AR?

Sohail isnt even fit for LOIs and i dont wanna see him in LOI squad. Can be tried in T20s, that's it.

We should groom Aamer Yamen, Ammad Butt, Mohammad Nawaz and Hasan Ali.
 
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Not fit enough.

And why would you take this guy over Hammad in LOI's?
 
Sohail has some batting ability but is not a genuine allrounder. We have two very good prospects for LOIs in Nawaz and Imad Wasim. Both are performing well. If both play in an XI we wouldn't need a specialist spinner and can find room to play an extra pacer.
 
And it all starts......

AGAIN

The way Sohail Khan Batted in the 4th innings at Edgbaston, I wonder how good of an all-rounder exists in him?

lol....no.

Have you watched Zaheer Khan bat when he first came onto the scene?

Was literally 20X better than Sohail. Clean striker of the ball and loved to smash. Had a decent defense too.

Now that his career has ended, look at him.

Now scale back to Sohail and you will have your answer.
 
Please look for a proper all rounder and lets not get into this potential all rounders we have suffered enough due to these potential players who are blessed in all facets of the game.
 
there is definite potential there for sohail to have a career as a late middle order batsman who can average 28-30 with the bat

Sorry but You must be havin a laugh.


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What?

For all the ridiculous threads, and trust me they've been many on here, this is up there with Wahab - the next best all-rounder thread not so long ago.

Might as well include Rahat in the argument too then :facepalm:
 
I think the op took saj's tweet seriously about sohail and sami Aslam as future openers!


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When we will prefer pure AR over these wannabe AR?

Sohail isnt even fit for LOIs and i dont wanna see him in LOI squad. Can be tried in T20s, that's it.

We should groom Aamer Yamen, Ammad Butt, Mohammad Nawaz.

Are there any proper all-rounders?

At the moment, he can claim a strong position in the loi squad looking at his abilities...the ones mentioned are either good bowlers or batters, Sohail definitely has the potential in him and i want the team to utilize it.

Afridi was one of the worst players we ever had but still I think he made a permanent place for himself in the team which can now only be handed over to a bowling all-rounder and unfortunately we don't have any options other than a few and hopefully he can fill up the place at no.8 somewhere in LOI's....however if Aamir Yamin does bowl as good as him and take crucial wickets at crucial times then he definitely is the better one.

Ammad butt is a different topic, hopefully he'll serve Pakistan for long time with good performances up the order, he is not a no.7,8 batter at all
 
There is no place for a 30+ year old bowler in LOIs.

Plan for the next WC and play people who are in their 20s.
 
If he was a genuine allrounder,his innings yesterday wouldn't have been 36(37)...it would have been 12(70)
 
This kind of threads can be only found on PP.

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Lol I would criticize Sohail' technique but there is none:))

honestly he should play ODIs, good LOI bowler, will love English conditions! But as far as his batting goes he's a good #8 or #9 who will end up coming near the end and slog a few, maybe score a quick 15 off 6 or something.
 
I saw him score a 50 of 16 odd balls in a televised match with 4 gigantic sixes and 3 went out of the park.

Recently He made a 140* in QEA Trophy Grade 2. It was an innings which knocked out the best team Sialkot out of the tournament.


He is not a genuine allrounder but better batsman than Wahab & Anwar Ali.


But the main Problem is his Age, Fitness. Not 100 % sure but He is flat footed. 2-3 stress fractures of Back and his body gets really stiff after first spell. Naturally Sohail Khan has poor fitness like Danish Kaneria and Mohammad Irfan and he will be very difficult to hide in field in Odi Cricket.


His Temperament & Skillset as a Pacer is far better than Rahat, Imran & Ehsan but His fitness is very very poor which is not in his hand and he cannot improve.


He cannot play next World Cup so he should focus on PSL & T20 leagues world over.



Those who are making fun of his batting abilities do not know much about him. In last 3 years he has improved his batting by 3 folds.

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I saw him score a 50 of 16 odd balls in a televised match with 4 gigantic sixes and 3 went out of the park.

Recently He made a 140* in QEA Trophy Grade 2. It was an innings which knocked out the best team Sialkot out of the tournament.


He is not a genuine allrounder but better batsman than Wahab & Anwar Ali.


But the main Problem is his Age, Fitness. Not 100 % sure but He is flat footed. 2-3 stress fractures of Back and his body gets really stiff after first spell. Naturally Sohail Khan has poor fitness like Danish Kaneria and Mohammad Irfan and he will be very difficult to hide in field in Odi Cricket.


