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You are assuming when I talk about the Muslim world I am talking about Pakistan. If you saw the noise around UAE then you would realise that it is the rest of the Muslim world that is sticking the boot in, Pakistan has maintained a strict silence.
That’s because they have nothing to offer: Iran has Strait of Hormuz as leverage, UAE and other Arab countries have oil. Who is sticking a boot to UAE apart from Iran which is antagonizing all Arab countries ? Sorry but are we following different world events here?
 
That’s because they have nothing to offer: Iran has Strait of Hormuz as leverage, UAE and other Arab countries have oil. Who is sticking a boot to UAE apart from Iran which is antagonizing all Arab countries ? Sorry but are we following different world events here?
Saudis did. Forced them out of Yemen and funny how the Somaliland issue died down pretty soon thereafter.
 
I really want to hear from @Rajdeep and @KingKhanWC on this. Do you finally accept that SS/Pak are on the global map now in terms of diplomacy and goodwill?

USA asked Pak for help due being humiliated. If yanks were winning comfortably Pakistan would have kept quiet.

The war is likely to continue now as Zionists are bringing up Epstein again to threaten the American administration.
 
That’s because they have nothing to offer: Iran has Strait of Hormuz as leverage, UAE and other Arab countries have oil. Who is sticking a boot to UAE apart from Iran which is antagonizing all Arab countries ? Sorry but are we following different world events here?

National govts tend to be quite diplomatic anyway, but if you follow the chatter of the public, there is a lot of criticism from the Muslim world towards the UAE. Even from their own citizens although admittedly they will do it anonymously on social media forums like Reddit.
 
USA asked Pak for help due being humiliated. If yanks were winning comfortably Pakistan would have kept quiet.

The war is likely to continue now as Zionists are bringing up Epstein again to threaten the American administration.
Why don't you answer the question instead of dancing around it? They chose Pak to be the mediator because they consider us to be on equal footing and allies. Big diplomatic win, do you agree or no? Will you revise your opinion on the current regime?
 
Saudis did. Forced them out of Yemen and funny how the Somaliland issue died down pretty soon thereafter.
You probably have a better grip on the subject so I will leave it there but yes, I kinda know they had a conflict on The whole Yemen situation. Also there was always a Cold War kind of a rivalry between them from what I remember from a trade perspective as well .

However don’t think it’s a on surface enmity like Pak-Afg, Pak-Ind, Pak- Israel or even Ind- China.

As I said maybe you guys get more juice on this from Islamic forums etc, so will leave it to your expertise.

Having said that this situation is independent to the other conflicts, no?

From what I am reading they are on the same page here when it comes to this particular war atleast on the surface 🤷‍♂️
 
Completely bonkers statement Khwaja Asif last night. You have to wonder at the IQ levels of these morons.
Agree. Think Pakistan deserve credit for acting as the intermediary between Iran and USA/israel. I think it can only really be seen as a positive thing, acting in a capacity to try and forge peace is a good thing.

Khawaja Asif is stupid to say such things when Pakistan are doing their best to try and broker peace. If you really cared about people dying you wouldn’t open your mouth like that to bring the slightest effect of jeopardising peace talks. It will probably be largely ignored what he said, but it’s still bad of him.
 
Content of the tweet, absolutely.

He’s a dumb A$$ for the timing of it.


This. What he has said is absolutely true, and to be fair, it has delighted a lot of international Muslims around the world. But it was really poorly timed considering Pakistan is hosting efforts to broker a ceasefire.

The only upside from where I am standing is that it will confirm to Iran that Pakistan is standing firmly alongside them against the tyranny and devastation being inflicted by israel and it's US big daddy.
 
This. What he has said is absolutely true, and to be fair, it has delighted a lot of international Muslims around the world. But it was really poorly timed considering Pakistan is hosting efforts to broker a ceasefire.

