South India

[Madplayer]

Was reading about how harshavardhana was defeated by Pulakesin 2 of the deccan the other day. Quite interesting. Find the names very difficult to remember though.

 

[JaDed]

Everybody knows they dress like FOBs, I mean, checkered/collared shirts and clothes that don't fit, a lot of them walk around in flip flops even in winter. The only FOBs that were cool were the Sikh ones.

They are not their to be your eye candy good too see that you care though and there was a thread when [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] spoke about this attitude of American Born desis now i see.

 

[Madplayer]

They are not their to be your eye candy good too see that you care though and there was a thread when [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] spoke about this attitude of American Born desis now i see.

A sense of superiority seems to exist amongst some foreign born desis.

One of my friends who studied in US was taunted , not by whites but by desis of US, by repeatedly reminding him how he behaved like a freshy throughout his stay there. They even called him lots of names like roti man etc. Sounds funny when its not happening to you and i too am guilty of bursting into laughter when he told me this. Its not cool though.

It would still be wrong to generalize because i know a few people who are foreign born and are really humble.

 

[JaDed]

A sense of superiority seems to exist amongst some foreign born desis.

One of my friends who studied in US was taunted , not by whites but by desis of US, by repeatedly reminding him how he behaved like a freshy throughout his stay there. They even called him lots of names like roti man etc. Sounds funny when its not happening to you and i too am guilty of bursting into laughter when he told me this. Its not cool though.

It would still be wrong to generalize because i know a few people who are foreign born and are really humble.

I have majy cousins born abroad have never experienced this but was part of myspace chatrooms long ago and saw this behavior there fob,abcd etc pretty tragic considering white folks are less judgemental than our own desis.

Guess they get away with being snobs and in the name of humor and our timid desis don't respond.

 

[Pakistanian]

A sense of superiority seems to exist amongst some foreign born desis.

One of my friends who studied in US was taunted , not by whites but by desis of US, by repeatedly reminding him how he behaved like a freshy throughout his stay there. They even called him lots of names like roti man etc. Sounds funny when its not happening to you and i too am guilty of bursting into laughter when he told me this. Its not cool though.

It would still be wrong to generalize because i know a few people who are foreign born and are really humble.

Bein a fob isn't about where you were born or how long you've been here, it's more about how you behave, the way you think. It's like a way of life. I mean us American raised Brown people get made fun of back in Pakistan cause of how we speak or behave, it's just how it is. You need to assimilate wherever you live if you don't wanna be a joke.

 

[Pakistanian]

They are not their to be your eye candy good too see that you care though and there was a thread when [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] spoke about this attitude of American Born desis now i see.

The problem with fobs is that y'all are too emotional and take things personally and [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] ain't a fob and neither is [MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION]

It's more about how you act that makes you a fob.

 

[JaDed]

The problem with fobs is that y'all are too emotional and take things personally and [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] ain't a fob and neither is [MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION]

It's more about how you act that makes you a fob.

So people who are emotional are Fobs? What's the point your are making mate? Is it with dressing they are fobs,or with too much emotions are fobs or its just in your head where you can't respect people's choices they are fob?

Its ok you can come up with another definition of fob in next 10 mins but unless people are offending you by just "being" emotional or not dressing as you want don't see what you saying here.

 

[Pakistanian]

So people who are emotional are Fobs? What's the point your are making mate? Is it with dressing they are fobs,or with too much emotions are fobs or its just in your head where you can't respect people's choices they are fob?

Its ok you can come up with another definition of fob in next 10 mins but unless people are offending you by just "being" emotional or not dressing as you want don't see what you saying here.

It's the whole look and behavior that makes one a fob, now this is a free country and y'all can do what you want and I'm no one to judge, I'm just trying to understand, my question is WHY?!? I mean y'all spend 40 k on school but still choose to wear bathroom slippers in public

 

[Pakistanian]

The indian and pakistani international students are very different each other, the Pakistani ones are pretty chill apart from some of the older ones.

