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Sourav Ganguly the ODI batsman - Where do you rate him?

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I think Ganguly is easily the most under-rated Odi Cricketer of All times. He was a champion batsman , an above average part-time bowler plus an excellent Captain ( Arguably the best from India ), inspite of that he never gets the credit for what he has done.

Talking about his batting exploits in the Odis, he was one of the Best Batsmen in the 90s and at one point of time was giving SRT a stiff competition for the title of Number 1 Odi batsman.

As far as stats are concerned, he scored over 11k runs in 300+ matches , mainly playing as an opener scoring 22 Centuries at a S/r of 74 and an average of 42 in an era of Good fast bowlers plus bowler friendly pitches i:e 90-2007 ( when no T20s existed )

So where would you rate SG as an Odi batsman ?

Imo, he is the 2nd Best Odi batsman from India after SRT , among Top 5 Odi batsmen from Asia and among Top 10 Odi batsmen of All times.

Your thoughts ?
 
I have heard that he formed a good opening pair with Tendu, apart from that I never saw him doing anything significant. Dont even remember any good knocks by him tbh.
 
Yup Top 10 ODI batsman of all time and 3rd best Left Handed ODI batsman after Bevan and Hayden
 
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Ganguly > Hayden any day as far as ODI cricket is concerned.

IMO India's best ODI batsman after Tendulkar and Dhoni.
 
For ODIs, I will rank him the 3rd best batsman from subcontinent after Tendu and Dhoni.
 
As far as sub continent goes, Zaheer Abbas can stake a claim ahead of Ganguly.

An average of 47 and strike rate of 85 is remarkable in any era let alone in the 70's and 80's. The major question mark there is the fact that he played around 60 ODIs compared to Ganguly who had 300+.

That average and strike rate don't seem sustainable after that many matches.
 
There have been some decent Left handed batsmen in ODIs and some greats like Anwar, Jayasuriya, Gilchrist, G Smith, Kirsten, Fleming. Some of them were feared by opposition more than Ganguly but Ganguly was more effective and better run scorer than all of them..
 
How is Dhoni already better than Saurav ? We have to keep in mind the difference between the eras in which they played.

Do you guys think that Dhoni with his Sadakchap technique could have opened against Wasim/Waqar/Ambrose/Walsh/Mc Grath/Bond/Donald/Pollock/Vaas in the 90s and average 42 ? We all have seen where he stands in Test Cricket and his average is highly inflated with not outs .

Even someone like Misbah can average 45 in the Odis in todays era with the help of not outs.
 
Ganguly in the late 90s and early 2000s was a very fearful batsman.

Him, Jayasuria, Anwar and Tendulkar (when he was aggressive like Sehwag in the late 90's) were really at the top in that era.

Brian Lara has always been a second rate ODI batsman barring a couple of strong years.
 
Electron said:
For ODIs, I will rank him the 3rd best batsman from subcontinent after Tendu and Dhoni.
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How I see it

1) SRT
2) MS Dhoni
3) Saeed Anwar
4) Saurav Ganguly
5) Javed Miandad
6) Yuvi
7) Azharuddin
8) Inzy
9) Ijaz Ahmed
10) MoYo

(not incl. Zaheer Abbas, who's highly rated but sample too small, whereas Kohli will have to wait for more years).

I'd put Anwar slightly ahead of Ganguly because he principally shined during the more competitive 90s, the only Asian bat, with Tendulkar, to maintain an average of +40 @ SR +80 throughout the decade.
Javed Miandad defo. has its place in the top 5, only three batsmen had 5000 runs during the 80s, JM being one of them @ average of +45 (impressive even by today's standards) and SR of 70 (which looks pale next to his WI contemporary, Viv, but then what doesn't.)
 
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King Cobra said:
How is Dhoni already better than Saurav ? We have to keep in mind the difference between the eras in which they played.

Do you guys think that Dhoni with his Sadakchap technique could have opened against Wasim/Waqar/Ambrose/Walsh/Mc Grath/Bond/Donald/Pollock/Vaas in the 90s and average 42 ? We all have seen where he stands in Test Cricket and his average is highly inflated with not outs .

