You have all seen how Dhoni thinks and plays today. His mind thinks "safety first". He hasn't scored a single six and scored run a ball again today. The other day he wanted to ensure India has a decent NRR instead of crashing to 260 AO. That's insurance Incase India is stuck at 11 points as well. Today he ensured India scores above 300. Look at his game against WI. He made sure India gets to 270. Kohli even mentioned that MS knows the par score and doesn't go for 300 and get out for 230 on a 270 wicket. Look at his innings against AUS and how he scored briskly. He got out to Amir going for big runs vs Pak. He will play according to the situation and does what he thinks is best for the Indian team. Add to that his limitations with his age and he knows exactly what he's capable of. Enough of conspiracy theories. Those old legs have one more great innings left in the next 3 games and he will shut everybody I hope.
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"Sportsmanship of few Champions got tested and they failed badly" : Waqar Younis
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I don't think Dhoni was doing all these calculations in his head.
That's dishonest, we both know you won't answer the question because you do not like the answer.
That’s the problem with your mindset, You guys are looking at from point of view of India was trying to knock your lil Pakistan out of the workd cup. As if India has to fear a team which they have beaten at every single world cup encounter when they even had better team than India.
You see what you want to see, classic example of you make a conclusion and than find evidence to back that opinion.
If anyone has been watching India play, it has been 3 batsmen team for long time now as you would remember the CT final.
With Dhawan out injured, it has become a 2 batsmen team hence Kholi and Rohit were playing very safely in the starting, knowing if one of them goes out, it’s game over.
As for Dhoni if he doesn’t get balls in his hitting zones, he can’t do jack and Jadhav is Jadhav.
England had clear plans as to how to bowl to Pandya, Dhoni and they excuted them well.
Not the first time team have tammed Pandya and Dhoni with certain type of bowling.
But hey it was all done to knock lil Pakistan out.
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Lol i dont think India deliberately threw the game against England because of a fear of facing Pakistan again, they deliberately did it to annoy Pakistan and get it kicked out of the SF race and to bring about a sense of despair and depression in the Pakistani society which is already going through tough times.
If Dhoni wasn't doing all these calculations then who cares about the NRR and why not attempt to go for the win?
Sourav Ganguly, Murali Karthik, etc. all agreed the approach in the last 10 overs was wrong. They don't know what they are talking about?
Disagree, because that has nothing to do with intent.
So if teams have not achieved something regularly or it's unlikely something may happen you shouldn't try? Is this your motto?
At the end of the 39th over India was at 226/3 and required 112 runs from 11 overs at a RRR of 10.1. That's VERY achievable with 7 wickets in hand for these IPL stars.
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If only Waqar showed us the way during his playing career 
Did you watch the game from the 39th to the 45th over? Pandya was swinging at everything. It is not as if India gave up after the 39th over. It was only after Pandya got out that the Indian batsmen gave up trying for what seemed like an impossible task (71 runs in 30 balls).
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Such a brutal game this Cricket and a great leveller... Bites you back when you are expecting the least <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a> I learnt a great lesson today “Never Abuse The Game” <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvsNZL?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvsNZL</a></p>— Waqar Younis (@waqyounis99) <a href="https://twitter.com/waqyounis99/status/1148997011905097728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 10, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Hmm. Not needed I think.
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Hmm. Not needed I think.
Not sure what he's referring to though. Is he implying that India abused the game vs England?
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Presumably, yes. Not a good look, should leave the kaanspiracies to the fans etc.
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Well said champ
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Yes thats what he is saying.
Haha! Looks like Waqar really took Pak's exit to the heart. Though, I still would prefer his approach to call it how he feels instead of Shoaib Akhtar's who despite being subjected to ridicule (Sehwag: Shoaib Akhtar praises us because wants to get work here) would shamelessly back and praise India every second.
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Love Waqar.Unbashed and not afraid to speak his mind.
