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South Africa (183/9) secure an 11-run victory against Pakistan (172/8) in the 1st T20I to go 1-0 up in the 3-match series

No one in PCB or pakistan dug out will call out Rizwan!

Naqvi will be sold the lie that Rizwan is a ‘performer’

This is a performance? Worth what?
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Bishnoi and Varun both ran through SA at Durban picking 6 for 53 in 8 overs in the recent encounter
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Both far better bowlers than our ones. That's the problem our fans don't have much clue about cricket. 1 performance and they think we have found exceptional talents.
 
PakFan2010 said:
Rizwan is ridiculous.

A player who averages 50 in T20 cricket.

Imagine what he would go for in the IPL auction.

Probably a similar price to Kohli, who has similar stats in T20 international matches.
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More than Kohli as he can keep too and is also a better captain
 
People who want Rizwan don't get it. He has fool proof method of keeping his place with mediocre T20 knocks. It is an art. He makes sure he is the top scorer somehow.
 
Pakistan must tap into the tape ball curcuit and find people with hand eye coordination and work on their techniques rather than the other way around.
Seen some of these guys play local cricket and its easy to see why they are so bad, they just dont have the talent. Salman agha couldnt face anything quick with a tape ball and he is playing international cricket. So many others are the same.
 
Pakistan is the only team which takes the T-20 format so seriously. What was the basis for recalling Babar and Rizwan for the T-20 team? Every other side packs their team with youngsters and uses the format to test their bench strength.
 
Aah .... of course!

Hey day for the self proclaimed Pak supporters!

Mere tu wadda Pakistan da koi khair khwaa nai...blah blah blah...ha ha!
 
Savak said:
Pakistan is the only team which takes the T-20 format so seriously. What was the basis for recalling Babar and Rizwan for the T-20 team? Every other side packs their team with youngsters and uses the format to test their bench strength.
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You're right ... but they dont learn, still the seniors dont need to play all the games, but problems still exist with nos 5, 6 and 7 (even add 4 today) ... they lack the skill set or the confidence!

When 5, 6 and 7 will make 30 runs in the last 2 overs chasing and win, then we'll have a team who is worth a shout!

Buy hey ho...
 
High average at a low strike rate is criminal in t20 cricket. It just means you are wasting balls longer
 
Rizwan was even struggling to statpad against aus in recent t20 series.Just like rizwan Bng players were happily stat padding instead of chasing against India in last 4 or 5 t20 encounters.Some should dig up the stats of player with highest score and ending up on the loosing side( especially t20s).He must have drowned pak than he ever won.By the way actually has he won anything noteworthy against opponent with best eleven. He is a choker and more dangerously statpadder.
 
Don't think SA could've won against any team other than Pakistan with the team they fielded today... shameful!
 
Rana said:
Here comes another one now who has an issue with Rizwan having been those who praised him as if he is Gilchrist+Boucher in one
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I challenge you here - if you have any guts, show my post where I had praised him like Boucher, let alone Gilchrist, I do understand my cricket, at least I do know who was Gilchrist and who is Rizwan.

I don't have any issues with Rizwan, not in past, not even now - he is still the MVP of PAK team, only PAK player who has a remote chance of making world XI on playing merit and he is leading the side well, though I never liked WK as Captain. He won many games for PAK and served the team in multiple key roles - WK, Opener, No. 4, No. 7 and now as Captain - more or less he is the most consistent performer in last 5/6 years. Today was an off day, so he got his fair share of criticism and he'll get his praise if he performs next day.

Eventually, even today, he did enough to justify his place - 74 of 62 at the end doesn't look that bad like 45 of 50, chasing 183. But, his innings planning was wrong and partial blame goes to management as well - eventually, PAK ended up playing 20 overs with wickets in hand and only 11 short, means that chase wasn't well planned.

What do you expect - praise or criticize consistently to prove my point correct?
 