His Temperament & Skillset as a Pacer is far better than Rahat, Imran & Ehsan but His fitness is very very poor which is not in his hand and he cannot improve.


He cannot play next World Cup so he should focus on PSL & T20 leagues world over.



Those who are making fun of his batting abilities do not know much about him. In last 3 years he has improved his batting by 3 folds.


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NICE POST, it actually elaborates my points statistically!

the main problem is his age and he can hardly play international cricket for four more years, but one can change it if he wants to I suppose, unfortunately this is the only problem I'm unsatisfied with. As far as his fitness is concerned, I thought Shoaib Akhter had the same physique and so I trust him.
 
NICE POST, it actually elaborates my points statistically!

the main problem is his age and he can hardly play international cricket for four more years, but one can change it if he wants to I suppose, unfortunately this is the only problem I'm unsatisfied with. As far as his fitness is concerned, I thought Shoaib Akhter had the same physique and so I trust him.
Shoaib Akhtar's body used to get less Stiff compared to Irfan and Sohail.

Shoaib did not have 2-3 Stress Fractures of Back. Until the Age of 35-36 He used to bowl few deliveries at at 150 kph.


WC is after 3 years not 4 years. Sohail will be officially 35 while unofficially He will be 37 to 40. He cannot make it and won't make it. His fitness cannot improve.

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Khuda ka khauf karo. Guy averages 10 in domestic LOIs.

Umesh Yadav has a domestic 100, next all rounder for India?

A klutz being drummed up as a potential AR :uakmal

And it all starts......

AGAIN



lol....no.

Have you watched Zaheer Khan bat when he first came onto the scene?

Was literally 20X better than Sohail. Clean striker of the ball and loved to smash. Had a decent defense too.

Now that his career has ended, look at him.

Now scale back to Sohail and you will have your answer.

This kind of threads can be only found on PP.

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LOL is all I could say for these posts!

When younis, shafiq, azhar, sami...everyone fails yet again but the man Sohail scores, YET AGAIN.
 
LOL is all I could say for these posts!

Ye old habit of jumping to conclusions after a purple patch. We seen what happened with a good number of hyped people.

Come one good series, and the support will rise to gigantic proportions. And if the fellow is a pacer.. Behold the junoon and jazba.
 
LOL is all I could say for these posts!

When younis, shafiq, azhar, sami...everyone fails yet again but the man Sohail scores, YET AGAIN.

Weren't you the one who quoted me several months back about a Shoaib Malik comment on mine where I said he would click against spinners and flop against pacers and the same thing happ in England?

Sohail Khan is a good hitter it seems but hitting ability alone doesn't make up an AR.

You need temperament and game awareness skills.

Let's see if he has that and can continue for long. What little I saw of him, he comes across as a slogger and mind you, I was fooled by such batting when it came to Bhajji, Zaheer.

Zaheer never amounted to much with the bat. Bhajji never became an AR in test or ODI though he could knock some blows and has even won us some games with his hitting ability but just was unpredictable. In IPL though, his batting has been clutch down the order.

If Sohail does well, good for Pakistan and cricket in general too.

I highly doubt he would be an AR. But could be a good slogger for Pakistan and that has its value.
 
He played a useful knock but still a tailenders for me, his technique is not like a proper batsman or an allrounder. A good tailender batsman, if there is such a thing.
 
He may be a tailender and may not have a great record but he is beginning to look better than some of our specialist batsmen. Most importantly he doesn't embarrass us as some other of our tailenders do like Rahat, Irfan, and omg Imran!
 
His First class and List A batting stats are bad and usually those numbers indicate core potential.

He improved his batting in last 2 years or so...
Scored 142 & 87 in the Grade 2 final this year against a very good Sialkot side when Asad, Sarfraz, Khurram, Khalid all failed in that game... Also scored a 16 ball 50 (?) in Pakistan Cup against a bowling attack of Junnaid, Yasir and Asghar...
He looks very competent with the bat these days, don't think you watched him bat in this series.
 
He improved his batting in last 2 years or so...
Scored 142 & 87 in the Grade 2 final this year against a very good Sialkot side when Asad, Sarfraz, Khurram, Khalid all failed in that game... Also scored a 16 ball 50 (?) in Pakistan Cup against a bowling attack of Junnaid, Yasir and Asghar...
He looks very competent with the bat these days, don't think you watched him bat in this series.

