Stop overrating Under-19 World Cup performances

[minamino]

Congratulations to Bangladesh that they have finally won an ICC multi team tournament after getting an ample amount of support from ICC and fellow Asian teams but don't forget it's just U19 WC. WI won U19 WC in 2016 and look at them now. Losing to Afghanistan regularly in senior cricket. Same with South Africa in 2014. Apart from Rabada and Markram, None of the players from that team even went on to play SA domestic and moved to countries like NZ and England.

 

[Rana]

Overreacting now?

We have had to listen to 2 years of a poster trying to argue Shubman Gill is better than all Asian batsmen already

 

[Ronaldo7]

Why did you have make this thread THE day when BD won?

You could have waited a few days.

If someone had made this thread just after Pakistan had won the U19 WC, i’d be pretty angry.

Poor from you.

 

[moghul]

We should be generous to BD player, they deserve all the praise and appreciation. Winning under 19 WC, that too in SA and beating easily the most balanced and the strongest team in the final.

I would say stop underrating under 19 WC championship, BD cricket with this win can expect a rosier future . At junior level, they are better than Pakistan, at this point.

 

[minamino]

Why did you have make this thread THE day when BD won?

You could have waited a few days.

If someone had made this thread just after Pakistan had won the U19 WC, i’d be pretty angry.

Poor from you.

Because seeing the reaction from some Bangladesh fans, you would think as if they have won the WC.

 

[minamino]

We should be generous to BD player, they deserve all the praise and appreciation. Winning under 19 WC, that too in SA and beating easily the most balanced and the strongest team in the final.

I would say stop underrating under 19 WC championship, BD cricket with this win can expect a rosier future . At junior level, they are better than Pakistan, at this point.

Pakistan got them 104/9 in the group game and also a U19 bowler took a hat trick against their senior team earlier today.

 

[moghul]

I agree, this an odd and mean thread. DB under 19 team deserves congratulations, praise and appreciation, not this .

 

[sweep_shot]

Because seeing the reaction from some Bangladesh fans, you would think as if they have won the WC.

Well, it is a world cup. Under-19 world cup.

We are just happy that junior guys did well. Not sure if there is anything wrong with it.

 

[Bewal Express]

If BD find 3 players from this team that go onto to be good players then winning WC will be worth it. The other benefit for a team like BD is that it will bring belief amongst these youngsters that the big boys can be beaten. I can't remember if it was the T20 WC but BD didn't believe they could beat the Inds, when it was harder to lose than to win.

 

[Arya]

Because seeing the reaction from some Bangladesh fans, you would think as if they have won the WC.

They have.

 

[ChennaiFan]

Bangladesh U19 team had won a world cup and it is commendable. They are kids; Love them and not hate them.

 

[moghul]

Bangladesh U19 team had won a world cup and it is commendable. They are kids; Love them and not hate them.

Everyone is loving them , only one guy has some personal issue with them and ended up opening a thread to express that, that too the day BD won the under 19 WC.

 

[ChennaiFan]

Everyone is loving them , only one guy has some personal issue with them and ended up opening a thread to express that, that too the day BD won the under 19 WC.

The title of the thread is absurd especially today, and I didn't want to post in this thread. But did it to remind the OP to be appreciative of the kids' performance.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Because seeing the reaction from some Bangladesh fans, you would think as if they have won the WC.

It is technically a WC though.

Anyways, there was no rush to make this thread. Too soon.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Some fans just can't see Bangladesh celebrating their win. Stop crying and let them enjoy their moment. And somebody please remind OP about Shaheen Bagh oh sorry Shaheen Afridi who was picked on the basis of his under 19 World Cup performances.

 

[Saj]

History shows that of the 22 players who played today not many will make it to the highest level, some will be steady in domestic, whilst many will be lost in the system.

 

[Mainul]

This celebration isn't overreacting r overrating ! We have won a world cup, yes it is under -19 world cup, as the name implies it is a world cup. We just beat the strongest team in the tournament. Every tesms represented their national team. What is the fault here yaar? Let us celebrate then after a few days do calculation what will be the future!

 

[minamino]

Some fans just can't see Bangladesh celebrating their win. Stop crying and let them enjoy their moment. And somebody please remind OP about Shaheen Bagh oh sorry Shaheen Afridi who was picked on the basis of his under 19 World Cup performances.

Wrong. Shaheen Shah Afridi was picked on the basis of his performance in PSL otherwise he would still have been in Pakistan domestic and he was the golden egg of PCB just like Azam who they had taken under wings since he was very young.

 

[IAJ]

Because seeing the reaction from some Bangladesh fans, you would think as if they have won the WC.

Well they actually won the WC...

 

[ManFan]

Out of every champion U-19 side, there is roughly one who becomes a good-to-great player.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

An untimely thread.

This is the time to rejoice with Bangladesh. No one can predict the future but now is not the time to play down the present.

 

[khan_aa]

Congrats to Bdesh!!

