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After a thrilling opener in Durban, South Africa will aim to carry their momentum into Centurion to secure the series, with their players looking in fine form. On the other hand, Pakistan’s combination still appears uncertain as they struggle to adapt to the modern T20 gameplay. They will look to make a strong comeback in this match to keep the series alive.


Squads

Pakistan: Mohammad Rizwan (C & wk), Abrar Ahmed, Babar Azam, Haris Rauf, Jahandad Khan, Mohammad Abbas Afridi, Mohammad Hasnain, Muhammad Irfan Khan, Omair Bin Yousuf, Saim Ayub, Salman Ali Agha, Shaheen Shah Afridi, Sufyan Moqim, Tayyab Tahir and Usman Khan (wk)

South Africa: Heinrich Klaasen (C), Ottneil Baartman, Matthew Breetzke, Donovan Ferreira, Reeza Hendricks, Patrick Kruger, George Linde, Kwena Maphaka, Anrich Nortjé, Nqaba Peter, Ryan Rickelton, Tabraiz Shamsi*, Andile Simelane, Rassie van der Dussen


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Saim to open with Babar
Rizwan at 3
Replace Usman or Tayab with Omair
And Irfan needs to bat higher
 
Haha... Pakistan lost to South Africa'B'.just waste of time watching pak play T20. The previous match was lost by timid batting approach of Rizwan who played a lot of dot balls. C'mon when u play T20 like test, even zimbabwe beat u.
It is hard to believe that Pakistan doesn't have T20 batters, why do they persist with hacks like usman(who won't even qualify for playing club team in India). Why was irfan playing if he comes to bat after shaheen?? Common sense ka murder ha.
My suggestion would be radical change in batting order and hitters should play up the order. My batting order will be like
Babar
Saim
Irfan khan
Tayyab Tahir
Rizwan
For me Pakistan hasn't selected in team a batter who can bat at 6.Both usman and salman don't even qualify for to be in pak team. Pakistan is one batter short in this series.
 
Rizwan should drop himself along with Zimbabar and that hack Usman(ugliest batsman ever,he is a shame to batsmanship)

It boils my blood to see these losers.

Saim should open for sure.He is the only good T20 batsman in the team.
 
I know Rizwan is gonna play so:

Saim Babar should open
Riz at 3
Omair in for Usman
Tayyab
Irfan
Shaheen
Haris
Abbas
Abrar
Jahandad khan
 
Omair
Saim
Bobsy
Tayyab
Irfan
Riz
Abbas
Jahandad
Shaheen
Rauf
Abrar

No chance of a victory with that batting lineup though
 
Kianig89 said:
Very tough for Pakistan even SA tailenders are better than our batsmen
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Our bowlers got smoked by Linde..LOL
what else is left to say now.

I think we should not play 2 spinners in SA. that was not needed
 
Pakistan deserves to lose after dropping a premier batsman Fakhar zaman due to politics.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Our bowlers got smoked by Linde..LOL
what else is left to say now.

I think we should not play 2 spinners in SA. that was not needed
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India played 3 spinners in SA and still won.

It's the batting and the quality of spinners that matters.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
India played 3 spinners in SA and still won.

It's the batting and the quality of spinners that matters.
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Bowling a rookie in the death overs was criminal. A fast bowler would have done a better job there.

I will rest Sufiyan in the next game for jahandad
 
With Babar and Rizwan in our T20 team, it’s fair to say this is our C team. Look at the positives, we almost won a game chasing 180+ with Babar getting out for a duck and Rizwan scoring at a strike rate 80 odd for most of his innings.

Replace these 2 with Harris and Fakhar and you’ve got a team that can compete with the best. They won’t be consistent like Babar and Rizwan mostly because they won’t play for their rankings and averages.

Saim Ayub
Mohammad Haris (wk)
Fakhar Zaman (c)
Tayyab Tahir
Usman Khan
Haidar Ali😬
Asif Ali

That should’ve been our batting line up in this series.
 
