Surprise Surprise : India backs Macron after attacks by Pakistan, Turkey

[MenInG]

India on Thursday came out strongly in support of French President Emmanuel Macron’s stance on radical Islam in the wake of the beheading of a teacher in Paris and deplored personal attacks on him by countries such as Turkey and Pakistan.

New Delhi’s opposition to criticism of Macron came against the backdrop of foreign secretary Harsh Shringla beginning a two-day visit to France and another terror attack in the French city of Nice, where a knife-wielding man killed three people in a church.

Macron has pledged to crack down on radical Islam in France after the October 16 beheading of Samuel Paty, a professor who used controversial caricatures of Prophet Mohammed from the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo in a class on freedom of expression. Paty’s killing by a suspected terrorist triggered a heated debate on secularism and Islamophobia in France.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said last week that Macron needs “some sort of mental treatment” for his attitude towards Muslims, while Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan accused the French president of encouraging Islamophobia.

Asked about such criticism of Macron at the external affairs ministry’s weekly news briefing, spokesperson Anurag Srivastava said without naming any countries: “We have strongly deplored the personal attacks in unacceptable language on President Emmanuel Macron and we have also condemned the brutal terrorist attack that took the life of a French teacher.”

He added, “We believe there is no justification for terrorism for any reason or under any circumstance.”

The external affairs ministry also said in a statement that the attacks on Macron violate the “most basic standards of international discourse”. It added that Paty’s murder has “shocked the world”.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi condemned recent terror attacks in France, including the one in Nice, in a tweet, saying: “Our deepest and heartfelt condolences to the families of the victims and the people of France. India stands with France in the fight against terrorism.”

Shringla tweeted that he had reiterated the “PM’s message to our #French interlocutors and at the public event at the Institute of French International Relations (IFFRI)”.

French ambassador Emmanuel Lenain responded to the external affairs ministry’s expression of support by tweeting: “Thank you @MEAIndia. France and India can always count on each other in the fight against terrorism.”

Amid protests in some Muslim countries over Macron’s defence of the publication of the caricatures of Prophet Mohammed, there was support for the French president from European states such as the UK. Foreign secretary Dominic Raab said the UK stands with France “in sorrow, shock and solidarity at the horrifying events in Nice” and he offered “every support to the French people in pursuing those responsible for this appalling attack”.

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson tweeted: “I am appalled to hear the news from Nice...of a barbaric attack at the Notre-Dame Basilica. Our thoughts are with the victims and their families, and the UK stands steadfastly with France against terror and intolerance.”

France has emerged as one of India’s strongest allies in Europe and has taken a strong position on security challenges facing the country, especially at the UN Security Council. It has consistently criticised cross-border terrorism targeting India and was also one of the first countries to offer support amid the border standoff with China and the killing of 20 Indian soldiers in a clash in June.

French defence minister Florence Parly expressed “deep solidarity” over the death of the Indian soldiers in a violent face-off along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) and conveyed her country’s “steadfast and friendly support” in a letter sent to her Indian counterpart Rajnath Singh.

India’s support for Macron also comes at a time when New Delhi’s relations with Islamabad and Ankara are at a low. Pakistani and Turkish leaders have earned India’s ire by repeatedly raising the issue of Kashmir and treatment of minorities at international forums such as the UN.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...-for-terror/story-96JQ8PiCMemPAuc8eIZnIL.html

 

[Zaz]

No surprise from someone like modi
Bjps hate of muslims shining as always

 

[Syed1]

LOL "secular" India

 

[Madplayer]

Absolutely no regard to the feelings of 220 million muslims of India. But expected from an anti-muslim communal regime.

 

[M_kor]

It's always been Islam hatred for them , Indians just played it good in the name of Pakistan . A majority of Hindu population has a problem with islam . They re very good with playing around it to keep this reality from being too explicit.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

You should always stand for free speech and expression. I am glad India is supporting France.

 

[liam26]

No reasons to support the Islamists against the French. Good job Indian Government.

 

[M_kor]

Not good.

 

[Madplayer]

You should always stand for free speech and expression. I am glad India is supporting France.

Ofcourse you being a hindu will support hindutva government's anti-muslim stance by calling it free speech while knowing well that had France displayed the caricatures of hindu gods or godesses on their govt building, the same hindutva govt would be fuming with anger including you closet sanghis pretending to be atheists lol The muslims dont expect any decency from the (closet or open) hindutva supporters anymore.

