South Africa cricket is still alive and kicking!

[IAJ]

Many people here announced death of SA cricket, but they have just won an ODI series against a very strong Australia side.

Congrats to the Saffers fans

 

[Mamoon]

Although Australia has been their bunny in ODIs in recent times, a lot of talk of their decline has been overstated.

They are one of the elite sides and will never fall to the level of Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies etc.

 

[Rana]

Although Australia has been their bunny in ODIs in recent times, a lot of talk of their decline has been overstated.

They are one of the elite sides and will never fall to the level of Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies etc.

Yeah only in World cups or games when it matters

 

[liam26]

Very good for the game. Cricket cant afford to lose more stronger sides.

 

[subbu]

Nice to see SA winning

 

[Hasan123]

They are far from finished. PP overreacts. They have a long way to go in tests but looking at their recent LO games , they look like they will be a strong LO team.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Yeah only in World cups or games when it matters

I believe south africa were number 1 for far longer than pakistan in the real format aka test cricket. By a huge margin.

 

[Artaxerxes]

South Africa has a strong sports culture.Their cricket and rugby teams are very strong.Their football team is not bad either.South Africa had produced many golfers,tennis players and atheletes.SA cricket team will bounce back and become one of the top teams again.

 

[sweep_shot]

I don't think South Africa are "alive and kicking". They seem to be on a decline.

Losing to England 1-3 at home (Test) didn't paint a good picture.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I don't think South Africa are "alive and kicking". They seem to be on a decline.

Losing to England 1-3 at home (Test) didn't paint a good picture.

England beat them many times even at their best. conditions are familiar to then.

 

[sweep_shot]

England beat them many times even at their best. conditions are familiar to then.

That was just one series. They have been on decline for the past 2 years. They lost to India 1-5, lost to SL 0-2, finished 7th in the WC etc.

They are winning here and there but it is a clear decline.

 

[Hawkeye]

Although Australia has been their bunny in ODIs in recent times, a lot of talk of their decline has been overstated.

They are one of the elite sides and will never fall to the level of Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies etc.

Yes of course. Can't ever become bottlers like them and not win a single major tournament.

 

[MP2011]

Can't ever become bottlers like them and not win a single major tournament.

So CT isn't a major tournament, okay.

 

[Junaids]

Although Australia has been their bunny in ODIs in recent times, a lot of talk of their decline has been overstated.

They are one of the elite sides and will never fall to the level of Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies etc.

World Test Championship Table:
3. New Zealand 180 points (after 3 of 6 series)
4. England 146 points (after 2 of 6 series)
5. Pakistan 140 points (after 2.5 of 6 series)
6. Sri Lanka 80 points (after 2 of 6 series)
7. South Africa 24 points (after 2 of 6 series)

South Africa already has fallen below Pakistan and Sri Lanka. It’s a fact. Already!

 

[Rana]

Give a team HD coverage on the leading sports channels
Give them anglophone players
Proper sponsorship
Proper image projection on social media

And then all of their wins at home would be good enough to be considered as elite. Perception is everything in the world today.

The same SA will go missing in the T20 World Cup this December

 

[Mamoon]

World Test Championship Table:
3. New Zealand 180 points (after 3 of 6 series)
4. England 146 points (after 2 of 6 series)
5. Pakistan 140 points (after 2.5 of 6 series)
6. Sri Lanka 80 points (after 2 of 6 series)
7. South Africa 24 points (after 2 of 6 series)

South Africa already has fallen below Pakistan and Sri Lanka. It’s a fact. Already!

Pakistan opponents so far:

Australia
Sri Lanka
Bangladesh

South Africa opponents so far:

India (away)
England

Pakistan were demolished in Australia and picked up cheap wins against Sri Lanka and a weakened Bangladesh at home.

South Africa started their WTC with the toughest challenge in Test cricket today - a tour to India, and then they followed it up with a home series against a very formidable opponent.

Pakistan can tour South Africa today and our bunch of losers will get whitewashed...as usual.

 

[Junaids]

Pakistan opponents so far:

Australia
Sri Lanka
Bangladesh

South Africa opponents so far:

India (away)
England

Pakistan were demolished in Australia and picked up cheap wins against Sri Lanka and a weakened Bangladesh at home.

South Africa started their WTC with the toughest challenge in Test cricket today - a tour to India, and then they followed it up with a home series against a very formidable opponent.

Pakistan can tour South Africa today and our bunch of losers will get whitewashed...as usual.

South Africa are lucky that their 2-0 home defeat by Sri Lanka was outside the WTC cycle.

They have lost de Villiers, Amla, Philander, Morkel, Steyn in the last two years and Abbott is unavailable.

With FAF about to retire and Elgar in terminal decline their team is basically De Kock, Rabada, Ngidi and eight guys who wouldn’t be picked for Pakistan’s C team.

They have a cricket population base smaller than New Zealand and they are now well into a period of sharp decline.