That's good.

No I didn't which is why I mentioned about the past when I saw him bat.

What's his average in the last 2 years in List A and First class?
 
He played a useful knock but still a tailenders for me, his technique is not like a proper batsman or an allrounder. A good tailender batsman, if there is such a thing.

Out-batted 'proper' batsmen like Azhar, Asad and YK in this series. I would take a guy who 'looks' like a tailender but still scores runs over people who look like batsmen but play like tailenders.
 
He is a good slogger as I said earlier, but you need such sloggers down the order , they add important runs.
 
That's good.

No I didn't which is why I mentioned about the past when I saw him bat.

What's his average in the last 2 years in List A and First class?

Dont know about that but Grade 2 is not FC actually lol.

But he has improved quiet a lot in last few years, he himself says that when he was young he thought cricket is all about bowling Fast (Was known as Karachi ka Shoaib Akhter) but then he says, he realized that he needs to work on his all round game as well and learnt the skill of swinging the ball coventionally...
He should never be considered as an all rounder but he can be a very handy lower order batsman that we desperately needs as our tail is beyond pathetic
 
Out-batted 'proper' batsmen like Azhar, Asad and YK in this series. I would take a guy who 'looks' like a tailender but still scores runs over people who look like batsmen but play like tailenders.

Agree, much better batsman than YK.
 
The difference between him and other tailenders is that he doesn't shy away from going for the big hits. If other tailenders try to hit big, rather than doing tuk tuk, then our tail will contribute to the score, and will wag.
 
Weren't you the one who quoted me several months back about a Shoaib Malik comment on mine where I said he would click against spinners and flop against pacers and the same thing happ in England?

Sohail Khan is a good hitter it seems but hitting ability alone doesn't make up an AR.

You need temperament and game awareness skills.

Let's see if he has that and can continue for long. What little I saw of him, he comes across as a slogger and mind you, I was fooled by such batting when it came to Bhajji, Zaheer.

Zaheer never amounted to much with the bat. Bhajji never became an AR in test or ODI though he could knock some blows and has even won us some games with his hitting ability but just was unpredictable. In IPL though, his batting has been clutch down the order.

If Sohail does well, good for Pakistan and cricket in general too.

I highly doubt he would be an AR. But could be a good slogger for Pakistan and that has its value.

Don't think so cuz I know his inability to hit...

What I said about Sohail was that he can become an all rounder like Adul razzaq down the order...he's been quite consistent in the tests in the recent past.
 
Weren't you the one who quoted me several months back about a Shoaib Malik comment on mine where I said he would click against spinners and flop against pacers and the same thing happ in England?

Sohail Khan is a good hitter it seems but hitting ability alone doesn't make up an AR.

You need temperament and game awareness skills.

Let's see if he has that and can continue for long. What little I saw of him, he comes across as a slogger and mind you, I was fooled by such batting when it came to Bhajji, Zaheer.

Zaheer never amounted to much with the bat. Bhajji never became an AR in test or ODI though he could knock some blows and has even won us some games with his hitting ability but just was unpredictable. In IPL though, his batting has been clutch down the order.

If Sohail does well, good for Pakistan and cricket in general too.

I highly doubt he would be an AR. But could be a good slogger for Pakistan and that has its value.

You're right.

However you have to understand that these people would usually be in denial to your argument .

Pak hasn't seen such a slogger at the tail who can regularly add 30s at the end. So when we see someone doing that the reaction is FOUND AN ALLROUNDER!

He can try and improve this area but he isn't an AR yet.
 
Don't think so cuz I know his inability to hit...

What I said about Sohail was that he can become an all rounder like Adul razzaq down the order...he's been quite consistent in the tests in the recent past.


It's abit unfair compairing him to Pakistan's 2nd best seam up allrounder ever.
 
Don't think so cuz I know his inability to hit...

What I said about Sohail was that he can become an all rounder like Adul razzaq down the order...he's been quite consistent in the tests in the recent past.

Ok...probably not you. I think our discussion was about him not scoring against good bowling attacks and not about pace/spin attack.

It will be interesting to see Sohail's progress. Abdul Razzaq may be too high a bar imho.
 
Sohail khan is currently pakistan's best batsmen

First time coming here and he is destroying nz world class bowling attack on seaming pitches.
Almost as a lone ranger,just have babar who gives him some support.
And no one swing the bat more than him.
 
