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I think we should try Fakhar Zaman at number 6

And Shan Masood should open the batting with Imam Ul Haq...

What are your opinion guys?
 
wouldn't mind shan masood at number 5, can't do worse than malik

top order is fine
 
Should be dropped in any case. What is his role? He doesnt ball. We can play imad or shadab at 5. They wont do any worse.
 
1.Imam Ul Haq
2.Fakhar Zaman
3.Babar Azam
4.Mohammad Hafeez
5.Shan Masood
6.Mohammad Rizwan
7.Hussain Talat
8.Shadab Khan
9.Faheem Ashraf
10.Shaheen Afridi
11.Hasan Ali

Afridi
Ashraf
Hasan
Shadab
40 overs

the remaining from

Hafeez
Masood
Fakhar
Talat
 
Chokli said:
1.Imam Ul Haq
2.Fakhar Zaman
3.Babar Azam
4.Mohammad Hafeez
5.Shan Masood
6.Mohammad Rizwan
7.Hussain Talat
8.Shadab Khan
9.Faheem Ashraf
10.Shaheen Afridi
11.Hasan Ali

Afridi
Ashraf
Hasan
Shadab
40 overs

the remaining from

Hafeez
Masood
Fakhar
Talat
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Mohammed Amir in place of Faheem Ashraf
Even at his worst,Amir will bowl an ecomical spell and he is just as good batsman as Faheem Ashraf
 
Drop Imad for Amir/Shaheen should be the only change we make. Hafeez can play the role of a second spinner and we need another genuine fast bowling option. Especially since we're gonna need 4 quicks in England for the WC.
 
shady said:
Drop Imad for Amir/Shaheen should be the only change we make. Hafeez can play the role of a second spinner and we need another genuine fast bowling option. Especially since we're gonna need 4 quicks in England for the WC.
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Why should Shinwari play?

He has always failed against quality opposition, both Amir and Shaheen should play.
 
Imam ul Haq
Sarfraz Ahmed
Babar Azam
Shan Masood
Fakhar Zaman
Mohammad Hafeez
Shoaib Malik
Faheem Ashraf
Shadab Khan
Hasan Ali
Mohammad Amir
 
Fakhar Zaman
Imam Ul Haq
Babar Azam
Mohammad Hafeez
Shoaib Malik
Sarfraz Ahmed
Shadab Khan
Faheem Ashraf
Mohammad Amir
Hasan Ali
Shaheen Afridi
 
Arsalan Pro said:
Why should Shinwari play?

He has always failed against quality opposition, both Amir and Shaheen should play.
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If we were playing a WC game, I'd take Shaheen over Shinwari. But since these ODI's are mostly just preparation, I think it makes sense to test out Shinwari and see if he should be in the WC squad over Junaid and others. Also he's the only quick we have who can reach 150kph, so he should be persisted with even if he fails here and there. His pace might be useful on flat English pitches.
 
Shan Masood should only replace Shoaib Malik in this team, but that seems impossible right now.

Imad Wasim is a useless bowler as well as batsman, Usman Shinwari can only bowl well against minnows.

Mohammad Amir and Shaheen Afridi should come in and strengthen our bowling
 
Talat in for Imad (not sure if I posted this earlier or not, but initially I was thinking Talat for Faheem; correcting myself now).

Shinwari should probably get another game. Unfair to give him just one game. But I wouldn't mind Amir/Shaheen replacing him.

Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Hafeez
Talat
Malik
Sarfraz
Shadab
Faheem
Hasan
Shinwari
 
I would drop Shinwari for SSA. Rest, i will keep the same. Want to give Imad another chance although i do see his future in t20Is than ODIs.
 
They probably will go with the unchanged side even though I would drop Imad for another pacer. Maybe drop Faheem and Malik.
 
hopefully Sarfraz sticks to his word and experiments a little.

Would be great to see some combination of Talat, Rizwan, Shaheen, Amir come in for the next game.

They can do without Imad, Hassan can be rested too.
 
Shaheen or Amir should play in the next match. Probably in place of Hasan who might need a rest.
 
Rizwan is in good form so I would be tempted to bring him in for Imad and bring Shaheen in for Usman.

Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Hafeez
Malik
Rizwan
Sarfraz
Shadab
Faheem
Hassan
Shaheen

Batting till 10 and Rizwan is a gun fielder as well
 
Masood in Imad out.
Amir in Shinwari out.
Talat in Ashraf out.

Just to check Pakistan’s squad depth.
 