 

[Mamoon]

South Africa are lucky that their 2-0 home defeat by Sri Lanka was outside the WTC cycle.

They have lost de Villiers, Amla, Philander, Morkel, Steyn in the last two years and Abbott is unavailable.

With FAF about to retire and Elgar in terminal decline their team is basically De Kock, Rabada, Ngidi and eight guys who wouldn’t be picked for Pakistan’s C team.

They have a cricket population base smaller than New Zealand and they are now well into a period of sharp decline.

There is still good enough talent in South Africa to allow them to hover above teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka and West Indies in Test and ODI rankings.

Their cricket population base is smaller than New Zealand but their sporting culture is immensely strong. Their players are proper athletes, nearly all of them are brilliant in the field and these factors will always keep them competitive. Cricket population base is not always proportional to success. Pakistan is a poverty team in spite of having the second biggest cricket population after India.

Like we saw at the World Cup where England, India, Australia and New Zealand finished in the top 4 after a long group stage, the WTC table will present a similar picture after its cycle is complete. The great thing about the WTC is that because it runs over a period of two years, the best and most consistent sides will occupy the top 4 four spots.

India, England, Australia, New Zealand and/or South Africa, in no particular order, will occupy the top 4 spots in WTC table. Pakistan’s cheap wins over Sri Lanka and Bangladesh will be evened out with defeats in England and New Zealand later this year.

 

[Ab Fan]

South Africa are lucky that their 2-0 home defeat by Sri Lanka was outside the WTC cycle.

They have lost de Villiers, Amla, Philander, Morkel, Steyn in the last two years and Abbott is unavailable.

With FAF about to retire and Elgar in terminal decline their team is basically De Kock, Rabada, Ngidi and <B>eight guys who wouldn’t be picked for Pakistan’s C team.</B>

They have a cricket population base smaller than New Zealand and they are now well into a period of sharp decline.

Really??

 

[Junaids]

Really??

Pakistan has 140 World Test Championship points out of a possible 300 so far.

South Africa has 24 WTC points out of a possible 240 so far.

 

[Ab Fan]

There is nothing to be surprised of what has happened.

It's much easier to get back the replacements in ODI and T20 cricket where the younger brigade are more likely to make a major impact than 30+.
In 2007, Dhoni asked the selector for a young team where the trio of SRT, Ganguly and Dravid shouldn't be part of the limited overs team. Eventually, the tactics worked and results also paid off as India went on to win WT20 and Commonwealth bank ODI series in Australia (that series had Tendulkar).

Basically, my point is it's much easier to get replacements in LO cricket and same has happened for SA.

Unfortunately, it is test cricket where South African cricket is going in huge turmoil and really needs to figure out a way to get back on track. They may start winning some games at home, more so if Pakistan tours them more often which will help them give confidence and eventually have a settled team.

Asian conditions still remains their biggest problem and it's highly unlikely that this time they will be able to save their record of not losing a test series to Pakistan since ABD debuted.

 

[Ab Fan]

Pakistan has 140 World Test Championship points out of a possible 300 so far.

South Africa has 24 WTC points out of a possible 240 so far.

How does that relate to nine SA players not making it to Pakistan's C team, lol ? These 140 point are not awarded to a Pakistan 'C' team.

 

[Mesozoic]

Pakistan has 140 World Test Championship points out of a possible 300 so far.

South Africa has 24 WTC points out of a possible 240 so far.

Pakistan got those points against SL and Ban at home.

SAF lost points in India and at home against England.

Are you seriously making your point based on that ?

We should all wait for the WTC cycle to end to know where the teams actually stand.

 

[Mamoon]

Really??

Be glad he stopped at Pakistan C, and not the Z team of Pakistan Under 15.

 

[MMHS]

This thread should age nicely - I can see.

 

[Junaids]

Pakistan got those points against SL and Ban at home.

SAF lost points in India and at home against England.

Are you seriously making your point based on that ?

We should all wait for the WTC cycle to end to know where the teams actually stand.

This thread should age nicely - I can see.

People seem to overlook just how incredibly rubbish my England team now is.

Stokes is terrific.

Archer is terrific when fit.

Root is international class.

And then.....nothing. Our next best batsman is the second best Test opener called Burns, after Joe!

Compared with the England teams who drew at home with Pakistan in 2016 and 2018, Anderson and Broad are even older, and Woakes has failed to break through as Test class.

For South Africa to lose at home to England was even worse than losing to Sri Lanka.

I’ve loved South African cricket since the days of Procter, Richards and Pollock. But this team is terrible!

 

[Heisenberg111]

There is still good enough talent in South Africa to allow them to hover above teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka and West Indies in Test and ODI rankings.

Their cricket population base is smaller than New Zealand but their sporting culture is immensely strong. Their players are proper athletes, nearly all of them are brilliant in the field and these factors will always keep them competitive. Cricket population base is not always proportional to success. Pakistan is a poverty team in spite of having the second biggest cricket population after India.

