Stats Thread : In-depth classification of all-rounders according to detailed statistics

jeetu · Dec 1, 2016

Allrounders gives team great balance. A good allrounder should be able to be find a spot in team both as a batsman and bowler.
A perfect allrounder is a mix of ATG batsman + ATG bowler. So far in no one has been able to claim that spot. But some ATG A/R's have reached that for a span of 3-4 years.

I am using following table to categorized Batsman and Bowlers by average. Its not a perfect table because it doesn't take account of factors like longevity , quality of opposition etc.

Batman	Avg 50+	Avg (40-50)	Avg (30-40)	Avg (25-30)
Status	Great	Good	Decent	Average

Bowler	Under 25	Under 30	Under 35	Under 40
Status	Great	Good	Decent	Average

Based on above table AR can be categorized.

AR Status	Bat 50+	Bat (40-50)	Bat (35-40)	Bat (30-35)	Bat (25-30)
Bowl Under 25	Undefined	Undefined	GOAT Bowling AR	ATG Bowling AR	Great Bowling AR
Bowl (25-30)	Undefined	GOAT AR	ATG AR	Great AR	Good Bowling AR
Bowl (30-35)	GOAT Batting AR	ATG Batting AR	Great Batting AR	Good AR	Decent Bowling AR
Bowl (35-40)	Good Batting AR	Decent Batting AR	Average Batting AR	Average AR	Bits and Pieces AR

No AR over a full career has averaged above 40 with bat and under 25 with ball.
Some A/R's over a span of 3-4 years have done it though.
I selected some performances (min 1000 runs , 50 wickets)

50+ bat avg and Under 25 bowl average - Shaun Pollock (2001-03)
Gary Sobers nearly achieved the same (1961-63)

45+ bat avg and Under 20 bowl average - Imran Khan (1980-83)

Table for 6 great AR with career records and peak year performance.

Name	Record	Span	Mat	Runs	Bat Av	100	Wkts	Bowl Av	5W	Ave Diff
Gary Sobers	Overall	1954-1974	93	8032	57.78	26	235	34.03	6	23.74
Gary Sobers	filtered	1961-1963	13	1021	51.05	4	55	25.43	3	25.61

Ian Botham	Overall	1977-1992	102	5200	33.54	14	383	28.4	27	5.14
Ian Botham	filtered	1978-1980	29	1480	36.09	6	143	20.2	12	15.88

Imran Khan	Overall	1971-1992	88	3807	37.69	6	362	22.81	23	14.88
Imran Khan	filtered	1980-1983	25	1176	45.23	2	134	16.35	11	28.88

Jacques Kallis	Overall	1995-2013	166	13289	55.37	45	292	32.65	5	22.71
Jacques Kallis	filtered	1999-2002	43	3436	62.47	9	105	27.7	3	34.76

Keith Miller	Overall	1946-1956	55	2958	36.97	7	170	22.97	7	13.99
Keith Miller	filtered	1949-1952	17	1047	38.77	2	62	20.12	3	18.64

Shaun Pollock	Overall	1995-2008	108	3781	32.31	2	421	23.11	16	9.19
Shaun Pollock	filtered	2001-2003	29	1256	54.6	2	115	21.85	6	32.75

jeetu · Dec 1, 2016

To classify every A/R , i use the table for all players with atleast 50 wickets and 20+ batting average.
Note - In some cases i made exception.

