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Local.Dada said:
If that’s your benchmark than let me put it this way- they don’t see Pakistanis as any different so they attach all the negative tropes against Indians + the obvious terrorist factor. So double whammy. I wouldn’t get too excited about it.
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actually they do not. Western Tourists who visit both India and Pak usually have different opinions
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
actually they do not. Western Tourists who visit both India and Pak usually have different opinions
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Lololol 👇


India Yearly arrivals:

  • 2020: 6.33M
  • 2021: 7.00M
  • 2022: 14.33M
  • 2023: 18.89M
  • 2024: ~20.5M (official recovery level)
  • 2025 YTD: ~5.6M (Jan–Aug)
Total (2020 → 2025 YTD):

≈ 72.6 million

Average (6 years incl. 2025 YTD):

12.1 million/year


Pakistan

Yearly arrivals:
  • 2020: ~0.75M
  • 2021: ~0.72M
  • 2022: ~0.01M (pandemic collapse)
  • 2023: ~0.61M
  • 2024: ~0.7M (estimated)
  • 2025 YTD: ~0.3M (estimated trend)

Total (2020 → 2025 YTD):

≈ 3.09 million

Average (6 years incl. 2025 YTD):


≈ 0.52 million/year 🤣🤣🤣


Is chooran ke liye kahaan se leke aate ho bhai itna confidence 😂

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Local.Dada said:
Lololol 👇


India Yearly arrivals:

  • 2020: 6.33M
  • 2021: 7.00M
  • 2022: 14.33M
  • 2023: 18.89M
  • 2024: ~20.5M (official recovery level)
  • 2025 YTD: ~5.6M (Jan–Aug)
Total (2020 → 2025 YTD):

≈ 72.6 million

Average (6 years incl. 2025 YTD):

12.1 million/year


Pakistan

Yearly arrivals:
  • 2020: ~0.75M
  • 2021: ~0.72M
  • 2022: ~0.01M (pandemic collapse)
  • 2023: ~0.61M
  • 2024: ~0.7M (estimated)
  • 2025 YTD: ~0.3M (estimated trend)

Total (2020 → 2025 YTD):

≈ 3.09 million

Average (6 years incl. 2025 YTD):


≈ 0.52 million/year 🤣🤣🤣


Is chooran ke liye kahaan se leke aate ho bhai itna confidence 😂

Sources
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what does yearly arrival numbers have to do with what we are talking about
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
what does yearly arrival numbers have to do with what we are talking about
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That’s because those “tourist experiences” you quote have 0 value and again empty rhetoric.

If Pak was great there should be a Year over year increase in tourists. I suspect most are probably CIA, IMF type foreign workers. So yeah some online chooran is not conclusive. Numbers, data leke aao proof ke saat or stay away.
 
Local.Dada said:
That’s because those “tourist experiences” you quote have 0 value and again empty rhetoric.

If Pak was great there should be a Year over year increase in tourists. I suspect most are probably CIA, IMF type foreign workers. So yeah some online chooran is not conclusive. Numbers, data leke aao proof ke saat or stay away.
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I told you the tourists who visit both India and Pak and have sizeable youtube following.. Theit experiences tell different stories. You can really narrow that group down..Got nothing to do with CIA or IMF ..this is absurd counter argument
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
I told you the tourists who visit both India and Pak and have sizeable youtube following.. There experienced tell different stories. You can really narrow that group down..Go nothing to do with CIA or IMF ..this is absurd counter argument
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I can show you plenty of negative videos by YouTubers on Pak as well. You want to go that route? Let me know. However I am not going by that or I don’t play cheap like that . I am going by actual numbers of how many people are enthusiastic to travel to India and Pak. There ends the matter. Let me know if you want to go in that direction but that would be a ragebait on some third party opinion than factual data which most of you guys seem allergic to because it is inconvenient.
 
Local.Dada said:
I can show you plenty of negative videos by YouTubers on Pak as well. You want to go that route? Let me know. However I am not going by that or I don’t play cheap like that . I am going by actual numbers of how many people are enthusiastic to travel to India and Pak. There ends the matter. Let me know if you want to go in that direction but that would be a ragebait on some third party opinion than factual data which most of you guys seem allergic to because it is inconvenient.
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be my guest and show negative videos and that gotta be plenty. but keep in mind , Youtuber must have sizeable following. not just any videom Tourist visiting the country
 
I thought this thread was about Iran-US and Pakistan's magical powers of persuasion; why is everyone discussing tourism in the subcontinent ?
 
psyoptica said:
The quality of this forum has gone down the gutter. I have been a member more than 13 years and never at any point was this forum this bad. We have always had posters that liked to banter but there was a level of respect and courtesy shown.
PP has become way too comfortable with Indians now openly dissing Pakistanis and Muslims. The lowlife posters like Devadwal, globtrotter, deltexas belong in the gutter and shouldn't be allowed to post here but we tolerate them for some reason. I challenge you to find an indian site that allowed Pakistanis to comment like them
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I agree. I think I joined this forum over 20 years ago and back then it had informative threads on both cricket and general matters.