 

[MMHS]

History shows that of the 22 players who played today not many will make it to the highest level, some will be steady in domestic, whilst many will be lost in the system.

Not for BD - all 15 will play FC cricket, BPL and most of them will play for BD.

The reason is simply demand supply - half of the U19 players can’t make it to FC level for established cricket countries simply because there are already settled squads; you simply can’t drop a 26 years old seasoned performer to accommodate a 19 years old kid just because the kid has played an U19 WC.

Take India - Unmukt Chand & Ashok Maneria led their U19 team (Mandeep Singh as well); long back in 1990s there were Jatin Paranjappe, Amol Majumdar, Amit Pagnis .... Chand, Zol & Maneria are still active in cricket, but even in their late 20s, couldn’t fix their FC spot - by the time the senior batch are phased out, next batch of U19 boys are there. AUS won 1988 edition, and only few of them played FC cricket, and Holdsworth played one ODI - the reason isn’t those boys were not good enough, rather those days when they were ready for FC debut (say 1990 season), six Shield teams were stringers than many Test teams, and NSW could have competed with Lloyd’s WIN ball by ball. It was the same case for PAK as well in past because of the talent pool already settled.

For BD boys, most of them are already better than the average FC cricketers there, few probably better than national players. Previously, between 2002 to 2006, we had three very good U19 teams - half of them went to BD colours directly from U19 cricket - Ashraful, Omer Belim, Mash, Shakib, Tammim, Mushi, Mahmudullah, Enamul, Rubel... this batch won’t be that lucky, but each of them will make the highest domestic level and many will eventually represent BD.

 

[warcry]

let them celebrate. they have never won anything before. give them their day in the sun.

after that, remember that u19 cricket tells you nothing. cricket history is filled with late bloomers and u19 stars that never reach the level of international cricket.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Not for BD - all 15 will play FC cricket, BPL and most of them will play for BD.

The reason is simply demand supply - half of the U19 players can’t make it to FC level for established cricket countries simply because there are already settled squads; you simply can’t drop a 26 years old seasoned performer to accommodate a 19 years old kid just because the kid has played an U19 WC.

Take India - Unmukt Chand & Ashok Maneria led their U19 team (Mandeep Singh as well); long back in 1990s there were Jatin Paranjappe, Amol Majumdar, Amit Pagnis .... Chand, Zol & Maneria are still active in cricket, but even in their late 20s, couldn’t fix their FC spot - by the time the senior batch are phased out, next batch of U19 boys are there. AUS won 1988 edition, and only few of them played FC cricket, and Holdsworth played one ODI - the reason isn’t those boys were not good enough, rather those days when they were ready for FC debut (say 1990 season), six Shield teams were stringers than many Test teams, and NSW could have competed with Lloyd’s WIN ball by ball. It was the same case for PAK as well in past because of the talent pool already settled.

For BD boys, most of them are already better than the average FC cricketers there, few probably better than national players. Previously, between 2002 to 2006, we had three very good U19 teams - half of them went to BD colours directly from U19 cricket - Ashraful, Omer Belim, Mash, Shakib, Tammim, Mushi, Mahmudullah, Enamul, Rubel... this batch won’t be that lucky, but each of them will make the highest domestic level and many will eventually represent BD.

Good post, and it's a good acheivment. But that batch of players you mentioned isn't exactly the best. Shakib is world class, Mushfiq is very good, but the rest are just good to mediocre.

We don't know how this batch of players will turn out, but let's see. Also, you never know if they will be able to get in to domestic cricket right away. I don't know how Bangladeshi FC is, but if it's anything like Pakistan, the coaches will prefer more senior and experinced players in any sort of decent form as they will be more reliable than a talented, but potentially raw/inconsistent U19 player, even if he is generally better than the senior.

 

[Khan12]

This thread wouldn't have been created had India won it.

 

[Realromeo]

What a cry baby thread. Pathetic.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Any other country i probably won't think it is a big deal. But BD winning a world cup is historical. They have bragging rights till the next world cup. They have been preparing very hard for the last 2 years under Khalid Masud. Deserves this win. They have to take it to the next level.

 

[troodon]

Overreacting now?

We have had to listen to 2 years of a poster trying to argue Shubman Gill is better than all Asian batsmen already

Gill had stellar batting performances since his U19 exploits.

It’s tough for any youngster to break into the batting unit of India.


I expect Gill to be in the ODI side this year. It’s only a matter of time before Gill takes the place of Kedar Jadhav,

 

[shehwar]

Everyone can see that the Minamino has massive hatred issues towards Bangladesh. On behalf of people of Bangladesh, I apologise if someone has been mean to you. We are mostly nice people you know.

 

[Monsee]

OP couldn't even wait for a day to let the BD fans/team celebrate their first big win on Int'l scene, albeit on U19 level, that is really poor from him!