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Player 	Teams 	Span 	Mat 	Runs 	Bat Av 	100	Wkts 	BowlAv 	5W	Ave Diff	Runs|Match	Wickets|Match
A Flintoff 	ENG|ICC 	1998-2009 	79	3845	31.77	5	226	32.78	3	-1.01	48.67	2.86
A Mishra 	INDIA 	2008-2016 	21	648	21.6	0	74	35.1	1	-13.5	30.86	3.52
Abdul Razzaq 	PAK 	1999-2006 	46	1946	28.61	3	100	36.94	1	-8.32	42.3	2.17
AK Davidson 	AUS 	1953-1963 	44	1328	24.59	0	186	20.53	14	4.06	30.18	4.23
AM Blignaut 	ZIM 	2001-2005 	19	886	26.84	0	53	37.05	3	-10.2	46.63	2.79
Asif Iqbal 	PAK 	1964-1980 	58	3575	38.85	11	53	28.33	2	10.51	61.64	0.91
AW Greig 	ENG 	1972-1977 	58	3599	40.43	8	141	32.2	6	8.23	62.05	2.43
B Lee 	AUS 	1999-2008 	76	1451	20.15	0	310	30.81	10	-10.66	19.09	4.08
BA Stokes 	ENG 	2013-2016 	30	1824	35.07	4	78	33.52	3	1.55	60.8	2.6
BD Julien 	WI 	1973-1977 	24	866	30.92	2	50	37.36	1	-6.43	36.08	2.08
BE Congdon 	NZ 	1965-1978 	61	3448	32.22	7	59	36.5	1	-4.28	56.52	0.97
BM McMillan 	SA 	1992-1998 	38	1968	39.36	3	75	33.82	0	5.53	51.79	1.97
BR Knight 	ENG 	1961-1969 	29	812	26.19	2	70	31.75	0	-5.56	28	2.41
BR Taylor 	NZ 	1965-1973 	30	898	20.4	2	111	26.6	4	-6.19	29.93	3.7
C Kelleway 	AUS 	1910-1928 	26	1422	37.42	3	52	32.36	1	5.05	54.69	2
C Sharma 	INDIA 	1984-1989 	23	396	22	0	61	35.45	4	-13.45	17.22	2.65
C White 	ENG 	1994-2002 	30	1052	24.46	1	59	37.62	3	-13.16	35.07	1.97
CC Lewis 	ENG 	1990-1996 	32	1105	23.02	1	93	37.52	3	-14.5	34.53	2.91
CL Cairns 	NZ 	1989-2004 	62	3320	33.53	5	218	29.4	13	4.13	53.55	3.52
CL Vincent 	SA 	1927-1935 	25	526	20.23	0	84	31.32	3	-11.09	21.04	3.36
DA Allen 	ENG 	1960-1966 	39	918	25.5	0	122	30.97	4	-5.47	23.54	3.13
DAJ Holford 	WI 	1966-1977 	24	768	22.58	1	51	39.39	1	-16.8	32	2.13
DG Phadkar 	INDIA 	1947-1959 	31	1229	32.34	2	62	36.85	3	-4.51	39.65	2
DJ Bravo 	WI 	2004-2010 	40	2200	31.42	3	86	39.83	2	-8.4	55	2.15
DJ Nash 	NZ 	1992-2001 	32	729	23.51	0	93	28.48	3	-4.96	22.78	2.91
DJG Sammy 	WI 	2007-2013 	38	1323	21.68	1	84	35.79	4	-14.1	34.82	2.21
DL Vettori 	NZ|ICC	1997-2014 	113	4531	30	6	362	34.36	20	-4.36	40.1	3.2
ER Dexter 	ENG 	1958-1968 	62	4502	47.89	9	66	34.93	0	12.95	72.61	1.06
FE Woolley 	ENG 	1909-1934 	64	3283	36.07	5	83	33.91	4	2.16	51.3	1.3
FJ Titmus 	ENG 	1955-1975 	53	1449	22.29	0	153	32.22	7	-9.93	27.34	2.89
FMM Worrell 	WI 	1948-1963 	51	3860	49.48	9	69	38.72	2	10.76	75.69	1.35
G Giffen 	AUS 	1881-1896 	31	1238	23.35	1	103	27.09	7	-3.73	39.94	3.32
G Miller 	ENG 	1976-1984 	34	1213	25.8	0	60	30.98	1	-5.17	35.68	1.76
G Ulyett 	ENG 	1877-1890 	25	949	24.33	1	50	20.4	1	3.93	37.96	2
GA Faulkner 	SA 	1906-1924 	25	1754	40.79	4	82	26.58	4	14.2	70.16	3.28
GE Gomez 	WI 	1939-1954 	29	1243	30.31	1	58	27.41	1	2.9	42.86	2
GH Hirst 	ENG 	1897-1909 	24	790	22.57	0	59	30	3	-7.42	32.92	2.46
GJ Gilmour 	AUS 	1973-1977 	15	483	23	1	54	26.03	3	-3.03	32.2	3.6
GOB Allen 	ENG 	1930-1948 	25	750	24.19	1	81	29.37	5	-5.17	30	3.24
GP Swann 	ENG 	2008-2013 	60	1370	22.09	0	255	29.96	17	-7.87	22.83	4.25
GS Sobers 	WI 	1954-1974 	93	8032	57.78	26	235	34.03	6	23.74	86.37	2.53
H Verity 	ENG 	1931-1939 	40	669	20.9	0	144	24.37	5	-3.46	16.73	3.6
HH Streak 	ZIM 	1993-2005 	65	1990	22.35	1	216	28.14	7	-5.78	30.62	3.32
IK Pathan 	INDIA 	2003-2008 	29	1105	31.57	1	100	32.26	7	-0.68	38.1	3.45
Imran Khan 	PAK 	1971-1992 	88	3807	37.69	6	362	22.81	23	14.88	43.26	4.11
Intikhab Alam 	PAK 	1959-1977 	47	1493	22.28	1	125	35.95	5	-13.66	31.77	2.66
IT Botham 	ENG 	1977-1992 	102	5200	33.54	14	383	28.4	27	5.14	50.98	3.75
JDP Oram 	NZ 	2002-2009 	33	1780	36.32	5	60	33.05	0	3.27	53.94	1.82
JE Emburey 	ENG 	1978-1995 	64	1713	22.53	0	147	38.4	6	-15.86	26.77	2.3
JEC Franklin 	NZ 	2001-2013 	31	808	20.71	1	82	33.97	3	-13.25	26.06	2.65
JG Bracewell 	NZ 	1980-1990 	41	1001	20.42	1	102	35.81	4	-15.38	24.41	2.49
JH Kallis 	SA|ICC	1995-2013 	166	13289	55.37	45	292	32.65	5	22.71	80.05	1.76
JH Sinclair 	SA 	1896-1911 	25	1069	23.23	3	63	31.68	1	-8.44	42.76	2.52
JL Pattinson 	AUS 	2011-2016 	17	332	27.66	0	70	26.15	4	1.5	19.53	4.12
JM Gregory 	AUS 	1920-1928 	24	1146	36.96	2	85	31.15	4	5.81	47.75	3.54
JR Ratnayeke 	SL 	1982-1989 	22	807	25.21	0	56	35.21	4	-9.99	36.68	2.55
JR Reid 	NZ 	1949-1965 	58	3428	33.28	6	85	33.35	1	-0.07	59.1	1.47
KD Boyce 	WI 	1971-1976 	21	657	24.33	0	60	30.01	2	-5.68	31.29	2.86
KD Ghavri 	INDIA 	1974-1981 	39	913	21.23	0	109	33.54	4	-12.3	23.41	2.79
KD Mackay 	AUS 	1956-1963 	37	1507	33.48	0	50	34.42	2	-0.93	40.73	1.35
KJ O'Keeffe 	AUS 	1971-1977 	24	644	25.76	0	53	38.07	1	-12.31	26.83	2.21
KR Miller 	AUS 	1946-1956 	55	2958	36.97	7	170	22.97	7	13.99	53.78	3.09
L Klusener 	SA 	1996-2004 	49	1906	32.86	4	80	37.91	1	-5.05	38.9	1.63
M Prabhakar 	INDIA 	1984-1995 	39	1600	32.65	1	96	37.3	3	-4.64	41.03	2.46
MA Noble 	AUS 	1898-1909 	42	1997	30.25	1	121	25	9	5.25	47.55	2.88
MA Starc 	AUS 	2011-2016 	31	839	23.3	0	129	27.66	7	-4.36	27.06	4.16
MG Johnson 	AUS 	2007-2015 	73	2065	22.2	1	313	28.4	12	-6.2	28.29	4.29
MH Mankad 	INDIA 	1946-1959 	44	2109	31.47	5	162	32.32	8	-0.84	47.93	3.68
MM Ali 	ENG 	2014-2016 	35	1687	33.07	4	95	39.72	2	-6.64	48.2	2.71
Mohammad Hafeez 	PAK 	2003-2016 	50	3452	39.22	9	52	33.9	0	5.32	69.04	1.04
Mudassar Nazar 	PAK 	1976-1989 	76	4114	38.09	10	66	38.36	1	-0.27	54.13	0.87
Mushtaq Mohammad 	PAK 	1959-1979 	57	3643	39.17	10	79	29.22	3	9.94	63.91	1.39
MW Tate 	ENG 	1924-1935 	39	1198	25.48	1	155	26.16	7	-0.67	30.72	3.97
N Kapil Dev 	INDIA 	1978-1994 	131	5248	31.05	8	434	29.64	23	1.4	40.06	3.31
NM Hauritz 	AUS 	2004-2010 	17	426	25.05	0	63	34.98	2	-9.92	25.06	3.71
PA Strang 	ZIM 	1994-2001 	24	839	27.06	1	70	36.02	4	-8.96	34.96	2.92
PM Pollock 	SA 	1961-1970 	28	607	21.67	0	116	24.18	9	-2.51	21.68	4.14
PR Reiffel 	AUS 	1992-1998 	35	955	26.52	0	104	26.96	5	-0.43	27.29	2.97
R Ashwin 	INDIA 	2011-2016 	42	1749	34.98	4	235	24.75	22	10.22	41.64	5.6
R Benaud 	AUS 	1952-1964 	63	2201	24.45	3	248	27.03	16	-2.57	34.94	3.94
R Illingworth 	ENG 	1958-1973 	61	1836	23.24	2	122	31.2	3	-7.96	30.1	2
RA Jadeja 	INDIA 	2012-2016 	23	772	25.73	0	95	24.69	5	1.03	33.57	4.13
RG Nadkarni 	INDIA 	1955-1968 	41	1414	25.7	1	88	29.07	4	-3.37	34.49	2.15
RJ Harris 	AUS 	2010-2015 	27	603	21.53	0	113	23.52	5	-1.98	22.33	4.19
RR Lindwall 	AUS 	1946-1960 	61	1502	21.15	2	228	23.03	12	-1.87	24.62	3.74
RWV Robins 	ENG 	1929-1937 	19	612	26.6	1	64	27.46	1	-0.86	32.21	3.37
SA Durani 	INDIA 	1960-1973 	29	1202	25.04	1	75	35.42	3	-10.38	41.45	2.59
SCJ Broad 	ENG 	2007-2016 	101	2671	21.54	1	366	28.47	15	-6.93	26.45	3.62
Shakib Al Hasan 	BDESH 	2007-2016 	44	2929	39.05	3	159	32.18	15	6.86	66.57	3.61
RJ Hadlee 	NZ 	1973-1990 	86	3124	27.16	2	431	22.29	36	4.86	36.33	5.01
SM Pollock 	SA 	1995-2008 	108	3781	32.31	2	421	23.11	16	9.19	35.01	3.9
SR Watson 	AUS 	2005-2015 	59	3731	35.19	4	75	33.68	3	1.51	63.24	1.27
SR Waugh 	AUS 	1985-2004 	168	10927	51.06	32	92	37.44	3	13.61	65.04	0.55
ST Jayasuriya 	SL 	1991-2007 	110	6973	40.07	14	98	34.34	2	5.72	63.39	0.89
TE Bailey 	ENG 	1949-1959 	61	2290	29.74	1	132	29.21	5	0.52	37.54	2.16
TL Goddard 	SA 	1955-1970 	41	2516	34.46	1	123	26.22	5	8.23	61.37	3
TT Bresnan 	ENG 	2009-2013 	23	575	26.13	0	72	32.73	1	-6.59	25	3.13
VD Philander 	SA 	2011-2016 	37	891	24.08	0	142	22.21	10	1.86	24.08	3.84
W Barnes 	ENG 	1880-1890 	21	725	23.38	1	51	15.54	3	7.83	34.52	2.43
W Bates 	ENG 	1881-1887 	15	656	27.33	0	50	16.42	4	10.91	43.73	3.33
W Rhodes 	ENG 	1899-1930 	58	2325	30.19	2	127	26.96	6	3.22	40.09	2.19
Wasim Akram 	PAK 	1985-2002 	104	2898	22.64	3	414	23.62	25	-0.98	27.87	3.98
Wasim Raja 	PAK 	1973-1985 	57	2821	36.16	4	51	35.8	0	0.36	49.49	0.89
WPUJC Vaas 	SL 	1994-2009 	111	3089	24.32	1	355	29.58	12	-5.25	27.83	3.2
WR Hammond 	ENG 	1927-1947 	85	7249	58.45	22	83	37.8	2	20.65	85.28	0.98
WW Armstrong 	AUS 	1902-1921 	50	2863	38.68	6	87	33.59	3	5.09	57.26	1.74