Like we saw at the World Cup where England, India, Australia and New Zealand finished in the top 4 after a long group stage, the WTC table will present a similar picture after its cycle is complete. The great thing about the WTC is that because it runs over a period of two years, the best and most consistent sides will occupy the top 4 four spots.

India, England, Australia, New Zealand and/or South Africa, in no particular order, will occupy the top 4 spots in WTC table. Pakistan’s cheap wins over Sri Lanka and Bangladesh will be evened out with defeats in England and New Zealand later this year.

England and New Zealand might finish ahead of Pakistan, but no way is South Africa going to finish ahead of Pakistan, they only have 24 points so far and have a tour of Pakistan next year, which they will most likely lose.

 

[Mamoon]

[/B]

England and New Zealand might finish ahead of Pakistan, but no way is South Africa going to finish ahead of Pakistan, they only have 24 points so far and have a tour of Pakistan next year, which they will most likely lose.

Might? England and New Zealand are guaranteed to finish ahead of Pakistan.

I wouldn’t be so sure over Pakistani rolling over South Africa at home. Since the series will most likely be played in Pakistan, it will give South Africa a better chance to compete instead of the slow, low UAE pitches.

Pakistani pitches are flatter and there is something in it for the fast bowlers. Someone like Rabada or Ngidi can run through our lineup on a chilly morning session in Lahore or Rawalpindi January-February, but that is very unlikely to happen in Abu Dhabi in October-November.

Pakistani fans should prepare themselves for the fact that touring teams are going to enjoy Pakistani conditions a lot more then UAE conditions.

 

[Mamoon]

People seem to overlook just how incredibly rubbish my England team now is.

Stokes is terrific.

Archer is terrific when fit.

Root is international class.

And then.....nothing. Our next best batsman is the second best Test opener called Burns, after Joe!

Compared with the England teams who drew at home with Pakistan in 2016 and 2018, Anderson and Broad are even older, and Woakes has failed to break through as Test class.

For South Africa to lose at home to England was even worse than losing to Sri Lanka.

I’ve loved South African cricket since the days of Procter, Richards and Pollock. But this team is terrible!

What you seem to (always) overlook is just how incredibly rubbish Pakistan itself is.

From your perspective, Pakistan should have won in Australia in 2016-17 and 2019-20, in South Africa in 2018-19, and in New Zealand in 2016-17. However, we all saw what happened - Pakistan lost every single Test.

Moreover, people look too much into the 2016 and 2018 tours of England. In 2016, Pakistan capitalized on the two flat London pitches, and in 2018, we were simply lucky it was only a two match series.

Pakistan’s days of being England’s bogey team are over now. The turn of the decade should change England’s fortune against Pakistan, and it will be very surprising if we don’t get whitewashed in the upcoming summer.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Might? England and New Zealand are guaranteed to finish ahead of Pakistan.

I wouldn’t be so sure over Pakistani rolling over South Africa at home. Since the series will most likely be played in Pakistan, it will give South Africa a better chance to compete instead of the slow, low UAE pitches.

Pakistani pitches are flatter and there is something in it for the fast bowlers. Someone like Rabada or Ngidi can run through our lineup on a chilly morning session in Lahore or Rawalpindi January-February, but that is very unlikely to happen in Abu Dhabi in October-November.

Pakistani fans should prepare themselves for the fact that touring teams are going to enjoy Pakistani conditions a lot more then UAE conditions.

I am 100 % certain that South Africa will finish below Pakistan in the WTC table. Wanna bet ? I think Pakistan will have a great chance in the 2nd WTC from 2021-23. They have easy away series in that cycle (SL, BD and WI) and (Aus, Nz and Eng) at home.

 

[Mamoon]

I am 100 % certain that South Africa will finish below Pakistan in the WTC table. Wanna bet ? I think Pakistan will have a great chance in the 2nd WTC from 2021-23. They have easy away series in that cycle (SL, BD and WI) and (Aus, Nz and Eng) at home.

Sure. Let’s revisit this thread when the WTC cycle is complete.

 

[Robert]

People seem to overlook just how incredibly rubbish my England team now is.

Stokes is terrific.

Archer is terrific when fit.

Root is international class.

And then.....nothing. Our next best batsman is the second best Test opener called Burns, after Joe!

Compared with the England teams who drew at home with Pakistan in 2016 and 2018, Anderson and Broad are even older, and Woakes has failed to break through as Test class.

For South Africa to lose at home to England was even worse than losing to Sri Lanka.

I’ve loved South African cricket since the days of Procter, Richards and Pollock. But this team is terrible!

Wood is also terrific when fit.

We are certainly better than the team that halved the Ashes last summer, as batters who can play long innings are starting to come through and the LO tonkers are dropped.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Sure. Let’s revisit this thread when the WTC cycle is complete.