I stopped reading the forum a few years ago partly out of wanting less screen time but also the quality of debate had gone downhill due to chest thumping Indians and the mysterious disappearance of a Kamran Akmal drop thread!

Visited again a few weeks ago hoping to get a different perspective on Middle East events and it’s a cesspool with these Hinduvata scum being given licence to spout their bile.

It may as well be called Pajeetpassion these days.
 
straighttalk said:
We will do neither... We are not a slave bhika*i country like Paksitan... Whose ok stands up on Trump's command and gives a speech genuinely saying he deserves nobel peace prize in front of the whole world
.. did you see the cringe speech.. I can share it with you.. it was embarrassing to watch as Indian and even Italian pm was shocked. We are allies with Israel and business partner with Iran... Our relationship is not anti Iran.. we partnered with them for chahabat port too
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No less embarrassing than Modi's fawning over "Doland" Trump between 2016-2020. Was it a parallel universe where we saw the hand holding, the hugging, the "Namaste Trump" rallies, and his followers praying at shrines of Trump ?

Look Trump is a egotistical buffoon whose childlike mind is penetrated only through deference and flattery. If you think Pakistan are sucking up - see NATO Sec Gen Mark Rutte's behaviour.

I'm no fan of the present Pakistani regime but accept they've played a blinder. They've improved Pakistan's battered international standing by leveraging its unique position as a neighbour with the world's 2nd largest Shia population, and deemed sufficiently neutral (despite the Saudi pact) by the Iranian Govt.

To Indian posters here - it's possible to oppose Pakistan's foreign policy from 1948-present day, but still give credit for providing an off-ramp in a war that's causing real economic harm to millions of Indians and Pakistanis alike.
 
Markhor said:
No less embarrassing than Modi's fawning over "Doland" Trump between 2016-2020. Was it a parallel universe where we saw the hand holding, the hugging, the "Namaste Trump" rallies, and his followers praying at shrines of Trump ?

Look Trump is a egotistical buffoon whose childlike mind is penetrated only through deference and flattery. If you think Pakistan are sucking up - see NATO Sec Gen Mark Rutte's behaviour.

I'm no fan of the present Pakistani regime but accept they've played a blinder. They've improved Pakistan's battered international standing by leveraging its unique position as a neighbour with the world's 2nd largest Shia population, and deemed sufficiently neutral (despite the Saudi pact) by the Iranian Govt.

To Indian posters here - it's possible to oppose Pakistan's foreign policy from 1948-present day, but still give credit for providing an off-ramp in a war that's causing real economic harm to millions of Indians and Pakistanis alike.
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Good for ye. Hope those petrol prices come down and the lockdown is lifted and people can watch PSL games soon.

Life is business as usual in India and we have 4 major state elections happening. We have had the least minimal impact since the war began. Key word- least minimal, I didn’t say 0.

We got our ships, we didn’t antagonize anyone and life goes on . All good.

Not every perceived win for Pak needs to be latched on to from a pov of “we owned India”/ Moody/ RSS etc. India had 0 stakes in the war from the start. 0 fs given as the saying goes.

In fact neither did our status quo change with any country from before.

I would infact argue there have been some amount of tensions between Pak and UAE from this.

I would infact say India has played the 0 sum game brilliantly.

The good and the bad consequences from this is all Pakistan’s. As always typical, wrong priorities.
 
Markhor said:
No less embarrassing than Modi's fawning over "Doland" Trump between 2016-2020. Was it a parallel universe where we saw the hand holding, the hugging, the "Namaste Trump" rallies, and his followers praying at shrines of Trump ?

Look Trump is a egotistical buffoon whose childlike mind is penetrated only through deference and flattery. If you think Pakistan are sucking up - see NATO Sec Gen Mark Rutte's behaviour.

I'm no fan of the present Pakistani regime but accept they've played a blinder. They've improved Pakistan's battered international standing by leveraging its unique position as a neighbour with the world's 2nd largest Shia population, and deemed sufficiently neutral (despite the Saudi pact) by the Iranian Govt.