 

[Varun]

Ofcourse you being a hindu will support hindutva government's anti-muslim stance by calling it free speech while knowing well that had France displayed the caricatures of hindu gods or godesses on their govt building, the same hindutva govt would be fuming with anger including you closet sanghis pretending to be atheists lol The muslims dont expect any decency from the (closet or open) hindutva supporters anymore.

Not government buildings but that magazine has had a go at Hindu Gods several times before. And Christian and others.

Nobody got hurt.

 

[El Generico]

To show solidarity with France’s secularism , India should revoke the beef ban. In fact to show support with France projecting blasphemous images on government buildings, India should throw a state level beef party to show that religious sentiments have no place in a “secular” country.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Ofcourse you being a hindu will support hindutva government's anti-muslim stance by calling it free speech while knowing well that had France displayed the caricatures of hindu gods or godesses on their govt building, the same hindutva govt would be fuming with anger including you closet sanghis pretending to be atheists lol The muslims dont expect any decency from the (closet or open) hindutva supporters anymore.

You can fume with anger and curse back or troll back. Nobody will stop and should stop anyone using words.
The moment any physical contact is made, it becomes a crime. You cannot go and hurt or kill someone over hurt feelings and ego.

 

[M_kor]

No reasons to support the Islamists against the French. Good job Indian Government.

Ofcourse you being a hindu will support hindutva government's anti-muslim stance by calling it free speech while knowing well that had France displayed the caricatures of hindu gods or godesses on their govt building, the same hindutva govt would be fuming with anger including you closet sanghis pretending to be atheists lol The muslims dont expect any decency from the (closet or open) hindutva supporters anymore.

They all Sanghi ,they just pretend to be different but eventually it all comes out hence Ghazwa e hind is important ..let the Taliban settle down in afghan than we b partying alongside them in India

 

[Zaz]

To show solidarity with France’s secularism , India should revoke the beef ban. In fact to show support with France projecting blasphemous images on government buildings, India should throw a state level beef party to show that religious sentiments have no place in a “secular” country.

Lol well said You should be free to eat what meat you like without the fear of being lynched by a crazy hindutva mob

Show your liberal secularism india

 

[Madplayer]

Not government buildings but that magazine has had a go at Hindu Gods several times before. And Christian and others.

Nobody got hurt.

No one raised objections? I just posted a link in the other thread about the french using pictures of revered hindu godesses on bikini bottoms only to incite the fury of hindus. Now you'll mention that hindus didnt kill for it knowing well that nobody is defending the killer here. So sit down.

 

[Third_Umpire]

As opposed to...?

Supporting the jihadis who are killing people in France?
Supporting leaders from various Muslim countries who are ignoring domestic issues and getting riled up by cartoons?

If cartoons offend you, the problem is yours. Not anyone else's.

 

[Madplayer]

You can fume with anger and curse back or troll back. Nobody will stop and should stop anyone using words.
The moment any physical contact is made, it becomes a crime. You cannot go and hurt or kill someone over hurt feelings and ego.

What is this cognitive dissonance that the hindutva brigade is displaying here? Who is defending the killing and why are you repeatedly equating the raising of objections over depiction of caricatures with defending murder?

 

[Zaz]

You should always stand for free speech and expression. I am glad India is supporting France.

So when will india ok free speech and expression? How about being a tolerant, equal and just society?

 

[Mesozoic]

Good decision.

India will always be against these snowflake jihadis.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

While I generally agree with the point that it’s non negotiable to physically hurt or kill someone over a said thing, I also agree with the idea that one should refrain from hurting other’s religious sentiments. That’s not free speech. That’s hate speech. And that’s really not ok. The difficulty is that everyone has varying levels of sentimental attachments towards their religion and religious values so it’s really subjective to classify hate speech. Violence on the other hand has little currency in the western world (apart from wagging wars on the weaker/non-white/non-Christian nations) so people who use violence in the name of hurt feelings are going to find few buyers in that part of the world.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

What is this cognitive dissonance that the hindutva brigade is displaying here? Who is defending the killing and why are you repeatedly equating the raising of objections over depiction of caricatures with defending murder?

I am only defending free speech. Nothing else. Nobody should die over cartoons or words. If you have trouble handing the cartoons, don't see them.

 

[Zaz]

As opposed to...?

Supporting the jihadis who are killing people in France?
Supporting leaders from various Muslim countries who are ignoring domestic issues and getting riled up by cartoons?

If cartoons offend you, the problem is yours. Not anyone else's.