Ok, you got it. Please pray that that South Africa win their next series in the West Indies. There is a good chance that WI might roll over them in a test or two.

 

[Robert]

Ok, you got it. Please pray that that South Africa win their next series in the West Indies. There is a good chance that WI might roll over them in a test or two.

I think this is likely. SA really need ABDV back in the test team.

 

[Hawkeye]

Pakistan got those points against SL and Ban at home.

SAF lost points in India and at home against England.

Are you seriously making your point based on that ?

We should all wait for the WTC cycle to end to know where the teams actually stand.

SA lost to SL at home. )

Now calm down, you and [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] .

Hilarious.

 

[minamino]

In order to be a successful team, you need to make sure that the talent pool is wide. In case of SA, their talent pool is drained. Their U19 team loses pretty badly to teams like Afghanistan, Namibia etc. The lack of interest from Black Africans in cricket is concerning as well.

 

[Mamoon]

SA lost to SL at home. )

Now calm down, you and [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] .

Hilarious.

It was a one-off result, a deviation from the norm.

South Africa would whitewash Pakistan and Sri Lanka at home 9/10 times.

 

[Mesozoic]

SA lost to SL at home. )

Now calm down, you and [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] .

Hilarious.

And Pakistan lost to that same team 3-0 a month before that.

 

[Hawkeye]

And Pakistan lost to that same team 3-0 a month before that.

I know. And that was under the dark Mickey Arthur era, we've left that behind. It was terrible.

That darkness is over.

P.S., SL was batting in familiar conditions, not AWAY like in SA's case, where no Asian team had won. So, that's even more humiliating for SA.

 

[Abdullah719]

Cricket: South Africa hopeful of home India series in August

CAPE TOWN (Reuters) - South Africa are optimistic about hosting India for three lucrative Twenty20 Internationals in late August, but are trying to find new dates for their proposed tour to the West Indies.

Cricket South Africa (CSA) has already had to postpone a limited overs series in Sri Lanka, but has earmarked the visit by India to raise much-needed revenue.

Spoiler

CSA director of cricket Graeme Smith says the body is in constant contact with the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI).

“We have been talking to them and the commitment is there to get the three T20s done,” Smith said at a news conference on Thursday.

“There is an element of guesswork, no-one knows what things will be like at the end of August.

“But we believe we are a socially-distanced sport and that we can play behind closed doors.”

The Proteas were due to tour the West Indies in late July for two test matches and five Twenty20 internationals, and Smith confirmed they are looking at all options for those matches, including playing at neutral venues or in South Africa.

“We are exploring all options. Sport has to think like a business now and not just an events company. We need to get together and work out how to get cricket up and running,” he said.

“We are trying to understand things like quarantine regulations. There are so many things up in the air, but the key is to be ready (for when play returns).”

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-h...-of-home-india-series-in-august-idUKKBN22X125

 

[MenInG]

CSA CLARIFIES ITS POSITION AHEAD OF ICC ELECTION

Thursday, 21 May 2020

Cricket South Africa (CSA) has clarified its position regarding the election of the International Cricket Council (ICC) Independent Chairman at the ICC Annual Conference later this year.

Mr. Shashank Manohar is the current chairman and is about to complete his second two-year term in this office.

“We must respect both the ICC protocol and our own protocol in deciding which candidate to back,” commented CSA President and Chairman of the Board, Mr. Chris Nenzani. “There have been no candidates nominated as yet and once such nominations have been made the Board of CSA will take its decision in terms of its own protocol and give the chairman the mandate to exercise his vote as an ICC Board Director accordingly.

“We have the highest regard for the opinions of our Director of Cricket, Graeme Smith, who is a well-respected figure in world cricket and has already made an immense contribution in fulfilling his mandate to make our cricket teams world leaders again.

“At the moment we don’t want to anticipate any candidates who may be nominated for this important position to lead the game we all love,” concluded Mr. Nenzani.

 

[MenInG]

Feel sorry for SA cricketers - they just dont know who to support in ICC - atleast Pakistan has a position

 

[Heisenberg111]

Might? England and New Zealand are guaranteed to finish ahead of Pakistan.

I wouldn’t be so sure over Pakistani rolling over South Africa at home. Since the series will most likely be played in Pakistan, it will give South Africa a better chance to compete instead of the slow, low UAE pitches.

Pakistani pitches are flatter and there is something in it for the fast bowlers. Someone like Rabada or Ngidi can run through our lineup on a chilly morning session in Lahore or Rawalpindi January-February, but that is very unlikely to happen in Abu Dhabi in October-November.

Pakistani fans should prepare themselves for the fact that touring teams are going to enjoy Pakistani conditions a lot more then UAE conditions.

What did I tell you Mamoon?

 

[Heisenberg111]

Sure. Let’s revisit this thread when the WTC cycle is complete.