Oh dear lord...this is a disease....PP back to the other end of the spectrum.

Its either boom or bust around here.

Sohail Khan is indeed the best batsman for now. Tomorrow, I predict Wahab to be the best batsman.
 
I do not consider anybody an all-rounder unless they are good enough to bat in top 7.

People like Sohail Khan, Wahab Riaz, Anwar Ali, etc are not all-rounders. They are tailenders who can bat a bit.
Guys like Razzaq, Mahmood, Afridi, etc. were all-rounders.
 
I do not consider anybody an all-rounder unless they are good enough to bat in top 7.

People like Sohail Khan, Wahab Riaz, Anwar Ali, etc are not all-rounders. They are tailenders who can bat a bit.
Guys like Razzaq, Mahmood, Afridi, etc. were all-rounders.

did you say afridi??? 2 decades later, i still don't want to believe this.
 
It's abit unfair compairing him to Pakistan's 2nd best seam up allrounder ever.

Ok...probably not you. I think our discussion was about him not scoring against good bowling attacks and not about pace/spin attack.

It will be interesting to see Sohail's progress. Abdul Razzaq may be too high a bar imho.

He'll never reach the heights of Razzaq, given his age, but after the failures of Hammad, Bhatti etc, he can be a good choice at least till the 2019 WC

As far as Malik's case is concerned, he can hit against good sides but only in ASIA...
 
Sohail Khan isn't an all rounder by any stretch of imagination. With age not in his side, first it should be decided whether he is a realistic option for WC 2019.
 
He'll never reach the heights of Razzaq, given his age, but after the failures of Hammad, Bhatti etc, he can be a good choice at least till the 2019 WC

As far as Malik's case is concerned, he can hit against good sides but only in ASIA...


His fitness in next 7 months will tell whether He will play 2019 World Cup or not.


Needs to improve his fitness further and quite abit otherwise it will be curtains soon.
 
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Just look at this, when I said Sohail can be an all rounder, they bashed me like no tomorrow.
But when Amir scored, someone came up with the thread of Amir being a potential allrounder.
Double Standards.
 
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Just look at this, when I said Sohail can be an all rounder, they bashed me like no tomorrow.
But when Amir scored, someone came up with the thread of Amir being a potential allrounder.
Double Standards.


You were right wrt his batting capabilities.



I became fan of his " daleri " and allrounder germs 3 years ago when he stroked a 50 of 18 or 20 balls in a live telecasted match of Ramzan Cricket. He hit huge sixes and we're slogs.

That's when he had just developed his batting.


Fitness isn't on his side. He missed a memorable MCG Test hundred due to laboured running which was the result of stiffness.
 
I am sorry. Age catching up.

Sohail's batting, yorkers, slower bouncers tell me that if any Int Cricket is left in him than that is Odi and Odi cricket only.


Wrt Test or T20 cricket it's probably over.

If in last test its seamers friendly wicket he may succeed but than we have all of 7 tests in 2017 on dead flat wickets so he won't be able to average under 30 against weak teams due to speed, fitness, age.


He is no Asif, McGrath or Philander so on batting surfaces against top 4 Test batting line ups he would average 35, 40 at best which isn't acceptable.


Still I have no complain from Sohail. He is a Sher. Gives it his all. Love his attitude. Wears green flag on his heart. Loved his fivefers.

Proud of you Sohail Khan.
 
Wahab bowled worse than him.

The main reason why I say that about Sohail is that he looked terrible in his latter spells, as was feared. Arthur has said he was expecting a better effort but he was just bowling pies in 120s.

Wahab and Amir were still bowling at good pace and troubling the batsmen at times. Wahab's bowling has been fine after Day 3 I reckon.
 
The main reason why I say that about Sohail is that he looked terrible in his latter spells, as was feared. Arthur has said he was expecting a better effort but he was just bowling pies in 120s.

Wahab and Amir were still bowling at good pace and troubling the batsmen at times. Wahab's bowling has been fine after Day 3 I reckon.

Yeah. Don't see Sohail being in the Test team after this tour anyway. He should be in LOIs though.
 
Sohail Khan ... the No.8 Medium Pace Bowling All-Rounder We Need.

Lots of people are against Sohail due to his age + fitness issues but in my opinion in LOIs he can be the perfect #8 for us. As his batting in the test series against Aussies showed, he can strike them big and in LOIs he has shown the knack to take wickets. Having him at 8 in ODIs/T20s will give us 10 overs of Sohail where he can take 2-3 wickets at ECO of 5.5 and add quick 20-30 runs with the bat making him very valuable.