Even someone like Misbah can average 45 in the Odis in todays era with the help of not outs.
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True but neither Misbah nor Ganguly could play the finisher like DHONI

Do you expect 2011 final or recent Triseries final or uncountable amounts of finishes provided by Dhoni from both??
 
King Cobra said:
How is Dhoni already better than Saurav ? We have to keep in mind the difference between the eras in which they played.

Do you guys think that Dhoni with his Sadakchap technique could have opened against Wasim/Waqar/Ambrose/Walsh/Mc Grath/Bond/Donald/Pollock/Vaas in the 90s and average 42 ? We all have seen where he stands in Test Cricket and his average is highly inflated with not outs .

Even someone like Misbah can average 45 in the Odis in todays era with the help of not outs.
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Dhoni is not an opener so arguing over whether he would have survived against the bowlers you mentioned with the new ball is absurd.

For me he is in the top 3 ODI batsmen of all time without a doubt and I firmly believe he would have done what he does in any era.

his technique is tailor made for middle and lower order and I don't see the likes of Wasim, Waqar, Pollock, Donald, Vaas etc having much success against him at the death overs where he excels at.

Malinga is a better death bowler than Vaas and I've lost count on the number of times he has thwarted Malinga.

Waqar prior to his back injury could have dominated him with his banana yorkers, but the not the waqar post injury. He lost that zip although was still a fantastic bowler.
 
akheR said:
How I see it

1) SRT
2) MS Dhoni
3) Saeed Anwar
4) Saurav Ganguly
5) Javed Miandad
6) Yuvi
7) Azharuddin
8) Inzy
9) Ijaz Ahmed
10) MoYo

(not incl. Zaheer Abbas, who's highly rated but sample too small, whereas Kohli will have to wait for more years).

I'd put Anwar slightly ahead of Ganguly because he principally shined during the more competitive 90s, the only Asian bat, with Tendulkar, to maintain an average of +40 @ SR +80 throughout the decade.
Javed Miandad defo. has its place in the top 5, only three batsmen had 5000 runs during the 80s, JM being one of them @ average of +45 (impressive even by today's standards) and SR of 70 (which looks pale next to his WI contemporary, Viv, but then what doesn't.)
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I'll swap Inzi and Yuvi .. and my no. 9 would be different
 
Robbie said:
True but neither Misbah nor Ganguly could play the finisher like DHONI

Do you expect 2011 final or recent Triseries final or uncountable amounts of finishes provided by Dhoni from both??
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With a Set Gambhir on other side, it was no big task.

India didnt need 8 rpo at that time, just 150 runs under a little below 6 with 7 wickets in hand.
 
TM Riddle said:
No that will be Saeed Anwar . Ganguli became a mediocre batsman after he was given captaincy
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Dude, i think you haven't seen Anwar playing but only looked at his overall record or got carried by how highly he is generally rated on this forum. Do you know how terrible failure he was when playing outside subcontinent in counties like Aus, Eng, NZ ?? In 60-65 matches he played in those countries, he was no better than Mohammad Hafeez with 4-5 fifties and an overage of 23. He was a massive player in subcontinent but a very average one on bowler friendly pitches.
 
Robbie said:
I'll swap Inzi and Yuvi .. and my no. 9 would be different
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swap inzi and yuvi but while you are at it, could you please remove that traitor Azharudin. As good a batsman as he looked, he didn't win India too many matches but surely lost many.
 
akheR said:
How I see it

1) SRT
2) MS Dhoni
3) Saeed Anwar
4) Saurav Ganguly
5) Javed Miandad
6) Yuvi
7) Azharuddin
8) Inzy
9) Ijaz Ahmed
10) MoYo

(not incl. Zaheer Abbas, who's highly rated but sample too small, whereas Kohli will have to wait for more years).

I'd put Anwar slightly ahead of Ganguly because he principally shined during the more competitive 90s, the only Asian bat, with Tendulkar, to maintain an average of +40 @ SR +80 throughout the decade.
Javed Miandad defo. has its place in the top 5, only three batsmen had 5000 runs during the 80s, JM being one of them @ average of +45 (impressive even by today's standards) and SR of 70 (which looks pale next to his WI contemporary, Viv, but then what doesn't.)
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i would let Miandad have the 3rd position, followed by Yuvi, Inzimam, Ganguly and Anwar in that order.
 
