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Spread of Wahhabism was done at request of West during Cold War – Saudi crown prince

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The Saudi-funded spread of Wahhabism began as a result of Western countries asking Riyadh to help counter the Soviet Union during the Cold War, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman told the Washington Post.
Speaking to the paper, bin Salman said that Saudi Arabia's Western allies urged the country to invest in mosques and madrassas overseas during the Cold War, in an effort to prevent encroachment in Muslim countries by the Soviet Union.

He added that successive Saudi governments had lost track of that effort, saying "we have to get it all back." Bin Salman also said that funding now comes mostly from Saudi-based "foundations," rather than from the government.

The crown prince’s 75-minute interview with the Washington Post took place on March 22. Another topic of discussion included a previous claim by US media that bin Salman had said that he had White House senior adviser Jared Kushner "in his pocket."

Bin Salman denied reports that when he and Kushner – who is also Donald Trump's son-in-law – met in Riyadh in October, he had sought or received a greenlight from Kushner for the massive crackdown on alleged corruption which led to widespread arrests in the kingdom shortly afterwards. According to bin Salman, the arrests were a domestic issue and had been in the works for years.

He said it would be "really insane" for him to trade classified information with Kushner, or to try to use him to advance Saudi interests within the Trump administration. He stated that their relationship was within a normal governmental context, but did acknowledge that he and Kushner "work together as friends, more than partners." He stated that he also had good relationships with Vice President Mike Pence and others within the White House.

The crown prince also spoke about the war in Yemen, where a Saudi-led coalition continues to launch a bombing campaign against Houthi rebels in an attempt to reinstate ousted Abdrabbuh Mansur Hadi as president. The conflict has killed thousands, displaced many more, driven the country to the brink of famine, and led to a major cholera outbreak.

Although the coalition has been accused of a large number of civilian deaths and disregard for civilian lives - an accusation which Riyadh denies - the crown prince said his country has not passed up "any opportunity" to improve the humanitarian situation in the country. “There are not good options and bad options. The options are between bad and worse,” he said.

The interview with the crown prince was initially held off the record. However, the Saudi embassy later agreed to led the Washington Post publish specific portions of the meeting.

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So he is basically admitting that the Saudi regime has been, (and in reality continues to be) a useful idiot for western interests.
 
I'm pretty sure this is news to Wahhabis only.

We all pretty much knew what was going on.
 
Astonishing that he is openly saying what Wahabis kept denying throughout their history.

No, it's a bit of a deflection on his part to admit responsibility. It was definitely in Saudi/sunni interest as well to push for this funding given the threat emanating from the proliferation of Iranian revolution.
 
No, it's a bit of a deflection on his part to admit responsibility. It was definitely in Saudi/sunni interest as well to push for this funding given the threat emanating from the proliferation of Iranian revolution.

Its wrong to lump sunnis with Saudi/wahabi regime. Sunnis have disowned wahabbis at every stage throughout the history so kindly be careful with the usage of the term sunni. Regional politics is at play here with Saudi Arabia as the chief architect of an extremist ideology. On the other hand Iran isn't a naive teletubby either. However, PR wise one will have to say that Iranis make better public statements compared to Najdis.
 
[MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION], has Salafism/Wahhabism made inroads in IOK as well? I see quite a few of them from IOK that are active on social media, and they all seem to have “Salafi” as part of their online (and posssibly offline) names. There are also many who counter that with “Sufi” appended to their names.

How does this schism (if there is one) play out on the streets or on campuses etc? I don’t imagine any of the self-styled Kashmiri Salafis being pro-India, so is that a bit of a saving grace?
 
Its wrong to lump sunnis with Saudi/wahabi regime. Sunnis have disowned wahabbis at every stage throughout the history so kindly be careful with the usage of the term sunni. Regional politics is at play here with Saudi Arabia as the chief architect of an extremist ideology. On the other hand Iran isn't a naive teletubby either. However, PR wise one will have to say that Iranis make better public statements compared to Najdis.

Like it or not, just like Iran pushes their sectarian agenda so do Saudis and they happen to be the center of Sunni universe just as Iran is conversely for Shias.

You can call it wahabism, salafisim, etc., but it all boils down to who is providing counter weight in the sectarian turf war, and it only happens to Saudis in the whole Islamic world that pushes against Iran's evangelizing their revolution and extremism.
 
wahabism is expanding fast, i have relatives who have converted, they are hardcore, at a funeral some dont even eat the food which has dua done on it.
 