From the above list players with less than 25 batting average , can be termed as bowlers who were Handy batsman (Borderline AR)

Borderline AR can be further divided by their bowling ability.

1. Great Borderline AR

Player	Teams	Span	Mat	Runs	Bat Av	100	Wkts	Bowl Av	5W	Ave Diff	Runs \|Match	Wickets \|Match
W Barnes	ENG	1880-1890	21	725	23.38	1	51	15.54	3	7.83	34.52	2.43
G Ulyett	ENG	1877-1890	25	949	24.33	1	50	20.4	1	3.93	37.96	2
AK Davidson	AUS	1953-1963	44	1328	24.59	0	186	20.53	14	4.06	30.18	4.23
VD Philander	SA	2011-2016	37	891	24.08	0	142	22.21	10	1.86	24.08	3.84
RR Lindwall	AUS	1946-1960	61	1502	21.15	2	228	23.03	12	-1.87	24.62	3.74
RJ Harris	AUS	2010-2015	27	603	21.53	0	113	23.52	5	-1.98	22.33	4.19
Wasim Akram	PAK	1985-2002	104	2898	22.64	3	414	23.62	25	-0.98	27.87	3.98
PM Pollock	SA	1961-1970	28	607	21.67	0	116	24.18	9	-2.51	21.68	4.14
H Verity	ENG	1931-1939	40	669	20.9	0	144	24.37	5	-3.46	16.73	3.6

Good Borderline AR

Player	Teams	Span	Mat	Runs	Bat Av	100	Wkts	Bowl Av	5W	Ave Diff	Runs \|Match	Wickets \|Match
GJ Gilmour	AUS	1973-1977	15	483	23	1	54	26.03	3	-3.03	32.2	3.6
BR Taylor	NZ	1965-1973	30	898	20.4	2	111	26.6	4	-6.19	29.93	3.7
G Giffen	AUS	1881-1896	31	1238	23.35	1	103	27.09	7	-3.73	39.94	3.32
MA Starc	AUS	2011-2016	31	839	23.3	0	129	27.66	7	-4.36	27.06	4.16
HH Streak	ZIM	1993-2005	65	1990	22.35	1	216	28.14	7	-5.78	30.62	3.32
MG Johnson	AUS	2007-2015	73	2065	22.2	1	313	28.4	12	-6.2	28.29	4.29
SCJ Broad	ENG	2007-2016	101	2671	21.54	1	366	28.47	15	-6.93	26.45	3.62
DJ Nash	NZ	1992-2001	32	729	23.51	0	93	28.48	3	-4.96	22.78	2.91
GOB Allen	ENG	1930-1948	25	750	24.19	1	81	29.37	5	-5.17	30	3.24
WPUJC Vaas	SL	1994-2009	111	3089	24.32	1	355	29.58	12	-5.25	27.83	3.2
GP Swann	ENG	2008-2013	60	1370	22.09	0	255	29.96	17	-7.87	22.83	4.25
GH Hirst	ENG	1897-1909	24	790	22.57	0	59	30	3	-7.42	32.92	2.46

Rest of Bordeline AR

Player	Teams	Span	Mat	Runs	Bat Av	100	Wkts	Bowl Av	5W	Ave Diff	Runs \|Match	Wickets \|Match
KD Boyce	WI	1971-1976	21	657	24.33	0	60	30.01	2	-5.68	31.29	2.86
B Lee	AUS	1999-2008	76	1451	20.15	0	310	30.81	10	-10.66	19.09	4.08
R Illingworth	ENG	1958-1973	61	1836	23.24	2	122	31.2	3	-7.96	30.1	2
CL Vincent	SA	1927-1935	25	526	20.23	0	84	31.32	3	-11.09	21.04	3.36
JH Sinclair	SA	1896-1911	25	1069	23.23	3	63	31.68	1	-8.44	42.76	2.52
FJ Titmus	ENG	1955-1975	53	1449	22.29	0	153	32.22	7	-9.93	27.34	2.89
KD Ghavri	INDIA	1974-1981	39	913	21.23	0	109	33.54	4	-12.3	23.41	2.79
JEC Franklin	NZ	2001-2013	31	808	20.71	1	82	33.97	3	-13.25	26.06	2.65
A Mishra	INDIA	2008-2016	21	648	21.6	0	74	35.1	1	-13.5	30.86	3.52
C Sharma	INDIA	1984-1989	23	396	22	0	61	35.45	4	-13.45	17.22	2.65
DJG Sammy	WI	2007-2013	38	1323	21.68	1	84	35.79	4	-14.1	34.82	2.21
JG Bracewell	NZ	1980-1990	41	1001	20.42	1	102	35.81	4	-15.38	24.41	2.49
Intikhab Alam	PAK	1959-1977	47	1493	22.28	1	125	35.95	5	-13.66	31.77	2.66
CC Lewis	ENG	1990-1996	32	1105	23.02	1	93	37.52	3	-14.5	34.53	2.91
C White	ENG	1994-2002	30	1052	24.46	1	59	37.62	3	-13.16	35.07	1.97
JE Emburey	ENG	1978-1995	64	1713	22.53	0	147	38.4	6	-15.86	26.77	2.3
DAJ Holford	WI	1966-1977	24	768	22.58	1	51	39.39	1	-16.8	32	2.13

jeetu · Dec 1, 2016

Some Players had decent Batting and bowling average but they were not considered as technically AR because they didn't bowl much. Some of these players were under utilized as bowlers.. In some case like M.Hafeez they were restricted from bowling. Statistically their wickets per match ratio were less than 1.5.
They can be classified as Good Part Time AR