Congrats to BD fans/team, especially for downing India (considering the attitudes some of their players/fans were exhibiting)...may you celebrate it for the whole week before even letting the celebrations end

 

[sindhiboy]

for bangladesh, this does not apply at all. all 3 u 19 seamers who bowled today are levels above any of the bangladesh senior team seamers. infact, they could potentially be the best fast bowlers bangladesh have ever produced.

akbar ali showed more composure than many senior bang team batters as well.
atleast half of the u 19 will soon replace the senior team in a few years. this is due to how poor the senior team is.

this win is massive for bangladesh, it is really demeaning to deem this victory as overrated

however u can argue that indian u 19 has been massively overrated as every single indian u19 batsman who scored a 50 was hyped to be the amalgamation of tendulkar, dravid, lara and richards. only pant has so far been successful out of all the recent larger than life u19 batters.

 

[Realromeo]

Watch the first 1:41 mins of Piyush Chawla who had a similar performance like Ravi Bishnoi today.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Overreacting now?

We have had to listen to 2 years of a poster trying to argue Shubman Gill is better than all Asian batsmen already

are you serious? gill is an extraordinary talent. He just scored 200 vs new zeland A.
hi A record in first class is even better than kohli's. kid is special.

 

[Monsee]

Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
Overreacting now?

We have had to listen to 2 years of a poster trying to argue Shubman Gill is better than all Asian batsmen already

are you serious? gill is an extraordinary talent. He just scored 200 vs new zeland A.
hi A record in first class is even better than kohli's. kid is special.

Did you even read what he said and are you arguing that Gill is i.e. Shubman Gill is better than all Asian batsmen already?

Don't care what he averages on roads of Indian so-called pitches, he is not better than most Int'l Asian batsmen since he has not played at that level yet. Making such claims is immature at best!

 

[minamino]

Did you even read what he said and are you arguing that Gill is i.e. Shubman Gill is better than all Asian batsmen already?

Don't care what he averages on roads of Indian so-called pitches, he is not better than most Int'l Asian batsmen since he has not played at that level yet. Making such claims is immature at best!

Gill has an average of 71 in FC. Even though he has played just 20 matches but keeping an average of 70 after 40 innings is something special.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Did you even read what he said and are you arguing that Gill is i.e. Shubman Gill is better than all Asian batsmen already?

Don't care what he averages on roads of Indian so-called pitches, he is not better than most Int'l Asian batsmen since he has not played at that level yet. Making such claims is immature at best!

he isn't better already. He has the potential to be. on roads? haha. He scored 200 vs new zeland A in New zeland. In 'swinging' conditions. He outplayed his international teammates like aggarwal and Shaw. Yet he isn't in the team due to some politics. kid is a phenom.

 

[Rana]

he isn't better already. He has the potential to be. on roads? haha. He scored 200 vs new zeland A in New zeland. In 'swinging' conditions. He outplayed his international teammates like aggarwal and Shaw. Yet he isn't in the team due to some politics. kid is a phenom.

My brother. I don’t deny this. Gill is the next big thing. There are things I write on this forum that probably I or a few others know what I am alluding to.

So I remember when Shubman Gill manhandled our u19s a couple of years ago, this was when a particular poster was at his peak in assassinating every aspect of Pakistan’s glory, history and achievements on this forum. For a long time I ignored because I don’t completely disagree with all of his points, but when it got to the point where it became disrespectful and incentive, as it was an agenda of sustained torture inflicted by this poster for anyone who wanted to be positive in a difficult time for our cricket team. This is when he produced another highly degrading comment of saying Shubman Gill is already better than all of Asia’s batsmen (besides the current Indian greats). This is the point where I snapped and I just could not fathom how a man could stoop so low in belittling Established batsmen of Asia in comparison to a man who has not yet made his international debut, but is killing under 19s and doing well in domestics.

 

[Danyaalr01]

Because seeing the reaction from some Bangladesh fans, you would think as if they have won the WC.

It's pretty big for them seeing good talent coming through finally.

 

[Monsee]

Gill has an average of 71 in FC. Even though he has played just 20 matches but keeping an average of 70 after 40 innings is something special.

Graem Hick says Hi!

 

[Monsee]

he isn't better already. He has the potential to be. on roads? haha. He scored 200 vs new zeland A in New zeland. In 'swinging' conditions. He outplayed his international teammates like aggarwal and Shaw. Yet he isn't in the team due to some politics. kid is a phenom.

Don't care, history is littered with domestic giants who never realised their true potential at the big stage. Then we have someon like Babar e.g. who has only 2 and averages I think in 30's, yes 2 centuries at domestic level (I think) and is reeling off centuries at Int'l level like there is no tomorrow!

Gill could be the next Bradman fore all we care, he is not better than even Tamim until he averages more than him...at the Int'l scene!

 

[tyron_woodley]

Don't care, history is littered with domestic giants who never realised their true potential at the big stage. Then we have someon like Babar e.g. who has only 2 and averages I think in 30's, yes 2 centuries at domestic level (I think) and is reeling off centuries at Int'l level like there is no tomorrow!

