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Stats Thread : India vs Pakistan (Lower-Order Batting contribution)

jeetu

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Lately conversations related to lower order contribution was raised by many people. There is a growing perception that Pakistan's lower order has not contributing much lately with the bat while India's lower order is contributing a lot.

So i did some number crunching to see the real picture.

All time record for players ( batting position 8- 11) , min runs 500.

[table=width: 500, class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MS Dhoni (INDIA) [/td][td]2005-2014 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]628 [/td][td]69.77 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]N Kapil Dev (INDIA) [/td][td]1978-1993 [/td][td]61 [/td][td]1967 [/td][td]32.78 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]13 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Kamran Akmal (PAK) [/td][td]2002-2010 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]889 [/td][td]31.75 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]R Ashwin (INDIA) [/td][td]2011-2016 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]1196 [/td][td]31.47 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saleem Yousuf (PAK) [/td][td]1982-1990 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]538 [/td][td]29.88 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RA Jadeja (INDIA) [/td][td]2013-2016 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]508 [/td][td]28.22 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Imran Khan (PAK) [/td][td]1971-1988 [/td][td]29 [/td][td]839 [/td][td]27.96 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SMH Kirmani (INDIA) [/td][td]1976-1986 [/td][td]63 [/td][td]1598 [/td][td]27.55 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RG Nadkarni (INDIA) [/td][td]1959-1968 [/td][td]28 [/td][td]781 [/td][td]26.93 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KS More (INDIA) [/td][td]1986-1993 [/td][td]47 [/td][td]1180 [/td][td]26.81 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IK Pathan (INDIA) [/td][td]2003-2008 [/td][td]24 [/td][td]670 [/td][td]26.8 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Moin Khan (PAK) [/td][td]1990-2004 [/td][td]31 [/td][td]694 [/td][td]23.93 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]S Madan Lal (INDIA) [/td][td]1974-1986 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]669 [/td][td]22.3 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Wasim Akram (PAK) [/td][td]1985-2002 [/td][td]87 [/td][td]2160 [/td][td]22.26 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KD Ghavri (INDIA) [/td][td]1974-1981 [/td][td]38 [/td][td]900 [/td][td]21.95 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Intikhab Alam (PAK) [/td][td]1959-1977 [/td][td]31 [/td][td]791 [/td][td]21.37 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[/table]
This list has pretty even distribution.

However thing changed drastically in last few years.

Similar table as above but last 3 years data. (min runs 200)
[table=width: 500, class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]HS [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]J Yadav (INDIA) [/td][td]2016-2016 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]221 [/td][td]104 [/td][td]73.66 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RA Jadeja (INDIA) [/td][td]2014-2016 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]500 [/td][td]90 [/td][td]31.25 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]B Kumar (INDIA) [/td][td]2014-2016 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]334 [/td][td]63* [/td][td]23.85 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]R Ashwin (INDIA) [/td][td]2014-2016 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]408 [/td][td]58 [/td][td]22.66 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]A Mishra (INDIA) [/td][td]2015-2016 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]256 [/td][td]59 [/td][td]21.33 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammed Shami (INDIA) [/td][td]2014-2016 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]215 [/td][td]51* [/td][td]16.53 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Yasir Shah (PAK) [/td][td]2014-2016 [/td][td]20 [/td][td]226 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]10.76 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[/table]
The above list is filed Indian batsman.

Next table shows all teams records since Jan 2014

[table=width: 500, class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Team [/td][td]Players [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Inns [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]SR [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Australia [/td][td]27 [/td][td]65 [/td][td]355 [/td][td]4766 [/td][td]18.61 [/td][td]51.81 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]South Africa [/td][td]26 [/td][td]48 [/td][td]237 [/td][td]3201 [/td][td]18.29 [/td][td]48.76 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]England [/td][td]27 [/td][td]75 [/td][td]427 [/td][td]5820 [/td][td]18.13 [/td][td]53.69 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]New Zealand [/td][td]21 [/td][td]55 [/td][td]330 [/td][td]4404 [/td][td]17.75 [/td][td]60.21 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]India [/td][td]26 [/td][td]59 [/td][td]335 [/td][td]4524 [/td][td]17.74 [/td][td]53.88 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]West Indies [/td][td]26 [/td][td]52 [/td][td]324 [/td][td]4096 [/td][td]16.18 [/td][td]53.45 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Bangladesh [/td][td]25 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]169 [/td][td]1874 [/td][td]14.75 [/td][td]52.49 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sri Lanka [/td][td]25 [/td][td]55 [/td][td]349 [/td][td]3413 [/td][td]12.87 [/td][td]49.29 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Zimbabwe [/td][td]23 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]138 [/td][td]1350 [/td][td]12.27 [/td][td]39.55 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Pakistan [/td][td]22 [/td][td]50 [/td][td]272 [/td][td]2479 [/td][td]12.09 [/td][td]46.6 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

Pakistan tail contribtion is even less Zimbabwe. It's a big shock.

