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kohli is in a beast mode and looks invincible and no plan seems to work against him.but hey it just takes one good delivery to get a batsman out. We all know a good swinging delivery in the right area at the right pace will get rid of any batsman but this is bangladesh where the ball doesnt swing and pakistan dont have any great tear away bowler to trouble the batsmen by sheer pace.
now provided that there is no swing and seam on offer, pakistan bowlers need to come up with a plan , a very good one at that , to send kohli back to the pavillion.
So Please suggest ways which you think would work to get rid of him on these dead tracks. This excludes praying to God.
 
Madplayer said:
kohli is in a beast mode and looks invincible and no plan seems to work against him.but hey it just takes one good delivery to get a batsman out. We all know a good swinging delivery in the right area at the right pace will get rid of any batsman but this is bangladesh where the ball doesnt swing and pakistan dont have any great tear away bowler to trouble the batsmen by sheer pace.
now provided that there is no swing and seam on offer, pakistan bowlers need to come up with a plan , a very good one at that , to send kohli back to the pavillion.
So Please suggest ways which you think would work to get rid of him on these dead tracks. This excludes praying to God.
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The quicks won't be able to do anything against him.
your only hope is a magic delivery from :ajmal to get rid of :kohli
 
There is no plan. i guess keep trying the bowl bouncer and then bowl yorker plan. Unless it really really cloudy i dont see us winning this. Myabe he will have a lapse of concentration and edge it to keeper.
 
Try packing the leg side field with a couple of catchers aswell and make him flick the ball from middle and off. Can get him lbw if he misses or caught if he miscues one.

Seems a long shot though. Sunday is going to be painful for the Pakistan side I think.
 
Junaid Khan needs just needs to be able to bring the ball back into Kohli and he is a goner. Easier said than done though especially in these conditions.
 
hopefully conditions are overcast a bit of swing on offer can make contest more even.
 
Step 1: Get the openers out.

Let's think about Kohli after manage that.
 
Specially the around the wicket yorker :junaid bowls. Keep bowling em and he will give way
 
Keep the ball on the stumps, get smashed around but hope the inconsistent bounce does him in.

C'mon people, there is so much despair in Pak fans about the impending match, it's taking the fun out of it. This is not the World Cup, so chill out - Pak has a very plausible chance of winning this.
 
On these pata wickets he is very hard to bowl to but on a wicket with a bit of juice he is fair game and mortal like anyone.

His shot selection and execution is immaculate, he is one of the few batsmen in the world who can play a shot in any direction he wants and gets the result that he wants.

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HamzaSaeen said:
York him out. Very hard for any batsman to handle a good yorker.
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He just loves 'em, don't be fooled by todays dismissal. It was a tired shot, still he got the line right just missed it as he was late. Malinga has learnt it the hard way.

IMO if anything Kohli just struggles a bit with the ball moving away from off-stump. Pitch it outside off-stump in the in-between length (Between Good length and short). Australia tried it during the CB series in '12.
 
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HamzaSaeen said:
York him out. Very hard for any batsman to handle a good yorker.
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To the contrary Kohli plays yorkers very well. His record against Malinga speaks for himself.

The only weakness he has is probably just on the off stump channel early in the innings.

The other option is to frustrate him with tight bowling and induce a bad shot but easier said than done Ofcourse.

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Cricfan4eva said:
He just loves 'em, don't be fooled by todays dismissal. It was a tired shot, still he got the line right just missed it as he was late. Malinga has learnt it the hard way.

IMO if anything Kohli just struggles a bit with the ball moving away from off-stump. Pitch it outside off-stump in the in-between length (Between Good length and short). Australia tried it during the CB series in '12.
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Not fooled by today's dismissal.
A yorker can be a good tool to dismiss any batsman, whether used as a surprise or continuously
 
Block his release shot which is over or around the midwicket fielder by placing a deep midwicket along with a regular midwicket and then keep bowling good lines, hel gibe a chance.
Same for dhawan. Block his extra cover shot where he charges the fast bowler and smashes it through cover and extra cover.
 
Unleash Junaid Khan .Either that or get someone who doesn't bowl to give a few beamers that injure him .

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Boi said:
Try packing the leg side field with a couple of catchers aswell and make him flick the ball from middle and off. Can get him lbw if he misses or caught if he miscues one.

Seems a long shot though. Sunday is going to be painful for the Pakistan side I think.
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What a loser attitude.
dude we need to score and score heavy against the parosees.
got to to hit the trundlers to all part.

we can win if we target their weak link. Bowling !
 
