Spin coach for Indian team

[cricketindiafan]

There are reports of India looking for a spin coach as we enter last few months before WC.

Laxman Shivramakrishnan has thrown his hat in the ring. Being a leggie (though not with a great career), he could be of immense help to our young wrist spinners Kuldeep and Chahal. He’s already spoken about a few technical issues with both of them. Will not be a bad choice.

However, it will be great if we could check with Muralitharan if he is interested. He’s been part of Sunrisers Hyderabad setup as a spin coach and would have seen our system closely. Will be a great addition to our setup.

Who else can be considered? Hirwani has done a lot of work at NCA, Sunil Joshi is the BD Spin coach, Sairam Bahutule has done well as a coach at Bengal. Any international names?

Hope we can have someone before Australia tour next month.

 

[Bangalorean]

Murali did not had good results when coached OZ team, this was short term consultant role when AUS lost 3-0 to SL .. !

 

[Benchwarmer]

LS seems like the best choice as he also was a wristspinner

 

[Bangalorean]

LS seems like the best choice as he also was a wristspinner

Also fans will be spared from his pathetic commentry till WC'19. Win-Win situation for all

 

[the_outsider]

LSK is actually a very knowledgeable person, especially when it comes to spin bowling.

Youngsters like Kuldeep and Chahal can really benefit from him.

Hope this arrangement comes to fruition.

 

[happydavy]

Also fans will be spared from his pathetic commentry till WC'19. Win-Win situation for all

True that. I can't care less about who Indian spin coaxb is, but I am game for anything that keeps Laxman away from commentary box.

Btw on what basis he's being considered? A grand total of 154 first class wickets in 76 matches at an average of 40, clearly demonstrates that was anything but a good bowler.

 

[happydavy]

LSK is actually a very knowledgeable person, especially when it comes to spin bowling.

Youngsters like Kuldeep and Chahal can really benefit from him.

Hope this arrangement comes to fruition.

Why didn't he use his knowledge to take a few wickets in his playing days? 154 wickets in 76 first class matches!

 

[the_outsider]

Why didn't he use his knowledge to take a few wickets in his playing days? 154 wickets in 76 first class matches!

All of the old school Indian players say that LSK was a very skillful bowler and a great student of the art of spin bowling.

Some talented players end up underperforming. Happens all the time.

There are videos of spin bowling clinics by LSK. You can look at them yourself and make your own assessment of his knowledge of spin bowling.

 

[RamLakhan]

Why didn't he use his knowledge to take a few wickets in his playing days? 154 wickets in 76 first class matches!

Not always top cricketers can become top coaches! Kumble, Kapil, are some examples! Apart from explaining what takes you to become top cricketer, these guys will also know what hampers you from becoming top cricketer which is more important (as they have their own self-examples!). These guys have seen themselves (ordinary cricketers) and also other cricketers becoming top cricketers in front of their eyes! So they will have better lessons to teach people!

 

[RamLakhan]

Also top cricketers will have big expectations from players, so they won't be able to work around the strengths & weaknesses of players!

 

[Bhaijaan]

Bring on somebody these guys are most comfortable with. After the disaster of G.Chappell, Kumble etc India must be very very careful who they wanna bring in this set up. I don’t think te players life authoritarian coaches too much.

 

[par]

True that. I can't care less about who Indian spin coaxb is, but I am game for anything that keeps Laxman away from commentary box.

Btw on what basis he's being considered? A grand total of 154 first class wickets in 76 matches at an average of 40, clearly demonstrates that was anything but a good bowler.

Who would you prefer between John Wright and Greg Chappel as a coach?

 

[Bangalorean]

True that. I can't care less about who Indian spin coaxb is, but I am game for anything that keeps Laxman away from commentary box.

Btw on what basis he's being considered? A grand total of 154 first class wickets in 76 matches at an average of 40, clearly demonstrates that was anything but a good bowler.

Good stats may not always translate to good coach, can't judge untill given chance

 

[happydavy]

Who would you prefer between John Wright and Greg Chappel as a coach?

Do you know John Wright had 60 first class centuries and 25000 runs? He proved his mettle at some level of cricket, what had Laxman achieved in cricket at all, that makes you believe he knows anything at all about leg spin? I am sorry analysing spin from tv is something all of us also do, that doesn't mean we can become good coaches.

I am not saying that international success is pre-requisite to be a good coach, though it's always helpful, but that also doesn't mean that any failed cricketer can become a coach. As the saying goes most genuises are eccentric, however that doesn't mean that most eccentric people are geniuses.

 

[happydavy]

Good stats may not always translate to good coach, can't judge untill given chance

Boss there has to be some starting point to consider someone as a coach? Fine good stats at international level may not matter, but how about first class record. What makes you believe he's going to be a good coach baring the fact that he desperately wants a coaching job?

 

[MenInG]

There are reports of India looking for a spin coach as we enter last few months before WC.

