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With an ever increasing bowling average of 66 from 15 tests with 20 wickets, is Lakmal, Sri Lanka's answer to Ishant Sharma- India's talisman ?
 
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Lakmal though is more accurate and can bowl yorkers at will.
 
He and Dammika Prasad are legitimately two of the worst bowlers to play tests. Ishant performs once in 10 games. Lakmal and Prasad perform a grand total of 0.00 times in 10 games.
 
Pragmatically, he is a shocking bowler, can't believe Lanka don't have anyone else.
 
Accurate bowlers don't have ER of 6 in ODI after playing 15+ Odis.

Was speaking about what I've seen. Must have been a good game that he was having. Practically every ball that he was bowling was a yorker.
 
Was speaking about what I've seen. Must have been a good game that he was having. Practically every ball that he was bowling was a yorker.

Last ODI where he got our last two wickets in consecutive deliveries.
 
With an ever increasing bowling average of 66 from 15 tests with 20 wickets, is Lakmal, Sri Lanka's answer to Ishant Sharma- India's talisman ?

Another 15 tests and he will overtake even Sami let alone competing with Ishant. If I recall Sami is averaging 50-60 after 35 tests.

Added Later: Just checked , Sami has played 36 Tests with an average of 52.74. Lakmal needs to play another 10-15 with same record then he will catch up.
 
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Will become the Bradman of fast bowling, literally. :sami

Didn't one BD fast bowler was already averaging around 80. I may be wrong but posters had pointed out earlier. May be not a full time bowler or with very few tests.
 
Didn't one BD fast bowler was already averaging around 80. I may be wrong but posters had pointed out earlier. May be not a full time bowler or with very few tests.

He will be of at least the 8 proper teams.
 
Didn't one BD fast bowler was already averaging around 80. I may be wrong but posters had pointed out earlier. May be not a full time bowler or with very few tests.

I gathered that you are probably referring to Abul Hasan.

He scored a century on his Test debut batting at #10, one of only two players to do so (the last was in 1902), but then proceeded to trundle through his following matches, acquiring the reputable bowling average of 123.66 from 5 bowling innings in Test matches.
 
I gathered that you are probably referring to Abul Hasan.

He scored a century on his Test debut batting at #10, one of only two players to do so (the last was in 1902), but then proceeded to trundle through his following matches, acquiring the reputable bowling average of 123.66 from 5 bowling innings in Test matches.

Would it be fair to say that he part time bowler and hence not appropriate for this lofty title ?
 
Would it be fair to say that he part time bowler and hence not appropriate for this lofty title ?

Number 10 is not a part time bowler in any team.

I gathered that you are probably referring to Abul Hasan.

He scored a century on his Test debut batting at #10, one of only two players to do so (the last was in 1902), but then proceeded to trundle through his following matches, acquiring the reputable bowling average of 123.66 from 5 bowling innings in Test matches.

I don't really follow any BD matches so not sure about the name but this may be the fellow. If it was only 5 innings then it doesn't count. Has to be at least 20+ tests to be counted.
 
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Would it be fair to say that he part time bowler and hence not appropriate for this lofty title ?

Although he was batting at #10, I think he can neither be termed a fast bowler or even a part-time bowler. He has the dubious honour of having a First-Class bowling average of 66.50 from 13 bowling innings and doesn't even feature in the top 50 of the wicket-takers list of the National Cricket League (Bangladesh). To me, the decision to select him reeks of suspicion and it appears he may have gained a place within the team on contacts/nepotism rather than actual performances.
 
Number 10 is not a part time bowler in any team.



I don't really follow any BD matches so not sure about the name but this may be the fellow. If it was only 5 innings then it doesn't count. Has to be at least 20+ tests to be counted.

I mistakenly overlooked that he was a no 10 bat, away if he only bowed in 5 innings than it doesn't really count.
 
Although he was batting at #10, I think he can neither be termed a fast bowler or even a part-time bowler. He has the dubious honour of having a First-Class bowling average of 66.50 from 13 bowling innings and doesn't even feature in the top 50 of the wicket-takers list of the National Cricket League (Bangladesh). To me, the decision to select him reeks of suspicion and it appears he may have gained a place within the team on contacts/nepotism rather than actual performances.