To Indian posters here - it's possible to oppose Pakistan's foreign policy from 1948-present day, but still give credit for providing an off-ramp in a war that's causing real economic harm to millions of Indians and Pakistanis alike.
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I agree with you about Modi, he is the butt of jokes and rightfully so.

Regarding mediation, it's usually the domain of neutral peaceful countries with a track record .. which is the not the image indians have of the Pakistan establishment hence why we poke fun; some of the pak posters here are taking it as a personal attack on them. Strange. Tis the same establishment you all were cursing a couple of months ago for locking up your national hero Imran Khan and almost blinding him.

If you think Pakistan's international standing has improved, well .. good for you. I'm not sure it has. In any case, I don't think the ceasefire will last and the americans are possibly waiting to replenish their stocks before the next strike.
 
Local.Dada said:
Not every perceived win for Pak needs to be latched on to from a pov of “we owned India”/ Moody/ RSS etc.
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That's true but it's India that since 2014 have created a foreign policy doctrine centred around isolating Pakistan. Instead it's Modi who appears isolated on the periphery in the biggest conflict of our time.

If you say India doesn't support the principle of 3rd party mediation, nor wishes to set a precedent (for obvious reasons) and left it at that, then fine.

But some of your countrymen, including your Foreign Minister with his dalal quote, mindlessly attacking Pakistan for a rare diplomatic win that virtually the entire international community has praised comes across as needless bitterness.
 
Markhor said:
That's true but it's India that since 2014 have created a foreign policy doctrine centred around isolating Pakistan. Instead it's Modi who appears isolated on the periphery in the biggest conflict of our time.

If you say India doesn't support the principle of 3rd party mediation, nor wishes to set a precedent (for obvious reasons) and left it at that, then fine.

But some of your countrymen, including your Foreign Minister with his dalal quote, mindlessly attacking Pakistan for a rare diplomatic win that virtually the entire international community has praised comes across as needless bitterness.
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What does isolation mean anyways. It’s not like India or any country including USA or China can dictate countries whom to do business with or not unless they have a grip around those countries . It’s a free world. Same way USA couldn’t tell India not to buy Russian oil at the time of Ukraine war. It wasn’t really a Pak-centric policy.

Also whatever has happened in Pak has been Pakistan’s own doing in terms of internal security and economy due to their won polcies .

The fall of a Imran’s govt was internal issue.

The economic crisis again is Pakistan’s own fault due to their own financial mismanagement management
Only thing India has done is pointed out and raised voice against terror groups operating from Pak. It is not something new. Maybe the tone got more aggressive than before. That’s about it.

As far as “Dalal” comment goes, I can show a 100 more below the belt statements from Pak leadership. That’s a pretty low tolerance then.
 
RexRex said:
I agree with you about Modi, he is the butt of jokes and rightfully so.

Regarding mediation, it's usually the domain of neutral peaceful countries with a track record .. which is the not the image indians have of the Pakistan establishment hence why we poke fun; some of the pak posters here are taking it as a personal attack on them. Strange. Tis the same establishment you all were cursing a couple of months ago for locking up your national hero Imran Khan and almost blinding him.

If you think Pakistan's international standing has improved, well .. good for you. I'm not sure it has. In any case, I don't think the ceasefire will last and the americans are possibly waiting to replenish their stocks before the next strike.
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This ceasefire isn’t going to hold. And if Iran falls, Turkey is likely next, especially if the US ever pulls back from NATO, something the groundwork already seems to be quietly preparing for.

And honestly, no one’s taking Hindutva seriously. What’s ironic is watching them look for validation from Pakistan, the very country they’ve been conditioned to hate.
 
HalBass9 said:
This ceasefire isn’t going to hold. And if Iran falls, Turkey is likely next, especially if the US ever pulls back from NATO, something the groundwork already seems to be quietly preparing for.
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Didn't Erdogan threaten to take back the Al-Aqsa mosque back from Israel or something like that ? He's a bit of a loudmouth.
 
RexRex said:
I agree with you about Modi, he is the butt of jokes and rightfully so.

Regarding mediation, it's usually the domain of neutral peaceful countries with a track record .. which is the not the image indians have of the Pakistan establishment hence why we poke fun; some of the pak posters here are taking it as a personal attack on them. Strange. Tis the same establishment you all were cursing a couple of months ago for locking up your national hero Imran Khan and almost blinding him.

If you think Pakistan's international standing has improved, well .. good for you. I'm not sure it has. In any case, I don't think the ceasefire will last and the americans are possibly waiting to replenish their stocks before the next strike.
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Interesting you mention that, which is a peaceful country then and who decides that?