Here is player performnce for Pakistan in same time frame. (min 100 runs)
[table=width: 500, class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]SR [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Adnan Akmal [/td][td]2011-2012 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]125 [/td][td]62.5 [/td][td]40.84 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sarfraz Ahmed [/td][td]2014-2016 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]183 [/td][td]45.75 [/td][td]79.22 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Bilawal Bhatti [/td][td]2013-2014 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]70 [/td][td]35 [/td][td]45.75 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Tanvir Ahmed [/td][td]2011-2013 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]140 [/td][td]35 [/td][td]61.94 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Nawaz (3) [/td][td]2016-2016 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]35.21 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sohail Khan [/td][td]2011-2016 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]177 [/td][td]19.66 [/td][td]71.95 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Zulfiqar Babar [/td][td]2013-2016 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]144 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]69.56 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Amir [/td][td]2016-2016 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]150 [/td][td]12.5 [/td][td]54.34 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Abdur Rehman [/td][td]2011-2014 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]264 [/td][td]11.47 [/td][td]39.75 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saeed Ajmal [/td][td]2011-2014 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]317 [/td][td]11.32 [/td][td]39.82 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Yasir Shah [/td][td]2014-2016 [/td][td]20 [/td][td]226 [/td][td]10.76 [/td][td]47.18 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Rahat Ali [/td][td]2013-2016 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]127 [/td][td]9.07 [/td][td]38.48 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Sami [/td][td]2012-2012 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]52.94 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Talha [/td][td]2014-2014 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]8.5 [/td][td]47.22 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Wahab Riaz [/td][td]2011-2016 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]187 [/td][td]8.13 [/td][td]41.37 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Junaid Khan [/td][td]2011-2015 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]122 [/td][td]7.17 [/td][td]39.86 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Umar Gul [/td][td]2011-2013 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]123 [/td][td]6.83 [/td][td]39.04 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Irfan [/td][td]2013-2013 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]28 [/td][td]5.6 [/td][td]32.18 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Ehsan Adil [/td][td]2013-2015 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]5.25 [/td][td]51.21 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Imran Khan [/td][td]2014-2016 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]1.5 [/td][td]28.57 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Aizaz Cheema [/td][td]2011-2012 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]- [/td][td]4.34 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Asad Shafiq [/td][td]2012-2012 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]- [/td][td]- [/td][td]- [/td][td]- [/td][/tr]
[/table]
 
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Abysmal stats for Pakistan's tail. Worse than Zimbabwe since 2011, some achievement. Wahab, Rahat, Imran and previously Gul, Junaid and Irfan have all been like certified #11s. Even Yasir who has a bit of ability tends to get dismissed too cheaply way too often.
 
Pakistan's entire batting side would have abysmal stats if you want to make a comparison.

Moaning over the bowlers inability to stick around or actually contribution won't cut nobody no slack.
 
To add to OP (stats from Jan 2011):

[table=width: 500, class: grid, align: center][tr][td]Team[/td][td]#1-7 bat avg.[/td][td]#8-11 bat avg.[/td][td]Difference[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Pakistan[/td][td]42.09[/td][td]12.09[/td][td]30[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sri Lanka[/td][td]37.48[/td][td]12.87[/td][td]24.61[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Australia[/td][td]40.77[/td][td]18.61[/td][td]22.16[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]South Africa[/td][td]40.23[/td][td]18.29[/td][td]21.94[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Bangladesh[/td][td]36.45[/td][td]14.75[/td][td]21.7[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]India[/td][td]38.54[/td][td]17.74[/td][td]20.8[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]England [/td][td]38.76[/td][td]18.13[/td][td]20.63[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]New Zealand[/td][td]35.86[/td][td]17.75[/td][td]18.11[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Zimbabwe[/td][td]28.73[/td][td]12.27[/td][td]16.46[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]West Indies[/td][td]32.27[/td][td]16.18[/td][td]16.09[/td][/tr][/table]
 
I do not understand why Pakistan Tail is so poor , and nothing has been done so far.
 
These days once Pakistan are 6 down then start getting ready for the innings to end.

From time to time Sarfraz will knock a few runs with the tail and Sohail Khan hit a few runs in NZ, but most of the time it's shambolic batting.

Most of the recent tailenders can barely hold a bat.
 
On paper it is actually strong. Wahab, Aamir, Sohail, and Yasir can all bat. The problem is that in reality, they don't.
 
Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain, Shoaib Akhtar even Mushy could hang around and make some vital runs.

Unlike the current crop of rabbits we have.
 
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