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Not to justify Rizwan, but I think today PAK's plot went wrong from Babar's dismissal. PAK plays T20 putting every batting egg in one basket means by far top two batsmen as openers and it did work actually - PAK's only win against India in WC came through this pair, made another T2 final with them opening and more or less they are consistent.

Look, 48/125 & 40/129 for over 7500 runs is quite good stats, particularly for PAK players who played few games at UAE tracks where average per score is 20-25 less. But, PAK doesn't have anyone in middle to play longer innings - 20/30 is the range for No. 3-6; means if openers don't put a significant partnership upfront, momentum can't be maintained by middle order. Today, Babar got out quickly, which made Rizwan extra cautious and I believe team management was also aligned. What cost PAK was the 4th partnership between well set Rizwan & Tahir - 35 runs in 29 balls I think, when asking was 10+. Had Rizwan planned to bat out 20 overs, then he should have asked Tahir to go after.

Overall, it was a massive miscalculation against what was probably SAF's third set of bowlers.
 
MMHS said:
As usual talking nonsense.

I challenge you here - if you have any shame or guts, show my post where I had praised him like Boucher, let alone Gilchrist, otherwise don't bother to tag my post, you are disgusting even to respond. I do understand my cricket, at least I do know who was Gilchrist and who is Rizwan.

I don't have any issues with Rizwan, not in past, not even now - he is still the MVP of PAK team, only PAK player who has a remote chance of making world XI on playing merit and he is leading the side well, though I never liked WK as Captain. He won many games for PAK and served the team in multiple key roles - WK, Opener, No. 4, No. 7 and now as Captain - more or less he is the most consistent performer in last 5/6 years. Today was an off day, so he got his fair share of criticism and he'll get his praise if he performs next day.

Eventually, even today, he did enough to justify his place - 74 of 62 at the end doesn't look that bad like 45 of 50, chasing 183. But, his innings planning was wrong and partial blame goes to management as well - eventually, PAK ended up playing 20 overs with wickets in hand and only 11 short, means that chase wasn't well planned.

What do you expect - praise or criticize consistently to prove my point correct?
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As a lurker for years you are by far the best poster here. A real shame you don't post often these days which is understandable due to the quality of posters here.
 
Mohammad Rizwan in a post match ceremony:

"There were a lot of positive aspects in this game, and the innings of David Miller and George Linde were the game changers. Credit must be given to these two players."

"We took early wickets but Miller's innings shifted the momentum in their favor."

"Our bowling lineup performed well. We've seen the stats showing that spinners don't usually do well on this ground, but our spinners made good use of the conditions and the wicket."

"Our middle order is quite inexperienced but we fought well and we will try perform better in the upcoming matches."
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Mohammad Rizwan in a post match ceremony:

"There were a lot of positive aspects in this game, and the innings of David Miller and George Linde were the game changers. Credit must be given to these two players."

"We took early wickets but Miller's innings shifted the momentum in their favor."

"Our bowling lineup performed well. We've seen the stats showing that spinners don't usually do well on this ground, but our spinners made good use of the conditions and the wicket."

"Our middle order is quite inexperienced but we fought well and we will try perform better in the upcoming matches."
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Bro all u did was tuktuk… mind as well wear I love Misbah tuktuk shirt
 
MMHS said:
As usual talking nonsense.

I challenge you here - if you have any shame or guts, show my post where I had praised him like Boucher, let alone Gilchrist, otherwise don't bother to tag my post, you are disgusting even to respond. I do understand my cricket, at least I do know who was Gilchrist and who is Rizwan.

I don't have any issues with Rizwan, not in past, not even now - he is still the MVP of PAK team, only PAK player who has a remote chance of making world XI on playing merit and he is leading the side well, though I never liked WK as Captain. He won many games for PAK and served the team in multiple key roles - WK, Opener, No. 4, No. 7 and now as Captain - more or less he is the most consistent performer in last 5/6 years. Today was an off day, so he got his fair share of criticism and he'll get his praise if he performs next day.