Gill could be the next Bradman fore all we care, he is not better than even Tamim until he averages more than him...at the Int'l scene!

babar ? players can improve you know? I am not surprised at all that babar performed in international stages. labuschagne was pretty average in shield cricket. Look at him now? he is demolishing teams in test cricket.

Gill clearly has more potential than all the aforementioned batsmen. No reason why he can't reach his potential. He just hasn't got his chances.

domestic giants? haha. He outperformed Mayank aggarwal ( who is a top opener at the moment In test cricket) and pujara for india A. So clearly he has what it takes. He just hasn't been given opportunities.

He is a generational talent and soon people will see for themselves.

 

[tyron_woodley]

My brother. I don’t deny this. Gill is the next big thing. There are things I write on this forum that probably I or a few others know what I am alluding to.

So I remember when Shubman Gill manhandled our u19s a couple of years ago, this was when a particular poster was at his peak in assassinating every aspect of Pakistan’s glory, history and achievements on this forum. For a long time I ignored because I don’t completely disagree with all of his points, but when it got to the point where it became disrespectful and incentive, as it was an agenda of sustained torture inflicted by this poster for anyone who wanted to be positive in a difficult time for our cricket team. This is when he produced another highly degrading comment of saying Shubman Gill is already better than all of Asia’s batsmen (besides the current Indian greats). This is the point where I snapped and I just could not fathom how a man could stoop so low in belittling Established batsmen of Asia in comparison to a man who has not yet made his international debut, but is killing under 19s and doing well in domestics.

I agree bro. [MENTION=84735]monster[/MENTION] as well. Relax brother. I am saying he has potential. I never said he is better than babar or hell tamim iqbal lol yet.

You would expect him to be a star given his domestic exploits and for the A team.

I would not belittle his achievements because it may not age well. Just saying.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Don't care, history is littered with domestic giants who never realised their true potential at the big stage. Then we have someon like Babar e.g. who has only 2 and averages I think in 30's, yes 2 centuries at domestic level (I think) and is reeling off centuries at Int'l level like there is no tomorrow!

Gill could be the next Bradman fore all we care, he is not better than even Tamim until he averages more than him...at the Int'l scene!

You cannot judge player by theories. You have to see how they bat, what their strength and judge. DOmestic giants fail because they have technical issues. So you have to assess players on a technical level. Tendulkar made centuries in first 2 matches of domestic. Look where he is. Laxman is another great domestic performer. Dravid kept putting up numbers in domestic. They were good because they were technically very good. This is why even Virat Kohli says Gill looked way better than himself at his age. At this point only thing that can stop is himself. He almost made it to national side. Out of nowhere Rahane put himself back in contention by reaching world no.5 ranking in a matter of 3 series. So his entry is delayed. Not every player is hyped in India. Badrinath finished his career with 54 average and 10000 runs. Sriram finished his career with close to 10000 runs at 52 average. Nobody was projecting them as next Dravid or Tendulkar.

 

[Monsee]

You cannot judge player by theories. You have to see how they bat, what their strength and judge. DOmestic giants fail because they have technical issues. So you have to assess players on a technical level. Tendulkar made centuries in first 2 matches of domestic. Look where he is. Laxman is another great domestic performer. Dravid kept putting up numbers in domestic. They were good because they were technically very good. This is why even Virat Kohli says Gill looked way better than himself at his age. At this point only thing that can stop is himself. He almost made it to national side. Out of nowhere Rahane put himself back in contention by reaching world no.5 ranking in a matter of 3 series. So his entry is delayed. Not every player is hyped in India. Badrinath finished his career with 54 average and 10000 runs. Sriram finished his career with close to 10000 runs at 52 average. Nobody was projecting them as next Dravid or Tendulkar.

No matter what anyone says, he is currently done zilch on Int'l level to warranty the claims he is already better than such and such...until he plays regularly and has x-amount of runs to his name, there is no guarantee on anything!

What is amazing is that when it is a Pakistani player or any xyz team's player, Indian fans always say oh until he has produced xyz amounts of runs/wickets and played this many matches, they cannot be claimed as great/good player. Why is the theory completely opposite for a newbie Indian is anything but hypricy IMO!

 

[jnaveen1980]

No matter what anyone says, he is currently done zilch on Int'l level to warranty the claims he is already better than such and such...until he plays regularly and has x-amount of runs to his name, there is no guarantee on anything!

What is amazing is that when it is a Pakistani player or any xyz team's player, Indian fans always say oh until he has produced xyz amounts of runs/wickets and played this many matches, they cannot be claimed as great/good player. Why is the theory completely opposite for a newbie Indian is anything but hypricy IMO!