Good Part Time Batting A/R

Player	Teams	Span	Mat	Runs	*Bat Av*	100	Wkts	*Bowl Av*	5W	*Ave Diff*	Runs \|Match	Wickets \|Match
WR Hammond	ENG	1927-1947	85	7249	58.45	22	83	37.8	2	20.65	85.28	0.98
SR Waugh	AUS	1985-2004	168	10927	51.06	32	92	37.44	3	13.61	65.04	0.55
ER Dexter	ENG	1958-1968	62	4502	47.89	9	66	34.93	0	12.95	72.61	1.06
FMM Worrell	WI	1948-1963	51	3860	49.48	9	69	38.72	2	10.76	75.69	1.35
Asif Iqbal	PAK	1964-1980	58	3575	*38.85*	11	53	*28.33*	2	*10.51*	61.64	0.91
Mushtaq Mohammad	PAK	1959-1979	57	3643	*39.17*	10	79	*29.22*	3	*9.94*	63.91	1.39
ST Jayasuriya	SL	1991-2007	110	6973	40.07	14	98	34.34	2	5.72	63.39	0.89
Mohammad Hafeez	PAK	2003-2016	50	3452	*39.22*	9	52	*33.9*	0	*5.32*	69.04	1.04
FE Woolley	ENG	1909-1934	64	3283	36.07	5	83	33.91	4	2.16	51.3	1.3
SR Watson	AUS	2005-2015	59	3731	35.19	4	75	33.68	3	1.51	63.24	1.27
Wasim Raja	PAK	1973-1985	57	2821	*36.16*	4	51	*35.8*	0	*0.36*	49.49	0.89
JR Reid	NZ	1949-1965	58	3428	33.28	6	85	33.35	1	-0.07	59.1	1.47
Mudassar Nazar	PAK	1976-1989	76	4114	*38.09*	10	66	*38.36*	1	*-0.27*	54.13	0.87
KD Mackay	AUS	1956-1963	37	1507	33.48	0	50	34.42	2	-0.93	40.73	1.35
BE Congdon	NZ	1965-1978	61	3448	32.22	7	59	36.5	1	-4.28	56.52	0.97

Quite a few famous Pakistani players featured in this list.

jeetu · Dec 1, 2016

Next on the list are all-rounders whose Bowling average was above 35 and batting average was below 30. So i categorized them Under Bits and Pieces AR. They were all talented AR who under performed in tests.

Bits and Pieces AR.

Player	Teams	Span	Mat	Runs	*Bat Av*	100	Wkts	Bowl Av	5W	*Ave Diff*	Runs \|Match	Wickets \|Match
SA Durani	INDIA	1960-1973	29	1202	25.04	1	75	35.42	3	-10.38	41.45	2.59
JR Ratnayeke	SL	1982-1989	22	807	25.21	0	56	35.21	4	-9.99	36.68	2.55
KJ O'Keeffe	AUS	1971-1977	24	644	25.76	0	53	38.07	1	-12.31	26.83	2.21
AM Blignaut	ZIM	2001-2005	19	886	26.84	0	53	37.05	3	-10.2	46.63	2.79
PA Strang	ZIM	1994-2001	24	839	27.06	1	70	36.02	4	-8.96	34.96	2.92
Abdul Razzaq	PAK	1999-2006	46	1946	28.61	3	100	36.94	1	-8.32	42.3	2.17

Next on the list are players who under performed with ball (35+ avg) but batted bit better (30-35 batting avg)

Average AR

Player	Teams	Span	Mat	Runs	*Bat Av*	100	Wkts	Bowl Av	5W	*Ave Diff*	Runs \|Match	Wickets \|Match
DG Phadkar	INDIA	1947-1959	31	1229	32.34	2	62	36.85	3	-4.51	39.65	2
M Prabhakar	INDIA	1984-1995	39	1600	32.65	1	96	37.3	3	-4.64	41.03	2.46
L Klusener	SA	1996-2004	49	1906	32.86	4	80	37.91	1	-5.05	38.9	1.63
BD Julien	WI	1973-1977	24	866	30.92	2	50	37.36	1	-6.43	36.08	2.08
MM Ali	ENG	2014-2016	35	1687	33.07	4	95	39.72	2	-6.64	48.2	2.71
DJ Bravo	WI	2004-2010	40	2200	31.42	3	86	39.83	2	-8.4	55	2.15

jeetu · Dec 1, 2016

Decent Bowling AR

Player	Teams	Span	Mat	Runs	*Bat Av*	100	Wkts	Bowl Av	5W	*Ave Diff*	Runs \|Match	Wickets \|Match
G Miller	ENG	1976-1984	34	1213	25.8	0	60	30.98	1	-5.17	35.68	1.76
DA Allen	ENG	1960-1966	39	918	25.5	0	122	30.97	4	-5.47	23.54	3.13
BR Knight	ENG	1961-1969	29	812	26.19	2	70	31.75	0	-5.56	28	2.41
TT Bresnan	ENG	2009-2013	23	575	26.13	0	72	32.73	1	-6.59	25	3.13
NM Hauritz	AUS	2004-2010	17	426	25.05	0	63	34.98	2	-9.92	25.06	3.71

Good Bowling AR

Player	Teams	Span	Mat	Runs	Bat Av	100	Wkts	Bowl Av	5W	Ave Diff	Runs \|Match	Wickets \|Match
JL Pattinson	AUS	2011-2016	17	332	27.66	0	70	26.15	4	1.5	19.53	4.12
TE Bailey	ENG	1949-1959	61	2290	29.74	1	132	29.21	5	0.52	37.54	2.16
PR Reiffel	AUS	1992-1998	35	955	26.52	0	104	26.96	5	-0.43	27.29	2.97
MW Tate	ENG	1924-1935	39	1198	25.48	1	155	26.16	7	-0.67	30.72	3.97
RWV Robins	ENG	1929-1937	19	612	26.6	1	64	27.46	1	-0.86	32.21	3.37
R Benaud	AUS	1952-1964	63	2201	24.45	3	248	27.03	16	-2.57	34.94	3.94
RG Nadkarni	INDIA	1955-1968	41	1414	25.7	1	88	29.07	4	-3.37	34.49	2.15

Good AR

Player	Teams	Span	Mat	Runs	*Bat Av*	100	Wkts	Bowl Av	5W	*Ave Diff*	Runs \|Match	Wickets \|Match
IK Pathan	INDIA	2003-2008	29	1105	31.57	1	100	32.26	7	-0.68	38.1	3.45
MH Mankad	INDIA	1946-1959	44	2109	31.47	5	162	32.32	8	-0.84	47.93	3.68
A Flintoff	ENG\|ICC	1998-2009	79	3845	31.77	5	226	32.78	3	-1.01	48.67	2.86
DL Vettori	NZ\|ICC	1997-2014	113	4531	30	6	362	34.36	20	-4.36	40.1	3.2

jeetu · Dec 1, 2016

Great Bowling AR

Player	Teams	Span	Mat	Runs	Bat Av	100	Wkts	Bowl Av	5W	Ave Diff	Runs \|Match	Wickets \|Match
W Bates	ENG	1881-1887	15	656	27.33	0	50	16.42	4	10.91	43.73	3.33
RJ Hadlee	NZ	1973-1990	86	3124	27.16	2	431	22.29	36	4.86	36.33	5.01
RA Jadeja	INDIA	2012-2016	23	772	25.73	0	95	24.69	5	1.03	33.57	4.13

Great Batting AR

Player	Teams	Span	Mat	Runs	*Bat Av*	100	Wkts	Bowl Av	5W	*Ave Diff*	Runs \|Match	Wickets \|Match
Shakib Al Hasan	BDESH	2007-2016	44	2929	39.05	3	159	32.18	15	6.86	66.57	3.61
JM Gregory	AUS	1920-1928	24	1146	36.96	2	85	31.15	4	5.81	47.75	3.54
BM McMillan	SA	1992-1998	38	1968	39.36	3	75	33.82	0	5.53	51.79	1.97
WW Armstrong	AUS	1902-1921	50	2863	38.68	6	87	33.59	3	5.09	57.26	1.74
C Kelleway	AUS	1910-1928	26	1422	37.42	3	52	32.36	1	5.05	54.69	2
JDP Oram	NZ	2002-2009	33	1780	36.32	5	60	33.05	0	3.27	53.94	1.82
BA Stokes	ENG	2013-2016	30	1824	35.07	4	78	33.52	3	1.55	60.8	2.6

Great AR
These player have most balanced stats. They were good in both batting and bowling but not great in either.