1999, 2000 .... these 2 years were the best of Ganguly's ODI career. This was when he gave Sachin fierce competition for the tag of the best ODI batsman in the world. And Ganguly was the only person who could challenge Sachin for that tag back then (just for 2 years, but still so).
 
SRT
Zaheer
Anwar
Inzi
Miandad
Ganguly
Dhoni
Moyo/Azhar
Yuvi
Misbah
 
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Why are so , sooooo many people missing Sangakara from their List ?

Sanga is already closer to 12 thousand runs. Atleast hes easily better than the likes of Ejaz Ahmed, Misbah, Azhar yet manages to miss out from even the Top 10 Asian bat.

By the time Sanga retires am sure we will be the 2nd highest Odi runs getter from Asia.
 
btw, how could we miss Jayasurya from this list. Lets accept it for good 5-6 years, he was the most dangerous batsman on this planet. In his prime, he was the best batsman of the world, and would score a fifty before one could make his morning tea.

Between 1 Jan 1996 and 31 Dec 2006, he played 281 matches, scored 9700+ runs at an average of 37 with a strike rate of 93 - 22 centuries, 51 fifties in this period. He was a terror.

My list -
SRT
Dhoni
Jayasurya
Miandad
Yuvi
Inzi/Ganguly (esp. with their running and fitness level, they deserve to be clubbed together)
Sehwag
Sangakarra
Anwar
 
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I think most posters are considering only indo-pak top 10 otherwise Sanga, Arvinda and Sanath all are gun batsmen.
 
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1)Zaheer Abbas
2)Tendulkar
3)Miandad
4)Anwar
5)Inzamam
6)Ganguly
7)Sanga
8)De Silva
9)Dhoni
10)Yousuf

11) Sehwag
12) Jayasooriya
13) Mahela
14) Azharrudin
15) Yuvraj
 
Ganguly was a better batsman than anwar.. Provided u do not see their nationality and get biased..
 
On the eyes Anwar looked more elegant than Ganguly..

But Ganguly had a peak time , when he matched :sachin shot for shot , not an easy thing to do.
 
Very good ODI batsman, but I don't rate him at all as a human being so I have very little time for him.
 
hafeezrocks said:
Anwar was arguably the Best Odi batsman in the 90s
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You have to perform against good bowling units to get such tags. In 90s - SA, AUS, WI & Pakistan had strong bowling units. Anwar didn't bring his game against good attacks.

Taken together, Anwar was averaging in mid 20s against Stronger bowling units. Here is the list of batsmen in 90's against SA, AUS, WI & Pak:

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Several names discussed in this thread (Likes of Lara, SRT, Ganguly, Bevan etc) did actually perform against the best bowling units. Anwar did very well against weaker bowling attacks to get good career stats but he was very poor against stronger bowling attacks of 90s to even be a contender.

He was a good batsman and very pleasing to eyes but far from being the best ODI batsman in 90s. Yaah, I have watched his whole career and these stats are just there is put it in perspective.
 
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amlafan79 said:
what wrong did he did to be such a bad human being ?
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Can't speak for James but Ganguly taking his T-shirt off in Eng in response of Flintoff doing the same in India( I think Eng drew a ODI series then) didn't go down well in English circles. Ganguly was not a person who used to hold back - be it gestures or words. He also made Steve Waugh wait for toss couple of times.

Anyway, I personally don't have anything to tag him as a bad human being.


King Cobra said:
How is Dhoni already better than Saurav ?

Do you guys think that Dhoni with his Sadakchap technique could have opened against Wasim/Waqar/Ambrose/Walsh/Mc Grath/Bond/Donald/Pollock/Vaas in the 90s and average 42 ? We all have seen where he stands in Test Cricket and his average is highly inflated with not outs .