I am not sure who is claiming that. But I know expectation doesn't always meet reality. But most of the projections are based on potential. Sometimes players who we don't rate much do things that are beyond our expectations. For instance, I never rated Pant for his slam-bang approach. I thought he would be an epic failure in Tests. Surprisingly he was supremely confident against Australian pace trio. I expected him to explode in T20. But he completely failed in that format. After seeing Ganguly in 1992, everybody expected him to fail in 1996 tour of England. But he laced with spectacular off side boundaries with a century on debut. He was so good Geoff Boycott became an instant fan of Ganguly in one test. Anyone who has seen him in domestic, A tour, under 19 matches or even nets have rated him cut above everyone else. He has the highest average in under-19 history with 104.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

History shows that of the 22 players who played today not many will make it to the highest level, some will be steady in domestic, whilst many will be lost in the system.

Kohli, Jadeja, Rohit all came from Under 19 set up. Need a history lesson boss

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

This celebration isn't overreacting r overrating ! We have won a world cup, yes it is under -19 world cup, as the name implies it is a world cup. We just beat the strongest team in the tournament. Every tesms represented their national team. What is the fault here yaar? Let us celebrate then after a few days do calculation what will be the future!

First up, congratulations. And then let me tell you - YOU are the strongest team in the tournament, not some random team. That is why YOU won the world cup. Don't be so humble about it because if the other team won, you'd have never seen the end of it. Be proud of it.

 

[tyron_woodley]

First up, congratulations. And then let me tell you - YOU are the strongest team in the tournament, not some random team. That is why YOU won the world cup. Don't be so humble about it because if the other team won, you'd have never seen the end of it. Be proud of it.

You are also not stronger than Bangladesh and definitely not india. congrats to Bangladesh for being the best team.

 

[sindhiboy]

Gill has an average of 71 in FC. Even though he has played just 20 matches but keeping an average of 70 after 40 innings is something special.

Garg also has a fc avg of 66. And how much did he score in this u19 world cup?

With that avg, he must be similar to gill. Stats are not every thing

 

[Abhilash93]

Kohli, Jadeja, Rohit all came from Under 19 set up. Need a history lesson boss

From the current Indian team - Dhawan, Rohit, Kohli, KL Rahul, Iyer, Jadeja, Pant, Washington, Pujara, Manish Pandey, Kuldeep, Vihari and Mayank have been part of U19 World cups. So, over 15 players from 6 U19 teams (2006-16) made it to the national team, which is not more than 3 players per batch.

 

[Slog]

Not for BD - all 15 will play FC cricket, BPL and most of them will play for BD.

The reason is simply demand supply - half of the U19 players can’t make it to FC level for established cricket countries simply because there are already settled squads; you simply can’t drop a 26 years old seasoned performer to accommodate a 19 years old kid just because the kid has played an U19 WC.

Take India - Unmukt Chand & Ashok Maneria led their U19 team (Mandeep Singh as well); long back in 1990s there were Jatin Paranjappe, Amol Majumdar, Amit Pagnis .... Chand, Zol & Maneria are still active in cricket, but even in their late 20s, couldn’t fix their FC spot - by the time the senior batch are phased out, next batch of U19 boys are there. AUS won 1988 edition, and only few of them played FC cricket, and Holdsworth played one ODI - the reason isn’t those boys were not good enough, rather those days when they were ready for FC debut (say 1990 season), six Shield teams were stringers than many Test teams, and NSW could have competed with Lloyd’s WIN ball by ball. It was the same case for PAK as well in past because of the talent pool already settled.

For BD boys, most of them are already better than the average FC cricketers there, few probably better than national players. Previously, between 2002 to 2006, we had three very good U19 teams - half of them went to BD colours directly from U19 cricket - Ashraful, Omer Belim, Mash, Shakib, Tammim, Mushi, Mahmudullah, Enamul, Rubel... this batch won’t be that lucky, but each of them will make the highest domestic level and many will eventually represent BD.

So the U19 Bangladesh kids already have head start on the rest of the U19 kids they faced throughout the tournament?

 

[JaDed]

So the U19 Bangladesh kids already have head start on the rest of the U19 kids they faced throughout the tournament?

Don’t you think so, I think India and Aus will always be behind coz of somewhat settled Senior sides.

 

[Ronaldo7]

[MENTION=151731]minamino[/MENTION]

Ok i kinda get the point of your thread.

I’m seeing a lot of Bangladeshis celebrating by undermining Pakistan and India as if they’ve won the Men’s WC.

But to their defence, their senior team players are minnows. This is their first international trophy in 30 overs.
So they’re treating as if they’ve won the actual (men’s) world cup.

I kid you not, i didn’t even know that the West Indies had won the U19 WC until Bishop told us when WI won the T20 WC, that’s how muted their celebrations were.

 

[Ronaldo7]

[MENTION=151731]minamino[/MENTION]

Let me just add a quick point.

How many U19 world cups have NZ won?
They’ve only reached the final ONCE and that was in 1998 and lost.

Has that made any difference?

