Sri Lanka A v Pakistan A |1st u/o ODI | Columbo | 20/9/09

[IAJ]

Thats it! Pakistan win by 68 runs!
Our man of the match: Ahmed Shehzad

 

[Juggernaut]

Pakistan A won by 68 runs D/L Method

 

[hur rizvi]

Thats it! Pakistan win by 68 runs!
Our man of the match: Ahmed Shehzad

His prize should be CT selection

 

[Extreme Pace]

Abdur Rehman has also been doing pretty well with the ball, Wahab cleaned up the tail pretty quick. Good win for Pakistan A, even with some useless players* in the team they are still doing pretty well on this tour.


* Fasial Iqbal, Fahad Iqbal, Naveed Arif, Nayyar Abbas.

 

[Juggernaut]

Abdur Rehman has also been doing pretty well with the ball, Wahab cleaned up the tail pretty quick. Good win for Pakistan A, even with some useless players* in the team they are still doing pretty well on this tour.


* Fasial Iqbal, Fahad Iqbal, Naveed Arif, Nayyar Abbas.

Nayyar Abbas hasn't even played a game so I dunno how he can be called useless

 

[Wassixpakistani]

Wahab and Shehzad will definitely get in the CT squad .

 

[Juggernaut]

Wahab and Shehzad will definitely get in the CT squad .

For all those people saying Shehzad should make the CT sqaud.

He hasn't been named in the probable's.

I know thats not the be all and end all but just wanted to make sure that people are aware of this.

 

[Wassixpakistani]

For all those people saying Shehzad should make the CT sqaud.

He hasn't been named in the probable's.

I know thats not the be all and end all but just wanted to make sure that people are aware of this.

Maybe this innings today would have caught their eyes and qasim has a change of thought , I am still hoping for that to happen .

 

[hasanb]

Another disappointing match for mohammed talha, id be interested to know which action he bowled with in this match...

He took a wicket but went for an astonishing 8.8 runs an over in his 5 over spell!

 

[IMMY69]

Another disappointing match for mohammed talha, id be interested to know which action he bowled with in this match...

He took a wicket but went for an astonishing 8.8 runs an over in his 5 over spell!

action no.2 perhaps or maybe no.3?

 

[IAJ]

action no.2 perhaps or maybe no.3?

Does he keep changing his actions from game to game?

He should try his luck as a spinner now, if he has tried everything else.

 

[Ali888]

amazing amount of armchair analysis going on based on a scorecard for a ODI which was basically a 20-20

 

[Mercenary]

Can anyone explain why Wahab Riaz doesn't take the new ball and comes so late in ODIS ? I certainly hope he isn't turning into a one dimensional bowler. Someone should help him with the new ball.

Wahab is considered an old ball expert bit like Gul so that may be why he bowls later in the game

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Wahab is considered an old ball expert bit like Gul so that may be why he bowls later in the game

Oh wow..do we have any good decent opening bowlers in Pakistan?

Upcoming..beside Mohammad Aamer and Mohammad Asif..

 

[Extreme Pace]

Nayyar Abbas hasn't even played a game so I dunno how he can be called useless

He was selected on the whim of a high ranking PCB official, he wasn't in the original squad but the said official gave Wasim bari a call.......This is my books makes him useless selected not on the basis of merit but safarish.

Wahab is considered an old ball expert bit like Gul so that may be why he bowls later in the game

That really worries me, Merc if you can tell him to improve his new ball skills as well. PCB really needs to do something about this, the domestic pitches are killing new ball bowlers.

 

[Juggernaut]

He was selected on the whim of a high ranking PCB official, he wasn't in the original squad but the said official gave Wasim bari a call.......This is my books makes him useless selected not on the basis of merit but safarish.

Can I just ask how sure you are about this? Or even where you got you're info?

If you have a look at his first class stats they are very impressive. Maybe, just maybe, he was selected on merit.

 

[Boi]

am I the only fan of Azhar Ali here. I feel he's just the guy we need opening in test matches does not make big scores but most of the times he blunts the new ball.

Agree with you Xoib. Azhar Ali deserves a chance in the New Zealand series.

 

[Mercenary]

Oh wow..do we have any good decent opening bowlers in Pakistan?

Upcoming..beside Mohammad Aamer and Mohammad Asif..

It's a problem that goes a bit like this..