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Thanks for the reminder, had forgotten about that
I like Waqar generally but don't think important personalities should be furthering the conspiracy theories about India 'deliberately' losing to England. But I understand he doesn't hold back, so...
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Good on Waqar to speak his mind which is the truth too.
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All he has nowadays is earn few bucks from his youtube channel & for this he want views. So praising indians even for nonsense working for him, furthermore he insults Pakistani players which attract indians to his nonsense analysis. Liar at best.
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Agree with him. Suddenly Dhoni and co found fight at the end..lol.. glad they lost
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Always respected his views more than Wasim as the latter is often influenced and dont speak his mind.
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Yeah Shoaib Akhtar and Ramiz have many Indian subscribers on Youtube so they cater to them.
Someone who speaks his mind his opinion always stands out.
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That’s what majority Pakistani pundits think
Waqar seems to be talking from experience here. Cricket is indeed a great leveler.
This convicted former Captain along with his fellow team mates was kicked out like a piece of paper after the 2003 WC. His past won't change. I think he should keep quite and don't act all smart here even if India threw away that match on purpose atleast they didn't sold out for some money or car.
This convicted former Captain along with his fellow team mates was kicked out like a piece of paper after the 2003 WC. His past won't change. I think he should keep quite and don't act all smart here even if India threw away that match on purpose atleast they didn't sold out for some money or car.
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Strange coming from a man who was also a possible offender of abusing the game.Also didnt co-operate in the match fixing inquiry and was fined for it.
Waqar seems to be talking from experience here. Cricket is indeed a great leveler.
This convicted former Captain along with his fellow team mates was kicked out like a piece of paper after the 2003 WC. His past won't change. I think he should keep quite and don't act all smart here even if India threw away that match on purpose atleast they didn't sold out for some money or car.
Extract from the Qayyum report:
As regards the general allegations, they are generally baseless. No evidence has been proffered to support them. The evidence against Waqar Younis is primarily hearsay (even then mostly from anonymous sources) and unsubstantiated. Possession of a cellular phone has no probative value unless it is alleged to have been used during a match to fix that match. As such they alone are insufficient to hold Waqar Younis guilty to the requisite standard.
not sure where it says he was convicted?
Really? If he had any courage, he would have named the players who he believes did not show "sportsmanship" instead of these insinuations.
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Waqar seems to be talking from experience here. Cricket is indeed a great leveler.
This convicted former Captain along with his fellow team mates was kicked out like a piece of paper after the 2003 WC. His past won't change. I think he should keep quite and don't act all smart here even if India threw away that match on purpose atleast they didn't sold out for some money or car.
Clearly you never read the report and are talking from your backside
One of the main reasons he was the captain for 2003 WC was that as per Qayyum report he was fit to lead and didn’t have a question mark against his intent
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If there was an Indian player who’d lose on purpose to ensure a Pakistani exit...it’d be someone patriotic like one with Indian military bumper stickers
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Lol @ Waqar Younis very rich coming out from a person who is mentioned as one of the player in Justice Qayyum's report.
lol so because he is mentioned it means he as proven guilty?
remind me of what happened to Rajasthan Royals and Chennai super kings in 2013? lolll
One of the few former Pakistani cricketers that are calling it like it is.
Do you guys in all honestly disagree with him? Anybody in their right cricketing mind knows India did not attempt to win that game. As Waqar said, you are not bigger than the sport no matter how big you think are!
Do you guys in all honestly disagree with him? Anybody in their right cricketing mind knows India did not attempt to win that game. As Waqar said, you are not bigger than the sport no matter how big you think are!
157.The Counsel was asked by the Commission as to against
which of the players was there any direct evidence of
match fixing. The Counsel named Saleem Malik, Wasim
Akram and Mushtaq Ahmad. He also stated that in the
case of Basit Ali and Waqar Younis, there is some
evidence against them, but it is not sufficient to
arrive at any final conclusion. He also named Ijaz
Ahmad and stated that although his name has been
mentioned by quite a few persons, but there is no
direct evidence against him to prove that he has been
involved in match fixing.