US is involved in a lot of "mediations" so to speak and we all know how peaceful US is. Is India Peaceful? they have been at wars with their neighbors including China.

All this talk is nothing but nonsense. Those who can and have vested interest will jump in to either take sides or "mediate" to anvoid getting dragged in. India doesnt. Pakistan does. End of story.
 
RexRex said:
I would have believed you if every third post of yours didn't involve the word hindutva or modi in it.
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Unfortunately, the Hindutva crowd shows up in every thread, desperately fishing for validation from Pakistan. Take them out of the equation, and suddenly Hindutva barely even gets a mention.
 
RexRex said:
Didn't Erdogan threaten to take back the Al-Aqsa mosque back from Israel or something like that ? He's a bit of a loudmouth.
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Irrelevant.

The country actively colonizing the rest of the region is not Turkey.
 
Stewie said:
Interesting you mention that, which is a peaceful country then and who decides that?

US is involved in a lot of "mediations" so to speak and we all know how peaceful US is. Is India Peaceful? they have been at wars with their neighbors including China.
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US is the self-proclaimed leader of the free world. Or more specifically it is the sole superpower of the world. It has the ability to bend nations to its will, be it with economic sanctions or through military power. Their words have weight so it's not surprising they have played a role in many mediations.

India is a peaceful country. It doesn't go and invade other countries.
 
Israel seeks Lebanon talks after bombardments threaten Iran truce

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Thursday he is seeking direct talks with Beirut, a day after the worst bombardment of the war killed more than 300 people in Lebanon and placed Donald Trump's U.S.-Iran ceasefire in jeopardy.

Trump announced a ceasefire in the six-week-old Iran conflict late on Tuesday, just hours before a deadline ‌after which he threatened to destroy Iran's entire civilisation.

In Pakistan, authorities were preparing for the first round of U.S.-Iran talks, locking down parts of the capital Islamabad.

But there was no sign Iran was lifting its near-total blockade of the Strait of Hormuz, which has caused the worst disruption to global energy supplies in history, with Israel's ongoing attacks on Lebanon cited as a key sticking point.

In a defiant statement, Iran's Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei said on Thursday that Iran would be "resolute in avenging" the deaths of his father Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and the country's "martyrs" and "will take management of the Strait of Hormuz into a new phase."


www.reuters.com

Israel seeks Lebanon talks after bombardments threaten Iran truce

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Thursday he is seeking direct talks with Beirut, a day after the worst bombardment of the war killed more than 300 people in Lebanon and placed Donald Trump's U.S.-Iran ceasefire in jeopardy.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
 
Stewie said:
Interesting you mention that, which is a peaceful country then and who decides that?

US is involved in a lot of "mediations" so to speak and we all know how peaceful US is. Is India Peaceful? they have been at wars with their neighbors including China.

All this talk is nothing but nonsense. Those who can and have vested interest will jump in to either take sides or "mediate" to anvoid getting dragged in. India doesnt. Pakistan does. End of story.
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That’s also because India has 1.4 billion people and utilites like oil, gas etc are daily needs.

On top of that a functioning democracy and currently there are some crucial state elections happening which are a huge logistical nightmare.

So yeah balancing economy and democratic process takes precedence over some conflict which doesn’t concern us.

We are not a vella country with 0 prospects to waste time with such a huge security and logistical protocol hosting such sensitive parties on board. We can’t afford to shut down for any random thing and pause life as it goes on unless it’s an absolute emergency. As I said above good if this improves your leadership’s image, what this will do for the people needs to be seen.
 
HalBass9 said:
Say what you will, but Pakistan has managed to play the external diplomacy game better than most in the region, despite a struggling economy and limited influence.

If only the same focus had been placed on building a stronger democracy more self reliant economy.
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And in longer historical perspective, Pakistan has had relative success in striking a delicate balance between Saudi Arabia and Iran. In fact in 2019 I wrote a post on this: https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...nder-imran-khans-regime.283252/#post-10217238

Once Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto said to Nixon and Kissinger:

“In the Persian Gulf, Pakistan has very good relations with the Emirate states. Pakistan also has good relations with the Arab states, even with the new messiah [Gaddafi] in Libya...Relations with Iran are good. It is something of a feat to have good relations with both Iran and with the Arab states. But we do have good relations with Iran - the best of relations."
 
Markhor said:
No less embarrassing than Modi's fawning over "Doland" Trump between 2016-2020. Was it a parallel universe where we saw the hand holding, the hugging, the "Namaste Trump" rallies, and his followers praying at shrines of Trump ?