The only upside from where I am standing is that it will confirm to Iran that Pakistan is standing firmly alongside them against the tyranny and devastation being inflicted by israel and it's US big daddy.
It’s also left Israel some what isolated, while Pakistan seems to have played its hand quite effectively.

Meanwhile, things seem so strained for Trump’s administration that the Epstein narrative had to be revived, this time pulling Melania Trump into the spotlight with uncomfortable questions about her alleged involvement.
 
When you read some of the posts here you almost feel as if this war is USA + Iran + Middle East vs Israel lol 🤦‍♂️

What the Pak FM tweeted is nothing but the reflection of what the avg Pakistani thinks about Israel. However the issue seem to be why did he get the timing wrong to ruin some digital gloatfest which has no real long term benefit.

Just FYI- Iran vs Middle East has always been about 2 things- 2. Sectarian issues and more importantly No.1- powerplay to control the oil trade

It’s not something that started yesterday.

Simple Iran and Israel have issues. Israel is almost an indispensable ally of USA, they start fighting and USA steps in. Iran attacks their closest allies which is Gulf counties , their oil fields and the USA bases (Middle East).

So not sure how getting around Israel or cutting them off or antagonizing them will yield anything.

I am assuming most think after these discussions- all the ummah will become one like avengers and attack Israel. Well I won’t ruin the party but watch this space….
 
What the Pak FM tweeted is nothing but the reflection of what the avg Pakistani thinks about Israel

Reflection of Average Human Being

Israel is absolute scum of the earth. Genocidal Maniacs with agenda of capturing Terrortries for Greater Israel. I Stand by what Asif said
 
Reflection of Average Human Being

Israel is absolute scum of the earth. Genocidal Maniacs with agenda of capturing Terrortries for Greater Israel. I Stand by what Asif said
“genocide” seems to be the most commonly thrown word around here expect when it comes to Kashmiri Pandits, Hindu Sindhis etc.

If some anpadh jihaadis can drive out an entire community from Kashmir valley, how long do you think it would take for Israel with their sophisticated weaponry and brains when it comes to who is who of science, would need to do the same?

In fact Arabs have always had back channel talks with Israel and with Abrahamic accords made it more official.

In fact looks like all the funding Arabs did as information warfare in madrassas in Pak, Bangla probably have worked wonders to the point it has ballooned into a irrational monster.

I recently saw a video of Bangladeshi guy telling a random Jewish guy that he wished he died a miserable death without any provocation 🤦‍♂️ maybe some of you folks are super smart to know difference between “zionists” and “Jewish” folk, the average commoner which is the higher percentage don’t:

PS- I don’t think Israel is 💯 doodh ka dhula hua either and probably did target civilian areas, however the blind irrational hatred against jews that Pakistanis who can’t point Israel on a map is scary.
 
“genocide” seems to be the most commonly thrown word around here expect when it comes to Kashmiri Pandits, Hindu Sindhis etc.

If some anpadh jihaadis can drive out an entire community from Kashmir valley, how long do you think it would take for Israel with their sophisticated weaponry and brains when it comes to who is who of science, would need to do the same?

In fact Arabs have always had back channel talks with Israel and with Abrahamic accords made it more official.

In fact looks like all the funding Arabs did as information warfare in madrassas in Pak, Bangla probably have worked wonders to the point it has ballooned into a irrational monster.

I recently saw a video of Bangladeshi guy telling a random Jewish guy that he wished he died a miserable death without any provocation 🤦‍♂️ maybe some of you folks are super smart to know difference between “zionists” and “Jewish” folk, the average commoner which is the higher percentage don’t:

PS- I don’t think Israel is 💯 doodh ka dhula hua either and probably did target civilian areas, however the blind irrational hatred against jews that Pakistanis who can’t point Israel on a map is scary.

I don't know why you think that only Pakistanis refer to it as genocide, don't you follow international forums on social media? In the USA itself there has been a massive switch in support against israel and their genocidal policies. What used to be just the more politically savvy commentators is now becoming mainstream opinion.
 