Thats ok. The US sold out the Mujahideen after the Soviet withdrawal so it was only a matter of time for the Saudis to follow. The only problem I see for Saudi is, that whether there is war with Iran or not, they have made the Saudi-US partnership a political issue. The next Dem president will not be as friendly.
All of which is good for Pakistan as guarantor of security.
 
The question should be how come there are so many interpretations for the Final word of God which is supposed to be the best and the most complete book ever? Which version of the interpretation is correct according to PP'ers?
 
Like it or not, just like Iran pushes their sectarian agenda so do Saudis and they happen to be the center of Sunni universe just as Iran is conversely for Shias.

You can call it wahabism, salafisim, etc., but it all boils down to who is providing counter weight in the sectarian turf war, and it only happens to Saudis in the whole Islamic world that pushes against Iran's evangelizing their revolution and extremism.

Saudis arent the centre of sunni universe. The vast majority of Ahlus sunnah makes clear distinction from Wahabism. Its just our badluck that Makkah and Madina have fallen into their hands. Rest of your post i agree with.
 
[MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION], has Salafism/Wahhabism made inroads in IOK as well? I see quite a few of them from IOK that are active on social media, and they all seem to have “Salafi” as part of their online (and posssibly offline) names. There are also many who counter that with “Sufi” appended to their names.

How does this schism (if there is one) play out on the streets or on campuses etc? I don’t imagine any of the self-styled Kashmiri Salafis being pro-India, so is that a bit of a saving grace?

Wahabism/salafism has grown in Kashmir no doubt about it. It has a lot to do with wahabism putting forward very black and white concepts which are easy to grasp for the intellectually weak (and we can curse Moulana Hazrat google for making young kids believe they can just understand matters of Fiqh by a simple google search). However, given the general pacifying and mellow nature of Kashmiri society, they aren't as extreme as the Wahabis of the world. The tendency to act like takfiris is there though. Please dont go by usernames on social media. They are highly misleading. Kashmir still is the land of Sufi saints and a vast majority are Hanafis and lovers of concepts of Tasawwuf and Tawassul.

There is an effort to popularise wahabism though. Lots of funds come in to build "Ahle Hadith" masjids and they have popped up in quite a lot of places. From my interactions with some students of Islamic studies in Kashmir university, i found out that they are even teaching beliefs closer to Wahabism in the state university. This was shocking for me personally. But people are aware now which is good.

I dont even blame all wahabis/salafis etc. Some of them are good and humble people by nature and its important to stay united with such people. We aren't takfiris. We still believe they are muslims. We have no right to call them or people of any sect as non muslims as long as they are on the Shahada. That is between them and God. However, we have to look at ideological baselines of Wahabism which are dangerous because a lot of times it tries to put forward a one-dimensional, literalist point of view of Islam and doesnt take into account the flexibility which is infact the reason why Islam spread in the first place.
 
Wahabism/salafism has grown in Kashmir no doubt about it. It has a lot to do with wahabism putting forward very black and white concepts which are easy to grasp for the intellectually weak (and we can curse Moulana Hazrat google for making young kids believe they can just understand matters of Fiqh by a simple google search). However, given the general pacifying and mellow nature of Kashmiri society, they aren't as extreme as the Wahabis of the world. The tendency to act like takfiris is there though. Please dont go by usernames on social media. They are highly misleading. Kashmir still is the land of Sufi saints and a vast majority are Hanafis and lovers of concepts of Tasawwuf and Tawassul.

There is an effort to popularise wahabism though. Lots of funds come in to build "Ahle Hadith" masjids and they have popped up in quite a lot of places. From my interactions with some students of Islamic studies in Kashmir university, i found out that they are even teaching beliefs closer to Wahabism in the state university. This was shocking for me personally. But people are aware now which is good.

I dont even blame all wahabis/salafis etc. Some of them are good and humble people by nature and its important to stay united with such people. We aren't takfiris. We still believe they are muslims. We have no right to call them or people of any sect as non muslims as long as they are on the Shahada. That is between them and God. However, we have to look at ideological baselines of Wahabism which are dangerous because a lot of times it tries to put forward a one-dimensional, literalist point of view of Islam and doesnt take into account the flexibility which is infact the reason why Islam spread in the first place.