Look Trump is a egotistical buffoon whose childlike mind is penetrated only through deference and flattery. If you think Pakistan are sucking up - see NATO Sec Gen Mark Rutte's behaviour.

I'm no fan of the present Pakistani regime but accept they've played a blinder. They've improved Pakistan's battered international standing by leveraging its unique position as a neighbour with the world's 2nd largest Shia population, and deemed sufficiently neutral (despite the Saudi pact) by the Iranian Govt.

To Indian posters here - it's possible to oppose Pakistan's foreign policy from 1948-present day, but still give credit for providing an off-ramp in a war that's causing real economic harm to millions of Indians and Pakistanis alike.
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Agreed everybody knows how to play him and they are doing their thing. But here is the difference...some countries keep quiet and ignore his tantrums. Some give him a big crowd, some give him non sensical awards, ...since we want to talk about India and Pakistan. Let's look at what modi did

Gave him crowd and held hands...this also plays to modis gallery..that india is close to superpower. Not a one way fawning.

When time came modi declined to meet Trump. Categorically said Kashmir is off limits. Didn't budge on trade talks or Russian oil, rejected Trump's role in ceasefire.

What did Paksitan do...bribed and got into shady deals in crypto..fair you do what you do, handed over non existent oil and rare earth...again you do what you have to do, but Pak pm also debased himself multiple times in public glare by lavishing stupid praise as a peace Messiah and Trump literally humiliates Sharif by asking him to come to stage and praise him. Something Sharif himself alluded when he said hade hangs in shame.

I do agree that paks diplomatic position has improved but I also think it's with Trump and not with us establishment and things will revert back to normal.
 
RexRex said:
US is the self-proclaimed leader of the free world. Or more specifically it is the sole superpower of the world. It has the ability to bend nations to its will, be it with economic sanctions or through military power. Their words have weight so it's not surprising they have played a role in many mediations.

India is a peaceful country. It doesn't go and invade other countries.
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Highly debatable but also irrelevant to this discussion. You can can be in a position of control due to your foreign relations, geographic presence and other interests.
 
Civil said:
The Indian government's stance has shifted as this conflict proceeded. When it began you were definitely leaning Anti-Iran in a passive way (Plan A).

Examples:
It took two weeks for Modi to call Pezeshkian, after Ayatollah was assassinated.

As BRICS presidency holder, you have not helped unify the global south with a statement to condemn aggression.

Why had you not been purchasing any Iranian oil for seven years until this month when Bessent allowed it ?

The twist is that as the war proceeds, and as the strait closure is being sustained by Iran you realized you maybe have leaned in too heavy to plan A (phaaaaderland motherland)

So now you will mix in a little Plan B... "civilizational ties" speeches and this chabhar port garbage.
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This is where I have a slightly different opinion. India always manages multiple relationship... Russia and USA
Quad and brics
Israel and Iran.

Israel is a steadfast ally of India and India will naturally ally with Israel. But that does not mean India will be enemies with Iran. We partnered with them on chahbar.. their leaders visit India ... The relationship is not antagonistic ... It's just not to the level of India Israel. That alliance does not mean India will be enemies with Iran..

If what you said was true.. than best case Iran would have blocked our oil and gas and worst case fired missiles at India. They did neither because they would rather have a big oil customer on their side rather than have open hostilities. India and isrsels alliance is against terrorism and for cooperation.
 
HalBass9 said:
America does, Pakistan doesn't recognize Israel, nor Pakistan is dealing with Israel.
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But without Israel there is no peace... You can't rule out some mossad shenanigans on the Iranian negotiators in Islamabad.. they will know exactly where they will be and Americans will be held up elsewhere in some gupshuo with Munir and Sharif
 
RexRex said:
US is the self-proclaimed leader of the free world. Or more specifically it is the sole superpower of the world. It has the ability to bend nations to its will, be it with economic sanctions or through military power. Their words have weight so it's not surprising they have played a role in many mediations.

India is a peaceful country. It doesn't go and invade other countries.
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Listen Dilip, I think your wannabe white American act won't cut it here.

I mean your acting is on point, especially with the delivery if that last line
 
straighttalk said:
But without Israel there is no peace... You can't rule out some mossad shenanigans on the Iranian negotiators in Islamabad.. they will know exactly where they will be and Americans will be held up elsewhere in some gupshuo with Munir and Sharif
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There are some redlines countries won’t cross. I don’t think Israel or any country will attack diplomatic talks. That would bring international condemnation and turn everyone against you. Someone like TTP though can be unhinged. I don’t think even Taliban will pull any stunts.