 

[JaDed]

It's the whole look and behavior that makes one a fob, now this is a free country and y'all can do what you want and I'm no one to judge, I'm just trying to understand, my question is WHY?!? I mean y'all spend 40 k on school but still choose to wear bathroom slippers in public

Yes you are not judgmental ,you just like labeling people as fobs ,got it. also maybe you should ask the students themselves as to why they are wearing flip flops and paying 40k(if they really are).

 

[Pakistanian]

Yes you are not judgmental ,you just like labeling people as fobs ,got it. also maybe you should ask the students themselves as to why they are wearing flip flops and paying 40k(if they really are).

The problem is that most of them don't talk to people other than their ethnicity, they lack communication and social skills.

 

[JaDed]

The problem is that most of them don't talk to people other than their ethnicity, they lack communication and social skills.

Lol wait so are you saying if you approach them and speak to them they wouldn't reply and walk off? You are exactly the kind Syed1 described, lol who are too posh to speak to desi people.

Carry on mate also I live in India and haven't really seen any of my friends who went up to do their masters abroad have any issues in communication where they don't understand English but clearly your "experience" has been different.

 

[Pakistanian]

Lol wait so are you saying if you approach them and speak to them they wouldn't reply and walk off? You are exactly the kind Syed1 described, lol who are too posh to speak to desi people.

Carry on mate also I live in India and haven't really seen any of my friends who went up to do their masters abroad have any issues in communication where they don't understand English but clearly your "experience" has been different.

Being able to speak a language fluently doesn't mean people here would understand you, the accent and slang that we use here is pretty different. You need to live here to know that.

 

[JaDed]

Being able to speak a language fluently doesn't mean people here would understand you, the accent and slang that we use here is pretty different. You need to live here to know that.

So you are sayin if someone has to come to America they should learn the American slang if not they will be called fobs? Lol ok maybe nexttime the us immigration can inform them about the same.

 

[Pakistanian]

So you are sayin if someone has to come to America they should learn the American slang if not they will be called fobs? Lol ok maybe nexttime the us immigration can inform them abiut the same.

You should know enough to hold a conversation. I also think learning what to say and what not to say, because recently this Indian FOB at the library asked me some really creepy questions that would normally be considered rude here.

 

[JaDed]

You should know enough to hold a conversation. I also think learning what to say and what not to say, because recently this Indian FOB at the library asked me some really creepy questions that would normally be considered rude here.

Good now that we have narrowed down to your hatred ,we are comin up with imagination is it,coz just sometime ago they were apparently communicating only with their ethnicity

 

[Specialisttailender]

Looks like my native Madurai is 2200+ year old and not 1000 year old like previously thought.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-union-minister-says/articleshow/58420328.cms

 

[troodon]

Looks like my native Madurai is 2200+ year old and not 1000 year old like previously thought.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-union-minister-says/articleshow/58420328.cms

Civilization existed in South India much before that.

God was benevolent to South Indians before he diverted his attention to Middle East by sending Messengers there

 

[jusarrived]

Everybody knows they dress like FOBs, I mean, checkered/collared shirts and clothes that don't fit, a lot of them walk around in flip flops even in winter. The only FOBs that were cool were the Sikh ones.

looking cool ? lol.
The last thing "cool" ( Hate to use that word , its so wannabe ) people care about is looking cool or wearing clothes which are "in" . Most Americans in the IT Industry dress up exactly like you described , I like them cos they dont care about these things . you find people who care and give a rats *** about these things in both countries .

 

[troodon]

Was reading about how harshavardhana was defeated by Pulakesin 2 of the deccan the other day. Quite interesting. Find the names very difficult to remember though.

Old Indian names are exactly like Sri Lankan names.

Harshavarshana, Chandragupta, Rajasimha, Mitravinda, Chanakya....... Most of the old Indian names have become short like Harsha, Vinod, Raj.....

Indians and Srilankans are the same people. To me, they are just Indians living on a different Island.