Eventually, even today, he did enough to justify his place - 74 of 62 at the end doesn't look that bad like 45 of 50, chasing 183. But, his innings planning was wrong and partial blame goes to management as well - eventually, PAK ended up playing 20 overs with wickets in hand and only 11 short, means that chase wasn't well planned.

What do you expect - praise or criticize consistently to prove my point correct?
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Sorry but am not sure you watched the match, I knew those who didn’t, could easily fall into the trap of being fooled by his scorecard batting, but after the 10th over the guy was striking at 70 S/R which should be a criminal offence in a T20 regardless off level, opposition or pitch. There have been many bad days at the office, the days of bashing lower level opposition in multiple key roles and scenario’s he was expected to score are long gone sadly and his politics have done serious damage to the team.
 
An all-round performance by George Linde and a brisk half-century by David Miller powered South Africa to an 11-run victory over Pakistan in the first T20I of the three-match series at Kingsmead Cricket Stadium, Durban, on Tuesday night.

Defending a target of 183, South Africa restricted Pakistan to 172-8 in their 20 overs. Left-arm spinner Linde, returning to the South African side for the first time since September 2021, delivered an outstanding performance with four wickets for 21 runs in four overs, complementing his 24-ball 48 with the bat.

For Pakistan, skipper Mohammad Rizwan’s valiant 74 off 62 balls wasn’t enough as he carried the innings until the final over, only to fall to Kwena Maphaka.

Pakistan’s chase got off to a shaky start with Babar Azam dismissed for a four-ball duck by Maphaka in the third over. Rizwan partnered with Saim Ayub for a 40-run stand, as Pakistan reached 55-1 at the end of the powerplay. Saim dazzled with seven boundaries in his 15-ball 31 before falling to Andile Similane in the seventh over.

Linde claimed his first wicket in the 10th over, dismissing Usman Khan for nine, leaving Pakistan at 78-3 at the halfway mark. Despite a 42-run partnership between Rizwan and Shaheen Shah Afridi, the middle and lower order faltered. Tayyab Tahir’s run-a-ball 18, including a four and a six, was the only notable contribution. Linde’s triple strike in the 18th over derailed Pakistan’s chase, leaving them needing 31 off the last two overs and 19 off the final over.

Earlier, South Africa opted to bat but stumbled to 28-3 as Abrar Ahmed and Shaheen Shah Afridi tore through the top order. Miller entered in the fourth over and played a scintillating knock of 82 off 40 balls, smashing eight sixes and four boundaries to rescue the innings.

After Miller's departure in the 14th over, Linde took charge, smashing four sixes and three fours to propel South Africa to a competitive total of 183-9.

For Pakistan, Shaheen and Abrar picked up three wickets each. Shaheen also achieved a personal milestone, becoming the third Pakistani bowler to take 100 T20I wickets and the fourth player in history to claim 100 or more wickets across all three formats, joining Lasith Malinga, Shakib Al Hasan, and Tim Southee.

Mohammad Abbas Afridi chipped in with 2-30, while Sufyan Moqim added one wicket to his tally.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Mohammad Rizwan in a post match ceremony:

"There were a lot of positive aspects in this game, and the innings of David Miller and George Linde were the game changers. Credit must be given to these two players."

"We took early wickets but Miller's innings shifted the momentum in their favor."

"Our bowling lineup performed well. We've seen the stats showing that spinners don't usually do well on this ground, but our spinners made good use of the conditions and the wicket."

"Our middle order is quite inexperienced but we fought well and we will try perform better in the upcoming matches."
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He has no shame or pride, the most cowardly cricketer to ever play for Pakistan
 
At least try to win games, being not out does nothing.

A typical 120 SR knocks when chasing 180 run? I don't think that's the way to go.

If Miller would have played 120 SR knock, SA would have lost comfortably. There is surely a place and time to play 120 SR knocks, but it's not true in more than 90% of games now. It may work on slugish pitch or very hard to bat pitch with 140 being a par score.