@shaz619

I didn't watch the T20 ball by ball (I hardly watch T20s, even WC games), but I was following the scores. I wrote that Riz alone finished PAK's chase by the time game was into 9th/10th over and he was like 46 of 50 or so. I did explain later what went wrong, but that doesn't excuse Rizwan. Having said that, he is still one of the best players of the team and PAK will need him to fire if they are to win this series where SAF had rested their first set of back-up bowlers as well.
 
MMHS said:
@shaz619

I didn't watch the T20 ball by ball (I hardly watch T20s, even WC games), but I was following the scores. I wrote that Riz alone finished PAK's chase by the time game was into 9th/10th over and he was like 46 of 50 or so. I did explain later what went wrong, but that doesn't excuse Rizwan. Having said that, he is still one of the best players of the team and PAK will need him to fire if they are to win this series where SAF had rested their first set of back-up bowlers as well.
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Why are you insistent on bringing Pakistan cricket down to Bangladesh’s level?
 
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YousafTheBeast said:
With Babar and Rizwan in our T20 team, it’s fair to say this is our C team. Look at the positives, we almost won a game chasing 180+ with Babar getting out for a duck and Rizwan scoring at a strike rate 80 odd for most of his innings.

Replace these 2 with Harris and Fakhar and you’ve got a team that can compete with the best. They won’t be consistent like Babar and Rizwan mostly because they won’t play for their rankings and averages.

Saim Ayub
Mohammad Haris (wk)
Fakhar Zaman (c)
Tayyab Tahir
Usman Khan
Haidar Ali😬
Asif Ali

That should’ve been our batting line up in this series.
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What's hack Usman doing here
 
Pakistan might be the only test playing nation which plays its full strength team in T20s.

How are they supposed to groom youngsters no one knows. Always gonna be a mediocre team with that mindset.
 
Rana said:
Why are you insistent on bringing Pakistan cricket down to Bangladesh’s level?
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Are we at Bangladesh level? They did smack us black and blue in a test series 🤣.

Infact i actually have alot of respect for Liton Das. He's a decent keeper. He ain't a world beater or anything but I wouldn't mind having him as a keeper batsmen in pakistan team.
 
Don't have much interest in T20s, but PAK's batting lineup for T20 is ill planned - you can't put two similar type of righthanders as openers, who happens to be top two bulk scorers as well at 1-2.

It has two consequences - 1. None of these two openers are blasters to score 30 of 14-15 balls - so, their play book is quite simpleton ... play till 10-12th overs at 6-7 rate and then expect to add another 100 in last 10. When the target (doesn't matter batting first or second - there is always a per target) is reasonable for the playing condition, PAK looks extremely solid. For example, had SAF not added 20 extra yesterday for 2 wickets, I am sure PAK would have won it by 8 or 9 wickets with one of RizBar into a nice 75+, or even both. 2. This makes the team a sort of vulnerable (read scared) if there is an early wicket - the remaining one of the pair goes into shell to play out the overs, others are not good enough to play long innings. This is exactly what happened in first game - otherwise Saim did cover for Rizwan, but couldn't carry beyond 31.

This is a bit experimental series, therefore won't judge much, but this is also true SAF is well, well under strength in bowling particularly and PAK was simply outclassed in Australia, which again was a compromised T20 XI for Aussies. But, for serious games, RizBar opening pair won't serve and I think teams have figured PAK batting out also - team is extremely careful (I say sacred) of loosing early wickets (as they have put almost every hope on # 1 & 2), so they start to choke PAK batting early, which is interpreted by fans as stat padding batting. I am sure PCT reads these posts, discusses among themselves as well, but it'll not change unless the play book is changed. If I were the manager and put RizBar opener, I would have asked the same also and put pressure on bowling to restrict the target to a manageable proportion.

What's the alternate - well, obviously I don't believe that there are Richards and Gilchrists wait for the selectors mercy, therefore the solution has to come from within what is already there.

First thing, PAK needs to believe that they are a bowling team - won't ever win series (odd game is different) the way AUS, IND or ENG does. To simplify, even on an absolute batting belter, I believe PAK has a better chance to defend (or restrict target) 170, rather than chasing/posting 210. PCT must make sure that they have at least 16 overs worth of bowling picked based on pure bowling merit.