Mueez said:
Masood in Imad out.
Amir in Shinwari out.
Talat in Ashraf out.

Just to check Pakistan’s squad depth.
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nah imam needs to play, he needs to prove he can be consistent against top sides
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Mohammed Amir in place of Faheem Ashraf
Even at his worst,Amir will bowl an ecomical spell and he is just as good batsman as Faheem Ashraf
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One bad game doesn't mean Faheem gets dropped, he's been one of the best bowlers in the team.
 
Even though it is unfair to drop shinwari I would still drop him based on his performances as well. Also drop Imad for Shan. Hafeez can bowl just as well as Imad. SA will score 320 next match If we keep same bowling line up.
 
we somehow manage to bring in shan Masood in the middle order or at the top order but I am afraid it will not happen as Sarfraz would like to carry the winning 11

I would prefer this lineup to feature in next game

Fakhar
Imam
Babar
Hafeez
Shan
Malik
Sarfraz
Faheem / Imad
Shadab
Hassan / Amir
Shaheen
 
Shame Shan will not get a look in now. His pull and cut shot ( not to mention LISTA form) are acute above anything imam can offer, and his running between the wickets is better than imam as well.
Was hoping he would make his mark by the end of this series looking unlikely now.
And no he shouldn't replace FZ. FZ has to play until or unless he has a nervous breakdown
 
My team tryna keep it as realistic as possible.

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Imam-Ul-Haq
3. Babar Azam
4. Mohammad Hafeez
5. Shoaib Malik
6. Sarfraz Ahmed (C) (WK)
7. Shadab Khan
8. Imad Wasim / Faheem Ashraf (Dependent on Conditions)
9. Mohammad Amir
10. Hasan Ali
11. Shaheen Shah Afridi

I feel our bowling apart from Shadab and Hasan wasn't up to the mark that it should've been this game. Yes we restricted them to 266 but that was in large to Hasan and Shadab. Look at Faheem and Shinwari's numbers. Hasan/Shaheen/Amir/Shadab is a Killer LOI bowling attack. In this game we rested two of our best bowlers and still ended up winning. If we had Amir and Shaheen we could have done even better. Honestly saying that we shouldn't change a winning combo is ridiculous. Even when you win you should try to look for your weaknesses and eliminate them before you end up losing. Hopefully we aren't foolish and make the right decision of playing our full strength bowling attack in Durban
 
Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Hafeez
Malik
Sarfraz
Shadab
Faheem
Hasan
Shaheen
Shinwari - gets another chance.

Hafeez should bowl a few more overs next game.
 
QalandarFan said:
My team tryna keep it as realistic as possible.

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Imam-Ul-Haq
3. Babar Azam
4. Mohammad Hafeez
5. Shoaib Malik
6. Sarfraz Ahmed (C) (WK)
7. Shadab Khan
8. Imad Wasim / Faheem Ashraf (Dependent on Conditions)
9. Mohammad Amir
10. Hasan Ali
11. Shaheen Shah Afridi

I feel our bowling apart from Shadab and Hasan wasn't up to the mark that it should've been this game. Yes we restricted them to 266 but that was in large to Hasan and Shadab. Look at Faheem and Shinwari's numbers. Hasan/Shaheen/Amir/Shadab is a Killer LOI bowling attack. In this game we rested two of our best bowlers and still ended up winning. If we had Amir and Shaheen we could have done even better. Honestly saying that we shouldn't change a winning combo is ridiculous. Even when you win you should try to look for your weaknesses and eliminate them before you end up losing. Hopefully we aren't foolish and make the right decision of playing our full strength bowling attack in Durban
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Yea I think that would be our ideal team for the WC. If Sarfraz finds his form somehow then I think he could bat 4 with Hafeez at 6. At the very least it’s a lot better than the embarrassing team we sent WC15
 
Chokli said:
1.Imam Ul Haq
2.Fakhar Zaman
3.Babar Azam
4.Mohammad Hafeez
5.Shan Masood
6.Mohammad Rizwan
7.Hussain Talat
8.Shadab Khan
9.Faheem Ashraf
10.Shaheen Afridi
11.Hasan Ali

Afridi
Ashraf
Hasan
Shadab
40 overs

the remaining from

Hafeez
Masood
Fakhar
Talat
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Perfect. That is the exact eleven I would have picked.
 
fluke said:
we somehow manage to bring in shan Masood in the middle order or at the top order but I am afraid it will not happen as Sarfraz would like to carry the winning 11

I would prefer this lineup to feature in next game

Fakhar
Imam
Babar
Hafeez
Shan
Malik
Sarfraz
Faheem / Imad
Shadab
Hassan / Amir
Shaheen
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Shan is not a middle order bat lol. He Needs to open
 
Pakistan needs to win one of the next 3 ODIs, the 5th match will be an epic final!