Even someone like Misbah can average 45 in the Odis in todays era with the help of not outs.
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Dhoni is not rated due to high average. Trott has a high average but no one takes his name as a contender of top ODI batsman. Dhoni is rated due to arguably being the best finisher in ODI. Even if Dhoni stops playing today, he may go down as the top 5 ODI batsman to play cricket. Technique doesn't matter in ODI that much. Dhoni can consistently deliver and opposition is often on losing side if he bats till the end. I do think that he would have done fine against above mentioned bowlers.

Dhoni is surely a better ODI batsman than Ganguly.
 
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How is Dhoni already better than Saurav ? We have to keep in mind the difference between the eras in which they played.

Do you guys think that Dhoni with his Sadakchap technique could have opened against Wasim/Waqar/Ambrose/Walsh/Mc Grath/Bond/Donald/Pollock/Vaas in the 90s and average 42 ? We all have seen where he stands in Test Cricket and his average is highly inflated with not outs .

Even someone like Misbah can average 45 in the Odis in todays era with the help of not outs.
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Misbah is not another someone, he is one of the best ODI batsman on tricky pitches, recent example is his performance in west indies where pitches were unprepared and only rohit/sanga were the other batsmen who found some degree of success that summer in windies. His performance in SA was also top notch, this stat might give some perspective.
 

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amlafan79 said:
what wrong did he did to be such a bad human being ?
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There are lots of negative stories about him from his time spent in county cricket. Curtness and rudeness, a dressing room cockroach, making dinner plans with Lancashire guys and then when his guest arrives going to sit at a separate table, making young players carry his kit bag, and just generally being a nasty and conceited piece of work. Not to mention most of his statements in the press since have marked him out as arrogant and unlikeable, for example naming himself in his own all-time Indian Test XI ahead of numerous great names just because nobody else puts him in their XI and so he could say he was in it.
 
James said:
There are lots of negative stories about him from his time spent in county cricket. Curtness and rudeness, a dressing room cockroach, making dinner plans with Lancashire guys and then when his guest arrives going to sit at a separate table, making young players carry his kit bag, and just generally being a nasty and conceited piece of work. Not to mention most of his statements in the press since have marked him out as arrogant and unlikeable, for example naming himself in his own all-time Indian Test XI ahead of numerous great names just because nobody else puts him in their XI and so he could say he was in it.
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look i get what you are saying but in sports arrogance is normal and yes he is way too proud some times.
now making others carry you can all think of it as culture of team at that time which i honestly hate and am thankful it no longer happens .

honestly ,when you judge some one form public interviews and how he behaves in competitive environment it does not gives you real picture of a man..

he might be very humble guy with his close friends or people who are around him outside of cricket but when you lead a team and live in such environment i do not think its fair to judge him from that.

still thanks for response ..i was just surprised that you said such a thing ..its your opinion nothing against it but since it was you i wanted to know reason :)
 
amlafan79 said:
look i get what you are saying but in sports arrogance is normal and yes he is way too proud some times.
now making others carry you can all think of it as culture of team at that time which i honestly hate and am thankful it no longer happens .

honestly ,when you judge some one form public interviews and how he behaves in competitive environment it does not gives you real picture of a man..

he might be very humble guy with his close friends or people who are around him outside of cricket but when you lead a team and live in such environment i do not think its fair to judge him from that.

still thanks for response ..i was just surprised that you said such a thing ..its your opinion nothing against it but since it was you i wanted to know reason :)
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That's fair enough, I am happy to share my reasoning behind anything.

If there's one thing that doesn't go down well in an English dressing room it is pointed oblivious arrogance, and really just poor manners (actually that's two things), so he has never been popular over here. Flintoff, an honest bloke and a reliable source, has spoken openly of Ganguly's ignorance around others.

There was also a rather smug and bitter remark Ganguly made about Michael Vaughan (which unlike Michael's banter was not in good humour) amidst India's whitewash by England, which told you even more about the real side of 'Dada' and his complete absence of class.

Basically, then, I don't like him.
 
James said:
That's fair enough, I am happy to share my reasoning behind anything.

If there's one thing that doesn't go down well in an English dressing room it is pointed oblivious arrogance, and really just poor manners (actually that's two things), so he has never been popular over here. Flintoff, an honest bloke and a reliable source, has spoken openly of Ganguly's ignorance around others.