How about condemning the attack whilst also relaying the fact that muslims should not be provoked or insulted? Seeing as though there are a sizeable number of muslim citizens in your country

Or is it the fact that their thoughts and feelings dont matter

 

[BreadPakoda]

Should just stay away from all this imo.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

While I generally agree with the point that it’s non negotiable to physically hurt or kill someone over a said thing, I also agree with the idea that one should refrain from hurting other’s religious sentiments. That’s not free speech. That’s hate speech. And that’s really not ok. The difficulty is that everyone has varying levels of sentimental attachments towards their religion and religious values so it’s really subjective to classify hate speech. Violence on the other hand has little currency in the western world (apart from wagging wars on the weaker/non-white/non-Christian nations) so people who use violence in the name of hurt feelings are going to find few buyers in that part of the world.

If tomorrow Trump has followers of people who consider him as God, does it mean that Trump should be exempted from mockery? Same goes for Biden or Modi or Macron or Imran Khan.

 

[M_kor]

No reasons to support the Islamists against the French. Good job Indian Government.

Ofcourse you being a hindu will support hindutva government's anti-muslim stance by calling it free speech while knowing well that had France displayed the caricatures of hindu gods or godesses on their govt building, the same hindutva govt would be fuming with anger including you closet sanghis pretending to be atheists lol The muslims dont expect any decency from the (closet or open) hindutva supporters anymore.

If tomorrow Trump has followers of people who consider him as God, does it mean that Trump should be exempted from mockery? Same goes for Biden or Modi or Macron or Imran Khan.

Zakir Naik saying wussup? why am I not in india

 

[Zaz]

If tomorrow Trump has followers of people who consider him as God, does it mean that Trump should be exempted from mockery? Same goes for Biden or Modi or Macron or Imran Khan.

Of course If a cow is revered in india as a mother n protected why cant trump be the same n respected if his followers want to do so?

Why have a different set of rules

 

[Bigboii]

They all Sanghi ,they just pretend to be different but eventually it all comes out hence Ghazwa e hind is important ..let the Taliban settle down in afghan than we b partying alongside them in India

IA Zaid Hamid will lead us into battle against the Indians and we'll convert every Indian and make them Muslims

We will personally collect donations to send Modi, Yogi for hajj and Umrah

Ameen!

 

[El Generico]

I don’t understand why Indians are out here lecturing people when a bad Facebook post can get you killed in India.

Dalit lawyer killed over ‘anti-Brahmin’ posts in Gujarat: SIT

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...er-anti-brahmin-posts-in-gujarat-sit-6762333/



This is from last week btw, I wonder why this didn’t get much attention from the Indian government or social media users .

 

[Madplayer]

Zakir Naik saying wussup? why am I not in india

Zakir Naik once said creation of Pakistan was a mistake. Someone should ask him what he feels about that today.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

I don’t understand why Indians are out here lecturing people when a bad Facebook post can get you killed in India.

Dalit lawyer killed over ‘anti-Brahmin’ posts in Gujarat: SIT

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...er-anti-brahmin-posts-in-gujarat-sit-6762333/



This is from last week btw, I wonder why this didn’t get much attention from the Indian government or social media users .

It is terrible that the Dalit lawyer got killed. The man who killed him should get max prison sentence.

 

[M_kor]

No reasons to support the Islamists against the French. Good job Indian Government.

Ofcourse you being a hindu will support hindutva government's anti-muslim stance by calling it free speech while knowing well that had France displayed the caricatures of hindu gods or godesses on their govt building, the same hindutva govt would be fuming with anger including you closet sanghis pretending to be atheists lol The muslims dont expect any decency from the (closet or open) hindutva supporters anymore.

If tomorrow Trump has followers of people who consider him as God, does it mean that Trump should be exempted from mockery? Same goes for Biden or Modi or Macron or Imran Khan.

IA Zaid Hamid will lead us into battle against the Indians and we'll convert every Indian and make them Muslims

We will personally collect donations to send Modi, Yogi for hajj and Umrah

Ameen!

Thodha humor ooncha phainktay, seedha he haath mein pakdha thia

 

[El Generico]

It is terrible that the Dalit lawyer got killed. The man who killed him should get max prison sentence.

Did the Indian government make any comments about this? I mean if they are so concerned about extremism in France, I am sure they were shook by this act of extremism in their own yard.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

If tomorrow Trump has followers of people who consider him as God, does it mean that Trump should be exempted from mockery? Same goes for Biden or Modi or Macron or Imran Khan.