Losing the first game at home for any team is highly detrimental!
 
We need Shan in the team as he was the only one who was comfortable against the short ball.. We can go with this team in my opinion

1) Imam Ul Haq
2) Shan Masood
3) Babar Azam
4) Muhammad Hafeez
5) Sarfaraz Ahmed
6) Fakhar Zaman
7) Shadab Khan
8) Faheem Ashraf
9) Muhammad Amir
10) Hasan Ali
11) Shaheen Shah Afridi
 
Faheem has failed to impress. Amir should be brought back. Other than that, keep the same XI.
 
We're going to play Malik and Hafeez regardless. So realistically I'd like to play

1. Imam
2. Shan
3. Fakhar
4. Babar
5. Hafeez
6. Malik
7. Sarfraz
8. Shadab
9. Hasan
10. Amir
11. Shaheen

I think it needs to be a priority to give Masood a go. He looked comfortable in SA tests, and it's 50 overs where he really set the world alight in domestic. Not ideal to have top 3 left handers, but it'll have to do.

I don't think Imad's going to be great in SA, and if both Malik and Hafeez are playing, with Shan and Fakhar able to bowl too, think we don't need a fifth bowler. If Imad is going to be 5th bowler over a bat he really has to excel. Also partly down to Sarfraz who continues to be poor with the bat, Sarfraz at 6 just makes the batting to weak, too much reliance on the top order. At least at 7 he's not going to be so much of a burden for the batting.
 
Pakistan vs South Africa | 2nd ODI | What changes would you make?

#1. Replace Sarfaraz with Rizwan (a wish that will never come true)

As much as I'd like to replace Sarfaraz with Rizwan (since Sarfaraz is a liability with the bat now and Rizwan is in good form) I know this won't happen

#2. Replace Shinwari with Shaheen Afridi


It is brutally unfair to keep Shaheen (the Man of the Series in the previous ODI series v NZ) outside of the playing XI.

Shinwari did not bowl with the same pace as he was bowling in BBL (I did not see any 145-150kmph thunderbolts)

Shaheen is a more attacking & wicket taking bowler. And clearly we saw in the 1st ODI that how much we need wickets.

This defensive bowling does not work all the time.

#3. Replace Imad Wasim with Shaan Masood

I am always a fan of giving chances to players who are in good form and Shaan clearly is in the form of his life right now. So we should make the best use of that.

Plus he is undoubtedly the fittest guy in the team.

Our bowling attack will do just fine without Imad
(Afridi, Hassan, Faheem, Shadab, Hafeez, with part-time bowling by Malik, Fakhar)

Playing XI:

1.Imam ul Haq
2.Fakhar Zaman
3.Shan Masood
4.Babar Azam
5.Mohd. Hafeez
6.Shoaib Malik
7.Mohd. Rizwan
8.Shadab Khan
9.Faheem Ashraf
10.Hassan Ali
11.Shaheen Afridi
 
Chokli said:
yeah he can't do worse than malik at 5
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If Shan plays then you could move Hafeez to 5. That shouldn't be an issue.

But Pak management will never drop a senior like Malik unless he is 'injured'.

Shan is in the form of his life and we can not make use of it. What a tragedy.
 
I rate Shan highly but please don't ruin him by playing him in all sorts of positions, first he batted at number 3 in tests then went to opener, now you guys want him to bat at 5.

He would be a very good opener but currently Fakhar and Imam look settled.
 
I'd expect Amir and Shaheen to come in for Usman and Imad.

Considering how many games Sarfraz has played without any rest and playing in every format, he should honestly considering resting himself. Wicket keeping does wear you down and it might be why his batting has been down for the past 2 years or so. Rizwan is a capable bat. Unlikely this would happen until the series is won but this is something they should try.

I'd even go as far as to say he should skip the meaningless PSL altogether and even the Australia series in UAE and focus on being fully rested for the England tour/WC.
 
A specialist bowler (maybe Shaheen) in for Imad.
Maybe Amir for Shinwari
 
You are forgetting THE golden rule of Pakistan cricket.

“Thou shall not tinker with the winning combination”.
 