Then again I never thought Ayotollah will be assassinated that way either.
 
Local.Dada said:
Lololol 👇


India Yearly arrivals:

  • 2020: 6.33M
  • 2021: 7.00M
  • 2022: 14.33M
  • 2023: 18.89M
  • 2024: ~20.5M (official recovery level)
  • 2025 YTD: ~5.6M (Jan–Aug)
Total (2020 → 2025 YTD):

≈ 72.6 million

Average (6 years incl. 2025 YTD):

12.1 million/year


Pakistan

Yearly arrivals:
  • 2020: ~0.75M
  • 2021: ~0.72M
  • 2022: ~0.01M (pandemic collapse)
  • 2023: ~0.61M
  • 2024: ~0.7M (estimated)
  • 2025 YTD: ~0.3M (estimated trend)

Total (2020 → 2025 YTD):

≈ 3.09 million

Average (6 years incl. 2025 YTD):


≈ 0.52 million/year 🤣🤣🤣


Is chooran ke liye kahaan se leke aate ho bhai itna confidence 😂

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Honestly these numbers are ballooned because they consider Indian diaspora in that list . Our country is pathetic in terms of infrastructure. Hospitality, cost , and safety specially for women... We have huge potential but unless we develop our tourism sector and have basic infrastructure... We will lag behind... We need to look at Vietnam to understand the differences especially related to cleanliness pollution and facilities.. forget about cost and safety. It is shameful honestly and we shouldn't compare with a illiberal jehadi and bankrupt lawless country like Pakistan..
 
Local.Dada said:
There are some redlines countries won’t cross. I don’t think Israel or any country will attack diplomatic talks. That would bring international condemnation and turn everyone against you. Someone like TTP though can be unhinged. I don’t think even Taliban will pull any stunts.

Then again I never thought Ayotollah will be assassinated that way either.
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I agree I was saying it half heatedly but I think nothing is off limits to Israel but probably a bridge too far for them especially with us involved directly
 
straighttalk said:
Honestly these numbers are ballooned because they consider Indian diaspora in that list . Our country is pathetic in terms of infrastructure. Hospitality, cost , and safety specially for women... We have huge potential but unless we develop our tourism sector and have basic infrastructure... We will lag behind... We need to look at Vietnam to understand the differences especially related to cleanliness pollution and facilities.. forget about cost and safety. It is shameful honestly and we shouldn't compare with a illiberal jehadi and bankrupt lawless country like Pakistan..
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I agree we need to improve a lot in the tourist infrastructure area but then if you include the expat argument that applies to Pak as well which further bumps down the tourist numbers lol. I was merely telling that guy Pak is not a tourist hub as he was thinking. However India does have enough tourist spots that attract a lot of traction despite the mismanagement . In fact there used to be more white people than Hindus from other parts of India in Varnasi in the past. It has a long way to go but has come a long way under Yogi Adityanath for sure.👍
 
Local.Dada said:
I agree we need to improve a lot in the tourist infrastructure area but then if you include the expat argument that applies to Pak as well which further bumps down the tourist numbers lol. I was merely telling that guy Pak is not a tourist hub as he was thinking. However India does have enough tourist spots that attract a lot of traction despite the mismanagement . In fact there used to be more white people than Hindus from other parts of India in Varnasi in the past. It has a long way to go but has come a long way under Yogi Adityanath for sure.👍
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Fair .. comparing India with Pakistan is a joke but we should strive to uplift ourselves against better countries
 

'Peace Should Be Celebrated': S Tharoor Exclusive On Pak Role In Ceasefire​


Pakistan is Iran's neighbour and has its skin in the game, Shashi Tharoor told NDTV​


New Delhi:
India should celebrate Pakistan's mediation that led to a US-Iran ceasefire because we want peace too, senior Congress leader Shashi Tharoor told NDTV's Vasudha Venugopal in an exclusive interview today. He also described India's response as "mature" and "sensible".

Asked if Islamabad's role in mediating the truce should make New Delhi apprehensive, he replied, "I don't see why, because honestly, not everything is zero-sum. If Pakistan were being applauded for sending terrorists to India, then it would be a zero-sum game. But when what the Pakistanis are doing is working for a peace that we also want, I think we should actually be celebrating."

"In fact, the government of India's statement welcomed the peace, and that's something that I think is right and mature and sensible because we have to navigate these developments with a combination of strategic restraint, a sense of regional responsibility, and a renewed commitment, don't forget our role as the voice of the global South," Tharoor said.