We are not in the realm of theory here. None of these people professed to have found a religion and non of them are followed religiously. So no that’s not really the same thing. Any claim contrary to that is just cognitive dissonance.

 

[Stewie]

I may be the minority here but why are we showing sympathy to these people. These are khawarij. If they conducted similar acts in Muslim countries, we would bat for their blood. We talk about TTP not being muslims. We talk about all terrorist acts conducted on Muslim countries by such fanatics as unIslamic .. why the hypocrisy now? The live in those countries and should abide by the laws of those countries.

Violence and killing should not be condoned no matter what! Yes I don’t like the tone Macron has adopted over this whole deal but let’s not lose sight of what is right and what is wrong!

 

[Lurker_Ind]

We are not in the realm of theory here. None of these people professed to have found a religion and non of them are followed religiously. So no that’s not really the same thing. Any claim contrary to that is just cognitive dissonance.

Okay. I consider Trump and Macron as God. Nobody can hurt my feelings by criticizing them.

 

[cricketjoshila]

France has stood strongly with India in the past. Its time we stand with them.

 

[M_kor]

If tomorrow Trump has followers of people who consider him as God, does it mean that Trump should be exempted from mockery? Same goes for Biden or Modi or Macron or Imran Khan.

Okay. I consider Trump and Macron as God. Nobody can hurt my feelings by criticizing them.

Oh that was easy for you man you can go that path easily , your Hindu religion allows you to do that ..how about something hard ..let's talk about your mom and sister and wife and daughter

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Oh that was easy for you man you can go that path easily , your Hindu religion allows you to do that ..how about something hard ..let's talk about your mom and sister and wife and daughter

You can say anything you want. It may be in bad taste and I can protest and say back the same stuff to you. I have said it many times, you simply cannot kill or harm someone because that person hurt or upset your ego and sentiments. Its not that difficult to understand.

 

[Zaz]

I may be the minority here but why are we showing sympathy to these people. These are khawarij. If they conducted similar acts in Muslim countries, we would bat for their blood. We talk about TTP not being muslims. We talk about all terrorist acts conducted on Muslim countries by such fanatics as unIslamic .. why the hypocrisy now? The live in those countries and should abide by the laws of those countries.

Violence and killing should not be condoned no matter what! Yes I don’t like the tone Macron has adopted over this whole deal but let’s not lose sight of what is right and what is wrong!

Whos showing sympathy and condoning the killings?

The argument here is whether macron should be using the rhetoric he has and if imran and erdogan are right on calling it out

The killings has universally been condemned on this forum and off it

 

[Zaz]

The language is because of the intent. When a country gives you a privelege to be part of their social structure over many others and your intent is to back stab them, then you will have no sympathies.

So your slating and looking down on everyone who seeks asylum because of one person?

Brilliant stuff

 

[Madplayer]

I may be the minority here but why are we showing sympathy to these people. These are khawarij. If they conducted similar acts in Muslim countries, we would bat for their blood. We talk about TTP not being muslims. We talk about all terrorist acts conducted on Muslim countries by such fanatics as unIslamic .. why the hypocrisy now? The live in those countries and should abide by the laws of those countries.

Violence and killing should not be condoned no matter what! Yes I don’t like the tone Macron has adopted over this whole deal but let’s not lose sight of what is right and what is wrong!

Nobody has condoned the killing so you're not in the minority.

 

[Zaz]

You can say anything you want. It may be in bad taste and I can protest and say back the same stuff to you. I have said it many times, you simply cannot kill or harm someone because that person hurt or upset your ego and sentiments. Its not that difficult to understand.

U keep peddling this lie that people on here r ok with he killings?

Please show me whos said this is a acceptable recourse on this forum?

The fact youve said you would say the same back goes to show their is a line that shouldnt be crossed and you would be offended by it

Thankyou

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Okay. I consider Trump and Macron as God. Nobody can hurt my feelings by criticizing them.

Apparently enough.

 

[Bigboii]

Good decision.

India will always be against these snowflake jihadis.

So whoever is against the cartoons and criticize them is a jihadi what kind of logic is that?