He can serve us in LOIs for next 2-3 years till we unearth a genuinely talented fast bowling all-rounder. Current reserves compared to Sohail like Aamir Yamin, Anwar Ali, Hammad Azam etc. are simply not good enough bowlers to warrant selection.

Sohail is the best wicket taker of the bunch and can give us similar output with the bat as the aforementioned candidates would.

It would be a mistake to discard Sohail in my opinion. He can be very valuable for us at 8 and give our bowling attack wicket taking ability in the middle overs beyond the opening 10 over spell of Amir & Junaid.

Discuss.
 
He'll be another liability in the field. We cant afford that anymore.
 
Rubbish bowler.

Doesn't have the pace to trouble any half decent batsman and not to mention his atrocious fitness levels.
 
i would take him just for the champions trophy.
will bowl well in england with a new white ball and is a good death bowler.

he can bowl 6 out of the first 15 overs. them he can gi off the field for 15 overs. come back at the 30 over mark and bowl his 4 at the death.
would seriously consider him for CT.
him and aamir could be deadly in the 10.30am starts
 
Afridi, Razzaq, Malik all started in their teen's or their early 20's

Sohail Khan is in his 30's, if he had 'batting potential' it would've been identified by now

fans are as oblivious as selectors if they are calling a guy with a average of 14 in first class an 'all-rounder'
 
Fitness is a big problem.

And now he's 34 it's probably too late for him in this format.
 
Little pace - not enough to trouble the batsman even early on. To add to that, his seam movement will be of no use as most pitches are flat these days. Not to forget, he is a huge liability in the field and we cannot afford that. Safe to say his career should be over now.
 
Afridi, Razzaq, Malik all started in their teen's or their early 20's

Sohail Khan is in his 30's, if he had 'batting potential' it would've been identified by now

fans are as oblivious as selectors if they are calling a guy with a average of 14 in first class an 'all-rounder'
It has actually been identified by now
Fitness is a big problem.

And now he's 34 it's probably too late for him in this format.
which youngster doesn't have the fitness problem, he's a good addition till we find another one ...
 
It has actually been identified by now

which youngster doesn't have the fitness problem, he's a good addition till we find another one ...

Not for a fast bowler. A spinner or a talented batsman can get away with average fitness but Not a fast bowler especially these days with so much cricket.

He prioritised too much on bodybuilding and six pack instead of running. His fault entirely.
 
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His remaining gas should only be utilised in Odi format.

Otherwise He should not be selected for Tests or Odi's from now on.


He has worked very very hard on his fitness but he is naturally flat footed and has poor back with 2,3 major injuries history. Age is also not on his side.
 
I don't mind him being selected in Odis but just to be clear he's not an all rounder. He's hit and miss with the bat. He's decent with the new ball and I don't understand why Wahab, Rahat, and Irfan have been selected ahead of him in Odis.
 
I think the ship has sailed for Sohail. His fitness is just not good enough for an international pacer.

Even if he plays ODIs only, there'll still be questions over whether he can get through a whole series and bowl with the required intensity.
 
Not for a fast bowler. A spinner or a talented batsman can get away with average fitness but Not a fast bowler especially these days with so much cricket.

He prioritised too much on bodybuilding and six pack instead of running. His fault entirely.

I think the ship has sailed for Sohail. His fitness is just not good enough for an international pacer.

Even if he plays ODIs only, there'll still be questions over whether he can get through a whole series and bowl with the required intensity.
If he can play a 5 day long test with constant pace (looking at recent times since he didn't lost his pace at the end) than he can definitely be part of CT17 and T-20 WC 2018
I don't mind him being selected in Odis but just to be clear he's not an all rounder. He's hit and miss with the bat. He's decent with the new ball and I don't understand why Wahab, Rahat, and Irfan have been selected ahead of him in Odis.

a 1000 times better hit and miss than the so-called all rounder Mr.Shahid Afridi
 
what a run of games he is having in PSL this time around
he has become the leading wicket taker now
 
Rubbish bowling at the death. He's so old and unfit he couldn't bowl a single yorker at death.
 
He should be in the ODI team. He literally is a one spell bowler. he'll bowl beautifully for his first spell, which means he can easily play ODIs. Plus his batting is actually useful, having him at 8 to end with some fireworks will definitely help.
 
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