Where there's smoke, there's fire. If we was so innocent why he was fined and why he was not co-operating with the commission?
According to Wasim Akram, who was the Pakistan captain in that match, his fast bowling buddy Waqar, in order to deny Kumble the landmark, had hatched a devious plan. In a report published by DNA, Akram said, "Kumble had got nine wickets and me and Waqar (Younis) were batting in the crease. Waqar came to me and said 'How about getting run out?' so that Kumble does not get his 10th wicket.''
Waqar never tampered with the ball and was always the champion of sportsmanship.
Waqar was also the ring leader of 1994 revolt against Wasim. Its waqar fans who always talk from backside and blame every other player for his shaddy character. Who was Pakistan's coach during 2010 spot fixing scandal? You will find plenty of player's statement describing the great waqar and his antics over the years. Waqar "The politcian" has already been exposed countless times, his fans should just hide in a cave.
He was the dictator head coach of the 2010 team which got caught as well. Later he plotted with the PCB to throw Afridi out and who can forget his genius plan of making Azhar Ali captain. Waqar ne satya naas kia hai hamesha team ka. He is a politican and a hypocrite
Waqar seems to be talking from experience here. Cricket is indeed a great leveler.
This convicted former Captain along with his fellow team mates was kicked out like a piece of paper after the 2003 WC. His past won't change. I think he should keep quite and don't act all smart here even if India threw away that match on purpose atleast they didn't sold out for some money or car.
Convicted of what?
This is news to me and many.
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Some indian posters talking absolute rubbish about waqar, just because he isn't a suck up like wasim is to india!
Waqar is the greatest pakistani fast bowler ever and in MY OPINION, the greatest fast bowler the world has ever seen!
AND HE IS STILL BOWLING INSWINGING, TOE CRUSHING YORKERS TO THE INDIANS!!!
Waqar is the greatest pakistani fast bowler ever and in MY OPINION, the greatest fast bowler the world has ever seen!
AND HE IS STILL BOWLING INSWINGING, TOE CRUSHING YORKERS TO THE INDIANS!!!
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Clear as day light Dhoni and co tried to win against New Zealand but threw away the England game. Proof? NZ game India all out, England game, 5 wickets in hand.
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Yeah report says no evidence at all was found against him
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Lol how’s he responsible when captain sold the team
He was never convicted of anything. Qayyum report categorically mentions there was no evidence
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104 needed in last 10 against eng, 6 wickets in hand with 59m boundaries.
90 needed against NZ with only 4 wickets in hand.
Old trafford wicket was difficult to play
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157.The Counsel was asked by the Commission as to against
which of the players was there any direct evidence of
match fixing. The Counsel named Saleem Malik, Wasim
Akram and Mushtaq Ahmad. He also stated that in the
case of Basit Ali and Waqar Younis, there is some
evidence against them, but it is not sufficient to
arrive at any final conclusion. He also named Ijaz
Ahmad and stated that although his name has been
mentioned by quite a few persons, but there is no
direct evidence against him to prove that he has been
involved in match fixing.
Where there's smoke, there's fire. If we was so innocent why he was fined and why he was not co-operating with the commission?
According to Wasim Akram, who was the Pakistan captain in that match, his fast bowling buddy Waqar, in order to deny Kumble the landmark, had hatched a devious plan. In a report published by DNA, Akram said, "Kumble had got nine wickets and me and Waqar (Younis) were batting in the crease. Waqar came to me and said 'How about getting run out?' so that Kumble does not get his 10th wicket.''
Waqar never tampered with the ball and was always the champion of sportsmanship.