You have lost the bet here Mamoon

 

[Ab Fan]

SA just need a good leader, the team is still not as bad.

Markram
Van Der dussen
Qdk
Rabada
Nortje
Ngidi
Maharaj

 

[Mamoon]

What did I tell you Mamoon?

South Africa underperformed severely. They were poorly led by a captain who doesn’t want to lead, and they were not prepared.

Potential-wise this South African side is actually better than Pakistan.

QDK is easily a better WK batsman than anyone Pakistan has ever produced.

Faf is close to retirement but he is still a better batsman than anyone in the Pakistan team minus Babar.

VD Dussen walks into the Pakistan team.

Elgar is much, much better than any opener at our disposal.

Markram has the same potential as Babar but with stronger mentality and superior leadership skills.

Rabada is better than any fast bowler that we have.

Maharaj is better any spinner that we have minus Yasir.

The main problem for South Africa was their poor application. More than 50% of their dismissals in this series were self-inflicted. They bowled very well.

Pakistan’s batting was awful and bowling was average. They did not win the series - it was actually South Africa who lost it.

Truth to be told, no one deserved to win this series based on the performances that we saw from both sides.

 

[MHN1293]

You have lost the bet here Mamoon

He also predicted Sa beating pak cricket team at home.

 

[Ab Fan]

South Africa underperformed severely. They were poorly led by a captain who doesn’t want to lead, and they were not prepared.

Potential-wise this South African side is actually better than Pakistan.

QDK is easily a better WK batsman than anyone Pakistan has ever produced.

Faf is close to retirement but he is still a better batsman than anyone in the Pakistan team minus Babar.

VD Dussen walks into the Pakistan team.

Elgar is much, much better than any opener at our disposal.

Markram has the same potential as Babar but with stronger mentality and superior leadership skills.

Rabada is better than any fast bowler that we have.

Maharaj is better any spinner that we have minus Yasir.

The main problem for South Africa was their poor application. More than 50% of their dismissals in this series were self-inflicted. They bowled very well.

Pakistan’s batting was awful and bowling was average. They did not win the series - it was actually South Africa who lost it.

Truth to be told, no one deserved to win this series based on the performances that we saw from both sides.

Agreed [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. SA just need a good leader. The team is still good enough.

 

[MHN1293]

South Africa underperformed severely. They were poorly led by a captain who doesn’t want to lead, and they were not prepared.

Potential-wise this South African side is actually better than Pakistan.

QDK is easily a better WK batsman than anyone Pakistan has ever produced.

Faf is close to retirement but he is still a better batsman than anyone in the Pakistan team minus Babar.

VD Dussen walks into the Pakistan team.

Elgar is much, much better than any opener at our disposal.

Markram has the same potential as Babar but with stronger mentality and superior leadership skills.

Rabada is better than any fast bowler that we have.

Maharaj is better any spinner that we have minus Yasir.

The main problem for South Africa was their poor application. More than 50% of their dismissals in this series were self-inflicted. They bowled very well.

Pakistan’s batting was awful and bowling was average. They did not win the series - it was actually South Africa who lost it.

Truth to be told, no one deserved to win this series based on the performances that we saw from both sides.

Rizwan has done better than qdk in tests. With all the potential its time qdk actually did something of note which he hasnt in the past few years.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Feel sorry for SA cricketers - they just dont know who to support in ICC - atleast Pakistan has a position

Decision making from SA throughout the series was poor and then talking about QDK captaincy before this game didn’t exactly fill the team with confidence.

 

[Heisenberg111]

South Africa underperformed severely. They were poorly led by a captain who doesn’t want to lead, and they were not prepared.

Potential-wise this South African side is actually better than Pakistan.

QDK is easily a better WK batsman than anyone Pakistan has ever produced.

Faf is close to retirement but he is still a better batsman than anyone in the Pakistan team minus Babar.

VD Dussen walks into the Pakistan team.

Elgar is much, much better than any opener at our disposal.

Markram has the same potential as Babar but with stronger mentality and superior leadership skills.

Rabada is better than any fast bowler that we have.

Maharaj is better any spinner that we have minus Yasir.

The main problem for South Africa was their poor application. More than 50% of their dismissals in this series were self-inflicted. They bowled very well.

Pakistan’s batting was awful and bowling was average. They did not win the series - it was actually South Africa who lost it.

Truth to be told, no one deserved to win this series based on the performances that we saw from both sides.

So, who has finished ahead in the WTC table, Pakistan or South Africa? Just answer this

 

[Saj]

This South African team in the Test series against Pakistan was the worst South African Test team I have ever seen.

It lacked fight, it lacked skill, it lacked cohesion, it lacked mental toughness, it lacked leadership.

There were players out there who clearly were not fit to wear the shirt and were not giving their all, which is nothing short of disgraceful.

 

[aloo paratha]

South Africa underperformed severely. They were poorly led by a captain who doesn’t want to lead, and they were not prepared.