There was also a rather smug and bitter remark Ganguly made about Michael Vaughan (which unlike Michael's banter was not in good humour) amidst India's whitewash by England, which told you even more about the real side of 'Dada' and his complete absence of class.

Basically, then, I don't like him.
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fair enough but i will be honest as indian many of english cricketers come off as both arrogant and some times stupid but i never let me forget that it is just a game and they might be totally different away from media when they are in their private group and no competing .

i can give you examples too but that will be derailing this thread and honestly i don't care much about these things ,,
 
He's right up there with legends.
 

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Probably one of the best batsmen to play the game in ODIs as far as asain batsmen are concerened. Whilst in tests his technic against short ball etc... may have been exposed more. In ODIs he was pretty dynamic and faired pretty well against most sides and most conditions.
 
Behind Sachin, Dhoni, Kapil and Kohli as Indian cricketer..

Yuvi and Sehwag weren't too far.

He won't make it to 10 greatest odi bat without any doubt but should make it to 20 greatest of all time.
 
I think the presence of sachin at his very best throughout the decade kind of takes attention away from what Ganguly actually achieved n that period.

For me, throughout the 90's Ganguly and Sachin where equals when they played. Of course Sachin was better in chases, but people always caredto watch them play almost equally in ODI's. Similar to how Sachin & Sehwag were equally popular in the late 2000's..
 
He has his limitations against short pitch deliveries and tendency to flash and poke outside off stump but his offside play is majestic and his game against spin is also very very good. As a test player he is the weakest of fab four but not a sitting duck in away tours
 
Don't really rate him, he isn't up there, I was an Aussie fan and he fared very poorly against Aussies.
 
Ab Fan said:
Behind Sachin, Dhoni, Kapil and Kohli as Indian cricketer..

Yuvi and Sehwag weren't too far.

He won't make it to 10 greatest odi bat without any doubt but should make it to 20 greatest of all time.
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I dont think I will put him ahead of Yuvi . Also , if given a choice between him and Viru for openers slot how many will pick Ganguly .
 
jusarrived said:
I dont think I will put him ahead of Yuvi . Also , if given a choice between him and Viru for openers slot how many will pick Ganguly .
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Yes but its a bit close between the three. Ganguly and Sehwag were two different kinds of players and its always tough to compare an opener with a middle order like Yuvi. So its tough to make a comparison between them and people can have their own opinion with respect to that.
 
He was the fastest to get 5000, 6000, 7000, 8000 odi runs during his time, taking less matches than Lara, Sachin, Ponting, Gilly and every other odi player of his time.
Now debate and compare him to other
 
Navdeep Srivastava said:
He was the fastest to get 5000, 6000, 7000, 8000 odi runs during his time, taking less matches than Lara, Sachin, Ponting, Gilly and every other odi player of his time.
Now debate and compare him to other
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But at a far inferior strike rate to those men, specially Sachin. Regardless, he was a very fine ODI batsman of his time.
 
jusarrived said:
Hes better than Dhoni ? lol
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What lol? We r talking about genuine batsman and not hacks. May be u have not seen him play. In his prime he used to match sachin as best opener along with sachin, anwar and he is not a tailender outside of subcontinent like dhoni. No body outside of india rate dhoni as a batsman. Please spare us with this lols
 