I used to play cricket with a Srilankan guy. His name was Ravi Wickramasinghe. He looked exactly like Indian/Bangladeshi/Pakistani.

 

[troodon]

Good now that we have narrowed down to your hatred ,we are comin up with imagination is it,coz just sometime ago they were apparently communicating only with their ethnicity

[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] brother, [MENTION=142256]Pakistanian[/MENTION] has a point. Most students who come from India do look like Fobs. I was one of them.

A few points to note here...

1) Most students who come to US from India are either middle class or Upper Middle class. Their parents spend a boat load of money and take loans to send their son/daughter to USA. Those students try to save every penny and spend as less as possible on how they look. Its not their fault. They simply do not have money for that.
Rich ones who can afford good clothing never come to US. They can be happy even in India.

2) Most Indian students do not even know how to talk to a girl let a lone approach them for dating. They behave exactly like how they behave in India. Just stand aside and stare at attractive American girls. They simply lack the guts and skills needed to approach a girl. Girls also do not look at them as they do not find those types attractive.

3) Most work in gas stations or some oncampus part time job that pays them less than 7 or 8 dollars/hour. They use that money to pay for tuition and living. Not to buy expensive shoes or clothes. Presentation is not a priority for them. Most wear the clothes they brought with them back from India to save money.

Overall, its not the students fault. It is how they are brought up in India for 21 years. Especially middle class and upper middle class ones. They are not going to change right away. It takes them time.

For many students, getting a job is the only way out from living like a FOB. Unfortunately, for many, by the time they get a job and settle down, earn money that they can spend on their presentation, most get married. Once you get married, there is no motivation to present yourself well.

 

[JaDed]

[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] brother, [MENTION=142256]Pakistanian[/MENTION] has a point. Most students who come from India do look like Fobs. I was one of them.

A few points to note here...

1) Most students who come to US from India are either middle class or Upper Middle class. Their parents spend a boat load of money and take loans to send their son/daughter to USA. Those students try to save every penny and spend as less as possible on how they look. Its not their fault. They simply do not have money for that.
Rich ones who can afford good clothing never come to US. They can be happy even in India.

2) Most Indian students do not even know how to talk to a girl let a lone approach them for dating. They behave exactly like how they behave in India. Just stand aside and stare at attractive American girls. They simply lack the guts and skills needed to approach a girl. Girls also do not look at them as they do not find those types attractive.

3) Most work in gas stations or some oncampus part time job that pays them less than 7 or 8 dollars/hour. They use that money to pay for tuition and living. Not to buy expensive shoes or clothes. Presentation is not a priority for them. Most wear the clothes they brought with them back from India to save money.

Overall, its not the students fault. It is how they are brought up in India for 21 years. Especially middle class and upper middle class ones. They are not going to change right away. It takes them time.

For many students, getting a job is the only way out from living like a FOB. Unfortunately, for many, by the time they get a job and settle down, earn money that they can spend on their presentation, most get married. Once you get married, there is no motivation to present yourself well.

I knew where it was going ..the ending and I agree on it.but nothing wrong,if they are paying their taxes,living as good citizens, to imagine so many people talk about Trump's racism,but here we have a desi poster talking about "the way Indians dress".

 

[Specialisttailender]

Civilization existed in South India much before that.

God was benevolent to South Indians before he diverted his attention to Middle East by sending Messengers there

I was purely talking about my civilization in my district

 

[Madplayer]

Civilization existed in South India much before that.

God was benevolent to South Indians before he diverted his attention to Middle East by sending Messengers there

God sent messengers to every civilization. Quite possibly south Indian civilizations too.

I have one question which i have always wanted to ask but never got the time and place right for it. How does an Indian answer the question that south Indians are the real inhabitants of India and the north Indians are foreigners (aryans and all)? I'm sorry if the question sounds rude.

 

[troodon]

God sent messengers to every civilization. Quite possibly south Indian civilizations too.

I have one question which i have always wanted to ask but never got the time and place right for it. How does an Indian answer the question that south Indians are the real inhabitants of India and the north Indians are foreigners (aryans and all)? I'm sorry if the question sounds rude.