Potential-wise this South African side is actually better than Pakistan.

QDK is easily a better WK batsman than anyone Pakistan has ever produced.

Faf is close to retirement but he is still a better batsman than anyone in the Pakistan team minus Babar.

VD Dussen walks into the Pakistan team.

Elgar is much, much better than any opener at our disposal.

Markram has the same potential as Babar but with stronger mentality and superior leadership skills.

Rabada is better than any fast bowler that we have.

Maharaj is better any spinner that we have minus Yasir.

The main problem for South Africa was their poor application. More than 50% of their dismissals in this series were self-inflicted. They bowled very well.

Pakistan’s batting was awful and bowling was average. They did not win the series - it was actually South Africa who lost it.

Truth to be told, no one deserved to win this series based on the performances that we saw from both sides.

We still beat them

 

[Mamoon]

So, who has finished ahead in the WTC table, Pakistan or South Africa? Just answer this

I don’t know, I haven’t checked the table. I am only looking forward to the final. Not interested in watching average teams like Pakistan and South Africa play.

 

[sam_ahm]

South Africa will slowly rebuild, what is good for them is that there won't be Kolpak's any more and a lot of their Ex-Kolpak's are back so let's see how it goes.

I still believe they should invest more in Kyle Verryene, he is such a fine talent and Mulder, Janneman Malan are good prospects too. Nortje, Markram, Rabada, Verryene, Mulder, Malan are a capable young lot to take this team forward and don't forget DeKock still has plenty of years left in him.

It is not as bad as it looks for RSA, they will bounce back.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

This South African team in the Test series against Pakistan was the worst South African Test team I have ever seen.

It lacked fight, it lacked skill, it lacked cohesion, it lacked mental toughness, it lacked leadership.

There were players out there who clearly were not fit to wear the shirt and were not giving their all, which is nothing short of disgraceful.

Well before we blast them we should thank them for touring us, I'm very appreciative of what they have done for Pakistan cricket and wish the test cricketing squad a safe journey back home. Thank you cricket South Africa!

It pains me to say this but Graeme Smith and Boucher are largely to blame (SA greats), they forced QDK with captaincy when he clearly didn't want it. They just felt more angry in this test i think more so than anything, the commentary picked it up that they weren't as chirpy out there. A team always looks up to it's captain and i think the poor attitude of QDK from the first test spread through the team like a virus, they all were so lazy.

Only positives for team SA- Markram, Bavuma, Linde, Mahraj, Van Der Dussen and Nortje other than that pretty average.

Very disappointed with Elgar expected him to really frustrate us.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

South Africa will slowly rebuild, what is good for them is that there won't be Kolpak's any more and a lot of their Ex-Kolpak's are back so let's see how it goes.

I still believe they should invest more in Kyle Verryene, he is such a fine talent and Mulder, Janneman Malan are good prospects too. Nortje, Markram, Rabada, Verryene, Mulder, Malan are a capable young lot to take this team forward and don't forget DeKock still has plenty of years left in him.

It is not as bad as it looks for RSA, they will bounce back.

Nortje impressed me.

 

[Extreme Pace]

Well SA have always struggled against spin so wasn't much of a surprise but their discipline was way off for a South African side. The fielding was bad, they missed chances, made fumbles and gave free runs. To top that they had 2 run outs in both first Inngs which hurt them a lot. The team is young and they need good leadership which was missing in this series. Their two most experienced batsmen, Faf and QDK had zero impact.

 

[Heisenberg111]

I don’t know, I haven’t checked the table. I am only looking forward to the final. Not interested in watching average teams like Pakistan and South Africa play.

Lol, Ok, I understand why you won't want to check the WTC table standings. So, I will tell you

Pakistan finishes 5th in WTC table (286 points)

South Africa finishes 6th in WTC table ( 144 points)

So who won the bet?

 

[MHN1293]

I don’t know, I haven’t checked the table. I am only looking forward to the final. Not interested in watching average teams like Pakistan and South Africa play.

You yourself stated you watched faheem ashraf of all average cricketers belonging to a average side play some crispy drives. Also if pak had finished below bangladesh you would have been the first to check the table and bash pct.

 

[Saj]

Well before we blast them we should thank them for touring us, I'm very appreciative of what they have done for Pakistan cricket and wish the test cricketing squad a safe journey back home. Thank you cricket South Africa!

It pains me to say this but Graeme Smith and Boucher are largely to blame (SA greats), they forced QDK with captaincy when he clearly didn't want it. They just felt more angry in this test i think more so than anything, the commentary picked it up that they weren't as chirpy out there. A team always looks up to it's captain and i think the poor attitude of QDK from the first test spread through the team like a virus, they all were so lazy.

Only positives for team SA- Markram, Bavuma, Linde, Mahraj, Van Der Dussen and Nortje other than that pretty average.

Very disappointed with Elgar expected him to really frustrate us.