Player	Teams	Span	Mat	Runs	Bat Av	100	Wkts	Bowl Av	5W	Ave Diff	Runs \|Match	Wickets \|Match
W Rhodes	ENG	1899-1930	58	2325	30.19	2	127	26.96	6	3.22	40.09	2.19
GE Gomez	WI	1939-1954	29	1243	30.31	1	58	27.41	1	2.9	42.86	2
N Kapil Dev	INDIA	1978-1994	131	5248	31.05	8	434	29.64	23	1.4	40.06	3.31
CL Cairns	NZ	1989-2004	62	3320	33.53	5	218	29.4	13	4.13	53.55	3.52
IT Botham	ENG	1977-1992	102	5200	33.54	14	383	28.4	27	5.14	50.98	3.75
TL Goddard	SA	1955-1970	41	2516	34.46	1	123	26.22	5	8.23	61.37	3

jeetu · Dec 1, 2016

Now just All Time greats are left among the list.

All Time Great Batting Allrounder

Player	Teams	Span	Mat	Runs	*Bat Av*	100	Wkts	Bowl Av	5W	*Ave Diff*	Runs \|Match	Wickets \|Match
AW Greig	ENG	1972-1977	58	3599	40.43	8	141	32.2	6	8.23	62.05	2.43

All Time Great Bowling Allrounder

Player	Teams	Span	Mat	Runs	Bat Av	100	Wkts	Bowl Av	5W	Ave Diff	Runs \|Match	Wickets \|Match
SM Pollock	SA	1995-2008	108	3781	32.31	2	421	23.11	16	9.19	35.01	3.9
MA Noble	AUS	1898-1909	42	1997	30.25	1	121	25	9	5.25	47.55	2.88

Greatest of All Time Bowling AR

Player	Teams	Span	Mat	Runs	Bat Av	100	Wkts	Bowl Av	5W	Ave Diff	Runs \|Match	Wickets \|Match
Imran Khan	PAK	1971-1992	88	3807	37.69	6	362	22.81	23	14.88	43.26	4.11
KR Miller	AUS	1946-1956	55	2958	36.97	7	170	22.97	7	13.99	53.78	3.09
R Ashwin	INDIA	2011-2016	42	1749	34.98	4	235	24.75	22	10.22	41.64	5.6

Greatest of All Time Batting AR

Player	Teams	Span	Mat	Runs	*Bat Av*	100	Wkts	Bowl Av	5W	*Ave Diff*	Runs \|Match	Wickets \|Match
GS Sobers	WI	1954-1974	93	8032	57.78	26	235	34.03	6	23.74	86.37	2.53
JH Kallis	SA\|ICC	1995-2013	166	13289	55.37	45	292	32.65	5	22.71	80.05	1.76

Greatest of All Time AR

Player	Teams	Span	Mat	Runs	Bat Av	100	Wkts	Bowl Av	5W	Ave Diff	Runs \|Match	Wickets \|Match
GA Faulkner	SA	1906-1924	25	1754	40.79	4	82	26.58	4	14.2	70.16	3.28

street cricketer · Dec 1, 2016

Needless to say, top work [MENTION=53377]jeetu[/MENTION]!

jeetu · Dec 1, 2016

One thing that surprised was the Gulf lack of good AR for Pakistan apart from Imran. Other subcontinent teams have done better. Subcontinent has barely produced good AR.

jeetu · Dec 1, 2016

street cricketer said:
Needless to say, top work [MENTION=53377]jeetu[/MENTION]!

Thanks

Eht · Dec 1, 2016

Kapil Dev & M Marshall?

jeetu · Dec 1, 2016

Eht said:
Kapil Dev & M Marshall?

Kapil Dev in listed in Post #6 , among Great AR.
Malcom Marshall's batting average was less than 20 , that is why he is not in this list.

Bilal7 · Dec 1, 2016

What are you comments on Imran's 50+ batting average and under 20 bowling average, along with being a great captain, for a period of 10 years

jeetu · Dec 1, 2016

Bilal7 said:
What are you comments on Imran's 50+ batting average and under 20 bowling average, along with being a great captain, for a period of 10 years

Its a universally accepted fact that Imran is the greatest bowling all-rounder in the history of this game. Unlike most i was actually around when he was playing. Although i have seen him more of a batsman than bowler. (From 1984 onwards.) He was still quite fast in 1985-86.

jeetu · Dec 2, 2016

Summary

Statistically Best All-rounders can be devided in 2 Categories. Some of them are currently playing , so their position can change based on future performances.

Tier I
Aubrey Faulkner , Gary Sobers , Imran Khan , Jacques Kallis , Keith Miller, Monty Noble , Shaun Pollock , Tony Grieg
Current Players - Ravichandran Ashwin

Tier II
Billy Bates , Brian McMillan , Charles Kelleway , Chris Cairns , Gerry Gomez , Ian Botham , Jack Gregory , Jacob Oram , Kapil Dev , Richard Hadlee , Trevor Goddard , Warwick Armstrong , Wilfred Rhodes
Current Players - Ben Strokes , Ravindra Jadeja , Shakib Al Hasan

Nil Dhumrojal · Dec 2, 2016

jeetu said:
Now just All Time greats are left among the list.

All Time Great Batting Allrounder

Player Teams Span Mat Runs Bat Av 100 Wkts Bowl Av 5W Ave Diff Runs |Match Wickets |Match
AW Greig ENG 1972-1977 58 3599 40.43 8 141 32.2 6 8.23 62.05 2.43

All Time Great Bowling Allrounder

Player Teams Span Mat Runs Bat Av 100 Wkts Bowl Av 5W Ave Diff Runs |Match Wickets |Match
SM Pollock SA 1995-2008 108 3781 32.31 2 421 23.11 16 9.19 35.01 3.9
MA Noble AUS 1898-1909 42 1997 30.25 1 121 25 9 5.25 47.55 2.88

Greatest of All Time Bowling AR

Player Teams Span Mat Runs Bat Av 100 Wkts Bowl Av 5W Ave Diff Runs |Match Wickets |Match
Imran Khan PAK 1971-1992 88 3807 37.69 6 362 22.81 23 14.88 43.26 4.11
KR Miller AUS 1946-1956 55 2958 36.97 7 170 22.97 7 13.99 53.78 3.09
R Ashwin INDIA 2011-2016 42 1749 34.98 4 235 24.75 22 10.22 41.64 5.6

Greatest of All Time Batting AR

Player Teams Span Mat Runs Bat Av 100 Wkts Bowl Av 5W Ave Diff Runs |Match Wickets |Match
GS Sobers WI 1954-1974 93 8032 57.78 26 235 34.03 6 23.74 86.37 2.53
JH Kallis SA|ICC 1995-2013 166 13289 55.37 45 292 32.65 5 22.71 80.05 1.76

Greatest of All Time AR

Player Teams Span Mat Runs Bat Av 100 Wkts Bowl Av 5W Ave Diff Runs |Match Wickets |Match
GA Faulkner SA 1906-1924 25 1754 40.79 4 82 26.58 4 14.2 70.16 3.28

You show three person in 'Greatest of All Time Bowling AR' to accommodate ashwin.You didn't show third person of any other categories.