India had waves of migrants coming from its western border for several millennia. I believe it was no invasion. There were people coming in as nomads from Central Asia in search of greener pastures.

There is a wrong notion that South Indians are real inhabitants of India. Its not the South Indians. Its the Dalits and Tribals that are the original inhabitants of India. All of the Caste Hindus that we see today are nothing but the immigrants mixing with the native dalits and tribals. The mixing happened for several centuries until it was put to rest 2000 years ago.

Even among Dalits, many are not pure. Hence you sometimes see a Fair skinned Dalit and a Dark skinned Brahmin.

I believe Dalits and Tribals (no matter which part of the country they are from) are the true sons of the soil. Even in South India, I can tell the difference between an upper caste Brahmin and a Dalit easily most of the times. But there is also some overlap there due to mixing that happened before.

I refuse to believe that there is some sort of invasion in India by Aryans. There was no invasion. It was an open land and everyone was welcome. Each migration added their own culture to the existing pot.

Most Dalits and tribals are found in the states of Jharkhand, Orissa, Madhya Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh and Bengal. Not in Kerala or Andhra or Karnataka that people expect. So the notion of Aryans somehow whooping Dalits and pushing them to South India is wrong.
Dalits/Tribals are mostly found in North/Central and Eastern part of the country.

 

[Madplayer]

India had waves of migrants coming from its western border for several millennia. I believe it was no invasion. There were people coming in as nomads from Central Asia in search of greener pastures.

There is a wrong notion that South Indians are real inhabitants of India. Its not the South Indians. Its the Dalits and Tribals that are the original inhabitants of India. All of the Caste Hindus that we see today are nothing but the immigrants mixing with the native dalits and tribals. The mixing happened for several centuries until it was put to rest 2000 years ago.

Even among Dalits, many are not pure. Hence you sometimes see a Fair skinned Dalit and a Dark skinned Brahmin.

I believe Dalits and Tribals (no matter which part of the country they are from) are the true sons of the soil. Even in South India, I can tell the difference between an upper caste Brahmin and a Dalit easily most of the times. But there is also some overlap there due to mixing that happened before.

I refuse to believe that there is some sort of invasion in India by Aryans. There was no invasion. It was an open land and everyone was welcome. Each migration added their own culture to the existing pot.

Most Dalits and tribals are found in the states of Jharkhand, Orissa, Madhya Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh and Bengal. Not in Kerala or Andhra or Karnataka that people expect. So the notion of Aryans somehow whooping Dalits and pushing them to South India is wrong.
Dalits/Tribals are mostly found in North/Central and Eastern part of the country.

Thanks.

I have to contest you on one thing though. You said Aryans did not invade and displace the original inhabitants but didn't they place dalits on the lowest level in the varna system thereby considering them inferior and paving way to their perpetual exploitation? Isnt that what an invading force does?

 

[troodon]

Thanks.

I have to contest you on one thing though. You said Aryans did not invade and displace the original inhabitants but didn't they place dalits on the lowest level in the varna system thereby considering them inferior and paving way to their perpetual exploitation? Isnt that what an invading force does?

Dalits were outcasts. They did not follow the rules of the Dharma. Hence they were not allowed to live or dine among caste Hindus.

There are only 4 castes. Brahmans/Kshatriyas/Vysyas/Shudras. Dalits were Panchams (5th Caste). It was added much later on and for centuries they were not even considered Hindus.

There is a misconception that Shudras are untouchables. Shudras are made of Army men, Land owners, village leaders, Farmers, Gold Smiths etc. They are caste Hindus, and they are the ones that run the society. Hence they are considered Legs of the Human body. Brahmins are the brains, Ksatriyas are the muscle and Arms, Vysyas are the abdomen.

Dalits were not allowed to enter the cities. They lived outside of the cities and sometimes venturing into the cities to do menial jobs and to this day, the trend continues in most remote villages. Even in cities, the people who do menial jobs like washermen, manual scavengers, sweepers....etc are all Dalits.