They’ve made it to consecutive finals (2015 and 2019) and just recently beat Pakistan in the UAE after many decades and just a few days ago have beaten India too.

 

[Hasan123]

Only 2 or 3 players will make it to the international scene. But it's good for Bangladesh to win. They haven't won anything at international level. So they need exposure of winning from a young age for the next generation.

 

[Mainul]

First up, congratulations. And then let me tell you - YOU are the strongest team in the tournament, not some random team. That is why YOU won the world cup. Don't be so humble about it because if the other team won, you'd have never seen the end of it. Be proud of it.

Thanks for your nice comment. I am not so humble in nature, but don't know why yesterday's win just made my day and I am now ready to face anything comes my way with humbleness .

 

[minamino]

[MENTION=151731]minamino[/MENTION]

Let me just add a quick point.

How many U19 world cups have NZ won?
They’ve only reached the final ONCE and that was in 1998 and lost.

Has that made any difference?

They’ve made it to consecutive finals (2015 and 2019) and just recently beat Pakistan in the UAE after many decades and just a few days ago have beaten India too.

As I have said NZ and SL have been really unlucky in last few U19 WCs. They always get put into groups with at least 3 top 10 nations. Bangladesh get very easy grouping in these WCs

 

[MMHS]

So the U19 Bangladesh kids already have head start on the rest of the U19 kids they faced throughout the tournament?

I don’t think so. Most of the English kids have FC/List A exposure, in India, SAF, PAK team as well there are several players with some FC/List A experience; even the Aussie opener (top kid, he’ll play for Australia) has few Shield games while the AFG team has probably couple of Test player.

My point was completely different- half of these U19 WC boys won’t find a FC team because of established squads there and by the time spots are open, next batch(S) adds to the competition. Therefore, some of the players despite being top talents won’t end as pro cricketers. For example Arman Jafar - kid is extremely unlucky to be born in Mumbai, hence still waiting at the wings of FC Ranji teams; in 2016 U19 WC, he showed enough potential to be an international by now.

For BD boys, the context is a bit different- first, they have won a global event for the first time - these 15/16 players will always be special. But, the main reason is, these boys are actually very good with proper cricket techniques, even without wining jr WC, each of them would have made it to FC level for sure. Second issue is, for an Indian U19 top talent, still it’s difficult to break the barrier because already there are established FC players with equal skills, but for our boys, they are categorically better than average FC players there - add to that the WC winners’ status - I expect each of them playing FC cricket regularly from next season, and they will be given key spots/roles in playing XI as well.

My point to @Saj’s post was that, these BD kids won’t be lost like half of the U19 kids in established cricket countries - they will get their chances, but how far they’ll go in international career depends on their individual hunger, the domestic system and pure luck to some extent.

 

[MMHS]

As I have said NZ and SL have been really unlucky in last few U19 WCs. They always get put into groups with at least 3 top 10 nations. Bangladesh get very easy grouping in these WCs

A bit silly post - I am not sure if you are trolling here or genuinely trying to fool around.

Any global event, groups are made through a mathematical model, based on the ranking and previous WCs position. If any team (not only SRL/NZ) is put into tougher group means their previous position was lower.

For this WC, they put the four groups with last four SFinalists as Group leaders. And, had every group favourites won their groups, SF line-up would have been IND-AFG, AUS-PAK, with last two finalists in two half’s of the Final.

Then, next four are distributed in four groups, and so on. If there is 16 teams, the total ranking position would have been 136 - ideally, sum of each group should be 34. And, they actually did that - top seed India (1) with bottom seed Japan (16), 8th seed NZ (8) & 9th seed (last years plate champs) SRL (9) in one group - that’s 34. I am sure, other groups will be the same as well. Next WC, invariably the teams will be unlucky in the group England is placed, because they ended as 9th this year means they won’t get a QF seeded spot. And, next time BD will again get an easier group, probably by now you know why.

Hope it helps - no conspiracy here; people running ICC do these through customised software.

 

[MMHS]

Only 2 or 3 players will make it to the international scene. But it's good for Bangladesh to win. They haven't won anything at international level. So they need exposure of winning from a young age for the next generation.

At least 10 players from this squad will play for BD, may be even more. The reason I have explained many times, won’t repeat. How successful they’ll be at international level is different ball game, but I am not sure actually who’ll miss BD cap from this batch.

This is how gradual progression happens for every team. This U19 team’s success actually tells that the system is working and there are technically better youngsters coming, but this batch is lucky for early movers advantage - they’ll find it easier to make their way up than the next batch, or it should be - that’s the way a sports nation improves. Opposite is, if still same things happen like 10-12 U19 boys are making national team means that country (cricket) has gone to a stagnant state.