I don't know why you think that only Pakistanis refer to it as genocide, don't you follow international forums on social media? In the USA itself there has been a massive switch in support against israel and their genocidal policies. What used to be just the more politically savvy commentators is now becoming mainstream opinion.
As I said I don’t beleive in empty rhetoric, so did some research. The demographic % is 98.9% Sunni Muslims

Here is your source-
Gaza population growth (CSIS / U.S. Census data)


Here are the numbers
  • 1960 → 265,800
  • 1970 → 342,700
  • 1980 → 431,600
  • 1990 → 645,100
  • 2000 → 1.1 million
  • 2010 → 1.5 million
  • 2023 → 2.1 million
I am trying to get 2023 onwards numbers so give me some time till I find a reliable source but I would assume the “genocide”
accusations preceded 2023.

Defintion of Genocide:
The deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.”

Source

Merriam-Webster


Ps: the conclusion is not 0 innocent have died or been killed but definetely doesn’t look like this can qualify as genocide:

Would you prefer a similar exercise for Hindus in Pakistan vs Muslims in India or Muslims in Gujarat or Hindus in Kashmir etc;

Since it’s your fav subject let’s make it data driven and scientific instead of rhetorical. What say? 👍
 
As I said I don’t beleive in empty rhetoric, so did some research. The demographic % is 98.9% Sunni Muslims

Here is your source-
Gaza population growth (CSIS / U.S. Census data)


Here are the numbers
  • 1960 → 265,800
  • 1970 → 342,700
  • 1980 → 431,600
  • 1990 → 645,100
  • 2000 → 1.1 million
  • 2010 → 1.5 million
  • 2023 → 2.1 million
I am trying to get 2023 onwards numbers so give me some time till I find a reliable source but I would assume the “genocide”
accusations preceded 2023.

Defintion of Genocide:
The deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.”

Source

Merriam-Webster


Ps: the conclusion is not 0 innocent have died or been killed but definetely doesn’t look like this can qualify as genocide:

Would you prefer a similar exercise for Hindus in Pakistan vs Muslims in India or Muslims in Gujarat or Hindus in Kashmir etc;

Since it’s your fav subject let’s make it data driven and scientific instead of rhetorical. What say? 👍
 
As I said I don’t beleive in empty rhetoric, so did some research. The demographic % is 98.9% Sunni Muslims

Here is your source-
Gaza population growth (CSIS / U.S. Census data)


Here are the numbers
  • 1960 → 265,800
  • 1970 → 342,700
  • 1980 → 431,600
  • 1990 → 645,100
  • 2000 → 1.1 million
  • 2010 → 1.5 million
  • 2023 → 2.1 million
I am trying to get 2023 onwards numbers so give me some time till I find a reliable source but I would assume the “genocide”
accusations preceded 2023.

Defintion of Genocide:
The deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.”

Source

Merriam-Webster


Ps: the conclusion is not 0 innocent have died or been killed but definetely doesn’t look like this can qualify as genocide:

Would you prefer a similar exercise for Hindus in Pakistan vs Muslims in India or Muslims in Gujarat or Hindus in Kashmir etc;

Since it’s your fav subject let’s make it data driven and scientific instead of rhetorical. What say? 👍

All that proves is that Palestinians have been forced into one tiny area in Gaza from having once lived all over Palestine - which is now referred to as israel.
 
“genocide” seems to be the most commonly thrown word around here expect when it comes to Kashmiri Pandits, Hindu Sindhis etc.

If some anpadh jihaadis can drive out an entire community from Kashmir valley, how long do you think it would take for Israel with their sophisticated weaponry and brains when it comes to who is who of science, would need to do the same?

In fact Arabs have always had back channel talks with Israel and with Abrahamic accords made it more official.

In fact looks like all the funding Arabs did as information warfare in madrassas in Pak, Bangla probably have worked wonders to the point it has ballooned into a irrational monster.