Any bowler with a bit of pace 140k+ will get a lot of help from reverse swing, so that bowler like Wahab, Talha, etc will try to concentrate on moving the old ball.

On the other hand bowlers without too much pace like Fazle Akbar, Anwar Ali, Shahid Nazir, Sohail Tanvir, Mohamamd Asif, etc will learn to move the new ball.

Now as a nation our selectors and fans alike are blinded by pace. We just want pace, pace, pace. We dont mind seeing guys like Sohail Khan, Wahab, Talha, Sami etc getting smashed around because they have pace and will eventually come good.

However we cant stand to see guys like Shahid Nazir, Tanvir, Fazle, etc get chances unless they take wickets and bowl economical every time they take the field.

So youngsters want to be fast reverse swing bowlers because they get so much love and adulation regardless of how rubbish they bowl. On the other hand the guys who may not have the pace but can use the new ball dont get prolonged chances with the team. One or two failures and they're dropped.

Look at the case of Gul. He burst onto the scene moving the new ball with pace. But at the time (2002) his average 145-ish pace was considered too slow. Today he'd have been the fastest bowler we have but back then he was slow!! I remember Rana clocking 146k in 2005 with an average speed over 140k but we called him slow. Today when Sohail Khan or Wahab do the same thing they're called express!!

All we wanted to see was Sami and Akhtar sending the ball down at 100mph from both ends!!

Gul became known as the Peshawar Rickshaw and it wasnt until that Lahore test that we took him seriously. Even then it was whispered that it was a fluke, Gul is too slow.

Gul's strength on his debut was that he made batsmen play outside the off stump and moved the ball back in as well. It made him hard to play with a new ball in his hand but he got little respect for it. Because we dont want to see a Glen McGrath we want to see Yorkers and Bouncers!!

So Gul returned and now he is a reverse swing king who yorks and bounces the batsmen to our hearts content but unfortunately he's lost that ability to make the new ball talk. Does Gul care?

Why should he? He's a hero at the death of the innings!!

 

[mmkextreme_1]

It's a problem that goes a bit like this..

Any bowler with a bit of pace 140k+ will get a lot of help from reverse swing, so that bowler like Wahab, Talha, etc will try to concentrate on moving the old ball.

On the other hand bowlers without too much pace like Fazle Akbar, Anwar Ali, Shahid Nazir, Sohail Tanvir, Mohamamd Asif, etc will learn to move the new ball.

Now as a nation our selectors and fans alike are blinded by pace. We just want pace, pace, pace. We dont mind seeing guys like Sohail Khan, Wahab, Talha, Sami etc getting smashed around because they have pace and will eventually come good.

However we cant stand to see guys like Shahid Nazir, Tanvir, Fazle, etc get chances unless they take wickets and bowl economical every time they take the field.

So youngsters want to be fast reverse swing bowlers because they get so much love and adulation regardless of how rubbish they bowl. On the other hand the guys who may not have the pace but can use the new ball dont get prolonged chances with the team. One or two failures and they're dropped.

Look at the case of Gul. He burst onto the scene moving the new ball with pace. But at the time (2002) his average 145-ish pace was considered too slow. Today he'd have been the fastest bowler we have but back then he was slow!! I remember Rana clocking 146k in 2005 with an average speed over 140k but we called him slow. Today when Sohail Khan or Wahab do the same thing they're called express!!

All we wanted to see was Sami and Akhtar sending the ball down at 100mph from both ends!!

Gul became known as the Peshawar Rickshaw and it wasnt until that Lahore test that we took him seriously. Even then it was whispered that it was a fluke, Gul is too slow.

Gul's strength on his debut was that he made batsmen play outside the off stump and moved the ball back in as well. It made him hard to play with a new ball in his hand but he got little respect for it. Because we dont want to see a Glen McGrath we want to see Yorkers and Bouncers!!

So Gul returned and now he is a reverse swing king who yorks and bounces the batsmen to our hearts content but unfortunately he's lost that ability to make the new ball talk. Does Gul care?

Why should he? He's a hero at the death of the innings!!

I must say class post Merc bro!! I totally agree...

We can't have Waqar or Wasim all the time..who were masters with both!!