It’s a shame our friend Yatoo doesn’t post anymore. I crossed swords with him a few times on this issue, but he was quite well-versed on these topics from a Salafi perspective, so it made for good debate. I imagine he would’ve had quite a bit to say about Salafism in Kashmir.

I’m curious though how the influx of Wahhabi money plays out in the context of the freedom movement. The money being most likely Saudi in origin, and given Pakistan being squarely in the Saudi camp for better or for worse and there being entities in Pakistan that also receive Saudi funds and are active in Kashmir too, do these details color people’s opinion of Pakistan in any way?

As an aside, I happened across a recent video of Farooq Abdullah (or Farooq Daand as Kashmiris call him) exhorting a female audience to pray namaaz regularly. What a multi-faceted creature he is...
 
It’s a shame our friend Yatoo doesn’t post anymore. I crossed swords with him a few times on this issue, but he was quite well-versed on these topics from a Salafi perspective, so it made for good debate. I imagine he would’ve had quite a bit to say about Salafism in Kashmir.
Yes i remember him. He was a nice addition to this forum. Actually i have noticed a general trend that Salafis are more vocal on social media as compared to other groups.

I’m curious though how the influx of Wahhabi money plays out in the context of the freedom movement. The money being most likely Saudi in origin, and given Pakistan being squarely in the Saudi camp for better or for worse and there being entities in Pakistan that also receive Saudi funds and are active in Kashmir too, do these details color people’s opinion of Pakistan in any way?

Well i cant say for certain where exactly the funds comes from but its pretty much obvious that Saudi plays a major role in proliferation of this ideology. And this ideology by default supports any legtimate or illegitimate struggle of militant outfits. However we must not forget that the Kashmiri struggle is a legitimate indegenous struggle and started when the wahabi phenomenon didnt exist in the area. Pakistan's image by and large is not affected by it. You can either call it love or ignorance ;)

As an aside, I happened across a recent video of Farooq Abdullah (or Farooq Daand as Kashmiris call him) exhorting a female audience to pray namaaz regularly. What a multi-faceted creature he is...

Oh who have you mentioned!! This individual is a snake. He sings Bhajans in hindu gatherings praising their deities and when people object to it (as would be expected in a monotheistic society), he tells the people that they are the ones who arent seeing it properly and that he didnt do anything. Means its the people (the lot of them) who are crazy and are seeing things which didnt happen. And then he tells people to offer Namaaz like you mentioned. Dont for a moment think that he has gone senile in old age. He was always like this. There are a lot of facts about him which cannot even be discussed here. His family has played a pivotal role in putting Kashmir in the position that it is right now. 3 generations have sucked the blood of Kashmiris. By the way how do you know that he is called a Daand (ox) :))
 
The US has a track record for fomenting strife by extremists for short term gain and not understanding the long term consequences.

Like Cersei arming the Faith Militant.
 
West did not force the Saudi's to adopt Wahabbism. They did it to oppress their people and force their superiority complex and Arab culture on other Muslims.
 
The recent attack on Sri Lanka showed the danger of militant salafism and the dangers it poses to young men who only have ever read a dummy’s guide to Islam
The ongoing attacks in Sinai and tripoli as well as the introduction of Wahhabism in Bosnia can only spell destruction
 
Saudi Arabia was founded on the back of two western empires... In s this news to anyone?
 
Oh who have you mentioned!! This individual is a snake. He sings Bhajans in hindu gatherings praising their deities and when people object to it (as would be expected in a monotheistic society), he tells the people that they are the ones who arent seeing it properly and that he didnt do anything. Means its the people (the lot of them) who are crazy and are seeing things which didnt happen. And then he tells people to offer Namaaz like you mentioned. Dont for a moment think that he has gone senile in old age. He was always like this. There are a lot of facts about him which cannot even be discussed here. His family has played a pivotal role in putting Kashmir in the position that it is right now. 3 generations have sucked the blood of Kashmiris. By the way how do you know that he is called a Daand (ox) :))

As far as his father is concerned, I lay part of the blame on the Muslim leadership pre-partition. They should’ve made more of a concerted effort to court him when he was on the verge of breaking off from the Muslim Conference to form the National Conference, instead of allowing him to fall under Nehru’s sway, and once they did belatedly approach him, it was too late. Whatever his failings, he was at that time genuinely popular in the valley. This entire conflict simmering for 73 years could’ve been avoided.

The Daand reference I read online, and repeatedly. It’s almost like Kashmiris never ever refer to him by his actual name: it’s always Farooq Daand.
 
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