As far I know, next U19 batch is equally good, probably a bit better if you ask me, one kid from this team should lead that team (Prantik Nabil - a genuine 16 years old, grade 10 student), a brilliant leggi, and couple of pacers as well and they’ll also make the SF at least in WIN. But, I can categorically say that even if that team wins the trophy again, still not as many like 2020’s boys will make it and some might miss the FC cut - simple reason is no matter how good you are, there has to be a vacuum to accommodate - unless we increase number of teams, next boys will have to dislodge some men. And, if it continues for 3-4 WCs, by 2030, you’ll see at most 2-3 from that squad making the national cap, which is more or less standard for top teams.

Standard formula doesn’t work for emerging teams - we might see few of the boys as early as the next ZIM series at home!!!!! I’ll write something on this BD U19, when free - you’ll see that, this batch is completely different from what you have seen so far. But, obviously the journey has just started - where it’ll end depends on many other factors.

 

[Slog]

I don’t think so. Most of the English kids have FC/List A exposure, in India, SAF, PAK team as well there are several players with some FC/List A experience; even the Aussie opener (top kid, he’ll play for Australia) has few Shield games while the AFG team has probably couple of Test player.

My point was completely different- half of these U19 WC boys won’t find a FC team because of established squads there and by the time spots are open, next batch(S) adds to the competition. Therefore, some of the players despite being top talents won’t end as pro cricketers. For example Arman Jafar - kid is extremely unlucky to be born in Mumbai, hence still waiting at the wings of FC Ranji teams; in 2016 U19 WC, he showed enough potential to be an international by now.

For BD boys, the context is a bit different- first, they have won a global event for the first time - these 15/16 players will always be special. But, the main reason is, these boys are actually very good with proper cricket techniques, even without wining jr WC, each of them would have made it to FC level for sure. Second issue is, for an Indian U19 top talent, still it’s difficult to break the barrier because already there are established FC players with equal skills, but for our boys, they are categorically better than average FC players there - add to that the WC winners’ status - I expect each of them playing FC cricket regularly from next season, and they will be given key spots/roles in playing XI as well.

My point to @Saj’s post was that, these BD kids won’t be lost like half of the U19 kids in established cricket countries - they will get their chances, but how far they’ll go in international career depends on their individual hunger, the domestic system and pure luck to some extent.

lets see. Hopefully they go on to become solid international players to make BD a consistently competitive team in the future.

However, the gulf is usually very very huge between U19 cricket and top rung domestic cricket in most countries (don't know about Bangladesh but I would expect same). The Bangladeshi kids did well but they are in very early stage of their careers so it is hard to make a prediction about everyone. The issue is not whether they will be handed caps. Being handed a Bangladesh cricket cap isn't a huge huge achievement in itself like it was to be handed an Aussie cap in the early 2000s. The issue is whether they will be able to handle fame, improve skills and operate under pressure of international cricket.

 

[Aman]

I don’t think so. Most of the English kids have FC/List A exposure, in India, SAF, PAK team as well there are several players with some FC/List A experience; even the Aussie opener (top kid, he’ll play for Australia) has few Shield games while the AFG team has probably couple of Test player.

My point was completely different- half of these U19 WC boys won’t find a FC team because of established squads there and by the time spots are open, next batch(S) adds to the competition. Therefore, some of the players despite being top talents won’t end as pro cricketers. For example Arman Jafar - kid is extremely unlucky to be born in Mumbai, hence still waiting at the wings of FC Ranji teams; in 2016 U19 WC, he showed enough potential to be an international by now.

For BD boys, the context is a bit different- first, they have won a global event for the first time - these 15/16 players will always be special. But, the main reason is, these boys are actually very good with proper cricket techniques, even without wining jr WC, each of them would have made it to FC level for sure. Second issue is, for an Indian U19 top talent, still it’s difficult to break the barrier because already there are established FC players with equal skills, but for our boys, they are categorically better than average FC players there - add to that the WC winners’ status - I expect each of them playing FC cricket regularly from next season, and they will be given key spots/roles in playing XI as well.

My point to @Saj’s post was that, these BD kids won’t be lost like half of the U19 kids in established cricket countries - they will get their chances, but how far they’ll go in international career depends on their individual hunger, the domestic system and pure luck to some extent.

From the last U19 WC, only one player looks to be set to play for NZ (Rachin Ravindra).

Finn Allen who was a standout has struggled but has some notable performances (runs for the A team against England and NZ), Dale Phillips and Bhula play domestic cricket but haven't really been performing. The rest I don't think have domestic contracts or done anything to grab attention (at least mine).

 

[Hasan123]

At least 10 players from this squad will play for BD, may be even more. The reason I have explained many times, won’t repeat. How successful they’ll be at international level is different ball game, but I am not sure actually who’ll miss BD cap from this batch.

This is how gradual progression happens for every team. This U19 team’s success actually tells that the system is working and there are technically better youngsters coming, but this batch is lucky for early movers advantage - they’ll find it easier to make their way up than the next batch, or it should be - that’s the way a sports nation improves. Opposite is, if still same things happen like 10-12 U19 boys are making national team means that country (cricket) has gone to a stagnant state.