The Congress leader, a career diplomat, referred to Pakistan Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif's gaffe on X, which led to claims that his social media post was actually drafted in Washington DC. "... Maybe the US was merely using Pakistan to give the ceasefire a neutral third-party face, allowing both the US and Iran to de-escalate without appearing to back down directly to one another," he said.

"In other words, Pakistan might be a diplomatic fig leaf for the Americans rather than the real initiator of the peace, so we don't have to immediately sit back and think that Pakistan has pulled off some sort of master stroke. But still, the fact that Pakistan is there doing this in Islamabad has to be respected, and I think that we've all seen the special relationship between President Trump and his 'favourite Field Marshal' Asim Munir," he said.

"There is also the fact that Pakistan is a neighbour of Iran. They have a 900-km shared border, which means that if there were regional wars, the spillover could have been to their country in terms of refugee surges... Pakistan has what you might call skin in the game. And therefore, I think it's understandable that Pakistan has a particular interest in trying to bring this to a halt," Tharoor said.

The Congress MP, who heads the parliamentary standing committee on external affairs, said many global tectonic plates are shifting. "I don't think that we can lightly sit back and not pay attention, but that doesn't mean we'd have to see this in zero-sum game terms. It is not in any case a defeat for us because they have some unique advantages that nobody else has. Let them work on that. But I think we should watch as an interested neighbour, not as a critic or as a resentful country, because we have no interest in rooting for the failure of a peace process like this. What we want is regional security, and if a de-escalation happens in the Iran war, that will mean a stabilised energy market and the protection of Indian interests. Why should we disparage it?" he said.

Tharoor said India cannot afford to remain passive indefinitely "when fires are burning in our neighbourhood". "There is a kind of vacuum in the global order that the Americans used to uphold as the 'liberal international rules-based order'. Now the only rule appears to be that there are no rules at all, and there's nothing very much liberal about it and it doesn't seem very international," he said.

India, he said, needs to be a credible voice to help build the architecture of a new emerging order in the region and in the world. "It's not just about survival, it's about showing some diplomatic initiative for the sake of our own growth, for the stability of our own region, and maybe for the moral conscience of the world too. We can't afford the world to crumble," he said.

Tharoor said a "law of the jungle" is not in anyone's interest. "...that would make us all victims or at the mercy of very powerful superpowers and no one wants to be in that position. I think that we will now have to really emerge after this process as a voice of the global South, standing up for a world order, maybe not the one that's just collapsing, but something that will replace it in a way that protects all our interests," Tharoor said.

A four-time MP from Thiruvanathapuram, Tharoor has been at the forefront of the Congress campaign for the Kerala Assembly polls. The southern state voted in a single phase today.

Asked if the Congress-led United Democratic Front would have performed better if it had a Chief Minister face, he replied, "But we could also have done better if we had more time. Frankly, the Election Commission wasn't very generous in asking us to vote on the 9th of April when constitutionally, the new assembly only needs to sit on the 23rd of May. We could have easily been given a couple of weeks more or even three weeks more for a meaningful campaign. But be that as it may, I think we have tried to get our message across. The message is one of change, and the message quite simply is that the people of Kerala need to have a better, more responsive, more effective government, and we in the UDF hope to provide it," he said.



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straighttalk said:
This is where I have a slightly different opinion. India always manages multiple relationship... Russia and USA
Quad and brics
Israel and Iran.

Israel is a steadfast ally of India and India will naturally ally with Israel. But that does not mean India will be enemies with Iran. We partnered with them on chahbar.. their leaders visit India ... The relationship is not antagonistic ... It's just not to the level of India Israel. That alliance does not mean India will be enemies with Iran..

If what you said was true.. than best case Iran would have blocked our oil and gas and worst case fired missiles at India. They did neither because they would rather have a big oil customer on their side rather than have open hostilities. India and isrsels alliance is against terrorism and for cooperation
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Iran didn't block oil and gas because they will profit and use this money. They didn't fire missiles because there is no need to and no point when you have economic levers.

RE: my point on the BRICS presidency. The days of managing multiple relationships for you will be damaged by yhis..this conflict has firmly placed India in US/Israel camp for now.

Iran doing business with India will not be a good enough litmus test that you provided. You do business with China as well and there is no love lost.
 
Local.Dada said:
That’s also because India has 1.4 billion people and utilites like oil, gas etc are daily needs.

On top of that a functioning democracy and currently there are some crucial state elections happening which are a huge logistical nightmare.

So yeah balancing economy and democratic process takes precedence over some conflict which doesn’t concern us.