Laxman Shivramakrishnan has thrown his hat in the ring. Being a leggie (though not with a great career), he could be of immense help to our young wrist spinners Kuldeep and Chahal. He’s already spoken about a few technical issues with both of them. Will not be a bad choice.

However, it will be great if we could check with Muralitharan if he is interested. He’s been part of Sunrisers Hyderabad setup as a spin coach and would have seen our system closely. Will be a great addition to our setup.

Who else can be considered? Hirwani has done a lot of work at NCA, Sunil Joshi is the BD Spin coach, Sairam Bahutule has done well as a coach at Bengal. Any international names?

Hope we can have someone before Australia tour next month.

Am sure Saqlain will throw his name in the hat

 

[cricketindiafan]

Am sure Saqlain will throw his name in the hat

And he will be an excellent choice.

Unfortunately, in present political situation, it is unlikely to happen despite him being a British citizen. I hope he gets to coach some IPL side soon, that could open up the path to a stint with the Indian side.

 

[Bangalorean]

Boss there has to be some starting point to consider someone as a coach? Fine good stats at international level may not matter, but how about first class record. What makes you believe he's going to be a good coach baring the fact that he desperately wants a coaching job?

Brother, what I meant was there is 50% chance of LS succeeding as coach at least, good bargain for we fans to stop seeing him in commentry box. LS talks like man at the verge of heart attack (just kidding)!

 

[happydavy]

Brother, what I meant was there is 50% chance of LS succeeding as coach at least, good bargain for we fans to stop seeing him in commentry box. LS talks like man at the verge of heart attack (just kidding)!

Hehe on that I am with you. Like I said, I don't mind even if he replaces Kohli as captain and no:4 batsman, till the time I don't have to hear his commentary

 

[EliteCynical]

There are reports of India looking for a spin coach as we enter last few months before WC.

Laxman Shivramakrishnan has thrown his hat in the ring. Being a leggie (though not with a great career), he could be of immense help to our young wrist spinners Kuldeep and Chahal. He’s already spoken about a few technical issues with both of them. Will not be a bad choice.

However, it will be great if we could check with Muralitharan if he is interested. He’s been part of Sunrisers Hyderabad setup as a spin coach and would have seen our system closely. Will be a great addition to our setup.

Who else can be considered? Hirwani has done a lot of work at NCA, Sunil Joshi is the BD Spin coach, Sairam Bahutule has done well as a coach at Bengal. Any international names?

Hope we can have someone before Australia tour next month.

It is Sairaj.

 

[EliteCynical]

Am sure Saqlain will throw his name in the hat

If that happens, India should jump and grab him at the first chance they get! I think he is contracted by ECB no? Don't think that would happen!

 

[Swashbuckler]

Sachin rates LSK very highly. He used his expertise to prepare for Warne in the mega duel in 1998 test series, the mother of all clashes which Sachin won handsomely. The spin bowling coach should also help our batsmen counter spin, it is a 2 way job actually.

 

[par]

Do you know John Wright had 60 first class centuries and 25000 runs? He proved his mettle at some level of cricket, what had Laxman achieved in cricket at all, that makes you believe he knows anything at all about leg spin? I am sorry analysing spin from tv is something all of us also do, that doesn't mean we can become good coaches.

I am not saying that international success is pre-requisite to be a good coach, though it's always helpful, but that also doesn't mean that any failed cricketer can become a coach. As the saying goes most genuises are eccentric, however that doesn't mean that most eccentric people are geniuses.

You've answered your question yourself.

Any way, a coach's role for a cricket team in international level is overrated. After all, teams played without a coach 2/3 decades back.

 

[Justcrazy]

Ashwin himself can be brought in as mentor

 

[austerlitz]

LS for me.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Where is Noel David these days?

 

[Saurav]

Dan Vettori can be a pretty good choice

 

[BaankeJi]

Shivarama was an exceptionally talented spinner. His work ethic or lack of it ruined him.
He will be an ideal choice for spin coach.
For people who are talking about his commentary, he is good there as well. One of the sensible commentators.

 

[leg-side-flick]

Bhai what will our head coach do then..... Shouldn't he be able to teach them how to spin, considering he was a spinner himself.....

 

[cricketindiafan]

Bhai what will our head coach do then..... Shouldn't he be able to teach them how to spin, considering he was a spinner himself.....

Nothing wrong in having specialist coaches. A spin coach will likely be a consultant working with spinners for a fixed number of days or for specific tours.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Where is Noel David these days?

Chairman of selectors for Hyderabad Cricket Association.

With his 4 ODIs, well qualified to replace MSK Prasad as national chairman of selectors

 

[the_outsider]

Chairman of selectors for Hyderabad Cricket Association.

With his 4 ODIs, well qualified to replace MSK Prasad as national chairman of selectors

Not that I'm defending MSK but being a good cricketer and being a good selector are different things.