 

[Juggernaut]

^^The first time I came on this forum whenever I saw a thread about bowler's it went something along the line's of ''he has no pace, he is crap etc. etc.'' I've always reiterated that express pace is useless if it doesn't enhance you're effectiveness as a bowler.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Another question is..are they training Ahmed Shehzad to be a one down batsman? Because he hasn't really opened in this series?

 

[Mercenary]

I must say class post Merc bro!! I totally agree...

We can't have Waqar or Wasim all the time..who were masters with both!!

Imran, Waqar, Wasim and Akhtar have kind of messed us up because we now expect express pace as well as great bowling from any potential fast bowler.

If guys like Fazal Amhmood and Sarfaraz Nawaz debuted today they would be ridiculed on PP and called parchi, sifarishi players. They'd be lassi makers and chai waala's

The only reason Asif gets any respect is because he's a once in a lifetime sort of bowler who would be deadly whatever pace he bowls at. Even after Asif's first test most PPers (and Pak fans) were saying he was some general's son and they've no idea why he got into the team at his pace!!

It wasn't until he got his chance in 2006 against India and did what he did at Karachi that people changed their minds about Asif. Imagine if Karachi had been a dead track??

I see lots of PPers calling for Anwar Ali but if he played and regularly clocked in the 130ks then same posters would be asking for him to be dropped. They'd want him to increase his pace.

Unfortunately this is a terminal disease we've been affected with and we wont be able to get rid of it for many generations!

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Imran, Waqar, Wasim and Akhtar have kind of messed us up because we now expect express pace as well as great bowling from any potential fast bowler.

If guys like Fazal Amhmood and Sarfaraz Nawaz debuted today they would be ridiculed on PP and called parchi, sifarishi players. They'd be lassi makers and chai waala's

The only reason Asif gets any respect is because he's a once in a lifetime sort of bowler who would be deadly whatever pace he bowls at. Even after Asif's first test most PPers (and Pak fans) were saying he was some general's son and they've no idea why he got into the team at his pace!!

It wasn't until he got his chance in 2006 against India and did what he did at Karachi that people changed their minds about Asif. Imagine if Karachi had been a dead track??

I see lots of PPers calling for Anwar Ali but if he played and regularly clocked in the 130ks then same posters would be asking for him to be dropped. They'd want him to increase his pace.

Unfortunately this is a terminal disease we've been affected with and we wont be able to get rid of it for many generations!

Again bro spot on..

The part I just bolded..I think that had a lot to do with with Talha's and Sohail Khans mess up on there debut test matches..how do you expect new guys to take wickets on those type of tracks..where teams are easily reaching 650-700..I think it was a totally unfair debut for those two! How about if both of them had debuted in SA?! Would it have been the same?..I think the PCB seriously needs to do something about this issue..then again the incompetency of the PCB!..

 

[hasanb]

Again bro spot on..

The part I just bolded..I think that had a lot to do with with Talha's and Sohail Khans mess up on there debut test matches..how do you expect new guys to take wickets on those type of tracks..where teams are easily reaching 650-700..I think it was a totally unfair debut for those two! How about if both of them had debuted in SA?! Would it have been the same?..I think the PCB seriously needs to do something about this issue..then again the incompetency of the PCB!..

Actually they cant do anything anymore since there wont be any cricket in Pakistan till after the 2011 world cup at least and that is extremely painful to even type...

However whenever cricket does return to Pakistan...I really hope they produce some really spicy pitches, some nice green tops to make playing in cricket Paistan an attractive prospect.

 

[Extreme Pace]

Can I just ask how sure you are about this? Or even where you got you're info?

If you have a look at his first class stats they are very impressive. Maybe, just maybe, he was selected on merit.

I heard it on the tv from Yahya Husseni the "geo super guy", but that's not the first time i have heard about him there have been murmurs about him before right here on PP.

Actually they cant do anything anymore since there wont be any cricket in Pakistan till after the 2011 world cup at least and that is extremely painful to even type...

However whenever cricket does return to Pakistan...I really hope they produce some really spicy pitches, some nice green tops to make playing in cricket Paistan an attractive prospect.

There is still domestic cricket going on which is crucial to the development of new players. Other then the reason Merc explained another one is dead flat pitches which give no help to new ball bowlers as a result most fast bowlers end up relying on pace, reverse swing and bounce to get batsmen out. Anyone who has good new ball skills pretty much becomes useless.