Just because they turned up to play in Pakistan, that doesn't mean people cannot criticise their poor cricketing skills.

I can't remember a series where 2 teams batsmen have thrown away their wickets so often.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Just because they turned up to play in Pakistan, that doesn't mean people cannot criticise their poor cricketing skills.

I can't remember a series where 2 teams batsmen have thrown away their wickets so often.

Oh no i can go on and on about their poor skills throughout this series.

Just took a moment to appreciate them.

I mean i pulled out their list of mistakes in the first test to you, if you remember.

 

[Saj]

Oh no i can go on and on about their poor skills throughout this series.

Just took a moment to appreciate them.

I mean i pulled out their list of mistakes in the first test to you, if you remember.

Yes true.

But you are right. There should be some appreciation for them touring Pakistan in such difficult times.

I just missed those great, mentally tough, battle-hardened batsmen and those nasty, in your face bowlers that they normally have.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Yes true.

But you are right. There should be some appreciation for them touring Pakistan in such difficult times.

I just missed those great, mentally tough, battle-hardened batsmen and those nasty, in your face bowlers that they normally have.

Hey, if it means anything Nortje had a 'Steyn like' death glare his consistent 140kph speeds were scary in my eyes.

I mean for me team South Africa didn't concern me as much when coming over, if we look at the stats most of these guys are newbies in sub continent conditions and have limited experience. However, experience builds with time, change comes with time and what i say time and time again be patient with people because chopping and changing throws away the hard work coaches do with players.

 

[Dark Magician]

Faf is done. He's finished and yet we have him batting at 4.
De Kock might not want to be captain but he still had to do the best he can under the circumstances. Instead he showed us he doesn't really care. He gave his wicket away so many times and his keeping was terrible. Really really poor series. He'll have to look himself in the mirror and ask hard questions of him.
Rabada was another one who doesn't seem to care. I don't know if he has an injury or not but I didn't like what I saw. He was down on pace and at times looked like he was going through the motion. You can't have that from your pace spearhead. Shocking fielding from all the players. Really shocking. I reckon fines need to be dished out for the **** we saw out there.

Markram
Elgar
Petersen/Van Tonder
Bavuma
RvD
De Kock
Mulder
Maharaj
Rabada
Nortje
Ngidi

Bavuma and RVD are bang average players and quite frankly shouldn't be there but they are. I can see us having the same problems as the english teams of the 00s.

This would be my choice of team if I was the selector.

Elgar
Breetzke
Petersen
Markram (C)
Van Tonder
Mulder (All-rounder)
De Kock
Coetzee (Bowling All-rounder) Migael Pretorius
Maharaj
Rabada
Nortje(Dupavillion, Ngidi , Sipamla, Burger, Hendricks)

 

[Saj]

Words I never thought I would type - the Pakistani fielders outclassed their South African opponents.

 

[Bilal_103]

Words I never thought I would type - the Pakistani fielders outclassed their South African opponents.

Imran Butt is a gun fielder too bad his batting is mediocre.

 

[Ahson8]

Faf is done. He's finished and yet we have him batting at 4.
De Kock might not want to be captain but he still had to do the best he can under the circumstances. Instead he showed us he doesn't really care. He gave his wicket away so many times and his keeping was terrible. Really really poor series. He'll have to look himself in the mirror and ask hard questions of him.
Rabada was another one who doesn't seem to care. I don't know if he has an injury or not but I didn't like what I saw. He was down on pace and at times looked like he was going through the motion. You can't have that from your pace spearhead. Shocking fielding from all the players. Really shocking. I reckon fines need to be dished out for the **** we saw out there.

Markram
Elgar
Petersen/Van Tonder
Bavuma
RvD
De Kock
Mulder
Maharaj
Rabada
Nortje
Ngidi

Bavuma and RVD are bang average players and quite frankly shouldn't be there but they are. I can see us having the same problems as the english teams of the 00s.

This would be my choice of team if I was the selector.

Elgar
Breetzke
Petersen
Markram (C)
Van Tonder
Mulder (All-rounder)
De Kock
Coetzee (Bowling All-rounder) Migael Pretorius
Maharaj
Rabada
Nortje(Dupavillion, Ngidi , Sipamla, Burger, Hendricks)

Why does no one rate Janneman, he's quality.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Lol, Ok, I understand why you won't want to check the WTC table standings. So, I will tell you

Pakistan finishes 5th in WTC table (286 points)

South Africa finishes 6th in WTC table ( 144 points)

So who won the bet?

Just went through the entire thread..and OMG, another one lol.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Are you sure you took your algebra classes because the "99%" accuracy figure you came up for your assessments is not holding up too well.
Perhaps you can hire someone to assist you in this.

Trust me we all are willing to help. Will surely give you a good old "reality check" that you love to cry hoarse about.

I would say that figure of yours, going by the spate of events in the last week or so, is as accurate as Iftikhar's official age.