That bowl that hamish bennett bowled was the perfect bowl and a no answer bowl to kohli. But its such a rare dand a magic elivery to bowl.
 
It's not that he is someone invincible. He is extremely calculative, focused & aware of his weakness. If a batsman with quality has the apatite to score as much as possible & put value to his wicket, it 'll be difficult to get him out, unless forced to.

How to get him out? I can't tell about the technical part of it, but can analyze some situational context. Personally, I feel more comfortable to put Kohli in batting first situation. Because of India's relatively weaker bowling, he often isn't sure about what could be a good score. MS did it every time in NZ & I would have done opposite of that on Sunday as well - if PAK wins the toss, put IND to bat first. Virat 'll be out of his comfort zone. Virat starts his innings cautiously (around 15 min) to get an idea of the pace & bounce, then he starts to build innings. Bowling first, I would have put a full attacking fielding & ask my bowlers trying to get him out, at least for 5 overs.

One of the biggest mistake is think that Virat's innings is built on stroke play. Absolutely wrong - his game is entirely based on singles. He keeps rotating strike, keep within touch & waits for the bad balls. Obviously, there are very few who can match his shot selection, minimizing the percentage shots. If a brilliant calculative mind, with all sorts of strokes in armory starts playing with a target in mind, a good way could be to get him out of comfort zone - restrict his singles, if required, put 6 men inside & force him to go for boundaries. It's the biggest mistake to take the game till 50th over against Virat & MS, 2 of the best ever calculative minds. If PAK is to defend a total (Obviously it has to be 325+, on that Dhaka wicket, IND has 3/4 players who can chase sub 300 total, Virat 'll not be required), I would plan to win or loose in 45 overs - keep attacking fielding, catching men, restrict singles & force to go for boundaries & bowl to get batmen out. If Virat survives, IND 'll win in 45 overs, but if he gets out PAK 'll win. Last thing 'll do is a calculative mind game till 50th over with Virat (& MS). Particularly, with some of the dumbest cricketers on earth (sorry for my French, but yesterdays' chase was a dumbest one, today Virat & Rahne showed how a No. 3 & 4 should chase sub 300 totals on these wickets under light against a relatively weak bowling with just 1 penetrative bowler).

Sorry for my long post.
 
Kohli's game is based on all-round attack. You give him width on off, he wont miss.. You give him width on leg side, he will pounce on the oppurtunity. Similarly, bowl too full or short of good length, he will smack you..

On these phatta wickets wickets, where the ball doesnt do anything, there are 2 options:

1. Best attack against Kohli is to frustrate him with a packed on side OR packed off side field. This may upset his run scoring and may create a chance early on..

2. As soon as Kohli walks to the middle, bring on Ajmal & Afridi with aggressive field settings. Aggressive doesn't mean that catchers all round the bat, but cut on all singles and intice him to play a lofted stroke.
 
Just bowl a few beamers and hope one hit's him on the face and he is forced to retire hurt.
 
Take a heavy offside field and bowl him a little wide outside off, seemed to work for NZ.
 
MMHS said:
It's not that he is someone invincible. He is extremely calculative, focused & aware of his weakness. If a batsman with quality has the apatite to score as much as possible & put value to his wicket, it 'll be difficult to get him out, unless forced to.

How to get him out? I can't tell about the technical part of it, but can analyze some situational context. Personally, I feel more comfortable to put Kohli in batting first situation. Because of India's relatively weaker bowling, he often isn't sure about what could be a good score. MS did it every time in NZ & I would have done opposite of that on Sunday as well - if PAK wins the toss, put IND to bat first. Virat 'll be out of his comfort zone. Virat starts his innings cautiously (around 15 min) to get an idea of the pace & bounce, then he starts to build innings. Bowling first, I would have put a full attacking fielding & ask my bowlers trying to get him out, at least for 5 overs.