I recently saw a video of Bangladeshi guy telling a random Jewish guy that he wished he died a miserable death without any provocation 🤦‍♂️ maybe some of you folks are super smart to know difference between “zionists” and “Jewish” folk, the average commoner which is the higher percentage don’t:

PS- I don’t think Israel is 💯 doodh ka dhula hua either and probably did target civilian areas, however the blind irrational hatred against jews that Pakistanis who can’t point Israel on a map is scary.
Writing long Paragraphs wont change the facts

I said average Human Being share same sentiments. But i see how vigorosly you are defending Phaderland. Thats ok

Forget about Muslims or how they are indoctrined as per you , Ask europeans , Common Americans south or North , Go to South Africa the most developed nation on African continent , They absolutely hate Israel to its bare bones and got no qualms about its Genocidal Nature. Lets exclude Motherland from this list
 
Do you agree or disagree with the defense minister's tweet? Simple question really.
Lol, yeh tout kidhar say a nikla achanak.

Anyways I am an IK supporter and I agree with Khwaja Asif that Israel is evil. But can you tell me why he deleted his tweet after first tweeting?

Don't run away, same question to you also @emranabbas , why did he delete his tweet?
 
All that proves is that Palestinians have been forced into one tiny area in Gaza from having once lived all over Palestine - which is now referred to as israel.
You should challenge my numbers or ask for additional context if you want a debate not make empty conclusions.

Basically it is Gaza + West Bank + Israel which is what the total disputed Palestine is right?

There are 19% Muslims in present day Israel


Here are numbers for West Bank which is also seeing a growth spurt


Year
Muslim Population (Approx.)
1960~500,000
1970~700,000
1980~900,000
1990~1,200,000
2000~1,900,000
2010~2,500,000
2023~3,000,000


So basically you are saying that all the Jews should move out of Israel and give it to Muslims of Gaza + Westbank?

That sounds like reverse- genocide to me 🤔

Some article written by some journalist is not exactly evidence.
 
Lol, yeh tout kidhar say a nikla achanak.

Anyways I am an IK supporter and I agree with Khwaja Asif that Israel is evil. But can you tell me why he deleted his tweet after first tweeting?

Don't run away, same question to you also @emranabbas , why did he delete his tweet?

The tweet was removed by X for violating policies. :cool:
 
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You should challenge my numbers or ask for additional context if you want a debate not make empty conclusions.

Basically it is Gaza + West Bank + Israel which is what the total disputed Palestine is right?

There are 19% Muslims in present day Israel


Here are numbers for West Bank which is also seeing a growth spurt


Year
Muslim Population (Approx.)
1960~500,000
1970~700,000
1980~900,000
1990~1,200,000
2000~1,900,000
2010~2,500,000
2023~3,000,000


So basically you are saying that all the Jews should move out of Israel and give it to Muslims of Gaza + Westbank?

That sounds like reverse- genocide to me 🤔

Some article written by some journalist is not exactly evidence.

How is moving out of israel and going back to Europe genocide?
 
so you want 10 million people to shut their businesses, give up their jobs and homes and move to Europe: overnight , will UK accommodate them?

I thought your issue was with “zionists” not Jewish people

they can always go to India its a massive country.
 
They didn't all come from the UK. Europe is a big place.

Actually, if they accepted their place as immigrants then many of them could be accomodated in Palestine itself since I would imagine not all of the Palestinians forced out of israel would return.

does @Local.Dada even know where Europe is?
 
By the same logic would you be ok if BJP ships out all the Muslims who trace ancestry to Iran, Afghanistan, Arabia etc?

Or least Pakistan which was the land carved for subcontinent Muslims?

every one of them needs to get out of that hell hole.
 
The tweet was removed by X for violating policies. :cool:
Finally PTI supporters on social media got happy with him, and many liked his tweet for the first time but then he deleted it, and he also deleted from Facebook etc.