This is indeed a surprising revelation, however due to his truncated sample size, his record bears no semblance to the thread, hence shouldn't be discussed further.
 
With his atypical performance today (1-84 off 27 overs), Lakmal's average has inched up further to 66.6.
 
Something to do with Prefix and Suffix.
We had the root word "Akmal", we put an "s" at the end, then we removed the "s" and added an "L".. but it didnt make a difference. The results were in the same category.
 
Sri Lanka is slowly reaching to the standards set by India in their bowling line up :14:
 
Nothing bowler.

Has bowled a few jaffas in this match though :waqar
 
:))
Ian Pont has coached some BD fast bowlers.
Check their averages. :P

Or maybe Ian Pont's training camp where he coached Atul Sharma.

Yeah and I worked with Dale Steyn, Shoaib Akthar, Darren Gough, Andy Bichel, Andre Nel, Alex Tudor, Andre Adams, etc etc etc etc... so what's your point kungfu?

At presumably the very same training camp eh Haroon?

Playground giggling is getting kinda boring children. Grow up.
 
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TBH Bangladesh are pathetic in all facets of the game. :hafeez

I think if you are going to be generic at least give credit where it is due. I am not here to defend BD cricket in anyway. But Shakib has been ranked world number one for much of the time recently. And this in a team not performing well since Test Status.

And they should have won the Asia Cup against Pakistan last time round. So just be careful if you are labelling an entire country as 'pathetic' when that simply isn't true. They are disorganised, certainly and suffer from lack of funding, structure and good management.


ICC Player Rankings across all three formats:

TEST ALLROUNDERS

1 R. Ashwin IND 388
2 Shakib Al Hasan BAN 362
3 J.H. Kallis SA 353

ODI ALLROUNDERS

1 Mohammad Hafeez PAK 411
2 Shakib Al Hasan BAN 376
3 S.R. Watson AUS 370

T20 ALLROUNDERS

1 S.R. Watson AUS 446
2 Mohammad Hafeez PAK 427
3 Yuvraj Singh IND 363
4 Shakib Al Hasan BAN 337
 
I think if you are going to be generic at least give credit where it is due. I am not here to defend BD cricket in anyway. But Shakib has been ranked world number one for much of the time recently. And this in a team not performing well since Test Status.

And they should have won the Asia Cup against Pakistan last time round. So just be careful if you are labelling an entire country as 'pathetic' when that simply isn't true. They are disorganised, certainly and suffer from lack of funding, structure and good management.


ICC Player Rankings across all three formats:

TEST ALLROUNDERS

1 R. Ashwin IND 388
2 Shakib Al Hasan BAN 362
3 J.H. Kallis SA 353

ODI ALLROUNDERS

1 Mohammad Hafeez PAK 411
2 Shakib Al Hasan BAN 376
3 S.R. Watson AUS 370

T20 ALLROUNDERS

1 S.R. Watson AUS 446
2 Mohammad Hafeez PAK 427
3 Yuvraj Singh IND 363
4 Shakib Al Hasan BAN 337


I think you'd find that the BCB are quite well endowed in funding and by labeling Bangladesh as pathetic in all facets of the game-I don't mean that the country itself is pathetic, that would be foolish to assume, but I think it is an unanimous knowledge that Bangladesh have been quite poor in cricket particularly test cricket.

As for the the ICC rankings, I think it a sham that someone like Shakib who hardly gets to face any decent test side is ranked higher than Jacques Kallis, the rankings aren't a particularly accurate indicator of players, moreover one player, albeit a decent player doesn't stop a side from being minnows.
 
I think you'd find that the BCB are quite well endowed in funding and by labeling Bangladesh as pathetic in all facets of the game-I don't mean that the country itself is pathetic, that would be foolish to assume, but I think it is an unanimous knowledge that Bangladesh have been quite poor in cricket particularly test cricket.