Regarding batting line-up, RizBar can't open together - two similar right handers and they are getting predictable. Of the two, I drop Riz at 4 like ODIs (actually, instead of Abdullah, Babar should open in ODI also), open with Babar/Saim and play Fakhar at 3 (if he is allowed to return). Riz at 4 to play the spinners and 5-7 are hitters, preferably proper hitters.

As of now, this will be my XI
Babar, Saim
FZ, *Riz+
Hitter, Hitter (don't know who, Usman is not one)
Shadab
Shaheen, Rauf, Naseem
A proper spinner who can flight and turn, instead of darting around. Or a 4th pacer, Saim can roll arms for spin.
 
MMHS said:
As of now, this will be my XI
Babar, Saim
FZ, *Riz+
Hitter, Hitter (don't know who, Usman is not one)
Shadab
Shaheen, Rauf, Naseem
A proper spinner who can flight and turn, instead of darting around. Or a 4th pacer, Saim can roll arms for spin.
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6-700 words of absolute waffle to then come up with a line up of Babar and Saim as a T20 opening pair? Why are you insistent on over dramatic nonsense?

CRICKET ISNT AS COMPLICATED AS YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT SEEM!!!

Why can’t you understand this?? It’s a ‘see ball, hit ball game’!
 
MMHS said:
@shaz619

I didn't watch the T20 ball by ball (I hardly watch T20s, even WC games), but I was following the scores. I wrote that Riz alone finished PAK's chase by the time game was into 9th/10th over and he was like 46 of 50 or so. I did explain later what went wrong, but that doesn't excuse Rizwan. Having said that, he is still one of the best players of the team and PAK will need him to fire if they are to win this series where SAF had rested their first set of back-up bowlers as well.
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Having said that, he is still one of the best players of the team.

No he isn't. Averaging igher then someone or performing more consistently doesnt make you the better player.

By this logic we wpuld have

Rizwan > Travis Head
rizwan > Fakhar Zaman
Rizwan > Sky as a t20 batsmen
Rizwan > Harry Brooks in whiteball
Rizwan > Rachin Ravindra

Infact pretty sure Rizwan would be > Every single t20 batter on the planet atm because after kohli's retirement I don't know if any other t20 player who has played 100+ t20 games averages 47.

Pakistan needs saim ayub to fire in order to win. To win a t20 game you need to hope that your most destructive batter fires, not your highest Averaging.
 
Some posters are messing up every thread we have.

This thread is about what team combination etc for next game.

Don't post in it if you are going to discuss irrelevant stuff.
 
It would be a great achievement now if Pakistan managed to win this T20I series now. Let themselves down yesterday, proteas in full swing now
 
Saim Ayub is an opener he should open, hopefully Naqvi will make a call or voice note, Omair to replace Usman.

Team may look like this

Saim
Omair
Babar
TT
Irfan
Rizwan
JK
Abass
SSA
Abrar
Muqeem
 
If Pakistan wants any chance of winning, they should consider the following playing XI:

  1. Saim Ayub
  2. Umair Yousaf
  3. Babar Azam
  4. Usman Khan
  5. Salman Ali Agha
  6. Tayab Tahir
  7. Irfan Niazi
  8. Muhammad Rizwan
  9. Abbas Afridi
  10. Shaheen Shah Afridi
  11. Haris Rauf/jahandad khan
Salman Ali Agha should be included for his spin and batting, although his batting hasn't been very reliable.
Rizwan should not be trusted at the top due to his slow, "tuk-tuk" style of play.
 
Why have the stuffed the team with so many spinners in south africa.

Surely the pitches in south africa are suited to pace bowling?
 
emranabbas said:
If Pakistan wants any chance of winning, they should consider the following playing XI:

  1. Saim Ayub
  2. Umair Yousaf
  3. Babar Azam
  4. Usman Khan
  5. Salman Ali Agha
  6. Tayab Tahir
  7. Irfan Niazi
  8. Muhammad Rizwan
  9. Abbas Afridi
  10. Shaheen Shah Afridi
  11. Haris Rauf/jahandad khan
Salman Ali Agha should be included for his spin and batting, although his batting hasn't been very reliable.
Rizwan should not be trusted at the top due to his slow, "tuk-tuk" style of play.
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Excellent line up with 8 overs being bowled by Salman and Saim.
 