If skills are lacking then don't open the innings.
 
Some posters are missing the point by saying Rizwan did well.

74 runs in 62 balls. Rizwan scored 120 SR. Now only 58 balls are left and 110 runs needed to be scored. That's 190 SR expected by others.


Openers have the easiest position to bat and score quickly. The if you score at 120 SR and expect others to score at 190 SR, it's simply not going to work majority of times. If you can't help, at least don't pull the chase so much down that others have to score 190 SR.

Anyone looking at who scored more is missing how T20 works. If you play a big knock so slowly then it's worse than getting out at zero.
 
just finished watching the highlights on iptv....it was an unbelievable knock by Rizwan...he played a captain innings, almost pulled off an improbable win.....babar as usual failed, just like kohli...funny guy.
 
Mahee said:
just finished watching the highlights on iptv....it was an unbelievable knock by Rizwan...
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Agreed.

Unbelievably bad.

Mahee said:
he played a captain innings,
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No, he played for himself and winning the game was secondary and it showed in the result.

Mahee said:
almost pulled off an improbable win.....
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Against 3rd string South Africa side.

Still failed because he was not good enough to understand you can't bat at 80 SR for 17 overs and then expect rest of the batting to take you home.

Mahee said:
babar as usual failed, just like kohli...funny guy.
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Agreed.

Babar is just as bad.
 
Buffet said:
At least try to win games, being not out does nothing.

A typical 120 SR knocks when chasing 180 run? I don't think that's the way to go.

If Miller would have played 120 SR knock, SA would have lost comfortably. There is surely a place and time to play 120 SR knocks, but it's not true in more than 90% of games now. It may work on slugish pitch or very hard to bat pitch with 140 being a par score.

If skills are lacking then don't open the innings.
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Rizwan doesn't appear to have skills needed for a T20 opener. It is better for the team if he plays 4 or 5 down.

Today, when I watched for a few overs, Rizwan was a playing a waiting game like MS Dhoni used to do. But I knew he was not going to win the game as he doesn't have similar ability to chase down a stiff target.
 
shaz619 said:
Don’t bud, I had it on and a mate who is not interested in the sport was like can I watch something else, am like yeah sure, whatever, I’ve seen the guy who I wanted to watch already. Would never have done that 10 years ago, the team has gone down the gutter.
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Rizwan and Babar are cancer to T20 team. Rizwan should have never played T20 after that inning against India but somehow he is captaining this poor team
 
Rana said:
No one in PCB or pakistan dug out will call out Rizwan!

Naqvi will be sold the lie that Rizwan is a ‘performer’

This is a performance? Worth what?
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He is the most selfish player I have seen . Ofcourse following Misbah
 
Buffet said:
Some posters are missing the point by saying Rizwan did well.

74 runs in 62 balls. Rizwan scored 120 SR. Now only 58 balls are left and 110 runs needed to be scored. That's 190 SR expected by others.


Openers have the easiest position to bat and score quickly. The if you score at 120 SR and expect others to score at 190 SR, it's simply not going to work majority of times. If you can't help, at least don't pull the chase so much down that others have to score 190 SR.

Anyone looking at who scored more is missing how T20 works. If you play a big knock so slowly then it's worse than getting out at zero.
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Bewilders me. Rizwan is no David Miller or Klassen or Maxwell to pull off a 25 run over in death.

Rizwan's maximum runs in one over in a T20I

24 runs vs SMit (Namibia) in 20th over to go from 55(44) to 79(50)

20 runs vs Ngarava (Zimb) in 20th over to go from 62(55) to 82(61)

19 runs vs Junior Dala (SA) in 11th over to go from 31(30) to 50(35)


Everything else is 15 runs or less.
 
There was no way you are gonna ope with Babar and Rizwan when you have Saim waiting. That was a blunder but anyways, babar failed so Siam came in early. Usman?? as usual he is pathetic and not an international material by any means. Drop him for Omair next game.