 

[szrana007]

Just went through the entire thread..and OMG, another one lol.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Are you sure you took your algebra classes because the "99%" accuracy figure you came up for your assessments is not holding up too well.
Perhaps you can hire someone to assist you in this.

Trust me we all are willing to help. Will surely give you a good old "reality check" that you love to cry hoarse about.

I would say that figure of yours, going by the spate of events in the last week or so, is as accurate as Iftikhar's official age.

99 % predictions are wrong you mean ?

 

[sindhiboy]

No one rates George linde?
Got a 5 fer

 

[Mamoon]

Just went through the entire thread..and OMG, another one lol.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Are you sure you took your algebra classes because the "99%" accuracy figure you came up for your assessments is not holding up too well.
Perhaps you can hire someone to assist you in this.

Trust me we all are willing to help. Will surely give you a good old "reality check" that you love to cry hoarse about.

I would say that figure of yours, going by the spate of events in the last week or so, is as accurate as Iftikhar's official age.

This is not algebra. This is statistics.

Yes I did take my math class, but it looks like you didn’t even go to school. Algebra?

Do you know what algebra is?

I am always right in the end. I am not sure what you are referring to, but just like how I was right about Naseem, India in Australia, Pant, Haris Rauf, Root’s resurgence, Asia Cup 2018, Shadab etc. and a host of other things, time will also prove me right when it comes to the likes of Hassan Ali, Faheem, Fawad and this home advantage drama that our fans are doing these days after beating a poorly led, weak South African team.

The issue is that they are only looking at the results not the performance itself which actually quite mediocre.

Pakistan will lose frequently at home against the top sides because the talent and skill is simply not there. We are a poor side. When that happens, our fans will act shocked and will then blame Misbah and whoever is in the firing-line at that point.

Pakistan will never be a top team in the near or distant future. This whole FC restructure drama and home advantage baloney will end in tears as well. Just wait for some top teams to tour Pakistan with proper preparation.

 

[Bilal_103]

This is not algebra. This is statistics.

Yes I did take my math class, but it looks like you didn’t even go to school. Algebra?

Do you know what algebra is?

I am always right in the end.

Stopped reading after this. You been wrong many times lool

 

[Last Monetarist]

The South African selectors should really swallow their pride and recall Simon Harmer now that he's eligible again. Maharaj simply isn't test quality.

 

[Mamoon]

This is not algebra. This is statistics.

Yes I did take my math class, but it looks like you didn’t even go to school. Algebra?

Do you know what algebra is?

I am always right in the end. I am not sure what you are referring to, but just like how I was right about Naseem, India in Australia, Pant, Haris Rauf, Root’s resurgence, Asia Cup 2018, Shadab etc. and a host of other things, time will also prove me right when it comes to the likes of Hassan Ali, Faheem, Fawad and this home advantage drama that our fans are doing these days after beating a poorly led, weak South African team.

The issue is that they are only looking at the results not the performance itself which actually quite mediocre.

Pakistan will lose frequently at home against the top sides because the talent and skill is simply not there. We are a poor side. When that happens, our fans will act shocked and will then blame Misbah and whoever is in the firing-line at that point.

Pakistan will never be a top team in the near or distant future. This whole FC restructure drama and home advantage baloney will end in tears as well. Just wait for some top teams to tour Pakistan with proper preparation.

[MENTION=152972]Pacy with wisdom[/MENTION]

And of course I forgot about Masood, whom you wanted as captain with your infinite wisdom.

 

[Mamoon]

The South African selectors should really swallow their pride and recall Simon Harmer now that he's eligible again. Maharaj simply isn't test quality.

He completely outfoxed the overrated Babar, but overall I agree - he was underwhelming.

 

[Last Monetarist]

He completely outfoxed the overrated Babar, but overall I agree - he was underwhelming.

Babar was unprepared for the series. He is pretty average against spin in general. A pretty cover drive doesn't necessarily imply a great batsman. At this stage, he'll do well to have a test career as good as Ian Bell.

 

[Square Drive]

He completely outfoxed the overrated Babar, but overall I agree - he was underwhelming.

You said not too long ago that Babar isn't overrated.

Mamoon strikes again.

 

[Mamoon]

You said not too long ago that Babar isn't overrated.

Mamoon strikes again.

I am deeply hurt with how he played in this series. He is one of the only few Pakistani players that I care about.

Babar, Shaheen, Rizwan and Yasir. Everyone else is useless and pathetic.

 

[Square Drive]

I am deeply hurt with how he played in this series. He is one of the only few Pakistani players that I care about.

Babar, Shaheen, Rizwan and Yasir. Everyone else is useless and pathetic.

So he's overrated based off of a 2-Test series - that too one where he made a comeback after injury?

Talk about being fickle. In that case, you are probably hurt by Yasir too for only taking 1 wicket in the 2nd Test.