emranabbas said:
If Captain Clueless plans to give 8 overs of spin to Abrar and Muqeem, it would be better to give those overs to Salman and Saim instead.
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So instead you came up with an even worse suggestion than captain clueless. Takes some doing.
 
emranabbas said:
If Pakistan wants any chance of winning, they should consider the following playing XI:

  1. Saim Ayub
  2. Umair Yousaf
  3. Babar Azam
  4. Usman Khan
  5. Salman Ali Agha
  6. Tayab Tahir
  7. Irfan Niazi
  8. Muhammad Rizwan
  9. Abbas Afridi
  10. Shaheen Shah Afridi
  11. Haris Rauf/jahandad khan
Salman Ali Agha should be included for his spin and batting, although his batting hasn't been very reliable.
Rizwan should not be trusted at the top due to his slow, "tuk-tuk" style of play.
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Salman Ali Agha is as useless as I am in cricket
 
Wonder if he'll see Jahandad come in for Sufiyan. It will give some batting depth.

This is a horrific squad though so it doesn't really matter who gets picked. All I want to see is RizBar opening pair being broken up.
 
Saim and babar should walk out to open. Rizwan makes no sense as an opener now. Only one of Babar and rizwan should open. No more RIZBABAR
 
SA kids are schooling this team, our recent T20 record

P 7 W 2 L 5

Under Rizwan

P4 W 0 L 4
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Surely if 6-0 happens egg on your F Naqvi
 
For pakistan to win
Saim and babar should open
And rizwan should start working on his bottle carrying skills.
He should only come on a field when there is a need of water water and only water.
 
Dafabet Warriors fast bowler Anrich Nortje has been ruled out of the remainder of the KFC T20 International (T20I) series against Pakistan and the proceeding three-match One-Day International series due to a left toe injury.

The 31-year-old was initially ruled out of the first KFC T20I on Tuesday after sustaining a contusion to his left big toe during training ahead of the opening match. Subsequent scans on Wednesday revealed a fracture. He will consult with a specialist orthopaedic surgeon to determine the recovery period.

Momentum Multiply Titans all-rounder Dayyaan Galiem has been named as his replacement for the remaining two T20Is at SuperSport Park in Centurion on Friday, 13 December and the DP World Wanderers Stadium in Johannesburg on Saturday, 14 December.
 
emranabbas said:
If Pakistan wants any chance of winning, they should consider the following playing XI:

  1. Saim Ayub
  2. Umair Yousaf
  3. Babar Azam
  4. Usman Khan
  5. Salman Ali Agha
  6. Tayab Tahir
  7. Irfan Niazi
  8. Muhammad Rizwan
  9. Abbas Afridi
  10. Shaheen Shah Afridi
  11. Haris Rauf/jahandad khan
Salman Ali Agha should be included for his spin and batting, although his batting hasn't been very reliable.
Rizwan should not be trusted at the top due to his slow, "tuk-tuk" style of play.
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the two Afridis can be moved higher in the line up
 
Kianig89 said:
SA kids are schooling this team, our recent T20 record

P 7 W 2 L 5

Under Rizwan

P4 W 0 L 4
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Surely if 6-0 happens egg on your F Naqvi
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Why is Naqvi to be blamed here when most fans wanted Rizwan as a skipper?
 
mominsaigol said:
Having said that, he is still one of the best players of the team.

No he isn't. Averaging igher then someone or performing more consistently doesnt make you the better player.

By this logic we wpuld have

Rizwan > Travis Head
rizwan > Fakhar Zaman
Rizwan > Sky as a t20 batsmen
Rizwan > Harry Brooks in whiteball
Rizwan > Rachin Ravindra

Infact pretty sure Rizwan would be > Every single t20 batter on the planet atm because after kohli's retirement I don't know if any other t20 player who has played 100+ t20 games averages 47.

Pakistan needs saim ayub to fire in order to win. To win a t20 game you need to hope that your most destructive batter fires, not your highest Averaging.
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You misunderstood my post bro - by “one of the best player of the team”, I meant one of the best player of Pakistan team - a team that has recently lost 0-2 at home in Test series to Bangladesh.