 

[Dingolfy]

I'm not a bigot. I never disrespect any faith or belief. But you are a bigot indeed who is trying mask his hindutva hatred for muslims under the guise of some twisted definition of freedom of speech. I've seen people like you. Ofcourse muslims are offended by the cartoons, hello, did you just crawl out from under a rock? Should they behead people for it? No. Was the response of Macron correct being the head of france and not any random individual? Absolutely not and You're defending his way of humiliating a couple of billion muslims for no crime of their by saying he was showing solidarity with the public. Are the 8 million muslims not his public who he keeps on instigating and humiliating by making provocative statements about their religion and displaying caricatures of their revered figures on govt buildings? Ofcourse you wont be able to see it because of being a muslim hating hindutva bigot yourself. Instead you will find ways to ask muslims to put up with the humiliation. You might even ask all 8 million muslims of france to find another place to live, but thats just your inherent hatred for muslims speaking. Like i said, i know your psuedo-intellectual closet hindutva types inside out.

Do you support Sanghis who beat-up Muslims and Dalits for eating beef which they consider as their God?
Just as Cow is just an animal for you and me inspite of being considered as a holy figure for millions of Hindus, your prophet is just a fictional dude for most of non-muslims. And in a secular country, everyone has the freedom to mock religion. And if a mere cartoon offends you, then you should rethink about your religion.

 

[PakPremi]

Just today Indian rtd major threatened Faiz Chauhan that in 15 days you will see what will happen in Balochistan, and India is talking about hatred for terrorism when they openly admit their part in Balochistan.

 

[Madplayer]

Do you support Sanghis who beat-up Muslims and Dalits for eating beef which they consider as their God?

No i dont. And i dont support the beheadings or hurting anyone too. Always denounced it. So sit down with your oversmartness.

Just as Cow is just an animal for you and me inspite of being considered as a holy figure for millions of Hindus, your prophet is just a fictional dude for most of non-muslims. And in a secular country, everyone has the freedom to mock religion.

India the secular country banned cow eating didnt it? So what exactly is your point here?

And if a mere cartoon offends you, then you should rethink about your religion.

Why? This statement makes no sense at all.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Apparently enough.

That is how it works according to some posters here. You cannot criticize some people because a section of them consider those people holy or higher than normal people.

 

[Kroll]

India should also at least acknowledge if not stand with its own citizens - 220+ million Indian Muslims who have shown selfless loyalty and stood with their country despite being under siege from the extremists.

Sure there is no surprise in backing Macron and there should be condemnation over the brutal killings but this is also a slap to the face these loyal citizens.

 

[Varun]

I may be the minority here but why are we showing sympathy to these people. These are khawarij. If they conducted similar acts in Muslim countries, we would bat for their blood. We talk about TTP not being muslims. We talk about all terrorist acts conducted on Muslim countries by such fanatics as unIslamic .. why the hypocrisy now? The live in those countries and should abide by the laws of those countries.

Violence and killing should not be condoned no matter what! Yes I don’t like the tone Macron has adopted over this whole deal but let’s not lose sight of what is right and what is wrong!

Yeah, folks here must really hate - in this context - the French to not be so hard on the Chechen.

 

[Dingolfy]

No i dont. And i dont support the beheadings or hurting anyone too. Always denounced it. So sit down with your oversmartness.


India the secular country banned cow eating didnt it? So what exactly is your point here?


Why? This statement makes no sense at all.

India didn’t ban beef. Few states did and that is completely against secular values. You can eat both beef and pork with alcohol in our Kerala and ain’t no Sanghi or Islamist would dare to harm you.

Just like I can eat beef who millions of Hindus consider as their God, I can draw a cartoon of your prophet or Jesus or even Modi. You can just ignore and move on.

 

[Zaz]

If the bar to provoke Muslims is cartoons, that's a pretty low bar. The onus is on Muslims to not get provoked by such things and turn into rabid, murdering animals.

Is that supposed to be an insult because in some third world countries rabid animals are revered Not sure where tho

Like the sanghis in india that lynch people transporting cows around?

 

[Varun]

Hindus get offended by Muslims eating cow in their country, animal that is happily eaten world over, do you not think that is pretty low bar, especially when this was not much of issue before.

I eat beef. There's the cow belt where some folks have a problem, but not the rest of us.

 

[Dingolfy]

Hindus get offended by Muslims eating cow in their country, animal that is happily eaten world over, do you not think that is pretty low bar, especially when this was not much of issue before.

Those Hindus who get offended by beef-eating are the same as those Muslims who get offended by a mere cartoon.

 

[Madplayer]

India didn’t ban beef. Few states did and that is completely against secular values. You can eat both beef and pork with alcohol in our Kerala and ain’t no Sanghi or Islamist would dare to harm you.