You don't have to be a great actor to be a successful agent or a great musician to be a successful producer.

Two different skillsets.

 

[happydavy]

Bhai what will our head coach do then..... Shouldn't he be able to teach them how to spin, considering he was a spinner himself.....

Haha you are right. Esp. bcoz 2 of the 3 ODI spinners (kuldeep and jadeja) are left arm spinners, which Shastri himself was and if I may add a decent one. But then Shastriji is not a coach, he's the CHO - Chief Happiness Officer - of team. His job is to project an ordinary team as an extra ordinary team in front of media and in the dressing room.

 

[happydavy]

Btw I can put a bet that he will be soon signed as the spinning coach. All that's happening is just a drama, and things probably have already been decided. How would you otherwise expect a nothing special spinner to have the audacity to say "if BCCI comes to me with a proposal". For people who don't know Shastri has been the best mate of Siva since early 1980s. Siva started his under 19 career under Shastri's captaincy and as someone described in a column Siva was "smitten" with Shastri's cricketing smarts. It's all there in an interview of Siva a few years back. It's just a case of one friend helping another.

 

[the_outsider]

Btw I can put a bet that he will be soon signed as the spinning coach. All that's happening is just a drama, and things probably have already been decided. How would you otherwise expect a nothing special spinner to have the audacity to say "if BCCI comes to me with a proposal". For people who don't know Shastri has been the best mate of Siva since early 1980s. Siva started his under 19 career under Shastri's captaincy and as someone described in a column Siva was "smitten" with Shastri's cricketing smarts. It's all there in an interview of Siva a few years back. It's just a case of one friend helping another.

Pretty sure Shastri being a coach himself cannot be involved in the appointment of another coach. That would be a conflict of interest and it won't be allowed by the CoA.

I would expect that this appointment will be made by the CAC - and I'm sure we can trust the integrity of those 3 gentlemen.

 

[happydavy]

Pretty sure Shastri being a coach himself cannot be involved in the appointment of another coach. That would be a conflict of interest and it won't be allowed by the CoA.

I would expect that this appointment will be made by the CAC - and I'm sure we can trust the integrity of those 3 gentlemen.

Ah the often used but hardly understood "conflict of interest" term. Head coach having the most important say in appointing his deputies is not conflict of interest sir. The different coaches are not appointed in isolation by bcci but the head coach basically puts forward the people he wants to work with and on most occasions BCCI obliged and rightly so. Pls read this article, shastri clearly asked for Bharat Arun and Sanjay Bangar.

https://www.livemint.com/Sports/ozJ...s-Indias-bowling-coach-Sanjay-Bangar-nam.html

 

[Dingolfy]

Why didn't he use his knowledge to take a few wickets in his playing days? 154 wickets in 76 first class matches!

Coaching is a completely different job than playing.AR Rahman can never sing like Yesudas.But that doesnt mean he cannot tell Yesudas how to sing.And great players seldom make great coaches.Maradona is the biggest example.

 

[the_outsider]

Ah the often used but hardly understood "conflict of interest" term. Head coach having the most important say in appointing his deputies is not conflict of interest sir. The different coaches are not appointed in isolation by bcci but the head coach basically puts forward the people he wants to work with and on most occasions BCCI obliged and rightly so. Pls read this article, shastri clearly asked for Bharat Arun and Sanjay Bangar.

https://www.livemint.com/Sports/ozJ...s-Indias-bowling-coach-Sanjay-Bangar-nam.html

Nothing is misunderstood. The conflict of interest is very real.

Yes I know he asked for Arun and Bangar. But he is not in any position to appoint anybody. He can only give recommendations. The responsibility of picking coaches, selectors, etc has been given to the CAC. And they alone will make the final decision.

Do you think - of all people - Ganguly, Sachin and Laxman will do whatever Shastri wants? If LSK is indeed appointed as a spin consultant, if would be because the CAC found him to be the right person.

 

[happydavy]

Nothing is misunderstood. The conflict of interest is very real.

Yes I know he asked for Arun and Bangar. But he is not in any position to appoint anybody. He can only give recommendations. The responsibility of picking coaches, selectors, etc has been given to the CAC. And they alone will make the final decision.

Do you think - of all people - Ganguly, Sachin and Laxman will do whatever Shastri wants? If LSK is indeed appointed as a spin consultant, if would be because the CAC found him to be the right person.

Intelligent people when they make mistakes, simply accept their mistakes or stop pushing the matter. You want to argue even when you know you were wrong, then be my guest.

 

[the_outsider]

Intelligent people when they make mistakes, simply accept their mistakes or stop pushing the matter. You want to argue even when you know you were wrong, then be my guest.

Find me a source which says Shastri has the authority to appoint staff members and his unintelligent person will bow down to you.

If you're not going to argue based on the content of my posts then don't bother replying to me ever again. I don't have time to stroke your frail ego.