Rizwan is indeed better, much better player than Fakhar Zaman, for that he is the most consistent player for last 6/7 years, most regular as well & now appointed captain of the white ball team.

And, he is the only player from PAK who has a remote chance of making Australia, England or NZ squad….. for that matter, he doesn’t need to be better than Brooks, SKY, Head or RR.
 
Rana said:
6-700 words of absolute waffle to then come up with a line up of Babar and Saim as a T20 opening pair? Why are you insistent on over dramatic nonsense?

CRICKET ISNT AS COMPLICATED AS YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT SEEM!!!

Why can’t you understand this?? It’s a ‘see ball, hit ball game’!
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It went above your head, but not your fault. Cricket is a bit more complicated for you than “see ball, hit ball game”.
 
MMHS said:
It went above your head, but not your fault. Cricket is a bit more complicated for you than “see ball, hit ball game”.
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How do you write 3 paragraphs of tripe to then produce an argument that Pakistan’s openers should be Babar and Saim?

Wake up! It’s 2024, not 1984!
 
Please stay on topic and talk about the 2nd T20 game instead of personal stuff.
 
MMHS said:
Rizwan is indeed better, much better player than Fakhar Zaman, for that he is the most consistent player for last 6/7 years, most regular as well & now appointed captain of the white ball team.
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So Rizwan is a much better and consistent player than Head, Salt, Butler, DeQock?
 
who are pakistan power hitters Usman & Irfan, they are both hacks. Rizwan too slow for T20s , Babar seems out of nick, Agha is possibly the worst ever player to play T20s for Pakistan. Ifti Shadab Nawaz all are better than him. JK is still new
 
Rizwan might be part of the problem but he is not the main problem , stop being hyper critical. Sahibzada Farhan Usman Khan KG Shan Masood this is the level of talent in Pakistan
 
SA are too strong for this team specially at home , any victory will be an achievement
 
Kianig89 said:
SA are too strong for this team specially at hom
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What cricket are you watching? How many first teamers are SA missing?

DeQock
Rickleton
Stubbs
Jansen
Rabada
Maharaj


How is this SA team too strong for a Pakistan team with Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen? What dishonest narrative are you building now?
 
Rana said:
That doesn’t mean you should want Babar to open.
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Well, Babar is gonna play so he will play in top 3. Usman should be dropped for omair IMO and also open if riz can bat at 4
 
Rana said:
What cricket are you watching? How many first teamers are SA missing?

DeQock
Rickleton
Stubbs
Jansen
Rabada
Maharaj


How is this SA team too strong for a Pakistan team with Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen? What dishonest narrative are you building now?
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stating the facts, SA youngsters are better than our young lot.....Irfan Usman JK Abrar Agha are at par SA club players
 
Although I believe none of these reports, but apparently Omair will replace UK and open the innings with Babar dropping to 3

So what’s the new order?

Omair
Rizwan
Babar
Saim

????

This is the updated chawwal approach we will take going forward?
 
MMHS said:
You misunderstood my post bro - by “one of the best player of the team”, I meant one of the best player of Pakistan team - a team that has recently lost 0-2 at home in Test series to Bangladesh.

Rizwan is indeed better, much better player than Fakhar Zaman, for that he is the most consistent player for last 6/7 years, most regular as well & now appointed captain of the white ball team.

And, he is the only player from PAK who has a remote chance of making Australia, England or NZ squad….. for that matter, he doesn’t need to be better than Brooks, SKY, Head or RR.
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And that's what I'm saying, being more consistent doesn't mean better.

Rizwan is more consistent then Travis Head. Head is literally known for either getting out early or ensuring it's game over for the opposition. Only bumrah has shown to be able to get him out when he's onsong otherwise no one else.

Rizzu doesn't make it into anyone's t20 side. For odi you may have a case depending on form however his form has dwindled since he got captaincy.
 
Rana said:
Although I believe none of these reports, but apparently Omair will replace UK and open the innings with Babar dropping to 3

So what’s the new order?

Omair
Rizwan
Babar
Saim

????

This is the updated chawwal approach we will take going forward?
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Fakhar batted at 4. Saim is fakhar's natural replacement. Certified Future no 4 in t20 🤡.
 
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