As for the the ICC rankings, I think it a sham that someone like Shakib who hardly gets to face any decent test side is ranked higher than Jacques Kallis, the rankings aren't a particularly accurate indicator of players, moreover one player, albeit a decent player doesn't stop a side from being minnows.

Cricket suffers from lack of funding, not the board. They do not spend it as they should on things that matter. BD has very talented kids and youngsters coming through but they suffer from not getting the right help and support in coaching.

Apart from Sakib, there is Sohag Gazi, Mushfiqur Rahim (wkt) and Monimul Haq, who are potentially excellent International players.

As you say BD suffers from lack of exposure which is why their players do not improve as they should. That is not the players fault. Financial rewards are poor, which is why I said they suffer from lack of funds.

Pakistan used to be a very poor side in the 1970's. I recall England making them share summers with NZ, for tours to England as both NZ and Pak were deemed too weak. BD is a better side than those sides, but not yet up to standard for teams to want to play.

Pakistan was desperate for the 'pathetic' BD to tour recently.

It's hard to judge a place if you haven't spent any time there. Given the right structure and support, I KNOW Bangladesh would be challenging WI and NZ on a regular basis.. and neither of those teams are 'pathetic' or 'minnows'
 
Cricket suffers from lack of funding, not the board. They do not spend it as they should on things that matter. BD has very talented kids and youngsters coming through but they suffer from not getting the right help and support in coaching.

Apart from Sakib, there is Sohag Gazi, Mushfiqur Rahim (wkt) and Monimul Haq, who are potentially excellent International players.

As you say BD suffers from lack of exposure which is why their players do not improve as they should. That is not the players fault. Financial rewards are poor, which is why I said they suffer from lack of funds.

Pakistan used to be a very poor side in the 1970's. I recall England making them share summers with NZ, for tours to England as both NZ and Pak were deemed too weak. BD is a better side than those sides, but not yet up to standard for teams to want to play.

Pakistan was desperate for the 'pathetic' BD to tour recently.

It's hard to judge a place if you haven't spent any time there. Given the right structure and support, I KNOW Bangladesh would be challenging WI and NZ on a regular basis.. and neither of those teams are 'pathetic' or 'minnows'

You say that Pakistan was poor in the 70s, but yet you fail to compare their first few years; Pakistan managed to win against England, Australia, West Indies and India in their first decade, Bangladesh will never be able to replicate that success against the caliber of those sides ever, in fact haven't done much of note since their entry to test cricket, so it's delusional to compare a top cricketing country such as Pakistan with Bangladesh, a minnow after 15 years in the game.

Til date, Bangladesh haven't showed any sign of quality that suggests they are capable of holding their own in cricket.
 
Another 15 tests and he will overtake even Sami let alone competing with Ishant. If I recall Sami is averaging 50-60 after 35 tests.

Added Later: Just checked , Sami has played 36 Tests with an average of 52.74. Lakmal needs to play another 10-15 with same record then he will catch up.

Angelo Mathews 33 tests, 36 wickets @ 73.45.
 
Let me know when this Lakmal bloke bullies any world #1 batsman or bowls 154kph.
 
You say that Pakistan was poor in the 70s, but yet you fail to compare their first few years; Pakistan managed to win against England, Australia, West Indies and India in their first decade, Bangladesh will never be able to replicate that success against the caliber of those sides ever, in fact haven't done much of note since their entry to test cricket, so it's delusional to compare a top cricketing country such as Pakistan with Bangladesh, a minnow after 15 years in the game.

Til date, Bangladesh haven't showed any sign of quality that suggests they are capable of holding their own in cricket.

In ODIs we are definitely progressing steadily.

About tests. Its true that we have not been great in that format but what more do you expect when we playe 8 tests in 2 years most of which are played on flat tracks. From my POV we are progressing and you can only say that if you actually watch our matches. Our batting and fielding has improved, but bowling has gone no-where. And mind you we are not losing tests by mammoth margins, neither have we lost by an innings for some-time.
 
Cricket suffers from lack of funding, not the board. They do not spend it as they should on things that matter. BD has very talented kids and youngsters coming through but they suffer from not getting the right help and support in coaching.