Times have changed. But the stigma attached with Dalits did not go away. They are considered impure and in olden days, it is considered that their touch can give you diseases as they tended to do jobs that are highly toxic and contaminated.

I have said it in a different thread, if any community deserved their own country, its the Dalits. They along with Tribals form a quarter of the population. Some estimate their population to be close to 30%. Most are dirt poor and obviously form the bulk of under privileged people in India. No amount of reservations is going to bring those 30 crore people out of poverty and make them stand equally among their rest of the country men.

I feel Hindus and Muslims wanting a separate country is a cruel joke on Dalits.

 

[Madplayer]

Dalits were outcasts. They did not follow the rules of the Dharma. Hence they were not allowed to live or dine among caste Hindus.

There are only 4 castes. Brahmans/Kshatriyas/Vysyas/Shudras. Dalits were Panchams (5th Caste). It was added much later on and for centuries they were not even considered Hindus.

There is a misconception that Shudras are untouchables. Shudras are made of Army men, Land owners, village leaders, Farmers, Gold Smiths etc. They are caste Hindus, and they are the ones that run the society. Hence they are considered Legs of the Human body. Brahmins are the brains, Ksatriyas are the muscle and Arms, Vysyas are the abdomen.

Dalits were not allowed to enter the cities. They lived outside of the cities and sometimes venturing into the cities to do menial jobs and to this day, the trend continues in most remote villages. Even in cities, the people who do menial jobs like washermen, manual scavengers, sweepers....etc are all Dalits.

Times have changed. But the stigma attached with Dalits did not go away. They are considered impure and in olden days, it is considered that their touch can give you diseases as they tended to do jobs that are highly toxic and contaminated.

I have said it in a different thread, if any community deserved their own country, its the Dalits. They along with Tribals form a quarter of the population. Some estimate their population to be close to 30%. Most are dirt poor and obviously form the bulk of under privileged people in India. No amount of reservations is going to bring those 30 crore people out of poverty and make them stand equally among their rest of the country men.

I feel Hindus and Muslims wanting a separate country is a cruel joke on Dalits.

Thanks for this enlightening post.

I have one question. Please excuse me for my ignorance if it sounds stupid.

Did some of the native Indians become brahmins or kshatriyas which were the higher castes and considered twice borns? Or were they limited to being shudras or vaishyas?

 

[Pakistanian]

[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] brother, [MENTION=142256]Pakistanian[/MENTION] has a point. Most students who come from India do look like Fobs. I was one of them.

A few points to note here...

1) Most students who come to US from India are either middle class or Upper Middle class. Their parents spend a boat load of money and take loans to send their son/daughter to USA. Those students try to save every penny and spend as less as possible on how they look. Its not their fault. They simply do not have money for that.
Rich ones who can afford good clothing never come to US. They can be happy even in India.

2) Most Indian students do not even know how to talk to a girl let a lone approach them for dating. They behave exactly like how they behave in India. Just stand aside and stare at attractive American girls. They simply lack the guts and skills needed to approach a girl. Girls also do not look at them as they do not find those types attractive.

3) Most work in gas stations or some oncampus part time job that pays them less than 7 or 8 dollars/hour. They use that money to pay for tuition and living. Not to buy expensive shoes or clothes. Presentation is not a priority for them. Most wear the clothes they brought with them back from India to save money.

Overall, its not the students fault. It is how they are brought up in India for 21 years. Especially middle class and upper middle class ones. They are not going to change right away. It takes them time.

For many students, getting a job is the only way out from living like a FOB. Unfortunately, for many, by the time they get a job and settle down, earn money that they can spend on their presentation, most get married. Once you get married, there is no motivation to present yourself well.

I see your point. I got respect for intl students but why are middle eastern and north african students better dressed than indians? I don't get it, they're from poor countries too and work just as hard, I think its because they have a better aesthitic sense, maybe cause of European influence on their culture, which is weird cause I always though India prided itself in being really "westernized" and modern, and how bollywood is so liberal yet when I meet Indian here it's like there's this huge gulf between what the media portrays and the reality.