Rizwan's inning wow... I mean wow... He looked like playing 1st session of a test match on a difficult wicket.

That was a belter of a wicket for batting but as usual, our batters were pathetic.
 
This match is the perfect embodiment of if you didn't watch the game and saw the stats only, you'd see lone warrior Rizwan doing the best he can and surviving while rest of his teammates didn't support him.

But the reality is so much different. Everyone else had to play big shots to make up for Rizwan being the reason being well behind the rate to the point he wasn't even run a ball for most of his innings.

The sad part is not even the horrific inning but it's that Rizwan, Babar, coaching staff, selectors etc will still think it's fine & acceptable to play this way. Just look at Ramiz when he was commentating when Saim got out and criticizing him for getting out early playing shots despite the fact he played a really good impactful innings that gave Pakistan a good start and they were ahead early in the game. This is the culture we have in Pakistan from coaches, selectors, management and it extends to the domestic side. Until this thinking and culture itself changes, we will continue to see more of this.
 
Apart from two three player's, South Africa team is playing with 2nd string players yet Pakistan lost the match while playing Full strength team .
:kp
 
Devadwal said:
Apart from two three player's, South Africa team is playing with 2nd string players yet Pakistan lost the match while playing Full strength team .
:kp
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If our full strength is rizbabar opening and Usman type jokes in the team then we are minnows.
 
Buffet said:
Some posters are missing the point by saying Rizwan did well.

74 runs in 62 balls. Rizwan scored 120 SR. Now only 58 balls are left and 110 runs needed to be scored. That's 190 SR expected by others.


Openers have the easiest position to bat and score quickly. The if you score at 120 SR and expect others to score at 190 SR, it's simply not going to work majority of times. If you can't help, at least don't pull the chase so much down that others have to score 190 SR.

Anyone looking at who scored more is missing how T20 works. If you play a big knock so slowly then it's worse than getting out at zero.
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There are not many T20 openers in the world who can be 35 (50) as an anchor and when the situation demands score 24(18) like a modern day pinch hitter.
 
Bhaijaan said:
There are not many T20 openers in the world who can be 35 (50) as an anchor and when the situation demands score 24(18) like a modern day pinch hitter.
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Rizwan would not be picked by any IPL franchise even as a back up opener or keeper. Does he get picked in BBL or other leagues? He is an example of how not to play modern T20.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Rizwan would not be picked by any IPL franchise even as a back up opener or keeper. Does he get picked in BBL or other leagues? He is an example of how not to play modern T20.
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You don’t plan to win T20 leagues with players like Rizwan but they help win world cups.
 
Saim and fakhar are best possible option for pakistan to open tha innings .

Saim
Fakhar
Babar
This should be top three and Rizwan doesn't have game to play outside Top 3 so Mohammad Haris is another choice for wk .

Honestly babar - Rizwan should not play T20 cricket anymore if pakistan want to compete with best team's .

There is no place for accumulators in T20 anymore .
 
Devadwal said:
Apart from two three player's, South Africa team is playing with 2nd string players yet Pakistan lost the match while playing Full strength team .
:kp
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Pakistan doesn't even know what their full strength team is. Their middle order (Usman/Tayyab/Irfan) have a combined 28 innings in International T20's. Couple of rookie spinners too.

Regardless of full strength or not, Pakistan are a crappy team with a bunch of crap batters throughout their squad and domestically. SA had Miller & Klassen that are literally better than any Pakistani bat in T20's. That alone will keep them in the game regardless of the squad around them.
 
We have a pre-match thread for 2nd t20. Maybe take you chat there...

South Africa vs Pakistan | 2nd T20I | Centurion | December 13 | Pre-Match Discussion

After a thrilling opener in Durban, South Africa will aim to carry their momentum into Centurion to secure the series, with their players looking in fine form. On the other hand, Pakistan’s combination still appears uncertain as they struggle to adapt to the modern T20 gameplay. They will look...
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