Apart from Sakib, there is Sohag Gazi, Mushfiqur Rahim (wkt) and Monimul Haq, who are potentially excellent International players.

As you say BD suffers from lack of exposure which is why their players do not improve as they should. That is not the players fault. Financial rewards are poor, which is why I said they suffer from lack of funds.

Pakistan used to be a very poor side in the 1970's. I recall England making them share summers with NZ, for tours to England as both NZ and Pak were deemed too weak. BD is a better side than those sides, but not yet up to standard for teams to want to play.

Pakistan was desperate for the 'pathetic' BD to tour recently.

It's hard to judge a place if you haven't spent any time there. Given the right structure and support, I KNOW Bangladesh would be challenging WI and NZ on a regular basis.. and neither of those teams are 'pathetic' or 'minnows'

Excellent post. Post of the week in my view.
 
I think you'd find that the BCB are quite well endowed in funding and by labeling Bangladesh as pathetic in all facets of the game-I don't mean that the country itself is pathetic, that would be foolish to assume, but I think it is an unanimous knowledge that Bangladesh have been quite poor in cricket particularly test cricket.

As for the the ICC rankings, I think it a sham that someone like Shakib who hardly gets to face any decent test side is ranked higher than Jacques Kallis, the rankings aren't a particularly accurate indicator of players, moreover one player, albeit a decent player doesn't stop a side from being minnows.


Trying so hard to downgrade Bangladesh Cricket but fail lol

Shakib can only perform with teams he's given. If you got a problem then tell ICC that. Of course he's nowhere near Kallis in terms of ability but the purpose of players rankings is to show who has been the best performers in the last 2-3 years not a players entire career.

Even in the small games he has played against England, South Africa etc though he hasn't performed with the bat, he has 3 five wicket hauls against them all in their grounds. So give credit where its due.

Yes Bangladesh are clearly a poor test team but they have shown improvement across all forms in Cricket since 2012 and that's what matters for now.

Why did Pakistan only beat a 'pathetic' team like Bangladesh by small margins of 21 and especially 2 runs to them? struggling? :asif despite the massive amounts of experience you have.
 
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Trying so hard to downgrade Bangladesh Cricket but fail lol

Shakib can only perform with teams he's given. If you got a problem then tell ICC that. Of course he's nowhere near Kallis in terms of ability but the purpose of players rankings is to show who has been the best performers in the last 2-3 years not a players entire career.

Even in the small games he has played against England, South Africa etc though he hasn't performed with the bat, he has 3 five wicket hauls against them all in their grounds. So give credit where its due.

Yes Bangladesh are clearly a poor test team but they have shown improvement across all forms in Cricket since 2012 and that's what matters for now.

Why did Pakistan only beat a 'pathetic' team like Bangladesh by small margins of 21 and especially 2 runs to them? struggling? :asif despite the massive amounts of experience you have.

Don't need to downgrade Bangladesh, they are already in the lowest echelons of elite cricket, moreover the the small margin victories you talk of are ODIs.
 
Don't need to downgrade Bangladesh, they are already in the lowest echelons of elite cricket, moreover the the small margin victories you talk of are ODIs.

lol owned its okay just chill :asif

Still our players are better than YOU and that's what matters. All talk you are.
 
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Ironic considering I successfully countered his points.

Genuinely can't believe I'm stooping down to your levels, anyway, continue trolling, that's all your primary purpose on this forum.
 
Ironic considering I successfully countered his points.

Genuinely can't believe I'm stooping down to your levels, anyway, continue trolling, that's all your primary purpose on this forum.

lol yeah by you. Let me make 1 thing clear. He worked for Bangladesh Cricket and you haven't so I don't understand how you 'successfully' countered his points but I agree if it makes you feel better :cheema

Please don't say things which you have no knowledge off otherwise you just make a fool of yourself like you did on here lol
 
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lol yeah by you. Let me make 1 thing clear. He worked for Bangladesh Cricket and you haven't so I don't understand how you 'successfully' countered his points but I agree if it makes you feel better :cheema

Please don't say things which you have no knowledge off otherwise you just make a fool of yourself like you did on here lol

You don't need to work or live in the country to realize that they aren't good in test cricket.