One of the biggest mistake is think that Virat's innings is built on stroke play. Absolutely wrong - his game is entirely based on singles. He keeps rotating strike, keep within touch & waits for the bad balls. Obviously, there are very few who can match his shot selection, minimizing the percentage shots. If a brilliant calculative mind, with all sorts of strokes in armory starts playing with a target in mind, a good way could be to get him out of comfort zone - restrict his singles, if required, put 6 men inside & force him to go for boundaries. It's the biggest mistake to take the game till 50th over against Virat & MS, 2 of the best ever calculative minds. If PAK is to defend a total (Obviously it has to be 325+, on that Dhaka wicket, IND has 3/4 players who can chase sub 300 total, Virat 'll not be required), I would plan to win or loose in 45 overs - keep attacking fielding, catching men, restrict singles & force to go for boundaries & bowl to get batmen out. If Virat survives, IND 'll win in 45 overs, but if he gets out PAK 'll win. Last thing 'll do is a calculative mind game till 50th over with Virat (& MS). Particularly, with some of the dumbest cricketers on earth (sorry for my French, but yesterdays' chase was a dumbest one, today Virat & Rahne showed how a No. 3 & 4 should chase sub 300 totals on these wickets under light against a relatively weak bowling with just 1 penetrative bowler).

Sorry for my long post.
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no way you can get kohli out on phattas. On these pitches our bowler will look like trundlers and cannon fodder for Kohli.
 
These pitches in subcontinent are a joke. No wonder Asian teams are usually below England, Australia and South Africa when it comes to overall.
 
no way you can get kohli out on phattas. On these pitches our bowlers will look like trundlers and cannon fodder for Kohli.
 
I don't think he has any real weakness in his game, especially of these roads...
 
He played Ajmal with a lot of ease the last time in Asia cup, if I remember correctly. Our only hope is Junaid.
 
i think removing the boundary riders on the leg side (which would lure him into pulling or hooking) followed up with a good quick short delivery right at the throat might be able to make him miss time the pull or hook and he can be caught somewhere. Yorkers unless swinging like waqar are useless against kohli.
 
He's basically the 2nd greatest batsman India has ever produced. Virat virtually has no weakness. Best way to get him out is early on because he hardly will make mistakes once he occupies the crease. He's talented, hardworking, enjoys the game and a great mind. Most batsman lack 1 or more of these things. Kohli has everything to succeed with the bat. He will no doubt notch over 75 International 100s by the end of his career.
 
We pull a steyn and start reverse swinging the ball by 20th over. We just need some smart handy work in the slips. :faf
 
Junaid should take the responsibility to make a plan of getting Kohli out. Otherwise our chances are very very thin.
 
Good post from MMHS. But teams will never go for the 45 over win/lose tactic as they try to keep their options open to the end to hope for a 2-3 wkt collapse to get back into the game.

Secondly keeping his singles in check isnt a bad option. But the problem there is that captains are already squeezed to their limits by already having only 4 fielders out in the non powerplay overs that they wont dare to bring in another fielder for that tactic and risk a boundry an over situation on these flat tracks
 
On a serious note. Bring the fielders close. Yes it looks a suicide but it will stop the rotation and then bowl on third stump channel with the occasional bouncer and yorker.
 
Based on what I saw in 1st match.. Umar Gul and Ajmal look like two bowlers who an pick Virat's wicket anytime.
 
sorry but he's already written his name on this cup..cant see us getting beyond him..we may get the two openers out..but I cant see how we can get kohl unless Misbah ahs some plan..also remember people like bollywood Hafeez turn to jelly when their idol walks to the crease.!!!
 
kohli will core 11 runs against pakistan. so you people shouldn't worry about him.
 
Madplayer said:
not a jinx thread.

tried a lot of things to jinx him today . Nothing worked. It never does.
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Well there is one man on this forum whose jinx always works but i doubt he will do it against virat. WE need WEBGURU STATS. :p :p :p
 
Kohli has been dismissed 6 times cheaply against Pakistan... His scores were 16,18,9,0,6 & 7

The only worrying thing is that the 183 he scored against us was also on Dhaka wicket...
 
Hus said:
Good post from MMHS. But teams will never go for the 45 over win/lose tactic as they try to keep their options open to the end to hope for a 2-3 wkt collapse to get back into the game.

Secondly keeping his singles in check isnt a bad option. But the problem there is that captains are already squeezed to their limits by already having only 4 fielders out in the non powerplay overs that they wont dare to bring in another fielder for that tactic and risk a boundry an over situation on these flat tracks
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I watched every ball of last 9 ODI played by India. If you analyze, you 'll see McCullam did exactly that against Virat (& IND) in NZ. On those small grounds, he kept at least 6 fielders & one slip for most part of Virat's fiirst 50 runs. Either you hit or a dot ball - I am not going to let you off the hook by taking singles. Virat had an explosive 100, but got out cheaply in 3 occasions, I guess. Hardly anybody can win a cat & mouse game with Virat & I doubt how many PAK players understand the cat & mouse term in cricket context. Did you hear the latest Adidas theme - all in or no play.
 