Did India not ban cow slaughter for consumption across India?
Beef could be buffalo as well. Nice try.

Just like I can eat beef who millions of Hindus consider as their God, I can draw a cartoon of your prophet or Jesus or even Modi. You can just ignore and move on.

No i wont ignore it because it is highly offensive to me and i will try to stop or discourage you in every non-violent way possible and i will be relentless till you understand how much your actions hurt me. I will never allow you to draw the line for me just like you dont want me to draw a line for you.

 

[Third_Umpire]

Is that supposed to be an insult because in some third world countries rabid animals are revered Not sure where tho

Like the sanghis in india that lynch people transporting cows around?

I'm not Indian bro, in case you're going for that angle. It's not an insult, in fact a rabid animal may not even behave like some outraged Muslims do, going around stabbing/beheading people.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

That is how it works according to some posters here. You cannot criticize some people because a section of them consider those people holy or higher than normal people.

I think you are just pretending to not know the difference between religions and cults.

 

[Dingolfy]

Did India not ban cow slaughter for consumption across India?
Beef could be buffalo as well. Nice try.


No i wont ignore it because it is highly offensive to me and i will try to stop or discourage you in every non-violent way possible and i will be relentless till you understand how much your actions hurt me. I will never allow you to draw the line for me just like you dont want me to draw a line for you.

LOL. Dude, cow or buffalo makes no difference to us Keralites. And there is no cow slaughter ban in Kerala. Even BJP members promise availability of good beef in our state to win votes.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/newsab...ive-halal-meat-bjp-candidates-offer-to-voters

And eating beef offends millions of Hindus but still you support Muslims doing it because it doesn't matter to you. Similiarly, your prophet aint no big deal to billions of us and we will continue to draw cartoons and make fun of religion as it is a right of every free-thinking citizen in a secular country.

 

[Kroll]

LOL. Dude, cow or buffalo makes no difference to us Keralites. And there is no cow slaughter ban in Kerala. Even BJP members promise availability of good beef in our state to win votes.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/newsab...ive-halal-meat-bjp-candidates-offer-to-voters

And eating beef offends millions of Hindus but still you support Muslims doing it because it doesn't matter to you. Similiarly, your prophet aint no big deal to billions of us and we will continue to draw cartoons and make fun of religion as it is a right of every free-thinking citizen in a secular country.

You see the the thing is, not only are these cartoons, but highly offensive ones and the perpetrators know full well its going to draw a backlash but still engage in this profuse provocation.

Going back to the previous sentence, saying its offensive is not even an accurate reflection because you are striking at the core of people's fundamental beliefs and something that is beloved to their hearts.

Why can't people just live and let live?

 

[Itachi]

You see the the thing is, not only are these cartoons, but highly offensive ones and the perpetrators know full well its going to draw a backlash but still engage in this profuse provocation.

Going back to the previous sentence, saying its offensive is not even an accurate reflection because you are striking at the core of people's fundamental beliefs and something that is beloved to their hearts.

Why can't people just live and let live?

Lets take that into action.

Will you stop eating beef because people eating beef is offensive to me?

 

[Lurker_Ind]

I think you are just pretending to not know the difference between religions and cults.

They are same. One has more followers than the other.

 

[El Generico]

Lets take that into action.

Will you stop eating beef because people eating beef is offensive to me?

Him and 99.99% of people who eat beef don’t do it to offend Hindus or you. While the sole purpose of these cartoons is to offend. How can you not see the difference between the two? Other than to cause offense , can you think of another reason for these cartoons?

 

[Varun]

Him and 99.99% of people who eat beef don’t do it to offend Hindus or you. While the sole purpose of these cartoons is to offend. How can you not see the difference between the two? Other than to cause offense , can you think of another reason for these cartoons?

The real reason is to make money by selling more copies of the magazine, offending a group of people is just a transit to reach there.

 

[Itachi]

Him and 99.99% of people who eat beef don’t do it to offend Hindus or you. While the sole purpose of these cartoons is to offend. How can you not see the difference between the two? Other than to cause offense , can you think of another reason for these cartoons?

I am not talking about others. I don't know what intentions are from others.

My question is simple. Eating beef is fundamentally offensive to me. Will you stop eating beef hence?