Batsman with 5000+ ODI runs as openers.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...0;qualval1=runs;template=results;type=batting
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[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]SR [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HM Amla (SA) [/td][td]2008-2016 [/td][td]135 [/td][td]6489 [/td][td]51.91 [/td][td]89.66 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]30 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SR Tendulkar (INDIA) [/td][td]1994-2012 [/td][td]344 [/td][td]15310 [/td][td]48.29 [/td][td]88.05 [/td][td]45 [/td][td]75 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]TM Dilshan (SL) [/td][td]2008-2016 [/td][td]179 [/td][td]7367 [/td][td]46.04 [/td][td]89.08 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]34 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ML Hayden (AUS) [/td][td]1993-2008 [/td][td]148 [/td][td]5892 [/td][td]44.3 [/td][td]78.7 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]33 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ME Waugh (AUS) [/td][td]1993-2002 [/td][td]141 [/td][td]5729 [/td][td]44.06 [/td][td]76.74 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]32 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]G Kirsten (SA) [/td][td]1993-2003 [/td][td]175 [/td][td]6647 [/td][td]41.8 [/td][td]72.25 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]45 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SC Ganguly (INDIA) [/td][td]1996-2007 [/td][td]242 [/td][td]9146 [/td][td]41.57 [/td][td]73.59 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]58 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DL Haynes (WI) [/td][td]1978-1994 [/td][td]238 [/td][td]8648 [/td][td]41.37 [/td][td]63.09 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]57 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saeed Anwar (PAK) [/td][td]1989-2003 [/td][td]220 [/td][td]8156 [/td][td]39.98 [/td][td]79.93 [/td][td]20 [/td][td]37 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CH Gayle (ICC/WI) [/td][td]2000-2015 [/td][td]248 [/td][td]8920 [/td][td]39.12 [/td][td]85.94 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]46 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GC Smith (Afr/SA) [/td][td]2002-2013 [/td][td]196 [/td][td]6974 [/td][td]38.1 [/td][td]80.94 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]47 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AC Gilchrist (AUS/ICC) [/td][td]1998-2008 [/td][td]260 [/td][td]9200 [/td][td]36.5 [/td][td]98.02 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]53 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]V Sehwag (Asia/ICC/INDIA) [/td][td]2001-2013 [/td][td]214 [/td][td]7518 [/td][td]36.49 [/td][td]104.72 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]35 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HH Gibbs (SA) [/td][td]1996-2010 [/td][td]183 [/td][td]6103 [/td][td]35.69 [/td][td]82.86 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]24 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]NJ Astle (NZ) [/td][td]1995-2007 [/td][td]191 [/td][td]6176 [/td][td]34.89 [/td][td]72.72 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]37 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ST Jayasuriya (Asia/SL) [/td][td]1993-2011 [/td][td]388 [/td][td]12740 [/td][td]34.61 [/td][td]92.48 [/td][td]28 [/td][td]66 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]WU Tharanga (SL) [/td][td]2005-2014 [/td][td]161 [/td][td]5001 [/td][td]33.79 [/td][td]73.58 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]25 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Tamim Iqbal (BDESH) [/td][td]2007-2016 [/td][td]162 [/td][td]5120 [/td][td]32.4 [/td][td]77.79 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]34 [/td][/tr]
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Saurav even with his hands tied can bat better than dhoni. He never played in the era of flat pitches with inflated averages,,poor bowling, fielding restrictions.
 
Drreddymd said:
What lol? We r talking about genuine batsman and not hacks. May be u have not seen him play. In his prime he used to match sachin as best opener along with sachin, anwar and he is not a tailender outside of subcontinent like dhoni. No body outside of india rate dhoni as a batsman. Please spare us with this lols
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if you are talking about technique , Ganguly wasn't exactly that great was he ? He looked like a tailender even in SC against bounce . Was lucky to have played that many tests for India .

you seem to have conveniently forgotten about ICC tournaments now ?

As rating , Neutrals rate Ganguly above Dhoni ?
 
Drreddymd said:
But but according to dhoni fans he is the centre of universe and everybody is garbage
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Was one of the few batsmen who had a good record outside asia in the 90s. Certainly the only asian batsman that I can think of.

Ftr, I don't think Dhoni is garbage or a hack as well.:msd
 
Drreddymd said:
What lol? We r talking about genuine batsman and not hacks. May be u have not seen him play. In his prime he used to match sachin as best opener along with sachin, anwar and he is not a tailender outside of subcontinent like dhoni. No body outside of india rate dhoni as a batsman. Please spare us with this lols
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Drreddymd said:
Saurav even with his hands tied can bat better than dhoni. He never played in the era of flat pitches with inflated averages,,poor bowling, fielding restrictions.
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When you type things like these, your posts lose credibility.
 