Why you didn't show three persons for other categories??? Who is the third person of 'Greatest of All Time Batting AR' category??

Nil Dhumrojal · Dec 2, 2016

What is the AR record of ashwin outside India and SC ????

jeetu · Dec 2, 2016

Nil Dhumrojal said:
You show three person in 'Greatest of All Time Bowling AR' to accommodate ashwin.You didn't show third person of any other categories.

Why you didn't show three persons for other categories??? Who is the third person of 'Greatest of All Time Batting AR' category??

There are no other person because there are no other players who fit the criteria.
Its statistical based category based on solely on average. There are many other factor which i didn't include like longevity etc for the sake of simplicity. Only other factor i considered was wickets per match.

Players with less than 1.5 wickets per match were put in Part Time list. That's why player like Kapil Dev is not ATG , but Great. Another exception was made regarding Richie Benaud. Ashwin batting average is just 0.02 less than 35. So he is there in category of players with 35 batting avg and less than 25 bowling average.

Some players like Strokes , Jadeja and Ashwin are still playing, so there is quite a good chance they may drop from current list. All it will take is few bad performance.

Please check Post#1 of base classification type.

jeetu · Dec 2, 2016

Nil Dhumrojal said:
What is the AR record of ashwin outside India and SC ????

I didn't consider performance record based on Home and Away. I may do that in future. Some players like Jadeja , Ashwin will be affected big time in that case. It will affect other players too because nearly all players have better home record than away.

jeetu · Dec 2, 2016

Away performance for AR
Criteria - (min 1000 runs , 50 wickets , batting avg >25 , bowling avg <40 , wickets/match >3)

Player	Span	Mat	Runs	Bat Av	100	Wkts	Bowl Av	5W	Ave Diff	Wkts \| Mat
JH Kallis (ICC/SA)	1997-2012	74	5919	53.8	20	126	34.24	3	19.56	1.70
AW Greig (ENG)	1972-1977	27	1971	46.92	5	82	28.09	6	18.83	3.04
GS Sobers (WI)	1956-1973	49	3957	50.73	12	128	33.96	5	16.76	2.61
TL Goddard (SA)	1955-1964	18	1142	36.83	0	60	25.06	4	11.77	3.33
SM Pollock (SA)	1997-2006	49	1859	36.45	1	186	25.68	7	10.76	3.80
KR Miller (AUS)	1946-1956	27	1357	33.92	4	85	25.48	4	8.44	3.15
Imran Khan (PAK)	1971-1990	50	2267	33.83	3	199	25.76	13	8.07	3.98
TE Bailey (ENG)	1950-1959	28	1169	28.51	1	70	23.25	2	5.25	2.50
Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ)	1973-1990	43	1623	25.35	1	230	21.72	21	3.63	5.35
IT Botham (ENG)	1978-1992	43	2231	31.87	6	157	29.63	10	2.24	3.65
CL Cairns (NZ)	1989-2004	31	1460	29.79	1	109	30.44	8	-0.65	3.52
A Flintoff (ENG/ICC)	1999-2009	39	1838	28.71	2	117	29.69	1	-0.97	3.00
W Rhodes (ENG)	1903-1930	34	1598	30.15	2	60	33.43	3	-3.28	1.76
M Prabhakar (INDIA)	1989-1993	23	1039	35.82	0	73	39.15	3	-3.32	3.17
DJ Bravo (WI)	2004-2010	25	1319	30.67	2	57	34.29	2	-3.62	2.28
DL Vettori (ICC/NZ)	1997-2012	55	2046	26.92	2	201	32.29	14	-5.37	3.65
N Kapil Dev (INDIA)	1978-1994	66	2438	26.21	3	215	32.85	12	-6.64	3.26
FE Woolley (ENG)	1910-1930	34	1625	31.25	3	52	39.44	1	-8.19	1.53

jeetu · Dec 3, 2016

Home performance for AR
Criteria - (min 1000 runs , 50 wickets , batting avg >25 , bowling avg <40 , wickets/match >3)

Player	Span	Mat	Runs	Bat Av	100	Wkts	Bowl Av	5W	Ave Diff	Wkts \| Mat
GS Sobers (WI)	1954-1974	44	4075	66.8	14	107	34.12	1	32.68	2.43
JH Kallis (SA)	1995-2013	88	7035	56.73	23	165	30.61	2	26.12	1.88
Imran Khan (PAK)	1976-1992	38	1540	45.29	3	163	19.2	10	26.08	4.29
KR Miller (AUS)	1946-1955	28	1601	40.02	3	85	20.47	3	19.55	3.04
R Ashwin (INDIA)	2011-2016	25	1018	39.15	2	168	21.36	17	17.78	6.72
BM McMillan (SA)	1992-1997	21	1246	46.14	3	51	28.84	0	17.3	2.43
MA Noble (AUS)	1898-1908	19	1057	35.23	1	78	20.76	7	14.46	4.11
N Kapil Dev (INDIA)	1978-1994	65	2810	36.97	5	219	26.49	11	10.47	3.37
CL Cairns (NZ)	1991-2004	31	1860	37.2	4	109	28.35	5	8.84	3.52
Shakib Al Hasan (BDESH)	2007-2016	32	2192	41.35	2	116	33.25	11	8.1	3.63
SM Pollock (SA)	1995-2008	59	1922	29.12	1	235	21.08	9	8.03	3.98
IT Botham (ENG)	1977-1992	59	2969	34.92	8	226	27.54	17	7.38	3.83
MH Mankad (INDIA)	1948-1959	23	1128	33.17	2	103	26.53	4	6.64	4.48
Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ)	1973-1990	43	1501	29.43	1	201	22.96	15	6.47	4.67
TL Goddard (SA)	1956-1970	23	1374	32.71	1	63	27.33	1	5.38	2.74
Wasim Akram (PAK)	1985-2001	41	1116	25.36	1	154	22.22	8	3.13	3.76
WPUJC Vaas (SL)	1994-2009	56	1533	26.89	1	180	26.32	5	0.56	3.21
MG Johnson (AUS)	2007-2015	34	1009	25.87	0	171	25.47	7	0.39	5.03
SCJ Broad (ENG)	2008-2016	57	1837	26.24	1	232	26.54	11	-0.3	4.07
A Flintoff (ENG)	1998-2009	40	2007	35.21	3	109	36.11	2	-0.89	2.73
RJ Shastri (INDIA)	1981-1990	38	1729	37.58	4	73	38.93	1	-1.34	1.92
AW Greig (ENG)	1972-1977	31	1628	34.63	3	59	37.91	0	-3.27	1.90
DL Vettori (NZ)	1997-2012	57	2470	33.37	4	159	37.11	6	-3.73	2.79
TE Bailey (ENG)	1949-1958	33	1121	31.13	0	62	35.93	3	-4.79	1.88

MMHS · Dec 3, 2016

Very insightful thread. I never looked at the figures this details. However, in general, I think we should look all-rounders in 4 category - batting, bowling, bit & pieces, genuine all-rounders. These lists are covering almost 150 years, therefore many great all-rounders from early days missed out for the Cap. And, I think OP has taken spinners out of the list, otherwise Sakib & Ashwin would have been in top bracket.