 

[Madplayer]

LOL. Dude, cow or buffalo makes no difference to us Keralites. And there is no cow slaughter ban in Kerala. Even BJP members promise availability of good beef in our state to win votes.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/newsab...ive-halal-meat-bjp-candidates-offer-to-voters

Why are you lying through your teeth about the cow meat ban? If you and your politicians are not following laws made by your country that doesnt mean the law doesnt exist. A simple google search will tell you this:

"On 26 May 2017, the Ministry of Environment of the Government of India led by Bharatiya Janata Party imposed a ban on the sale and purchase of cattle for slaughter at animal markets across India, under Prevention of Cruelty to Animals statutes"

And eating beef offends millions of Hindus but still you support Muslims doing it because it doesn't matter to you. Similiarly, your prophet aint no big deal to billions of us and we will continue to draw cartoons and make fun of religion as it is a right of every free-thinking citizen in a secular country.

If you think it is your "right" (dont know who gave this right to you) for you to offend religions and insult revered figures, do it to your own gods and godesses and your fathers and mothers and sisters. Make their vulgar cartoons and display them in public for everyone to see in order to satisfy this fetish of yours. Dont drag people who respect themselves and their faith into your obscene fantasies. It is not very hard to understand why you should leave people alone who dont want to be a part of your "free-thinking" circus which really is just euphemism for being uncouth and uncultured.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Modi can never really be seen as supporting Macron until there is a Charlie Hebdo type of magazine operating out of India which are prepared to show obscene images of hindu gods and kings being compromised in all sorts of ways. If he really wanted to rubber stamp his support of Macron, then he would project these images onto public govt buildings. In reality this is just a high five with Macron to indicate he doesn't like Muslims or their religion.

 

[Madplayer]

I am not talking about others. I don't know what intentions are from others.

My question is simple. Eating beef is fundamentally offensive to me. Will you stop eating beef hence?

I will eat it in a place where you dont see me eating it because i understand that it hurts you. I will not make a video of it and project it on a government building to offend people like you.

 

[El Generico]

I am not talking about others. I don't know what intentions are from others.

My question is simple. Eating beef is fundamentally offensive to me. Will you stop eating beef hence?

No because eating beef has nothing to with you. Although I won’t eat beef in front or if you are around because I wouldn’t want to hurt you. My dad had a Hindu friend and whenever he visited we never made beef even for ourselves cause thats just common courtesy. It might shock you but most normal people don’t get pleasure by hurting people’s religious sentiments.

Anyways comparing beef with these cartoons makes no sense. Eating beef is something all cultures have and do 99.99% of the time it has nothing to do with Hinduism. While the cartoons only exist to provoke.

The beef comparison could have made sense if Muslims were outraged by someone drinking alcohol or eating pork.

 

[Itachi]

I will eat it in a place where you dont see me eating it because i understand that it hurts you. I will not make a video of it and project it on a government building to offend people like you.

Its same as saying, even though I know that sleeping with another girl will hurt my gf, but I will still do it though discreetly so that she doesn't know about it and there by doesn't get hurt.

How does that make correct?

You are doing it regardless of what my feelings will be. Hiding doesn't make it anything better.

 

[El Generico]

The real reason is to make money by selling more copies of the magazine, offending a group of people is just a transit to reach there.

Agree but like you said they use hate and offense as a means to get that money. While a person selling beef likely doesn’t do it to spread hate. I highly doubt that there is a farm anywhere in the world that sells beef solely because they think it hurts Hindu sentiments.

Comparing beef with these cartoons is nonsensical.

 

[Itachi]

No because eating beef has nothing to with you. Although I won’t eat beef in front or if you are around because I wouldn’t want to hurt you. My dad had a Hindu friend and whenever he visited we never made beef even for ourselves cause thats just common courtesy. It might shock you but most normal people don’t get pleasure by hurting people’s religious sentiments.

Anyways comparing beef with these cartoons makes no sense. Eating beef is something all cultures have and do 99.99% of the time it has nothing to do with Hinduism. While the cartoons only exist to provoke.

The beef comparison could have made sense if Muslims were outraged by someone drinking alcohol or eating pork.

Its individual who chooses what his/her fundamental beliefs are. For some, beef eating could be fundamentally wrong.

If you want someone NOT to hurt your fundamental beliefs, but still you are doing it discreetly.

You want others to not to intervene in your beliefs but you are intervening in others.

How is that right?

 

[globalcitizen]

U keep peddling this lie that people on here r ok with he killings?

Please show me whos said this is a acceptable recourse on this forum?