Drreddymd said:
Saurav even with his hands tied can bat better than dhoni. He never played in the era of flat pitches with inflated averages,,poor bowling, fielding restrictions.
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I would say it looked like his hands where always tied while batting . The pitches where predominantly , which is in India dint have swing/bounce in the 90s . Ganguly scored most of his runs when the field restrictions where on , not Dhoni ? conveniently play in top order in ODI's and hide behind at 5/6 in Test matches .
 
jusarrived said:
if you are talking about technique , Ganguly wasn't exactly that great was he ? He looked like a tailender even in SC against bounce . Was lucky to have played that many tests for India .

you seem to have conveniently forgotten about ICC tournaments now ?

As rating , Neutrals rate Ganguly above Dhoni ?
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Thats why he was the best opener in his time and he had better records than sachin outside of india and the fastest to every mile stone at his time. Please dont compare dhoni to genuine batsmen. Even while playing all his life in this era dhoni strike rate is in high 80 s and not 100.in every world eleven no body places dhoni above gilchrist
 
Die hard fans of the Indian old guard (Sachin, Dravid, Laxman, etc.) and especially Ganguly could never accept Dhoni for some reason.

This is what I've observed in my interactions with cricket fans real time and in the internet in India over the last decade or so.
 
Drreddymd said:
Thats why he was the best opener in his time and he had better records than sachin outside of india and the fastest to every mile stone at his time. Please dont compare dhoni to genuine batsmen. Even while playing all his life in this era dhoni strike rate is in high 80 s and not 100.in every world eleven no body places dhoni above gilchrist
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And Ganguly's was ~70 , same as Dravid who was supposed to be tuk-tuk .
 
jusarrived said:
I would say it looked like his hands where always tied while batting . The pitches where predominantly , which is in India dint have swing/bounce in the 90s . Ganguly scored most of his runs when the field restrictions where on , not Dhoni ? conveniently play in top order in ODI's and hide behind at 5/6 in Test matches .
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Because dhoni is not good enough to open. Who is preventing him from opening. If he opens his technique will be exposed and he is not good enough to rotate the strike which he is not capable even in middle and end overs
 
street cricketer said:
Die hard fans of the Indian old guard (Sachin, Dravid, Laxman, etc.) and especially Ganguly could never accept Dhoni for some reason.

This is what I've observed in my interactions with cricket fans real time and in the internet in India over the last decade or so.
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Hero worshipping nothing else . Some of these players are bigger than the team for some "fans" , I have see people walk out or switch off TV as soon as their fav player gets out in India . These guys have retired and some of their fans have not been able to move on and since most of these guys think Dhoni was responsible for forcing their fav players out of the team all their energy is channelled in hating the poor guy .
 
Drreddymd said:
Because dhoni is not good enough to open. Who is preventing him from opening. If he opens his technique will be exposed and he is not good enough to rotate the strike which he is not capable even in middle and end overs
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Cos opening is the easiest spot in a LOI line up , its a spot for your weak link . Why dint Ganguly open in Tests then ?
You dont need technique to open in ODI's . Dhawan and Rohit sharma open for us and average close to 50 , both have poor technique .
 
jusarrived said:
Hero worshipping nothing else . Some of these players are bigger than the team for some "fans" , I have see people walk out or switch off TV as soon as their fav player gets out in India . These guys have retired and some of their fans have not been able to move on and since most of these guys think Dhoni was responsible for forcing their fav players out of the team all their energy is channelled in hating the poor guy .
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It is for dhoni fans for whom dhoni is bigger than the team. Every win is due to dhoni and not due to team and every other player is a side show with dhoni the hero
 
Drreddymd said:
It is for dhoni fans for whom dhoni is bigger than the team. Every win is due to dhoni and not due to team and every other player is a side show with dhoni the hero
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Been a Tendulkar fan , Huge Dravid fan , Huge VVS fan , Yes a Dhoni fan and at this point I woudnt trade anyone for Virat and tomorrow some one better comes I will move on . All I care about is the Indian team .
 