I wrote something on similar topic (but in PAK's ODI context), without numbers - probably, every player listed here can be clubbed in to that, even for Test as well.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...l-Rounder-Position-Who-would-be-a-perfect-fit

Post : 44

jeetu · Dec 3, 2016

MMHS said:
Very insightful thread. I never looked at the figures this details. However, in general, I think we should look all-rounders in 4 category - batting, bowling, bit & pieces, genuine all-rounders. These lists are covering almost 150 years, therefore many great all-rounders from early days missed out for the Cap. And, I think OP has taken spinners out of the list, otherwise Sakib & Ashwin would have been in top bracket.

I wrote something on similar topic (but in PAK's ODI context), without numbers - probably, every player listed here can be clubbed in to that, even for Test as well.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...l-Rounder-Position-Who-would-be-a-perfect-fit

Post : 44

Thanks , i liked your post in link.
Ashwin and Shakib are not excluding , they are only missing away stats. Cap is necessary otherwise list becomes too long. Also it excludes some modern cricketers who just didn't play enough. For example - Afridi had only 48 test wickets , so he was excluded.

khurram39 · Dec 3, 2016

Current Performer for Pakistan is only Hafeez.... Good work

Adijazz1706 · Dec 3, 2016

Needs a home/away factor.

sensible-indian-fan · Dec 3, 2016

Nil Dhumrojal said:
What is the AR record of ashwin outside India and SC ????

Home - 39 with bat...21 with ball
Away - 30 with bat....33 with ball
Outside Asia - 35 with bat....42 with ball

Country wise breakdown (outside Asia)

Aus - 27 with bat...54 with ball
WI - 58 with bat....23 with ball
Eng - 35 with bat...33 with ball
SA - 18 with bat....didn't take wicket with ball

Barring Aus (6 tests) and WI (4 tests).....Eng and SA are low sample sets where he batted or bowled 1-2 innings in total.

Nil Dhumrojal · Dec 3, 2016

jeetu said:
Away performance for AR
Criteria - (min 1000 runs , 50 wickets , batting avg >25 , bowling avg <40 , wickets/match >3)

Player Span Mat Runs Bat Av 100 Wkts Bowl Av 5W Ave Diff Wkts | Mat
JH Kallis (ICC/SA) 1997-2012 74 5919 53.8 20 126 34.24 3 19.56 1.70
AW Greig (ENG) 1972-1977 27 1971 46.92 5 82 28.09 6 18.83 3.04
GS Sobers (WI) 1956-1973 49 3957 50.73 12 128 33.96 5 16.76 2.61
TL Goddard (SA) 1955-1964 18 1142 36.83 0 60 25.06 4 11.77 3.33
SM Pollock (SA) 1997-2006 49 1859 36.45 1 186 25.68 7 10.76 3.80
KR Miller (AUS) 1946-1956 27 1357 33.92 4 85 25.48 4 8.44 3.15
Imran Khan (PAK) 1971-1990 50 2267 33.83 3 199 25.76 13 8.07 3.98
TE Bailey (ENG) 1950-1959 28 1169 28.51 1 70 23.25 2 5.25 2.50
Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ) 1973-1990 43 1623 25.35 1 230 21.72 21 3.63 5.35
IT Botham (ENG) 1978-1992 43 2231 31.87 6 157 29.63 10 2.24 3.65
CL Cairns (NZ) 1989-2004 31 1460 29.79 1 109 30.44 8 -0.65 3.52
A Flintoff (ENG/ICC) 1999-2009 39 1838 28.71 2 117 29.69 1 -0.97 3.00
W Rhodes (ENG) 1903-1930 34 1598 30.15 2 60 33.43 3 -3.28 1.76
M Prabhakar (INDIA) 1989-1993 23 1039 35.82 0 73 39.15 3 -3.32 3.17
DJ Bravo (WI) 2004-2010 25 1319 30.67 2 57 34.29 2 -3.62 2.28
DL Vettori (ICC/NZ) 1997-2012 55 2046 26.92 2 201 32.29 14 -5.37 3.65
N Kapil Dev (INDIA) 1978-1994 66 2438 26.21 3 215 32.85 12 -6.64 3.26
FE Woolley (ENG) 1910-1930 34 1625 31.25 3 52 39.44 1 -8.19 1.53

Thanks a lot for your great works after my request. Would you do a little work for me ???? Based on your last two lists and taking weightage of 1 for home and 3 for away series and averaging those 2 stats who will fit the new list ?? Would you do it for me pls????

I think after that we would get the real ATG AR list

Nil Dhumrojal · Dec 3, 2016

jeetu said:
Away performance for AR
Criteria - (min 1000 runs , 50 wickets , batting avg >25 , bowling avg <40 , wickets/match >3)

Player Span Mat Runs Bat Av 100 Wkts Bowl Av 5W Ave Diff Wkts | Mat
JH Kallis (ICC/SA) 1997-2012 74 5919 53.8 20 126 34.24 3 19.56 1.70
AW Greig (ENG) 1972-1977 27 1971 46.92 5 82 28.09 6 18.83 3.04
GS Sobers (WI) 1956-1973 49 3957 50.73 12 128 33.96 5 16.76 2.61
TL Goddard (SA) 1955-1964 18 1142 36.83 0 60 25.06 4 11.77 3.33
SM Pollock (SA) 1997-2006 49 1859 36.45 1 186 25.68 7 10.76 3.80
KR Miller (AUS) 1946-1956 27 1357 33.92 4 85 25.48 4 8.44 3.15
Imran Khan (PAK) 1971-1990 50 2267 33.83 3 199 25.76 13 8.07 3.98
TE Bailey (ENG) 1950-1959 28 1169 28.51 1 70 23.25 2 5.25 2.50
Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ) 1973-1990 43 1623 25.35 1 230 21.72 21 3.63 5.35
IT Botham (ENG) 1978-1992 43 2231 31.87 6 157 29.63 10 2.24 3.65
CL Cairns (NZ) 1989-2004 31 1460 29.79 1 109 30.44 8 -0.65 3.52
A Flintoff (ENG/ICC) 1999-2009 39 1838 28.71 2 117 29.69 1 -0.97 3.00
W Rhodes (ENG) 1903-1930 34 1598 30.15 2 60 33.43 3 -3.28 1.76
M Prabhakar (INDIA) 1989-1993 23 1039 35.82 0 73 39.15 3 -3.32 3.17
DJ Bravo (WI) 2004-2010 25 1319 30.67 2 57 34.29 2 -3.62 2.28
DL Vettori (ICC/NZ) 1997-2012 55 2046 26.92 2 201 32.29 14 -5.37 3.65
N Kapil Dev (INDIA) 1978-1994 66 2438 26.21 3 215 32.85 12 -6.64 3.26
FE Woolley (ENG) 1910-1930 34 1625 31.25 3 52 39.44 1 -8.19 1.53

Pretty right and correct list of all time great AR. Can't disagree with many of them in the list.

jeetu · Dec 3, 2016

Nil Dhumrojal said:
Thanks a lot for your great works after my request. Would you do a little work for me ???? Based on your last two lists and taking weightage of 1 for home and 3 for away series and averaging those 2 stats who will fit the new list ?? Would you do it for me pls???? I think after that we would get the real ATG AR list

Can you give me a example how it should be done. Just pick a top player like Imran , Sobers etc and calculate it for me. I'll try to do for the other player.

Nil Dhumrojal · Dec 3, 2016

jeetu said:
Can you give me a example how it should be done. Just pick a top player like Imran , Sobers etc and calculate it for me. I'll try to do for the other player.

{(Batting avg (away)*3)+(Batting avg(home)*1)}/4 would be I think.Others like bowling avg will be reverse weight.Make the list with ascending order pls.