 

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Jallikattu Not A Blood Sport, Says Supreme Court On Pleas Against Bull-Taming

The Supreme Court said on Thursday notwithstanding the cruelty involved in "Jallikattu" it cannot be termed a blood sport as nobody is using any weapon and the blood may only be an incidental thing.

"Jallikattu" is a bull-taming sport played in Tamil Nadu as part of the Pongal harvest festival.

A five-judge Constitution bench headed by Justice K M Joseph said though cruelty may be involved in the sport people do not take part in the event to kill the animal.

"Because there is death does not mean it is a blood sport. I don't suggest that people who are going to participate and climb on to the bulls are going there in order to extract blood in that event. People are not going to kill the animal. Blood may be an incidental thing," the bench, also comprising Justices Ajay Rastogi, Aniruddha Bose, Hrishikesh Roy and C T Ravikumar observed.

The top court, which Thursday reserved its verdict on a batch of pleas challenging the Tamil Nadu law allowing "Jallikattu", made the remark in response to the submission of senior advocate Shyam Divan, appearing for some of the petitioners, who insisted "Jallikattu"is a blood sport.

"Blood sport used to be a very common event across the world and it involves animal, fight or contest and great degree of brutality and cruelty. Secondly, there is scholastic material which appears to indicate that there are movements across the world which diminished cruelty from citizen's perspective. This combined with legal awareness and general reforms," Divan said.

The bench remain unimpressed and asked," How are you describing this as blood sport? Nobody is using any weapon. What is your understanding of the concept? Here people are bare handed. There may be cruelty involved but it cannot be termed as blood sport. Don't show us definitions. Tell us how?" Divan submitted the term blood sport was used because it included killing or maiming innocent animals.

Referring to a research paper on "blood sport", Divan said media reports have documented that spectators are injured and even gored to death in and outside the arena of the bull taming sport. "Blood sport in generic sense means inflicting cruelty on the animal through beating. Now that can happen in different manners in different occasions," he said. The top court asked Divan in case it upholds the rules, what mechanism or scheme would he like to be put in place which would improve the condition. Divan replied that if the court's decision goes against the petitioners, they will pursue it before a different forum.

Senior advocate Sidharth Luthra, also appearing for some of the petitioners, submitted that merely because the legislature says that "Jallikattu" is a culture it cannot be held to be a culture and there has to be some basis.

"The Tamil Nadu amendment Act seeks to legitimise what is inherently cruel activity. Merely saying that it is a culture cannot be held to be a culture. And assuming that it is a culture, should all culture be allowed in today's day. An activity for amusement cannot be brought in the exception of doctrine of necessity," Luthra said.

The top court had said on Wednesday it will be a "very dangerous situation" if the court made an impression based on photographs placed before it by some petitioners to depict alleged cruelty to bulls during the bull-taming sport.

The apex court had said it cannot hold that the provision enacted in the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (PCA) Act, 1960 by a state amendment with the assent of the President is "bad in law" because the photographs say so.

The observation came after Divan referred to news reports and photographs to argue about cruelty to the bulls in the game.

In its written submissions filed last month in the apex court, the Tamil Nadu government has said "jallikattu" is a religious and cultural festival that bears a "religious significance" to the people of the state and does not violate the provisions of the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (PCA) Act, 1960.

The apex court is hearing arguments on a batch of petitions against the Tamil Nadu and Maharashtra laws allowing "jallikattu" and bullock-cart races.

The top court had, in its 2014 judgment, said bulls cannot be used as performing animals either for "jallikattu" events or bullock-cart races, and banned their use for these purposes across the country.

The apex court is considering five questions referred to it by a two-judge bench of the top court in February 2018.

Referring the issue to the five-judge bench, the apex court had said the petitions challenging the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (Tamil Nadu Amendment) Act, 2017 need to be decided by a larger bench since those involve substantial questions related to the interpretation of the Constitution.

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