As far I know, next U19 batch is equally good, probably a bit better if you ask me, one kid from this team should lead that team (Prantik Nabil - a genuine 16 years old, grade 10 student), a brilliant leggi, and couple of pacers as well and they’ll also make the SF at least in WIN. But, I can categorically say that even if that team wins the trophy again, still not as many like 2020’s boys will make it and some might miss the FC cut - simple reason is no matter how good you are, there has to be a vacuum to accommodate - unless we increase number of teams, next boys will have to dislodge some men. And, if it continues for 3-4 WCs, by 2030, you’ll see at most 2-3 from that squad making the national cap, which is more or less standard for top teams.

Standard formula doesn’t work for emerging teams - we might see few of the boys as early as the next ZIM series at home!!!!! I’ll write something on this BD U19, when free - you’ll see that, this batch is completely different from what you have seen so far. But, obviously the journey has just started - where it’ll end depends on many other factors.

Bangladesh have an older squad at the moment so more of these U19 players will be tried. But for the big 3 and other nations I wouldn't expect them to be packed with players who played at the U19 WC.

 

[jnaveen1980]

From the last U19 WC, only one player looks to be set to play for NZ (Rachin Ravindra).

Finn Allen who was a standout has struggled but has some notable performances (runs for the A team against England and NZ), Dale Phillips and Bhula play domestic cricket but haven't really been performing. The rest I don't think have domestic contracts or done anything to grab attention (at least mine).

Aditya Ashok is another guy born 100 kilo meters from where i did my college. Hope he makes it big

 

[Aman]

Aditya Ashok is another guy born 100 kilo meters from where i did my college. Hope he makes it big

Heard a bit about him in the papers but I heard of Ollie White too there and they don't seem to have had the best of tournaments.

 

[tyron_woodley]

these Bangladesh under 19 boys probably will never get a much coveted prestigious ipl contract ever in their lifetime due to their misconduct. Unfortunate but that's how life works for bcci. So don't shoot me. I don't care but that's what I am hearing on Facebook regarding this issue.

ah well they have their own franchise anyway. They probably have to play 5 seasons to make as much an international player in lpl does in one.

 

[sweep_shot]

these Bangladesh under 19 boys probably will never get a much coveted prestigious ipl contract ever in their lifetime due to their misconduct. Unfortunate but that's how life works for bcci. So don't shoot me. I don't care but that's what I am hearing on Facebook regarding this issue.

ah well they have their own franchise anyway. They probably have to play 5 seasons to make as much an international player in lpl does in one.

Yeah. The kids got carried away a bit. But, the aggression worked and they became champions.

BD players generally don't get to play in IPL anyway (only Shakib was regular).

 

[Bullet Drive]

At least 10 players from this squad will play for BD, may be even more. The reason I have explained many times, won’t repeat. How successful they’ll be at international level is different ball game, but I am not sure actually who’ll miss BD cap from this batch.

This is how gradual progression happens for every team. This U19 team’s success actually tells that the system is working and there are technically better youngsters coming, but this batch is lucky for early movers advantage - they’ll find it easier to make their way up than the next batch, or it should be - that’s the way a sports nation improves. Opposite is, if still same things happen like 10-12 U19 boys are making national team means that country (cricket) has gone to a stagnant state.

As far I know, next U19 batch is equally good, probably a bit better if you ask me, one kid from this team should lead that team (Prantik Nabil - a genuine 16 years old, grade 10 student), a brilliant leggi, and couple of pacers as well and they’ll also make the SF at least in WIN. But, I can categorically say that even if that team wins the trophy again, still not as many like 2020’s boys will make it and some might miss the FC cut - simple reason is no matter how good you are, there has to be a vacuum to accommodate - unless we increase number of teams, next boys will have to dislodge some men. And, if it continues for 3-4 WCs, by 2030, you’ll see at most 2-3 from that squad making the national cap, which is more or less standard for top teams.

Standard formula doesn’t work for emerging teams - we might see few of the boys as early as the next ZIM series at home!!!!! I’ll write something on this BD U19, when free - you’ll see that, this batch is completely different from what you have seen so far. But, obviously the journey has just started - where it’ll end depends on many other factors.

Are you sure Prantik is a leggie? He seems to be a 16 year old left handed batsman?

http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/1172971.html

Hasn't taken a wicket in 9 games.

 

[Savak]

Lol at this thread. No one raised or mentioned this when Pakistan lost to India by ten wickets. Why does this format become irrelevant when India gets upset in the final?

 

[MMHS]

Are you sure Prantik is a leggie? He seems to be a 16 year old left handed batsman?

http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/1172971.html

Hasn't taken a wicket in 9 games.

I am talking about another kid (forgot name, bowls with Warne like action). Prantik Nowroz Nabil is a fantastic batsman in making, just 16, left-handed opener and he actually made this U19 team at the age of 14, when he was in Grade 8. He is in this squad, but they went for Emon, who is more experienced.