BTW, read my posts before making unnecessary, inaccurate and embarrassing claims.
 
You don't need to work or live in the country to realize that they aren't good in test cricket.

BTW, read my posts before making unnecessary, inaccurate and embarrassing claims.

All nonsense from you no offence :))
 
Really poor stat from him clearly Ishant is better than him but by just :nehra
 
Coming from the person that thinks you require knowledge to consider Bangladesh a minnow.

Yes we're bad worse than Faroe Islands if it satisfies you :))

200 countries and number 10 is a minnow just shows the poor state of Cricket I guess.
 
ZOMG Ian Pont posted on a thread. Sorry, I am trying to take it in
 
Not 100% sure, but I think he is a top domestic performer in India.

But there are players who performed heavily in domestic circuit and when comes in International level they failed miserably.

You know what I mean? :malik
 
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But there are players who performed heavily in domestic circuit and when comes in International level they failed miserably.

You know what I mean? :malik

Yes, but I also think there is a reason why they keep on selecting Ishant, probably a dearth of talent in medium pace bowling.
 
In ODIs we are definitely progressing steadily.

About tests. Its true that we have not been great in that format but what more do you expect when we playe 8 tests in 2 years most of which are played on flat tracks. From my POV we are progressing and you can only say that if you actually watch our matches. Our batting and fielding has improved, but bowling has gone no-where. And mind you we are not losing tests by mammoth margins, neither have we lost by an innings for some-time.

Very true.
Batsman have improved by leaps and bounds, so Bangaldesh are a somewhat capable batting unit.
Fielding has also improved.
Spinners are decent too. You just need a good fast bowler. Mortaza is decent in LOIs, but hasn't done much in Tests.
Bangladesh are in desperate need of a good fast bowler.
 
Yes, but I also think there is a reason why they keep on selecting Ishant, probably a dearth of talent in medium pace bowling.

I also agree with this. Fast bowling is always a issue for India. It's difficult to replace him at the moment.

May be the time yet not come so Indian fans has to be patient.
 
I also agree with this. Fast bowling is always a issue for India. It's difficult to replace him at the moment.

May be the time yet not come so Indian fans has to be patient.

Maybe it's the time of resurrection for Atul Sharma.
 
You say that Pakistan was poor in the 70s, but yet you fail to compare their first few years; Pakistan managed to win against England, Australia, West Indies and India in their first decade, Bangladesh will never be able to replicate that success against the caliber of those sides ever, in fact haven't done much of note since their entry to test cricket, so it's delusional to compare a top cricketing country such as Pakistan with Bangladesh, a minnow after 15 years in the game.

Til date, Bangladesh haven't showed any sign of quality that suggests they are capable of holding their own in cricket.
True we have made many many legends bangla have yet to make even one
 
CHAMINDA VAAS ON SRI LANKAN FASTBOWLERS

Sri Lanka's fast bowling coach Chaminda Vaas has criticised the emerging group of seamers in the country's pace academy for being "soft" and wanting in drive for self-improvement.

Having begun his coaching term in February, Vaas, said the bowlers coming through had a long way to go before they can compete at an international standard.

"They don't know how to plan their future," Vaas said of Sri Lanka's young bowlers. "Those days when we bowled at the nets we learned something from each net session. We asked the batsman if there was anything wrong with our bowling or if we had made any mistakes, in order to improve our skills.

"But nowadays fast bowlers don't ask such questions. Either they are afraid to ask, or they are soft or their thinking pattern is different. So we have to keep telling them all the time what to do. It will take a long time for them to learn, but the only way to do it is by pushing them because they are not pushing themselves on their own."

Vaas had also worked with the New Zealand fast bowling unit on their tour of Sri Lanka last year, and suggested foreign bowlers had a greater aptitude for fast bowling strategy than Sri Lanka's young bowlers.