We are not a vella country with 0 prospects to waste time with such a huge security and logistical protocol hosting such sensitive parties on board. We can’t afford to shut down for any random thing and pause life as it goes on unless it’s an absolute emergency. As I said above good if this improves your leadership’s image, what this will do for the people needs to be seen.
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More than anything else, this post reads like you are trying to convince yourself. That’s cool. Dil ko tassalli do. Maybe share this with those Indian media outlets as well who have been kulbulaying for a few days now.

Cheers!
 
KB said:
And in longer historical perspective, Pakistan has had relative success in striking a delicate balance between Saudi Arabia and Iran. In fact in 2019 I wrote a post on this: https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...nder-imran-khans-regime.283252/#post-10217238

Once Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto said to Nixon and Kissinger:

“In the Persian Gulf, Pakistan has very good relations with the Emirate states. Pakistan also has good relations with the Arab states, even with the new messiah [Gaddafi] in Libya...Relations with Iran are good. It is something of a feat to have good relations with both Iran and with the Arab states. But we do have good relations with Iran - the best of relations."
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Pakistan has a knack for showing up in moments when bigger powers can’t, or won’t, talk to each other directly. Whether it was helping open the door between the US and China decades ago or playing a part in easing communication between the US and Iran now, it tends to find itself in that in between space where conversations quietly begin.

That said, it’s less about Pakistan being the only one capable, and more about being in the right place, with the right relationships, at the right time, helping start the conversation, even if it doesn’t get to decide how it ends.
 
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Stewie said:
More than anything else, this post reads like you are trying to convince yourself. That’s cool. Dil ko tassalli do. Maybe share this with those Indian media outlets as well who have been kulbulaying for a few days now.

Cheers!
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Yeah, great, as I said hope at least this one lasts a little longer for ye 😂 we saw a lot of these “ownages” over the years.

Cheeers as well hehehe
 
Local.Dada said:
Which one post 1971 or pre-1971?
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It’s 2026.

Even Bangladeshi don’t think about it as much as y’all do.

Probably the same Jets escorting Iranian delegation that made Modi cry on national tv - “Pakistan ny hum py hi attack kardi”.
 
HalBass9 said:
It’s 2026.

Even Bangladeshi don’t think about it as much as y’all do.

Probably the same Jets escorting Iranian delegation that made Modi cry on national tv - “Pakistan ny hum py hi attack kardi”.
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Mate your country has higher gas prices in South Asia than Bangladesh and Srilanka leave alone India.

Your ex-PM is in a solitary cell and no democracy.

Your economy is non-existent.

Great, you have amazing fighter pilots but leave alone jets,those 50CC motorbikes won’t drive themselves, so pipe down.
 
Local.Dada said:
Mate your country has higher gas prices in South Asia than Bangladesh and Srilanka leave alone India.

Your ex-PM is in a solitary cell and no democracy.

Your economy is non-existent.

Great, you have amazing fighter pilots but leave alone jets,those 50CC motorbikes won’t drive themselves, so pipe down.
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And?
 
Local.Dada said:
So take the high road and focus on topic on hand, don’t need your backside triggered about everything and have the same talking points every thread about India and Modi.

Good luck ❤️
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I’m a free individual, I don’t claim the so call chosen people to be my Phaadarland.

If your feelings are hurt, go back to Godi Media.

Thanks.
 
HalBass9 said:
I’m a free individual, I don’t claim the so call chosen people to be my Phaadarland.

If your feelings are hurt, go back to Godi Media.

Thanks.
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Lol, oh boi, again the same bawasir and gibberish . Just when I want to let it go. You really are a rtrd mate.

Your welcome.
 
HalBass9 said:
It’s 2026.

Even Bangladeshi don’t think about it as much as y’all do.

Probably the same Jets escorting Iranian delegation that made Modi cry on national tv - “Pakistan ny hum py hi attack kardi”.
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It was “hamlaaaa” not attack. He probably doesn’t have that much of a vocabulary.
 
As per usual the resident bottom dwellers (indians) are infesting every corner of the internet with their obsessions.

Meanwhile Khawaja Asif just proved Pakistan is not a neutral party 😄. Nobody elected these guys but at least they’re trying.
 
If Indians were to actually stop listening to Godi media then they wouldn’t be making fool out of themselves.

 
Inds are seething and blokes like @Local.Dada making long useless posts is a proof that SS and FM have hit gold. Inds have no friends. US doesn't care about them, China doesnt care about them, issues with Nepal SL BD and us. I would be ashamed if our foreign policy was that bad.
 
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