MMHS said:
I watched every ball of last 9 ODI played by India. If you analyze, you 'll see McCullam did exactly that against Virat (& IND) in NZ. On those small grounds, he kept at least 6 fielders & one slip for most part of Virat's fiirst 50 runs. Either you hit or a dot ball - I am not going to let you off the hook by taking singles. Virat had an explosive 100, but got out cheaply in 3 occasions, I guess. Hardly anybody can win a cat & mouse game with Virat & I doubt how many PAK players understand the cat & mouse term in cricket context. Did you hear the latest Adidas theme - all in or no play.
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Dude you are on fire today.

Please don't teach teams how to get Virat out.

Indian batting will crumble without him.
 
Get a short leg in and as the bowler is running in, he'll shout...BOO!
 
cricwiz said:
Kohli has been dismissed 6 times cheaply against Pakistan... His scores were 16,18,9,0,6 & 7

The only worrying thing is that the 183 he scored against us was also on Dhaka wicket...
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what worries me more is that he has a point to prove against junaid because he probably is the only bowler in the world who has owned kohli most of the times they faced each other(forget those conditions for a moment). I am afraid a kohli onslaught can force people think that junaid is just another face in the crowd. And chances are very high that he is going to do that.
 
Keep bowling short on the middle/leg side with three catchers on the leg side - and hope that he would miscue one. Or dry up his runs with an aggressive field - he does not like to be tied up and will go for big hits, this plan can misfire badly.
 
Good inswinger by Junaid may do the trick.
Too bad he can't swing it anymore (especially not on this pitch).
 
Good inswinger by Junaid may do the trick.
Too bad he can't swing it anymore (especially not on this pitch).
 
Wouldn't be a bad idea from :junaid to move it away or at least straighten it from around the wicket, something he can do well.
 
Ahmed shehzad and him looks the same, so kidnap kohli , give hes clothes to ahmed and tell him to bat against us by running out every other batsmen and not doing anything himself and than say in the presentation ceremony that Pakistan Zindabad. :D
 
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You need movement to beat him. Preferably from the quicks. Attack is the only option, a chance cannot go to waste. Last time there was no slip and an edge went to the boundary off Ajmal and he hit a 183.
 
IndianWillow said:
Keep bowling short on the middle/leg side with three catchers on the leg side - and hope that he would miscue one. Or dry up his runs with an aggressive field - he does not like to be tied up and will go for big hits, this plan can misfire badly.
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Good idea, maan gaya yaar. You are asking bowlers within 130-140kms range to bowl short on leg side on that Mirpur concrete slab against Virat Kohli. I salute your patriotism.
 
MachoKhan said:
Ahmed shehzad and him looks the same, so kidnap kohli , give hes clothes to ahmed and tell him to bat against us by running out every other batsmen and not doing anything himself and than say in the presentation ceremony that Pakistan Zindabad. :D
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I presented this idea ages ago. Why have they not implemented it yet.
 
MachoKhan said:
Ahmed shehzad and him looks the same, so kidnap kohli , give hes clothes to ahmed and tell him to bat against us by running out every other batsmen and not doing anything himself and than say in the presentation ceremony that Pakistan Zindabad. :D
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:))) Good one. That might actually work

Do instruct shehzad to keep abusing throughout the game to avoid suspicion.
 
Keep it short, make him pull. He can play good length/full length all day long with those back foot drives
 
Gul should pack the offside field along with two wide slips and a gully and bowl a very tight offside line, nothing full and give him nothing to drive and frustrate him, on the other end ask junaid to try and bring the bowl him and push him forward to drive just like he did in india, even if he cant bring the bowl in atleast try to straighten it and just try to make him drive, he will either get bowled or caught behind
 
whatthewhat said:
Gul should pack the offside field along with two wide slips and a gully and bowl a very tight offside line, nothing full and give him nothing to drive and frustrate him, on the other end ask junaid to try and bring the bowl him and push him forward to drive just like he did in india, even if he cant bring the bowl in atleast try to straighten it and just try to make him drive, he will either get bowled or caught behind
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the ball does absolutely nothing on these pitches. Junaid was gun barrel straight in the last game and leaked a lot of runs.
 
Suggest ways/plans to get Kohli out

Junaid Khan lol. It will be an interesting battle against India ;)
 
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