"The problem is they don't want learn," he said. "Only a few of them are keen others don't even want to watch a match to at least analyse their performance what their mistakes are. They've got to think like professionals. Bowlers from other countries know exactly what to do. You don't have to push them. That's what we have to learn from them and instill in our fast bowlers."

Sri Lanka's notoriously unsporting surfaces have been the bane of fast bowlers for years, but Vaas took a dim view of blaming pitches for seam bowlers' poor returns in domestic matches, and instead prescribed consistency in line and length, and self-confidence as a route to success.

"What I have advised these youngsters is being fast bowlers they should be prepared to bowl on any kind of surface. Whether it's a wicket suiting spin or batting, they have to bend their backs and bowl. At all the sessions I've been talking to them and training their mind as well as their fitness. The guys are a bit soft - some don't have the fast bowler's killer instinct."

However, Vaas identified Vishwa Fernando, Kanishka Alvitigala, Kasun Rajitha and Rukmal Fernando as a "few guys who have been identified as future fast bowlers" among the group currently training at the academy.

"We have about 10 good fast bowlers from a squad of 20," he said. It will take at least another three years for them to get into the side."


http://www.espncricinfo.com/srilanka/content/story/677029.html
 
CHAMINDA VAAS ON SRI LANKAN FASTBOWLERS

Sri Lanka's fast bowling coach Chaminda Vaas has criticised the emerging group of seamers in the country's pace academy for being "soft" and wanting in drive for self-improvement.

Having begun his coaching term in February, Vaas, said the bowlers coming through had a long way to go before they can compete at an international standard.

"They don't know how to plan their future," Vaas said of Sri Lanka's young bowlers. "Those days when we bowled at the nets we learned something from each net session. We asked the batsman if there was anything wrong with our bowling or if we had made any mistakes, in order to improve our skills.

"But nowadays fast bowlers don't ask such questions. Either they are afraid to ask, or they are soft or their thinking pattern is different. So we have to keep telling them all the time what to do. It will take a long time for them to learn, but the only way to do it is by pushing them because they are not pushing themselves on their own."

Vaas had also worked with the New Zealand fast bowling unit on their tour of Sri Lanka last year, and suggested foreign bowlers had a greater aptitude for fast bowling strategy than Sri Lanka's young bowlers.

"The problem is they don't want learn," he said. "Only a few of them are keen others don't even want to watch a match to at least analyse their performance what their mistakes are. They've got to think like professionals. Bowlers from other countries know exactly what to do. You don't have to push them. That's what we have to learn from them and instill in our fast bowlers."

Sri Lanka's notoriously unsporting surfaces have been the bane of fast bowlers for years, but Vaas took a dim view of blaming pitches for seam bowlers' poor returns in domestic matches, and instead prescribed consistency in line and length, and self-confidence as a route to success.

"What I have advised these youngsters is being fast bowlers they should be prepared to bowl on any kind of surface. Whether it's a wicket suiting spin or batting, they have to bend their backs and bowl. At all the sessions I've been talking to them and training their mind as well as their fitness. The guys are a bit soft - some don't have the fast bowler's killer instinct."

However, Vaas identified Vishwa Fernando, Kanishka Alvitigala, Kasun Rajitha and Rukmal Fernando as a "few guys who have been identified as future fast bowlers" among the group currently training at the academy.

"We have about 10 good fast bowlers from a squad of 20," he said. It will take at least another three years for them to get into the side."


http://www.espncricinfo.com/srilanka/content/story/677029.html


This dude is in the Test squad
 
Such a shame that he compared Pakistan with Bangladesh.

Plus pakistan found Imran and miandad in the 70s. Bangla will be lucky to even find some one good enough to kiss Imrans shoes . I think Pont is trying to suck up to his previous co-workers a bit with his comments
 
Plus pakistan found Imran and miandad in the 70s. Bangla will be lucky to even find some one good enough to kiss Imrans shoes . I think Pont is trying to suck up to his previous co-workers a bit with his comments

I would afford him some respect, after all you need to give it to receive it, but yes I agree that he shouldn't have compared the quality of the 70s Pakistan side and today's Bangladesh team, although his word on both teams' financial strictures is comparable and significantly accurate.
 
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