Waqar was also the ring leader of 1994 revolt against Wasim. Its waqar fans who always talk from backside and blame every other player for his shaddy character. Who was Pakistan's coach during 2010 spot fixing scandal? You will find plenty of player's statement describing the great waqar and his antics over the years. Waqar "The politcian" has already been exposed countless times, his fans should just hide in a cave.
So they were not able to arrive at any conclusion but you are without looking at the evidence
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If you don't respect the game, the game bites you back.
absolute nonsense from Waqar ..... Firstly Waqar was the one who deliberately was intending to prevent Kumble from getting 10 wkts by getting run out in the process. Wasim himself has revealed this.
Secondly no team would play purposefully to lose( if not match fixing) unless it benefits team cause.
When Dhoni realized that he would not be able to get those reguired runs in the final over vs England he chose to play safely for run rate not to dip to maintain India's chances of getting into semi. Nothing wrong in that either
Secondly no team would play purposefully to lose( if not match fixing) unless it benefits team cause.
When Dhoni realized that he would not be able to get those reguired runs in the final over vs England he chose to play safely for run rate not to dip to maintain India's chances of getting into semi. Nothing wrong in that either
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Waqar is not saying anything nonesense it was Dhoni who tried to purposely lose against England, it’s so evident that it’s not even deniable
Who can forget bowling beamers to Symonds in the World Cup match when things against him ?
Where was the sportsmanship there ?
for what benefit??? ... if every thing Dhoni doing is purposeful
then he should have won the semi too ....
Yeah .... I can understand because for 'you' everything an Indian doing
is 'not even deniable' .Nothing surprising here
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Looks like Indians should look up convicted on dictionary.com before using that word.
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Dhoni is a garbage cricketer right now. Pakistan fans should stop over-rating this Indian team. No chance in hell they were ever chasing 338 with such a flimsy batting line-up.
I don't know about matchfixing but aukhan has a point.
How can Waqar talk about the sportmanship when he bowled beamers at Andy Symonds and did groupings against the captain ? Or trying to deny Kumble the ten-fer ?
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Saj bhai this is not criticism but he is accusing directly or indirectly with criptic tweat or not.
I respected him a lot but these tweats are not good. He is not someone like basit ali,etc. We cannot ignore this.
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Bhai Yes I know it very well and before this I never ever mentioned it but tell me one thing when he is accusing our whole team like his tweats what I should say.
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I agree they won’t have won but anyone who watches cricket knows there was intent to win against NZ and lack of it against Eng
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Do you have comprehension issues?
I never said dhoni would have won the match
But difference between intent against NZ and Eng is clear as daylight
his ' intent based on his ultimate aim' was perfect in both matches'.
In ENG match his ultimate aim was to never allow a dip in run rate once he realized that the match can't be won by him or batsman at the other end.
in the 2nd match his ultimate aim was to win .
Hope it is clear
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I would trust Waqar over Wasim. Also any proof those beamers were on purpose?
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)He refused to allow Pandya to attack Rashid with 59m boundaries, 5 singles were taken.
Intent. Alot of commentators mentioned the strange run chase, you can say what you want. Fact is its no secret that bcci wants to ruin pak cricket but ind shot itself in the foot as they realised in SF.
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No it’s not clear at all. Only one thing is clear even you can’t deny that Dhoni purposefully decided to play for draw
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He refused to allow Pandya to attack Rashid with 59m boundaries, 5 singles were taken.
Intent. Alot of commentators mentioned the strange run chase, you can say what you want. Fact is its no secret that bcci wants to ruin pak cricket but ind shot itself in the foot as they realised in SF.
Yeah as if NRR was remotely even an issue for India
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Are you angry you lost to NZ who lost to Pakistan who you’d beaten so convincingly?
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3 beamers in a row after being smashed all around the ground by Andrew Symonds was a co-incidence? He was not allowed to bowl after that by the umpires.
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and he got punished for that. Where's the trust issue?
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Stokes comments in his book seem to lend some weight to what Waqar said then.
What did stokes say ?
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