Fskhar
Imam
Shan
Babar
Hafeez
Malik
Sarfaraz
Shadab
Hassan
Amir
Afridi
Bit ideally if would have asif ali to play at no 6 or no 7 and everybofy moving up 1 spot
 
I think, they'll drop Shinwari and might drop Imad as well - Amir & Shahin are two obvious changes. May be dropping Malik for Shan isn't a bad idea but Malik is senior.

St. Georges Park is very much SRL (Palekelle) type wicket, which is much faster & bouncier than UAE, but the slowest & lowest of SAF track - an absolute perfect track for PAK team. Kingsmead is different than St. Georges, more like Brisbane type wicket.

This game, I'll back SAF to win.
 
CricketingMinds said:
#1. Replace Sarfaraz with Rizwan (a wish that will never come true)

As much as I'd like to replace Sarfaraz with Rizwan (since Sarfaraz is a liability with the bat now and Rizwan is in good form) I know this won't happen

#2. Replace Shinwari with Shaheen Afridi


It is brutally unfair to keep Shaheen (the Man of the Series in the previous ODI series v NZ) outside of the playing XI.

Shinwari did not bowl with the same pace as he was bowling in BBL (I did not see any 145-150kmph thunderbolts)

Shaheen is a more attacking & wicket taking bowler. And clearly we saw in the 1st ODI that how much we need wickets.

This defensive bowling does not work all the time.

#3. Replace Imad Wasim with Shaan Masood

I am always a fan of giving chances to players who are in good form and Shaan clearly is in the form of his life right now. So we should make the best use of that.

Plus he is undoubtedly the fittest guy in the team.

Our bowling attack will do just fine without Imad
(Afridi, Hassan, Faheem, Shadab, Hafeez, with part-time bowling by Malik, Fakhar)

Playing XI:

1.Imam ul Haq
2.Fakhar Zaman
3.Shan Masood
4.Babar Azam
5.Mohd. Hafeez
6.Shoaib Malik
7.Mohd. Rizwan
8.Shadab Khan
9.Faheem Ashraf
10.Hassan Ali
11.Shaheen Afridi
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Your essay was going alright untill your droped babar at 4 to accommodate shaan at 3.
Babar has earned this spot. And no one can snatch this no.3 from him.
As far shan he can play at 4
 
Chokli said:
why cant he bat in the middle?
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He is an opener and with his new found pull and cut, he has to bat in the top 10, we already have too many accumulators in the middle. I think Shan can score rapidly fairly risk free in the top 10 overs when the field is up.
And hafeez Malik and even sarfaraz can dominate spinners better.
Let's stop putting the square pegs in round holes
 
Fakhar
Nephew/Son (doesn't matter)
Imad/Rizwan
Hafeez
Sarfraz
Malik
Shadab
Rizwan/Imad
Faheem
Hasan
Shaheen
 
If Faheem takes the new ball. He needs to pitch the ball up, dont understand the point of bowling new ball and bowling back of the length. He can do better than that . Looks threatening when bowls good length or little fuller than that

Bowling coach is doing a poor job at the moment.
 
MMHS said:
I think, they'll drop Shinwari and might drop Imad as well - Amir & Shahin are two obvious changes. May be dropping Malik for Shan isn't a bad idea but Malik is senior.

St. Georges Park is very much SRL (Palekelle) type wicket, which is much faster & bouncier than UAE, but the slowest & lowest of SAF track - an absolute perfect track for PAK team. Kingsmead is different than St. Georges, more like Brisbane type wicket.

This game, I'll back SAF to win.
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You backed SA to win yesterday if they set a target around 270, what happened?
 
Play the same team.
Batting did well and bowlers did well too on a slow track where all the faster pacemen from both sides went for runs...
 
Square Drive said:
Talat in for Imad (not sure if I posted this earlier or not, but initially I was thinking Talat for Faheem; correcting myself now).

Shinwari should probably get another game. Unfair to give him just one game. But I wouldn't mind Amir/Shaheen replacing him.

Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Hafeez
Talat
Malik
Sarfraz
Shadab
Faheem
Hasan
Shinwari
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Agree with this. Ideally replace Malik with Amir/Shaheen but he's not going anywhere...

Shan should also get a chance at some point.
 
IAJ said:
You backed SA to win yesterday if they set a target around 270, what happened?
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Re-read the match thread if you are in need of a laugh. The number of posters with egg on their faces...

By contrast, special mention to [MENTION=142432]Titan24[/MENTION] who was pretty much spot on with what he said in match thread yesterday.
 