The fact youve said you would say the same back goes to show their is a line that shouldnt be crossed and you would be offended by it

Thankyou

Neither india is supporting violence by showing support to France.
it’s the leaders like Imran and Erdogan who have not yet given out any statement on this after the violence. That is shameful on all levels and one can see their thought process

 

[Varun]

Agree but like you said they use hate and offense as a means to get that money. While a person selling beef likely doesn’t do it to spread hate. I highly doubt that there is a farm anywhere in the world that sells beef solely because they think it hurts Hindu sentiments.

Comparing beef with these cartoons is nonsensical.

I agree. I myself eat beef and anybody from the cow belt who has a problem should get a life.

 

[El Generico]

Its individual who chooses what his/her fundamental beliefs are. For some, beef eating could be fundamentally wrong.

If you want someone NOT to hurt your fundamental beliefs, but still you are doing it discreetly.

You want others to not to intervene in your beliefs but you are intervening in others.

How is that right?

So if I eat beef in my house or at a restaurant , it would hurt someone’s religious sentiments? How does that even make sense? I will repeat this for one last time this, beef isn’t about hurting Hindus while the only reason the cartoons are made is to offend Muslims. How do you not see the difference?

 

[Madplayer]

Its same as saying, even though I know that sleeping with another girl will hurt my gf, but I will still do it though discreetly so that she doesn't know about it and there by doesn't get hurt.

How does that make correct?

You are doing it regardless of what my feelings will be. Hiding doesn't make it anything better.

That's a wrong parallel. Comparing apples to oranges. Thats my short answer to it.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Agree but like you said they use hate and offense as a means to get that money. While a person selling beef likely doesn’t do it to spread hate. I highly doubt that there is a farm anywhere in the world that sells beef solely because they think it hurts Hindu sentiments.

Comparing beef with these cartoons is nonsensical.

Neither are us hindus asking for beef ban in other countries. But where we are in majority and it hurts our religious sentiments, then there must be a beef ban. Those states like kerala and north east where they don't have an issue, are free to do what they want. In north indian states where it causes us pain of the heart ( as Imran says pain of the heart is the most painful), there should be beef ban. There must be a line drawn where our tolerance ends and our rights begin.

 

[El Generico]

Neither are us hindus asking for beef ban in other countries. But where we are in majority and it hurts our religious sentiments, then there must be a beef ban. Those states like kerala and north east where they don't have an issue, are free to do what they want. In north indian states where it causes us pain of the heart ( as Imran says pain of the heart is the most painful), there should be been ban. There must be a line drawn where our tolerance ends and our rights begin.

Sure I have no problem with the beef ban in India, I think it’s understandable. Just don’t lynch people for eating beef though.

 

[Itachi]

So if I eat beef in my house or at a restaurant , it would hurt someone’s religious sentiments? How does that even make sense? I will repeat this for one last time this, beef isn’t about hurting Hindus while the only reason the cartoons are made is to offend Muslims. How do you not see the difference?

Because end result is same.

By eating beef, you are hurting sentiments of many people.

By drawing prophet, it did hurt sentiment of Muslims.

The criteria that comes in is, jurisdiction.

Your house, what happened inside your house, is mostly under your jurisdiction. This is the reason why you can make an argument that, if I eat inside my house, what's your problem?

But it opens a pandoras box. The legal system of France doesn't recognize the drawing as offensive under its jurisdiction. So if a French individual, institution will do whatever it wants under legal framework of France.

One should understand your jurisdiction but for you it's unfair when you have to recognize jurisdiction of another entity.

How is it correct?

 

[Itachi]

That's a wrong parallel. Comparing apples to oranges. Thats my short answer to it.

How is it wrong parallel?

Its about respecting each others fundamental beliefs, emotions and not to hurt each other.

You demand that I shouldn't hurt your emotions but on the other hand, you are intentionally choosing to hurt mine.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Modi can never really be seen as supporting Macron until there is a Charlie Hebdo type of magazine operating out of India which are prepared to show obscene images of hindu gods and kings being compromised in all sorts of ways. If he really wanted to rubber stamp his support of Macron, then he would project these images onto public govt buildings. In reality this is just a high five with Macron to indicate he doesn't like Muslims or their religion.

If charlie hebdo published such cartoons of the prophet pbuh in India, they would be prosecuted under 295A of IPC. Thats our law

In France they can publish such cartoons under FOE. Thats their law.

Modi or India isnt going to poke its nose into how one governs its own country. Hence the support to France for their right to govern themselves with their own laws.