Anyways let's wish them good luck with the peace talks, hopefully we will get permanent peace.

And I am noting down both your posts and @RizwanT20Champ 's posts also. Will get back to you guys on domestic politics later on, In sha Allah.
 
Finally PTI supporters on social media got happy with him, and many liked his tweet for the first time but then he deleted it, and he also deleted from Facebook etc.

Anyways let's wish them good luck with the peace talks, hopefully we will get permanent peace.

And I am noting down both your posts and @RizwanT20Champ 's posts also. Will get back to you guys on domestic politics later on, In sha Allah.

But all the main people whose propaganda you PTI supporters follow are criticising the peace talks in Islamabad.
 
“genocide” seems to be the most commonly thrown word around here expect when it comes to Kashmiri Pandits, Hindu Sindhis etc.

If some anpadh jihaadis can drive out an entire community from Kashmir valley, how long do you think it would take for Israel with their sophisticated weaponry and brains when it comes to who is who of science, would need to do the same?

In fact Arabs have always had back channel talks with Israel and with Abrahamic accords made it more official.

In fact looks like all the funding Arabs did as information warfare in madrassas in Pak, Bangla probably have worked wonders to the point it has ballooned into a irrational monster.

I recently saw a video of Bangladeshi guy telling a random Jewish guy that he wished he died a miserable death without any provocation 🤦‍♂️ maybe some of you folks are super smart to know difference between “zionists” and “Jewish” folk, the average commoner which is the higher percentage don’t:

PS- I don’t think Israel is 💯 doodh ka dhula hua either and probably did target civilian areas, however the blind irrational hatred against jews that Pakistanis who can’t point Israel on a map is scary.
I am usually neutral with this whole Israel Palestine issue. However, I think killing of 50,000+ in response to killing of 1,000+ is way over the top. However, the worst part of it is the government allowed the event to occur with the level of Intelligence Israel has for political gain.
 
One myth that is busted here from the above convo is the chooran that oh we don’t hate Jews, we hate only Zionists. 🤣

Apply same to the chooran we don’t have issue with Hindus, only “Hindutva”.
 
Why don't you answer the question instead of dancing around it? They chose Pak to be the mediator because they consider us to be on equal footing and allies. Big diplomatic win, do you agree or no? Will you revise your opinion on the current regime?

I did answer but I’ll make it clear, pak regime are puppets just doing their jobs .

Equal footing lol
 
I am certain they are not underestimating anyone .
I don't expect anything from Iran - they've been too soft and naive in the past. But I do trust China and Russia. There is no way that China and Russia will let their attention drop. All movements, ground, air and sea are being monitored by hundreds of drones, satellites and human intelligence.
 
I don't expect anything from Iran - they've been too soft and naive in the past. But I do trust China and Russia. There is no way that China and Russia will let their attention drop. All movements, ground, air and sea are being monitored by hundreds of drones, satellites and human intelligence.
China & Russia are extending as much support as they can while remaining behind the scene ... hard truth is : Everyone has to fight their own wars !!!
 
US fooled Iran and Pakistan as there is no ceasefire on Israel vs Iran and Israel vs Lebanon war.... what a shame
 
Why Trump is not visited for this ceasefire in Pakistan? If this ceasefire held in front of Modiji or Xi Jinping then Trump remain present. Trump don't want to downgrade himself with sheriff and co. Thus he sent his deputy
 
As per reports mediation by Pakistan is going to fail as Iran is still adamant on its demand rather than agreeing on anything said JD Vance. Pakistan should treat J.D.Vance well afterall hez India's damaad
 
As per reports mediation by Pakistan is going to fail as Iran is still adamant on its demand rather than agreeing on anything said JD Vance. Pakistan should treat J.D.Vance well afterall hez India's damaad
Which reports?
 
Have folks seen these Iranian AI Lego videos? Epic!
 
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