jusarrived said:
Cos opening is the easiest spot in a LOI line up , its a spot for your weak link . Why dint Ganguly open in Tests then ?
You dont need technique to open in ODI's . Dhawan and Rohit sharma open for us and average close to 50 , both have poor technique .
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May be in this era and not in previous eras where averaging 40 is atg level. Now every tom dick harry averages 40 and there are people who averages above fifty which was never heard off at that time. Only bevan averaged above 50 because of notouts and dhoni also averages 50 because 25 percent of his innings are not outs
 
Drreddymd said:
May be in this era and not in previous eras where averaging 40 is atg level. Now every tom dick harry averages 40 and there are people who averages above fifty which was never heard off at that time. Only bevan averaged above 50 because of notouts and dhoni also averages 50 because 25 percent of his innings are not outs
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470 runs , Avg of 12.91 and No Hundreds .
12K Runs , Avg of ~35 and 25+ hundreds

What do you think of these stats ?
 
Only abd, amla, kohli average above fifty without much contribution from not outs
 
street cricketer said:
Die hard fans of the Indian old guard (Sachin, Dravid, Laxman, etc.) and especially Ganguly could never accept Dhoni for some reason.

This is what I've observed in my interactions with cricket fans real time and in the internet in India over the last decade or so.
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Because dhoni was not a better batsman than those.Dhoni fans also disrespect Sachin and ganguly(captaincy) a lot in their zeal of over rating dhoni.
 
Ganguly is under rated as a batsman . But he was definitely lesser amongst the fabulous 5. His technique wasn't sound either against pacers.
 
Pollack said:
Because dhoni was not a better batsman than those.Dhoni fans also disrespect Sachin and ganguly(captaincy) a lot in their zeal of over rating dhoni.
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Absolutely agree with u r view. It is a disgrace to compare dhoni the batsman to above players and his captaincy is very very overrated by his fans. Even his team mates questioned his captaincy credentials.
 
Regarding Fab Five. Ganguly was better ODI batsman than Sehwag , Dravid and Laxman. Only Sachin was better than him overall.
 
Indian ODI batsman (min 4000 runs)

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[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]SR [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]V Kohli [/td][td]2008-2017 [/td][td]179 [/td][td]7755 [/td][td]53.11 [/td][td]90.76 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]39 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MS Dhoni [/td][td]2004-2017 [/td][td]283 [/td][td]9101 [/td][td]50.56 [/td][td]88.49 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]61 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SR Tendulkar [/td][td]1989-2012 [/td][td]463 [/td][td]18426 [/td][td]44.83 [/td][td]86.23 [/td][td]49 [/td][td]96 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RG Sharma [/td][td]2007-2016 [/td][td]153 [/td][td]5131 [/td][td]41.37 [/td][td]84.43 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]29 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SC Ganguly [/td][td]1992-2007 [/td][td]308 [/td][td]11221 [/td][td]40.95 [/td][td]73.65 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]71 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]G Gambhir [/td][td]2003-2013 [/td][td]147 [/td][td]5238 [/td][td]39.68 [/td][td]85.25 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]34 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]R Dravid [/td][td]1996-2011 [/td][td]340 [/td][td]10768 [/td][td]39.15 [/td][td]71.18 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]82 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]A Jadeja [/td][td]1992-2000 [/td][td]196 [/td][td]5359 [/td][td]37.47 [/td][td]69.8 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]30 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]NS Sidhu [/td][td]1987-1998 [/td][td]136 [/td][td]4413 [/td][td]37.08 [/td][td]69.72 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]33 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]M Azharuddin [/td][td]1985-2000 [/td][td]334 [/td][td]9378 [/td][td]36.92 [/td][td]74.02 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]58 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Yuvraj Singh [/td][td]2000-2017 [/td][td]293 [/td][td]8447 [/td][td]36.72 [/td][td]87.39 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]51 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SK Raina [/td][td]2005-2015 [/td][td]223 [/td][td]5568 [/td][td]35.46 [/td][td]93.76 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]36 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]V Sehwag [/td][td]1999-2013 [/td][td]241 [/td][td]7995 [/td][td]35.37 [/td][td]104.44 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]37 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]K Srikkanth [/td][td]1981-1992 [/td][td]146 [/td][td]4091 [/td][td]29.01 [/td][td]71.74 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]27 [/td][/tr]
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