Nil Dhumrojal · Dec 3, 2016

Addition to my previous post:

For bowling avg the weightage will be reverse.
{(Bowling avg (home)*3)+bowling avg (away)}/4

jeetu · Dec 4, 2016

Nil Dhumrojal said:
Addition to my previous post:

For bowling avg the weightage will be reverse.
{(Bowling avg (home)*3)+bowling avg (away)}/4

I think giving 75% weightage to away is bit too much.
Table based on your criteria

Player	Away Bat Av	Away Bowl Av	Home Bat Av	Home Bowl Av	Adjusted Bat	Adjusted Bowl	Avg Diff
JH Kallis (SA)	53.8	34.24	56.73	30.61	54.53	33.33	21.20
GS Sobers (WI)	50.73	33.96	66.8	34.12	54.75	34.00	20.75
AW Greig (ENG)	46.92	28.09	34.63	37.91	43.85	30.55	13.30
Imran Khan (PAK)	33.83	25.76	45.29	19.2	36.70	24.12	12.58
KR Miller (AUS)	33.92	25.48	40.02	20.47	35.45	24.23	11.22
TL Goddard (SA)	36.83	25.06	32.71	27.33	35.80	25.63	10.17
SM Pollock (SA)	36.45	25.68	29.12	21.08	34.62	24.53	10.09
Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ)	25.35	21.72	29.43	22.96	26.37	22.03	4.34
IT Botham (ENG)	31.87	29.63	34.92	27.54	32.63	29.11	3.53
TE Bailey (ENG)	28.51	23.25	31.13	35.93	29.17	26.42	2.75
CL Cairns (NZ)	29.79	30.44	37.2	28.35	31.64	29.92	1.73
A Flintoff (ENG)	28.71	29.69	35.21	36.11	30.34	31.30	-0.96
N Kapil Dev (INDIA)	26.21	32.85	36.97	26.49	28.90	31.26	-2.36
DL Vettori (NZ)	26.92	32.29	33.37	37.11	28.53	33.50	-4.96

jeetu · Dec 4, 2016

Giving 66% Weightage to Away and 33% to home , changes things slightly.

Player	Away Bat Av	Away Bowl Av	Home Bat Av	Home Bowl Av	Adjusted Bat	Adjusted Bowl	Avg Diff
GS Sobers (WI)	50.73	33.96	66.8	34.12	56.09	34.01	22.07
JH Kallis (SA)	53.8	34.24	56.73	30.61	54.78	33.03	21.75
Imran Khan (PAK)	33.83	25.76	45.29	19.2	37.65	23.57	14.08
KR Miller (AUS)	33.92	25.48	40.02	20.47	35.95	23.81	12.14
AW Greig (ENG)	46.92	28.09	34.63	37.91	42.82	31.36	11.46
SM Pollock (SA)	36.45	25.68	29.12	21.08	34.01	24.15	9.86
TL Goddard (SA)	36.83	25.06	32.71	27.33	35.46	25.82	9.64
Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ)	25.35	21.72	29.43	22.96	26.71	22.13	4.58
IT Botham (ENG)	31.87	29.63	34.92	27.54	32.89	28.93	3.95
CL Cairns (NZ)	29.79	30.44	37.2	28.35	32.26	29.74	2.52
TE Bailey (ENG)	28.51	23.25	31.13	35.93	29.38	27.48	1.91
N Kapil Dev (INDIA)	26.21	32.85	36.97	26.49	29.80	30.73	-0.93
A Flintoff (ENG)	28.71	29.69	35.21	36.11	30.88	31.83	-0.95
DL Vettori (NZ)	26.92	32.29	33.37	37.11	29.07	33.90	-4.83

Sidilicious · Dec 4, 2016

Great work [MENTION=53377]jeetu[/MENTION].

One of the issues with looking at the whole career of all rounders, is that an all rounder could be a great bowler in the first part of his career, and an ok batsman. In the second part, the all rounder could be a great batsman, but not a great bowler. By not bowling much, the AR could preserve his bowling Average. So, the AR might not be able to get into the team as either a batsman or a bowler at the same time.

I think this is a very difficult task, but I would love to see stats where a period of say 30-40 tests in an ARs career with the following criteria
1. Picks a min of 3 wickets per test
2. Scores a min of 60 runs per test

These goalposts could change, but 3 wickets per test and 60 runs per test over a long period should indicate that player would be selectable as either a bowler or a batsman at the same time. That truly would be a great cricketer.

I will try to see if I could use cricinfo to somehow obtain this data.

Nil Dhumrojal · Dec 4, 2016

jeetu said:
I think giving 75% weightage to away is bit too much.
Table based on your criteria

Player Away Bat Av Away Bowl Av Home Bat Av Home Bowl Av Adjusted Bat Adjusted Bowl Avg Diff
JH Kallis (SA) 53.8 34.24 56.73 30.61 54.53 33.33 21.20
GS Sobers (WI) 50.73 33.96 66.8 34.12 54.75 34.00 20.75
AW Greig (ENG) 46.92 28.09 34.63 37.91 43.85 30.55 13.30
Imran Khan (PAK) 33.83 25.76 45.29 19.2 36.70 24.12 12.58
KR Miller (AUS) 33.92 25.48 40.02 20.47 35.45 24.23 11.22
TL Goddard (SA) 36.83 25.06 32.71 27.33 35.80 25.63 10.17
SM Pollock (SA) 36.45 25.68 29.12 21.08 34.62 24.53 10.09
Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ) 25.35 21.72 29.43 22.96 26.37 22.03 4.34
IT Botham (ENG) 31.87 29.63 34.92 27.54 32.63 29.11 3.53
TE Bailey (ENG) 28.51 23.25 31.13 35.93 29.17 26.42 2.75
CL Cairns (NZ) 29.79 30.44 37.2 28.35 31.64 29.92 1.73
A Flintoff (ENG) 28.71 29.69 35.21 36.11 30.34 31.30 -0.96
N Kapil Dev (INDIA) 26.21 32.85 36.97 26.49 28.90 31.26 -2.36
DL Vettori (NZ) 26.92 32.29 33.37 37.11 28.53 33.50 -4.96

Thanks a lot bro for your real hard work only on my request .Really appreciate your works.
Now we find the real all time ATG AR list and the list will have two men extended to third.

True all time ATG are
1.Kallis
2.Sobers
Extended
3.Greig

jeetu · Dec 4, 2016

Sidilicious said:
Great work [MENTION=53377]jeetu[/MENTION].

One of the issues with looking at the whole career of all rounders, is that an all rounder could be a great bowler in the first part of his career, and an ok batsman. In the second part, the all rounder could be a great batsman, but not a great bowler. By not bowling much, the AR could preserve his bowling Average. So, the AR might not be able to get into the team as either a batsman or a bowler at the same time.

I think this is a very difficult task, but I would love to see stats where a period of say 30-40 tests in an ARs career with the following criteria
1. Picks a min of 3 wickets per test
2. Scores a min of 60 runs per test

These goalposts could change, but 3 wickets per test and 60 runs per test over a long period should indicate that player would be selectable as either a bowler or a batsman at the same time. That truly would be a great cricketer.

I will try to see if I could use cricinfo to somehow obtain this data.

I don't think cricinfo provides wicket /runs per test , it gives runs/wickets per inning

Sidilicious · Dec 4, 2016

jeetu said:
I don't think cricinfo provides wicket /runs per test , it gives runs/wickets per inning

yeah mate. Been trying to find it on cricinfo, but could not find a list of consecutive 40 tests for an AR.

The others must be downloading raw data, and running sql queries separately.

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