P.S The irony to the whole debate is my username, i have been spoiled by
:younis

 

[hasanb]

There is still domestic cricket going on which is crucial to the development of new players. Other then the reason Merc explained another one is dead flat pitches which give no help to new ball bowlers as a result most fast bowlers end up relying on pace, reverse swing and bounce to get batsmen out. Anyone who has good new ball skills pretty much becomes useless.

I agree with you on this, grass roots development is key for Pakistan and traditionally the PCB has done nothing in this regard. However the new selection committee seems to be singling out young talent more than previous ones have.

We already have a quality NCA, the next step here is to address the pitches being used for the domestic game.

 

[Legendary_Sage]

It's a problem that goes a bit like this..

Any bowler with a bit of pace 140k+ will get a lot of help from reverse swing, so that bowler like Wahab, Talha, etc will try to concentrate on moving the old ball.

On the other hand bowlers without too much pace like Fazle Akbar, Anwar Ali, Shahid Nazir, Sohail Tanvir, Mohamamd Asif, etc will learn to move the new ball.

Now as a nation our selectors and fans alike are blinded by pace. We just want pace, pace, pace. We dont mind seeing guys like Sohail Khan, Wahab, Talha, Sami etc getting smashed around because they have pace and will eventually come good.

However we cant stand to see guys like Shahid Nazir, Tanvir, Fazle, etc get chances unless they take wickets and bowl economical every time they take the field.

So youngsters want to be fast reverse swing bowlers because they get so much love and adulation regardless of how rubbish they bowl. On the other hand the guys who may not have the pace but can use the new ball dont get prolonged chances with the team. One or two failures and they're dropped.

Look at the case of Gul. He burst onto the scene moving the new ball with pace. But at the time (2002) his average 145-ish pace was considered too slow. Today he'd have been the fastest bowler we have but back then he was slow!! I remember Rana clocking 146k in 2005 with an average speed over 140k but we called him slow. Today when Sohail Khan or Wahab do the same thing they're called express!!

All we wanted to see was Sami and Akhtar sending the ball down at 100mph from both ends!!

Gul became known as the Peshawar Rickshaw and it wasnt until that Lahore test that we took him seriously. Even then it was whispered that it was a fluke, Gul is too slow.

Gul's strength on his debut was that he made batsmen play outside the off stump and moved the ball back in as well. It made him hard to play with a new ball in his hand but he got little respect for it. Because we dont want to see a Glen McGrath we want to see Yorkers and Bouncers!!

So Gul returned and now he is a reverse swing king who yorks and bounces the batsmen to our hearts content but unfortunately he's lost that ability to make the new ball talk. Does Gul care?

Why should he? He's a hero at the death of the innings!!

Merc i agree with most part of your post specially the one that as nation we are blind followers of pace battery.
But you should acknowledge one thing that in test cricket players like Shahid Nazir,Sohail tanvir,Anwar ali,Rao iftikhar can not run through a batting line up.they are just good back up bowlers and are effective on SUPPORTING pitches.
Where as in pakistan we know that for some odd reason we have a history of preparing dead tracks.Even when we had best pace attack in the world aka :younis we prepared dead tracks.
Maybe it has something to do with our fragile batting line up and we always look for a safe option of draw due to that.
The point i am trying to make is that with that kind of pitches we can't afford to win matches with good back up bowlers we need bowlers who can produce something special rather then just line and length.

 

[Wassixpakistani]

How the heck can our batsmen be good if they play on dead tracks . We really need more green tops and sporting pitches in the domestic circuit if we are to save our future , or else I see Aus,Nz,Sa bowling attacks ripping through our batting line-ups like a scissor through a paper.

 

[Legendary_Sage]

How the heck can our batsmen be good if they play on dead tracks . We really need more green tops and sporting pitches in the domestic circuit if we are to save our future , or else I see Aus,Nz,Sa bowling attacks ripping through our batting line-ups like a scissor through a paper.

I am not supporting the idea of playing cricket on dead tracks.But it seems as if our think tank doesn't think highly of our batting line up now and even in the past.
thats why in wasim,waqar days we use to prepare dead tracks to avoid batting failures which shows negative mind set.
But i dont see PCB will make any effort or put any thought process to rectify this problem.
we always hear that pitch will be supporting one and in the end it turn out to be the flattest track in the world.
Thats one of the reasons we have to rely on pace or exceptional line and length talent like to win us test matches.