Team selection comes down to one question: What is the management's priority, winning the series or testing bench strength ahead of WC19?
 
shoaib malik should get kicked put of the team he's just s**T. Rather have Hafeez playing instead of him cos he can handle pace and doesn't take ages to accelerate like Malik who only milks spiners. Shan and rizwan should be given a go. For the world cup, the team should be:

1. fakhar zaman
2. imam
3. babar azam
4. Hafeez
5. Rizwan/Shan
6. Asif Ali
7. Sarfraz (mr undroppable)
8. shadab
9. faheem
10. Amir
11. Hasan

this team is very strong unlike the one with malik in it. Not too many accumulators and need someone like asif ali on flat pitches to accelerate. The whole team can bat as well. 2 and 2 all rounders bowlers bowl 40 overs and shan/hafeez/fakhar share 10 overs. This team gives me more hope than one with malik in it. can't stand him.
 
2nd Match playing 11,

01.Imam Ul Haq
02.Fakhar Zaman
03.Babar Azam
04.Mohammad Hafeez
05.Hussain Talat
06.Shoaib Malik(C)
07.Mohammad Rizwan (Wk)
08.Shadab Khan
09.Hasan Ali
10.Mohammad Amir
11.Shaheen Shah Afridi
 
Since 2009, the average 1st innings total in Durban is 282 so the ball comes onto the bat quicker compared to the slower, almost Asian-style pitch in Port Elizabeth.

That means there will be a greater responsibility on the batsmen.
 
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IAJ said:
You backed SA to win yesterday if they set a target around 270, what happened?
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If you are asking for the result, I guess you know it by now. However, I think you are misquoting me here which has got a troll a bit excited - I NEVER SAID SOUTH AFRICA WILL WIN IF PAK SET'S A TARGET AROUND 270- this is exactly what was my post, in response to your post, where your suggested SAF will need another 160+ in their last 15 overs (which makes the target around 320-325 ...

"Won't - PAK opening pacers bowled poor, hence we are thinking it a 350 wicket - 270 will be more than competitive here. Once the ball lost it's shine, it's not coming on to bat and the 2 genuine bowlers PAK picked bowled really well, 3rd one is doing now with old ball".

I hope, you do understand the difference between "Back to win" and "more than competitive". And, regarding to this thread, the first comment of that game thread on mine was this -

"PAK has never lost to SAF on this ground in ODI. It’s one of the slowest & lowest wickets in SAF, made for Malik, Hafeez."

:) any way, never mind.
 
We should play -

Imam
Fakhar
Bobby
Hafeez
Shan
Sarfi (c)(k)
Shady
Faheem
Amir
Hasan
Shaheen
 
Please keep Imad Wasim out the next game and the series, he belongs nowhere near a team playing 50 overs on a seamers track/fast bouncy track. And he does not make the team on his batting.
 
Typical of Pakistan fans underestimating a player who makes an impact.

Imad wasim was vital in creating pressure through dot balls. Fans are totally ignoring that and want to include Amir or Shan in place of him? What's Amir done in last year in ODI? Shan should come in for opener imam there's no point in including him otherwise. SA always struggle against spin Shadab-Hafeez-Imad combination shouldn't be touched in coming few ODIs at least
 
The biggest issue in the team is the lack of a batting all rounder . .
Faheem Ashraf is not good enough to be playing as the 3rd seamer so has to play as a 4th pacer . . but his batting really worries me!! Hence, for me there is no space for Faheem Ashraf in my team . . I'd rather have hussain talat who is better with the bat . .

Although I think Imad Wasims bolwing is not very useful on these pitches (and in england either), I would still ahve him over Faheem . . again . . because he is a much better batsman than Faheem

Pakistan needs to sort out that part of the team!
 
I am shocked by the 266/2 bit . This is the lowest score a side batting 1st for full 50 overs with loss of under 3 wickets has ever scored .Very perplexing , they had the platform for 300 which would have won them the game . Not watched a ball incidentally .
 
ILcricket said:
I am shocked by the 266/2 bit . This is the lowest score a side batting 1st for full 50 overs with loss of under 3 wickets has ever scored .Very perplexing , they had the platform for 300 which would have won them the game . Not watched a ball incidentally .
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They were caught off guard by PAK's tactics & old ball skill - they set a perfect platform to reach 300+ at 35th over mark, but PAK bowled well, fielded brilliantly and Amla was desperate for his hundred (& preserving average). Without Kock, SAF's batting fire power starts from 4 - Faf, Miller, Klaasen, in total Miller batted 10-12 balls.
 
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